Student vs PR help!

jjenniefer

hi mga kabayan. I need help

I'm in the process in deciding on what VISA should I get going sa Australia.

I'm torn between Student and PR(Visa 189 or any)

Start palang po ako but I need a path so that I could prepare the requirements and money. Nagrereview pa po ako for IELTS.

Here are my worries; I hope you could help me.

Student VISA

Although advantage yung price ng visa na around PhP20k-PhP25k; i felt na magastos at the end of the day
Tuition fee for Masteral Courses are expensive
Earning a little money since I could only work part time

*advantage: Processing time is faster and cheaper

Visa amount is Expensive - around Php100k
more documents/requirements needed
expenses for Assessment

*Advantage: Can earn so much since I'll have unlimited work hours

I will really appreciate all info that you will give. thank you!

agentKams

Hi, i have done the student route and if you have the points to get an invitation for PR visa, i suggest do the PR visa. one time lang ang expenses mo sa PR visa, unlike sa student visa it will take 1-2 years ka matatapos, and eventually magaapply ka din ng PR visa. Tuition cost for master's is $11k/term up depende sa uni, compare sa PR visa expense na $8k-9k max single payment.

jjenniefer

@agentKams thank you po

I'm worried lang s PR kasi po Hospitality Managment major in Tourism yung course ko BUT all of my work experience di related dun. Mostly Admin and Customer service po.

Sa skill set po the only occupation na medyo malapit s work exp is the Customer Service Manager.

I'm worried n baka madeny since d connected yung course ko sa jobs ko. thanks!!!

jjenniefer

@agentKams by the way, I also checked s eligible skilled occupations, Customer Service Manager can only avail subclass 186 and 457. I dont know po if paano yung gagawin ko if ever ayun po yung process ko

RheaMARN1171933

I did the studen visa route myself many years ago when it was much easier pa. now, I'm a registered migration agent and coming from both my personal experience and professional view, I won't recommend a student visa as a pathway. It's a long and expensive route with no assurance of a PR.

On the other hand, the occupation you mentioned requires a managerial position. If you are not in that level, it will also not be a successful application.

maguero

@jjenniefer 457 visa is a temporary work visa. You can only apply for this if you have a job offer. Your occupation is eligible for 190 and 489 visa based on this list https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/work/work/skills-assessment-and-assessing-authorities/skilled-occupations-lists/combined-stsol-mltssl

Check Vetassess for the requirement to be positively assessed for that occupation. Some occupations don't require a related course but Vetassess will deduct several years of experience instead. In my case, they deducted 3 years. If they require managerial level experience then you should be at that level for several years already.

jjenniefer

@RheaMARN1171933 thank you po sa advise nyo. if magcompute nga po ng tuition fees and personal expenses mukhang dinpo ideal yung student visa for me lalo na since limited lang budget ko 🙂 ano pa po kayang pwede n visa option ko? yun pa lang po kasi yung mga alam ko na visa. I don't know pa yung mga visa n pwede ko gawin

jjenniefer

@maguero @RheaMARN1171933 di po managerial position mga job exps. ko. Ano pa po kaya options ko? ayoko rn po irisk n mag papa-assess ako tapos there is big chance n madeny since d enough yung work experiences ko. Would you know ano pa yung dapat kong iexplore na option? with a limited budget rin 🙁 ayoko rin sana igive up yung dream ko to go to Australia kaya I really need help. Wala rin po kaming mga relative n makakatulong kaya I'm on my own

maguero

@jjenniefer Hindi rin ako sigurado sa alternatives kasi sa pagkakaalam ko, kung gusto mag-apply under skilled migration kailangan may positive assessment sa occupation na nakalista either sa MLTSSL or STSOL. Tapos sa temporary work visa 457 kailangan nasa listahan din yung occupation mo.

May nabasa ako dito na nakakakuha ng positive assessment maski new grad, so zero or less than 1 year work experience. Why don't you check kung may occupation na tugma sa course na tinapos mo and then research mo kung possible makakuha ng positive assessment kahit zero or minimal work experience.

Ang last alternative na naiisip ko student visa. Pero ang alam ko magastos yun and hindi naman lahat nagiging PR.

jjenniefer

@maguero thank you po.

Dun po ako actually nahihirapan. Wala po sa list yung occupation ko. kaya po naging option ko sana if ever student visa. but it's too expensive for me (tuition and living exp)

I'm trying to apply via Seek po but medyo bihira po ang magssponsor n company if you're still in PH. but everyday po I'm checking po. Thanky you po s mga information. I'll check po cguro more on sponsored job. Baka po maswertehan at mkakita ng sponsor.

jjenniefer

@agentKams @maguero @RheaMARN1171933 hello po. sorry another question po. I saw sa STSOL na list yung Company Secretary (221211). qualified po for 190/489 visa

I have an Admin Assistant job experience po kasi. Napaisip po kasi ako dun s advise nyo na possible na malapit d nga naging work experience kahit hindi sakto. if magbawas ng experience Ok lang rn po siguro. bawiin ko nalang s IELTS. tama po ba?

chococrinkle

@jjenniefer. I checked company secretary at anzsco search and it is eligible for state sponsorship in south australia (provided you get 85 pts) and tasmania. Pls check also the job description of company secretary and make sure it matches the job description indicated in your coe.

https://www.anzscosearch.com/search/

Eto yung description sa anzsco:

UNIT GROUP 2212 AUDITORS, COMPANY SECRETARIES AND CORPORATE TREASURERS

AUDITORS, COMPANY SECRETARIES AND CORPORATE TREASURERS conduct audits of accounting systems, procedures and financial statements, manage corporate funding and financial risk, and administer and review corporate compliance activities.

Indicative Skill Level:

In Australia and New Zealand:

Most occupations in this unit group have a level of skill commensurate with a bachelor degree or higher qualification. In some instances relevant experience and/or on-the-job training may be required in addition to the formal qualification. In the case of Corporate Treasurers and Company Secretaries, at least five years of relevant experience may substitute for the formal qualification (ANZSCO Skill Level 1)

221211 COMPANY SECRETARY

Plans, administers and reviews corporate compliance activities and effective practice concerning company board meetings and shareholdings, ensuring all business matters and transactions are managed and implemented as directed by the board.

Skill Level: 1

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/215756F62118D7E6CA2575DF002DA794?opendocument

jjenniefer

@chococrinkle thank you for a very detailed information. I still need to research further pa talaga. Still not familiar with the whole process. I think medyo maliit parin chances ko base sa description. I dont think even magdeduct ng years sa work experiences ko, it wouldnt be enough 🙁 🙁 🙁 Baka 1 year lang matira sa 5yrs ko 🙁 iba pa naman Bachelors degree ko

chococrinkle

@jjenniefer Yes research talaga is the key to be successful esp if you will not have an agent. Nag calculate ka na ba ng possible points? Lets say if you cannot claim points s work experience how many points do you have now? Is your experience related to a company secretary within the last 5 years? If ever can you provide a coe na you can give the details of your job descrition na almost the same sa description ng company secretary? If both questions are yes, and you can get at least 60 points baka pwede ka sa tasmania. You may read thru their website to check eligibility reqs for 489 state spOnsorship. Take note dati di sila open pag walang job offer but now they did kaya if you think you will qualify grab the chance na as migration rules change very fast. God bless you on your application.

athelene

@jjenniefer I suppose the pathway to choose depends on how soon you want to move to Australia and what job/occupation you want to do once you get there. Considering your current work experience in admin and customer service, it might be a little challenging (in my opinion lang ha) for you to migrate with that occupation right now because it's not management level.

Going for the student route is popular because it's a good way to upskill (increase/upgrade your skill set) towards the occupation you want (and working part-time--hopefully in the same industry as your studies--would help you in gaining local work experience). Meanwhile, directly applying for PR visa requires a solid work experience in the job you want to do (and is in demand) in Australia, as well as a lot of money and preparation (skills assessment, visa fee, etc).

Is it your long-term plan to work in the admin/customer service industry? Or are you planning to use your work experience to migrate first then change industry after getting PR?

Do you think with your current profile, you can make the best application possible for PR? Or do you think having Australian qualifications might improve your odds of getting that PR visa?

If you intend to continue with the admin/customer service path, I'd recommend you take the student route, perhaps a degree in management or business, then find a managerial job. Then you can nominate a management-level occupation when you apply for PR. The student route is actually more expensive and time-consuming than applying directly for a PR visa, but if you can score a scholarship from the university (VET schools don't have that many scholarship options, but most unis do), you have one less thing to worry about when it comes to expenses. Since you're still in the research stage, look for universities that offer the course you want and the scholarships available. Seriously, in comparison to the UK, US, and Canada, I feel that Australia offers a lot more scholarships than other countries. You just need to be diligent in looking for scholarship opportunities. 🙂

MLBS

Hi guys I'm also under the same dilemma. Applied for 189, 489 and 190 pero no luck yet sa invites. I'm planning to take a Cert IV and diploma course on Work health and safety so that I can get the 5 pts for AU study requirement. My fallback is my bachelor's degree in electronics engg na nasa MLTSSL. My long term plan is take the 2 yrs AU study requirement, so in 2 yrs, 70 pts na ako (+5 sa age as well as sa study). Any insights dito guys? Thanks!

<blockquote class="Quote" rel="RheaMARN1171933">I did the studen visa route myself many years ago when it was much easier pa. now, I'm a registered migration agent and coming from both my personal experience and professional view, I won't recommend a student visa as a pathway. It's a long and expensive route with no assurance of a PR.

On the other hand, the occupation you mentioned requires a managerial position. If you are not in that level, it will also not be a successful application.</blockquote>

athelene

@MLBS Is that Work, Health and Safety diploma very related to your nominated occupation? If so, that might be a good option. The bachelor's degree would take you 3 years, that's an extra year of tuition fee and time when you only need 2 years to fulfill the AU study. You can choose between the vocational course or a master's degree, both of which usually take 2 years to finish.

The certificate+diploma path is more economical in terms of fees, but getting a master's degree would get you the Post-Study Work Visa valid for 2 years (if you decide to gain Australian work experience first before reapplying for PR visa, and that's an additional 5 points).

MLBS

I think so kasi it leans on safety in industries such as mining, factories, etc. Kahit di ko makuha yung graduate work visa (the visa applicable for diploma courses) ok lang saken e, kasi I think 70 pts is high enough to be invited. Plus it's cheaper hehe.

I'm sitting at 60 palang due to my age. Pero I'm still thinking of this option until July. Pag wala pa ako invite by then, I'll start applying na.

athelene

@MLBS I see. Well, as long as magagamit mo sya sa future jobs, go lang. 🙂 Yeah, definitely cheaper ang vocational. 70 points is ok naman, but I think if you can get more points than that, you'd have a higher and faster chance of getting ITA (just saying hehe). What I know is that if you lodge your 189/190 visa, during your waiting period, BVA (bridging visa A) will kick in, and your work rights as a student (20 hours per week) will get carried over. Whereas if you get a 485 visa first, then apply for 189/190 visa, you'd have full/unli work rights while waiting for your PR visa grant. Matagal-tagal din ang 9-12 months na processing time ng 189/190 visa ah.

MLBS

@athelene Ah there's a bridging pala after studies? How long naman siya valid? 485 visa kasi hindi ko alam kun ano ang criteria nila that the course I will study is 'closely related' sa occupation e. Do you have any idea how to prove that? Thanks