Singapore VS Australia VS Canada VS Pinas

icebreaker1928

@Admin ok naman boss.. try nyo budget sir, ito ginamit namin papuntang canberra.

https://www.budget.com.au/ pde may driver or pde wala kung isa sa inyo magdadrive.

Admin

thanks bossing ice. silipin ko. 🙂

orengoreng

haay, bakit ba ako pumunta ng Australia. Ang taas ng cost of living dito sobrang mahal ng rent, sobrang taas ng tax, pamasahe, grocery at pahirapan din kumuha ng work. ang boring pa, kaunti lang ang mga stores at pag dating ng 5 sarado na karamihan. kung alam ko lang, sana d na ako nagapply sana tinuloy ko na lang ang Canada

xiaolico

@orengoreng bad move ba? Saan Ka sa au?

thegreatiam15

<blockquote class="Quote" rel="orengoreng">haay, bakit ba ako pumunta ng Australia. Ang taas ng cost of living dito sobrang mahal ng rent, sobrang taas ng tax, pamasahe, grocery at pahirapan din kumuha ng work. ang boring pa, kaunti lang ang mga stores at pag dating ng 5 sarado na karamihan. kung alam ko lang, sana d na ako nagapply sana tinuloy ko na lang ang Canada</blockquote>

Weird tong bagay na to para saken haha

ngayon lang ako nakakita nang ganitong comment dito sa OZ

orengoreng

@xiaolico Sydney ako. Hindi pa siguro ako totally immerse sa culture dito sa AU. Pero one thing I observed, AU is not US. Mas inclined sila sa UK pati english, iba ang english madami sila term na sa kanila lang at pinapashortcut nila kaloka minsan. If you have family, maybe you would like AU pero stay away from Sydney coz owning a house here is ridiculous. Mapapaisip ka how did that old house cost 700K to 1M yun ang Sydney. Siguro maybe I always compare AU to US na you can afford to buy branded items at clearance price pero dito sobra mahal at bihira magsale. Ang hirap din maghanap ng work madami na rin siguro competition kahit casual I thought going here in PR visa can landed me a parttime or casual work for the mean time while searching for the real professional job pero it wasn't easy ang dami applicants and most company will opted to choose those with local experience even on casual position. It is frustrating I am only speaking based on my experience. Others may not have the same opinion as mine. But this is AU as I see it, mataas din ang tax dito mataas ang cost of living pero sabi ni laidback daw. I don't know how laidback could it be based on the job you will be getting into.

xiaolico

@orengoreng this is compared sa US? How about compared sa pinas? Or you didn't stay long sa pinas?

orengoreng

@xiaolico i even compared it to pinas din. narealized ko na ive only gotten away from the busy and hussle traffic in manila pero i miss everything my family and all that i can buy in manila lalo na yun filipino food. dito seldom you can see filipino restaurant and ang mahal din ng tinda ng filipino goods syempre imported tapos yun jollibee nakakamiss sobra wala nun dito, a kilo of shrimp is $24 kaya kumain na kayo ng marami seafood sa pinas. i can even eat at mcdonalds for 50 pesos dito $8 those simple things you took for granted mapapaisip ka ang mura pala ng bilihin sa pinas. well, it all depends on your priority if you have decided to settle here you would know the pros and cons.

orengoreng

@xiaolico to be fair, the pros i see it here in AU is that it is nearer to PH than being in US or CA at may cebupscific that can take you back to PH pag may promo fare for less amount. pero going anywhere from AU to any parts of the world like Japan, US, Europe would really slash a big amount in your pocket siguro daan ka muna ng pinas to take the to your destination. If you plan to go on a trip in NZ, mas mura ang airfare. you have a medicard in AU but you still have to queue for service and many are getting private health insurance due to the govt will subject you to higher levy under medicard alone so parang even lang with medicard and private insurance. Au standard wage is around 20$ or higher pero companies are not restricted to give lesser of that min wage pwede $15 d ko rin gets bakit ganun. laidback at malinis ang hangin dito pero sira ang ozone layer kaya better to get a good sunblock.

xiaolico

@orengoreng thanks for sharing. Uuwi ka pinas? Or will you try to settles somewhere else? Wala

Pa naman akong pr visa. Waiting pa, pero for sure I will try my luck there if I will be granted a pr visa

orengoreng

@xiaolico ill definitely go back to pinas after getting citizenship sa AU at makapagipon para sa investment papadual ako para may back door from PH or try in other country kung kaya pa ng powers ko to start all over again if not then stay in PH for investment. if only we have efficient govt id rsther stay pero need to prepare for the future kaya im taking risk. but then to each is own, you might see something here that i dont see.

xiaolico

@orengoreng thanks. I gave up,Na din on our government. Am thinking it's better to raise children there good luck sa yo. Hope you find what you are looking for

thegreatiam15

<blockquote class="Quote" rel="orengoreng">@xiaolico i even compared it to pinas din. narealized ko na ive only gotten away from the busy and hussle traffic in manila pero i miss everything my family and all that i can buy in manila lalo na yun filipino food. dito seldom you can see filipino restaurant and ang mahal din ng tinda ng filipino goods syempre imported tapos yun jollibee nakakamiss sobra wala nun dito, a kilo of shrimp is $24 kaya kumain na kayo ng marami seafood sa pinas. i can even eat at mcdonalds for 50 pesos dito $8 those simple things you took for granted mapapaisip ka ang mura pala ng bilihin sa pinas. well, it all depends on your priority if you have decided to settle here you would know the pros and cons.</blockquote>

ang take ko diyan well if you have not been to SG then dun mo makikita ang tunay na na nature nang competition sa market na pinapasok mo.

figure this may 1 month ka to find a work at sa isang work ang kalaban mo 100 applicants tapos itatry mo ifigure out papaano ka magstandout sa lahat nakita ko lahat nang success at failures nang mga kapwa ko pinoy sa SG kaya mas privileged tayo dahil andito tayo sa OZ.

only to realise di mo makukuha yung work try again or maybe lose your 30 days visit visa tapos balik ka sa pinas. (exit ka to another asean country) goodluck sa language barrier na mas matindi kesa sa nakagisnan mong english.

kung feeling mo mas mahirap dito sa OZ maghanap nang trabaho maybe you should rethink your strategy kase i have seen far worse competitive nature sa SG kesa dito sa OZ.

laid back ang work ko considering nasa construction industry ako at nakita ko sa ACS mo software engineer ka. supposedly nakaupo lang kayo sa office doing your thing. sa kaso ko hindi ganoon pero sa SG umuuwe kame nang 1 - 2am matapos lang mga construction drawings namen. >> araw araw to bihira sa isang linggo uuwe kayo on time imaginin mo nalang to.

laidback ang work ko dito kasi hindi nangyayari yan tapos every friday may inuman kame at get together may mga activities din like bushwalking, wall climbing at kung ano ano pang events etc.

so I don't know bakit mo naeexperience to, plus salary wise mas ok salary ko dito kumpara sa SG na tadtad nang workload.

about sa TAX? this is by far the most far fetched reasoning tungkol sa tax. kung natataasan kayo kumpara sa pinas imaginin mo kaltas nan gkaltas sayo sa pinas kada kinsenas tapos hindi mo maramdaman improvement sa atin.

mantala SG na 2% grabe naman ang infrastructure bakit satin hindi ganoon?

dito sa australia fair lang yun kasi papaano ung ikaw naman yung nasa stiwasyon nang mga taong yun malamang govt din tutulong sayo.

consider mo na healthcare at medicare wala kame binayaran naospital anak ko.

xiaolico

@thegreatiam15 Kanya kanya Lang siguro talaga. I have been to SG, ok din pero parang impossible or it will take a really long time to get their citizenship. 2nd most powerful passport pa naman sila. I've been to US. For ok siya na vacation place. Preference Lang, I wouldn't like settling there. I can't explain eh, medyo I don't think I would be happy there. Kaya eto will try if suwertehin sa AU. And based on comments of my friends, okay daw diyan. Plus if it doesn't work, I think yung pr visa will allow you to work and live sa NZ

orengoreng

@thegreatiam15 First dont compare AU and SG on job searching coz in SG you came under temporary pass while in AU you were granted with permanent resident. Obviously, mas may edge yun may PR visa coz they're not bound to time limits to find work and settle in. But I just want to point out na even you have PR visa in AU that doesn't make the situation favorable for you the competition is as tight as it could be in SG. Hindi parin ganun kadali makahanap ng work at kaabundant ang job workforce like I read from some comments here, I knew some taken a year to find a work, others were 6 months, 4 months maswerte na yun a month nakakita na agad. One reason making it hard to find work in AU is the presence of middle agency. Most of the job posted in seek are handled by recruiter. If you can get direct to company better but mostly its in the hands of the recruiter if you are up for a face to face interview. This is mostly the case in IT I don't know about other profession.

Second, I got to have my own share of stressful life in IT pero don't say na we just sit there doing our thing kasi inaabot din kami ng madaling araw to complete and make the code working on top of everyday scrum meetings. We even had to go to work on weekends and holidays if needed. Dealing with technology and platforms, that sometimes we don't have any idea how to do but we need to so mega research and reading. Maybe it's the reason I was push to go to AU kasi laidback daw. Yes it's true that there are jobs here that is laidback you go to work at 8am-4pm others have more time for their family. Pero in IT, yes you can go home early nobody is telling you to stay late but we still do work at home pag malapit na ang deadline.

And last I want to point out, mataas ang tax dito sa AU highest cost of living compared to other country like US, Canada. Going back to PH, syempre wala talaga serbisyo ang govt doon tapos mataas din ang tax. Sa tax kinukuha ng govt ng AU ang benepisyo sa medicare, and that doesn't mean wala ka binayaran sa ospital ng anak mo makes it free. Mas mataas ang tax ng mga walang private healthcard. I don't know if you are satisfied with the public care pero in my observation mas magaling pa ang mga doktor sa pinas rather than going to GP here. May it be in pinas or AU you may need good specialist doctors and you need to pay for the service kaya take good care of your health it's your wealth.

As I said, to each is own it may work for you but may not work for me. The price of housing and commodities here on top of higher tax and being late in some trend is what pushing me away. But if you find laidback lifestyle here and it works for you then good and fine. But for me iba parin ang saya sa Pinas deadma na lang sa mga inefficiency basta I got good savings here and bring it home.

xiaolico

@orengoreng so wait, you don't like it there, pero you are staying there? Tas you still want to get your citizenship there? Sorry I don't mean to be disrespectful, but doesn't that conclude, your life is better dahil nandiyan ka? It may not be happier, but it's better? In terms of sacrifice reward ratio, safe conclusion ba na sulit pa din ang punta mo diyan despite all of your problems there?

orengoreng

@xiaolico why not make the most out of it nandito na ako why not get the citizenship if it can be a passport for other opportunity outside AU. The reason I dont like it here is the high price of everything. It's impossible to own a house in Sydney forever rent malaki portion ng sweldo napupunta doon add the other expenses like food, utilities and transpo. Mali lang siguro ako ng expectation na in AU mataas ang per hour nila which is mataas din ang cost of living at tax. let say you get 5K salary per month, deduct ang tax and superannual magiging 3K plus na lang, like my friends told me mas malaki parin daw ang sweldo sa SG or if i would think about it hindi rin naman pala ganun kalaki ang savings compared kung magwowork sa PH as IT professional. But then sabi nila the laidback life is what they are here for pero how laidback could it be, depende rin.

If better for you is, not dealing with traffic and yun laidback na 6 pm sarado na mostly ang mga store. family oriented nga sila if that's what you called pero nabored ako sa ganun lalo na wala naman kami masyado kamaganak dito. Safety wise I dont feel safe walking at night alone may snatching din na nagaganap dito lalo na sa blacktown. This is just based on my experience as I said iba yun sayo iba yun sakin.

xiaolico

@orengoreng that ka. First time I've hear of a negative feedback kasi. And it's actually good. Syempre it's better to look at all angles. To good and the bad. I'm still looking for someone na pag sinabi ayaw diyan, yung uuwi ng pinas. When you say make the most out of it, that means, well for me ha, you're still getting something better there kaysa sa pinas. If it's really bad kasi, Di biro yung citizenship. 5yrs ata diyan to get it. Like for me, Di ko kinaya yung US. 6 months, I went back home. Never mind getting a citizenship. Di sulit for me. I guess diyan, sulit pa din. Thanks again and good luck

orengoreng

@xiaolico 4 years lang ang citizenship dito pero make it more than 4.5 years dahil magaasikaso ka pa ng papers oauth taking. Talaga uwi kaagad pag hindi nagustuhan hindi ba pwede magsacrifice muna kasi malaki rin yun binayad ko sa immigration. Tsaka yun citizenship can make me eligible to work in US or Canada for 2 years or NZ and Europe. I wonder why you give up living in the US in that short span of 6 months PR ka ba doon? Baka lang you give up too quick din dito considering mas malaki ang market ng US kesa AU at entertainment wise nandoon lahat. But then it's only you who can tell how long can you stay here based on your priority good luck.

xiaolico

@orengoreng ok 4.5. Ang haba pa din nun. I guess yung sacrifice reward nga. It wasn't worth it for me. Medyo malungkot and I didn't like the people that much. I was on a work visa. I think yung pr visa sa AU and lahat ng gastos would be around 400k. Am not sure na, I try to forget about it hehe. Pero yeah, if I feel it's not worth it, bawiin ko Lang or kahit close to 400k, uwi ako ng pinas. Di pa naman ako approved and of course there's a chance of being rejected. I have seen all the reasons if given a chance why I should try this. I haven't seen any reason why I should. I do consider everything you said. I am grateful. And I really do hope your sacrifices just to get that passport will be worth it

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