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Davidx23Davidx23 BrisbaneTotal Reaction Points: 18Member
edited January 2013 in Other Migration Topic Posts: 209
Hello sa lahat. Congrats nga pala sa mga naging citizen nung Australia Day 26/1/2013. Si TotoyOZresident, I think citizen na, congrats pre.

So last saturday, nakuha ko na yung citizenship certificate. Mixed feelings kasi after 5 years nakuha ko na rin yung citizenship. My wife was not able to attend the ceremony at the brisbane convention centre kasi na-stranded sa Rockhampton gawa ng ulan, kaya dissapointed, hintay ulit para sa next batch ng oath taking. Ngayon, ang dilema, should I renounce, take dual citizenship, what do you think?

Thanks.
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  • nylram_1981nylram_1981 SydneyTotal Reaction Points: 4Member
    Posts: 255
    na-discuss ito sa cfo seminar. wala naman akong makitang disadvantage if magigi kang dual citizen. more of advantage pa nga kasi you can still invest here sa pinas.

    ako i plan to have dual citizenship when that come arrives kasi meron akong mga maiiwang investment dito sa pinas pag alis namin (stock market, equity funds, etc). bka mamaya magka-problema pa ako sa pag-claim later on pag di na ako filipino citizen.
    MAIN Applicant: ME - 262113 Systems Administrator, Jan2012 / IELTS: Proficient
    Secondary: Husband - 312211 Civil Engr Draftsperson, Mar2011 / IELTS: Competent
    Apr 16 2012 - Received rejection letter from NSW :(
    Aug 15 2012 - SA SS approval :)
    Aug 26 2012 - Lodge visa 190 application
    Oct 06 2012 - CO allocation (Team 33, gsm.brisbane, VL)
    Oct 30 2012 - Job verification by AU embassy in Manila
    Oct 31 2012 - Finish line! :) VISA GRANT
    Feb 20 2013 - Flight to Sydney, tourista mode muna :)
    Mar 04 2013 - Flight to Adelaide
    Thank u lord :)
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  • Davidx23Davidx23 BrisbaneTotal Reaction Points: 18Member
    edited January 2013 Posts: 209
    Kung sa bagay may hinihintay din akong maturity pero 9 yrs to wait pa. Pero malalaman ba nila na hindi ka na pinoy lalo na kung valid naman yung birth certificate mu or ipakita mu yung SSS id mu. Hindi kasi ako nag CFO seminar, hindi pa uso ito nung nag PR ako. Pero, ok na suggestion yan, investment at iwas aberya.

    Thanks nylram_1981.
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  • lock_code2004lock_code2004 PerthTotal Reaction Points: 257Member, Moderator
    Posts: 5,037
    wala din naman po yatang masyadong hassle pag-apply ng dual citizenship sa Phil Embassy-AU.. Simple lang din ang requirements..Old passport, BC, Copy Cert of Citizenship.. 90Aud..

    so give it a try... tapos balitaan nyo kmi sir!..
    Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
    Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
    May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
    June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
    Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
    Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
    July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
    Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
    Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company.. ;)
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  • Davidx23Davidx23 BrisbaneTotal Reaction Points: 18Member
    Posts: 209
    @lock_code2004
    Kaya ka ba mag-aapply sa embassy dahil automatic renounce na yung fil citizenship mu? 90AUD, lahat na lang pagkakakitaan. :) Thanks, I will think about it.
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  • nylram_1981nylram_1981 SydneyTotal Reaction Points: 4Member
    Posts: 255
    @Davidx23 makikita nila kung OZ passport na pi-present mo..hehe pero other than that wala naman silang way para malaman.

    as discuss din dun sa cfo, if u plan to buy real estate here sa pinas (lote or condo) better keep ur filipino citizenship. foreigners are not allowed to own real estate dito sa pinas.

    tama si @lockcode parang hassle free naman ang pag apply sa dual citizenship. ganyan din ung diniscuss sa cfo parang simply go the nearest phil embassy lng with the requirements & fee tapos i-issuehan ka na ulit nila ng phil passport. hehe
    MAIN Applicant: ME - 262113 Systems Administrator, Jan2012 / IELTS: Proficient
    Secondary: Husband - 312211 Civil Engr Draftsperson, Mar2011 / IELTS: Competent
    Apr 16 2012 - Received rejection letter from NSW :(
    Aug 15 2012 - SA SS approval :)
    Aug 26 2012 - Lodge visa 190 application
    Oct 06 2012 - CO allocation (Team 33, gsm.brisbane, VL)
    Oct 30 2012 - Job verification by AU embassy in Manila
    Oct 31 2012 - Finish line! :) VISA GRANT
    Feb 20 2013 - Flight to Sydney, tourista mode muna :)
    Mar 04 2013 - Flight to Adelaide
    Thank u lord :)
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  • lock_code2004lock_code2004 PerthTotal Reaction Points: 257Member, Moderator
    Posts: 5,037
    @Davidx23 - yup, ganun din ang pagka-intindi ko.. automatic renounce once you acquire another citizenship...

    http://www.philembassy.org.au/dual-citizenship/19-requirements.html
    Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
    Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
    May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
    June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
    Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
    Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
    July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
    Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
    Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company.. ;)
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  • lock_code2004lock_code2004 PerthTotal Reaction Points: 257Member, Moderator
    edited January 2013 Posts: 5,037
    napabasa tuloy ako... hehe..

    here are some interesting facts about Republic Act No. 9225: Citizenship Retention and Re-acquisition Act of 2003

    if you re-acquired your Philippine Citizenship (dual citizenship)
    - you will be able to vote
    - you can run for gov't office
    - you can be appointed to a govt office
    - you can acquire land, properties and business/es
    - you can re-enter, reside or retire permanently in the Phils
    - you only need to pay tax/es for incomes earned in the Phils
    - as long as you reside permanently overseas, you & dependents are exempted from travel travel tax (just like OFWs)
    Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
    Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
    May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
    June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
    Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
    Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
    July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
    Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
    Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company.. ;)
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  • Davidx23Davidx23 BrisbaneTotal Reaction Points: 18Member
    Posts: 209
    Salamat sa summary lock_code2004. While magandang mag-retire sa pinas kasi mura, ang problema yung medical facilities, wala akong tiwala. At least you can re-acquire dual citizenship anytime, walang time limit.

    Ang problema lang siguro pag dual eh pag ginera tayo ng tsina dahil sa spratly tapos nagbabakasyon ako sa pinas, auto enlist ako nun kasi nag rotc pa naman ako. Hehe.
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  • MetaformMetaform MelbourneTotal Reaction Points: 10Member
    Posts: 505
    Ano ang mangyayari sa real estate properties ng mga nag-decide na Hindi mag-dual citizenship?
    CO and Visa Grant: 9 Oct 2012
    The beginning of the rest of our lives: January 4, 2013
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  • TotoyOZresidentTotoyOZresident Total Reaction Points: 141Member, Moderator
    Posts: 1,329
    Hello sa lahat. Congrats nga pala sa mga naging citizen nung Australia Day 26/1/2013. Si TotoyOZresident, I think citizen na, congrats pre.

    So last saturday, nakuha ko na yung citizenship certificate. Mixed feelings kasi after 5 years nakuha ko na rin yung citizenship. My wife was not able to attend the ceremony at the brisbane convention centre kasi na-stranded sa Rockhampton gawa ng ulan, kaya dissapointed, hintay ulit para sa next batch ng oath taking. Ngayon, ang dilema, should I renounce, take dual citizenship, what do you think?

    Thanks.
    Hi wala pa ako letter for my schedule of citizenship ceremony. Malamang baka on March 2013 "Canberra day centenial (100 years)" Once you attend Citizenship ceremony yun ang first day ng pagka Australian citizen mo.

    Mag dual citizen din ako allowed naman sa batas ng Australia at wala naman babayaran ng tax sa Pinas unless kung may properties.

    Its your personal choice.

    Congrats...

    cheers..
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  • Davidx23Davidx23 BrisbaneTotal Reaction Points: 18Member
    Posts: 209
    @TotoyOZresident
    I see, October ka pala nag-apply. Kami nung June kami nag-apply tapos July kami nag-exam, then October namin natanggap yung approval. Hassle lang at maghihintay ulit kami para i-resched yung oath taking ng wife ko sa next available batch.

    Wala naman kaming real-estate sa pinas, unless thru inheritance or whatnot. We'll cross the bridge when we get there na lang muna...

    Salamat sa lahat sa mga inputs.
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  • nylram_1981nylram_1981 SydneyTotal Reaction Points: 4Member
    Posts: 255
    Ano ang mangyayari sa real estate properties ng mga nag-decide na Hindi mag-dual citizenship?
    wala naman cguro. para lang ito sa mga mag-iinvest pa lng.
    MAIN Applicant: ME - 262113 Systems Administrator, Jan2012 / IELTS: Proficient
    Secondary: Husband - 312211 Civil Engr Draftsperson, Mar2011 / IELTS: Competent
    Apr 16 2012 - Received rejection letter from NSW :(
    Aug 15 2012 - SA SS approval :)
    Aug 26 2012 - Lodge visa 190 application
    Oct 06 2012 - CO allocation (Team 33, gsm.brisbane, VL)
    Oct 30 2012 - Job verification by AU embassy in Manila
    Oct 31 2012 - Finish line! :) VISA GRANT
    Feb 20 2013 - Flight to Sydney, tourista mode muna :)
    Mar 04 2013 - Flight to Adelaide
    Thank u lord :)
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  • TasBurrfootTasBurrfoot OsakaTotal Reaction Points: 261Member, Moderator
    Posts: 4,297
    How does it go ba after you acquire Australian Citizenship - how do you lose you Filipino Citizenship?. Meron bang renouncing?

    If wala kasi then technically, dual citizen ka immediately noh? Then when your passport expires, you just renew it as per normal.

    I know I may be missing something here please bear with me and educate me... :)

    TA!
    Primary Applicant: Wife
    Accountant (General): 221111

    04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
    07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
    17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
    24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
    25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
    25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
    30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
    01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
    20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
    23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
    05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
    06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
    03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
    03 Jun 2013 - started work
    12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
    15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
    29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
    20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
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  • BigfootBigfoot BrisbaneTotal Reaction Points: 5applymembership
    Posts: 91
    Hi guys,

    This is for additional information for our fellow pinoys who are thinking of renouncing their citizenship in favor of a new one.

    Kindly note that former Pinoys who have acquired new citizenship are entitled to own land in the Philippines subject to a few restrictions. For a brief summary, refer to the link below:
    http://www.philippine-embassy.org.sg/useful-information/land-ownership/

    Cheers!
    18 Nov 2012 - IELTS Academic Exam (L-8.5; R-8.5; W-7; S-8; OBS-8)
    19 Feb 2013 - General Accountant Assessment - Not suitable (Accounting Theory)
    12 Mar 2013 - Assessment Review - Not suitable (Accounting Theory)
    Change ANZSCO to External Auditor - CPA Australia
    15 Apr 2013 - External Auditor Assessment - Suitable
    19 Apr 2013 - Lodged EOI
    05 May 2013 - Invitation to Apply for Visa (189)
    08 May 2013 - Visa application and acknowledgement
    16 May 2013 - Medicals Exam
    23 May 2013 - NBI Clearance
    31 May 2013 - CO allocated Brisbane GSM Team 31
    23 July 2013 - Singapore COC submitted
    24 July 2013 - Visa Approved (IED 20 May 2014)
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  • Davidx23Davidx23 BrisbaneTotal Reaction Points: 18Member
    Posts: 209
    @psychoboy
    Opinion lang: I think it's more of the oath or plege of loyalty. Once you make that pledge to an appointed official of the government, you are committing yourself to the laws and practices of Australia. This pledge automatically renounce your original citizenship. Plus, wala namang batas na nagbabawal ng dual citizenship pero kailangan formalised. Kaya may procedures ang dual citizenship sa phil embassy. If not, you are probably committing some sort of false identity pag nag-apply ka ng phil passport without going through the dual citizenship procedure.
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  • LokiJrLokiJr Quezon CityTotal Reaction Points: 24Member, Moderator
    Posts: 2,616
    Sir why are you thinking about renouncing your citizenship? :)

    I think the best consideration to the matter is that having dual citizenship gives you options in the future...For all we know, Philippines might become the next Singapore; while Australia slips back to oblivion (I certainly hope not)...best of both worlds, now and in the future ika nga



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  • TasBurrfootTasBurrfoot OsakaTotal Reaction Points: 261Member, Moderator
    Posts: 4,297
    Sir why are you thinking about renouncing your citizenship? :)

    I think the best consideration to the matter is that having dual citizenship gives you options in the future...For all we know, Philippines might become the next Singapore; while Australia slips back to oblivion (I certainly hope not)...best of both worlds, now and in the future ika nga
    @LokiJr - Philippines to become the next Singapore will never happen... :) ahahaha!! to become more developed than the current state is a possibility though.

    Sorry OT!!
    Primary Applicant: Wife
    Accountant (General): 221111

    04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
    07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
    17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
    24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
    25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
    25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
    30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
    01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
    20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
    23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
    05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
    06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
    03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
    03 Jun 2013 - started work
    12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
    15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
    29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
    20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
    cholle
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  • LokiJrLokiJr Quezon CityTotal Reaction Points: 24Member, Moderator
    Posts: 2,616
    @psychoboy that's what we thought about China 20 years ago too...pero hindi na natin paabutin sa debate ito hehe....There are so many things to hate about our country, but we're performing very well in the past few years...if we outperform our peers consistently in....two decades or so...darating din tayo sa level ng Singapore. Just being hopeful hehe..

    Conversely can be said about Australia...it's one of the best performing developed country, but as Treasurer Wayne Swan admitted, Australia is not recession-proof...

    So to get back to the topic...dual is cool. May option ka kung saan magreretire, at mabibigyan mo rin ng option ang mga anak mo. hehe



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  • TasBurrfootTasBurrfoot OsakaTotal Reaction Points: 261Member, Moderator
    Posts: 4,297
    @psychoboy that's what we thought about China 20 years ago too...pero hindi na natin paabutin sa debate ito hehe....There are so many things to hate about our country, but we're performing very well in the past few years...if we outperform our peers consistently in....two decades or so...darating din tayo sa level ng Singapore. Just being hopeful hehe..

    Conversely can be said about Australia...it's one of the best performing developed country, but as Treasurer Wayne Swan admitted, Australia is not recession-proof...

    So to get back to the topic...dual is cool. May option ka kung saan magreretire, at mabibigyan mo rin ng option ang mga anak mo. hehe
    Yup, let's rest the case pafs! ;)
    Primary Applicant: Wife
    Accountant (General): 221111

    04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
    07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
    17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
    24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
    25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
    25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
    30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
    01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
    20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
    23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
    05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
    06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
    03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
    03 Jun 2013 - started work
    12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
    15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
    29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
    20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
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  • lock_code2004lock_code2004 PerthTotal Reaction Points: 257Member, Moderator
    Posts: 5,037
    How does it go ba after you acquire Australian Citizenship - how do you lose you Filipino Citizenship?. Meron bang renouncing?

    If wala kasi then technically, dual citizen ka immediately noh? Then when your passport expires, you just renew it as per normal.

    I know I may be missing something here please bear with me and educate me... :)

    TA!
    based sa nabasa ko... automatic daw ito.. once you have acquired citizenship from another country, you lose (automatically) your Philippine citizenship..
    that is why you need to apply for dual citizenship..

    But i think hindi naman nila malalaman, assuming you still have your valid PH passport..
    i'm not sure how it works: example:
    - you leave AU, using AU passport
    - you enter Phils, using PH passport

    lol.. ;)
    Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
    Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
    May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
    June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
    Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
    Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
    July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
    Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
    Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company.. ;)
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