Engineers Australia Skills Assessment

stihlce12

read through the manual and you'll see how EA will assess your relevant working experience. go to section C 2.4

thanks Sir.

EM27

@mhonbernal said:

@EM27 said:
Hi, ECE graduate po ako, hindi po ako licensed ECE. Tatanong ko lang po sana kung may naassess po ba dito from sec 3 school as Professional Engineer na hindi rin po licensed?
Thank you
San po kayo ng wowork ngayon? if overseas employed kayo need po ng certifications ng governing body dyan na certified kayo to work as Engineer. if sa pinas po need tlga ng PRC license to be assessed by EA.

Hi Sir, sa Smart po ako nagwowork ngayon. With 4 years experience (2 years sa agency 2 as regular employee). PRC license po ba need ko kung sakali?

stihlce12

I am revisiting and rephrased my question, theres still a doubt and confusion been running on my head, such a question regarding how to claim the points from my working experience. As explain to yours previously.

I got a total 8 years of experience (5 years site civil engr + 3 years QS) but the question is how to successfully claim this working experience?
My understanding that Engineer Australia can assess your degree qualification and skill through Standard CDR. (Let say i will write my CDR from my 5 years CE experience with supp doc) However how about other remaining experience?
Is the 5 years experience that I demonstrated in CDR could award 5 years experience by EA?
Do i need to engage additional service such RSEA from EA to assess the remaining work experience? or this addtl service can assess all my work experience?
Is there’s other way to claim all 8 years experience without the additional service.? I hope you guys can help me on above clarification.

iambellasenorita

@silverbullet said:

@rodmarsantoalla10 said:

@silverbullet said:

@jovelyn said:

@zekemadr said:

@EmpiMix12 said:

Hi sir, pwde pahelp ako? Civil Engineer din ako.

Shoot your questions here so we can help other civil engineers with the same question. I'm happy to answer it with the best of my knowledge.

@zekemadr baka may sample po kayong CDR for civil engineer pang reference lng po sana. salamat po in advance

Heto po email ko : jove_patricio@yahoo.com

Nag padala na po ako ng sample cdr na meron ako para a civil. hehe good luck to.

sir baka po pwede din magpasend ng sample CDR for CE. Salamat po. rodmarsantoalla10@gmail.com
Will send to tonight sir ! Paalala po, huwag po ito gayahin, gawin lamang po itong gabay sa inyo pag susulat.

Hi! Just taking my chance...if you could also please share a CDR for civil engineer just for reference? Please email to iambellasenorita@gmail.com. Thanks so much in advance.

ememumali

Hi! Would like to ask if anyone here po na Piping Stress Engineer din? Badly need help regarding CDR lang po. Thank you so much 🙂

EngrCyAlex

March 2020 pa din po ba latest booklet ni EA po? Thanks.

stihlce12

Hi Po, meron po ba d2 nkakalaam if meron bang agency na may service to assist client of creating CDR for MSA?

RheaMARN1171933

@stihlce12 said:
Hi Po, meron po ba d2 nkakalaam if meron bang agency na may service to assist client of creating CDR for MSA?

As an agent, won’t recommend it.

3K_bella

Hi fellow engineers, just cross posting here. Basically civil in general ang experience ko, so applying for 233211 - Civil Engineer. But I have different roles like sa project management, execution, proposal/bidding, quantity surveying, warranty stage, etc, all of those are part of my job as CE. Im just confused kasi yung sa ANZSCO may separate na quantity surveyor, construction project manager, civil engineer, etc. Planning to put my experience as bid project manager sa career episode ko. Would that be okay? or that falls under construction project manager? Under kasi dun yung tender and contract bids. Thank you in advance.

stihlce12

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@stihlce12 said:
Hi Po, meron po ba d2 nkakalaam if meron bang agency na may service to assist client of creating CDR for MSA?
As an agent, won’t recommend it.

Hi RheaMarn,

Let me rephrase my inquiry, actually am looking for an agent (if there is) to assist to check my drafted CDR. basically I created my CDR just looking for any agent to go thru on it, check as per their experiences to ensure be in order and accordance to EA. is this kind service is existing ?

stihlce12

@3K_bella said:
Hi fellow engineers, just cross posting here. Basically civil in general ang experience ko, so applying for 233211 - Civil Engineer. But I have different roles like sa project management, execution, proposal/bidding, quantity surveying, warranty stage, etc, all of those are part of my job as CE. Im just confused kasi yung sa ANZSCO may separate na quantity surveyor, construction project manager, civil engineer, etc. Planning to put my experience as bid project manager sa career episode ko. Would that be okay? or that falls under construction project manager? Under kasi dun yung tender and contract bids. Thank you in advance.

Hi Bella, i think we have similar case. i am CE with site operation experience and now QS working. If I refer to ANZSCO, QS in within the unit group of CE professional. thus, our QS experience are related to Civil Engineer. Creating CDR with our QS experience is quite complex because you have to ensure that the content shall comply with CE prof competency element (MSA Booklet). so as long u can correlate the QS work in CE competency then could be fine. I saw sample in the internet a QS CDR

3K_bella

@stihlce12 said:

@3K_bella said:
Hi fellow engineers, just cross posting here. Basically civil in general ang experience ko, so applying for 233211 - Civil Engineer. But I have different roles like sa project management, execution, proposal/bidding, quantity surveying, warranty stage, etc, all of those are part of my job as CE. Im just confused kasi yung sa ANZSCO may separate na quantity surveyor, construction project manager, civil engineer, etc. Planning to put my experience as bid project manager sa career episode ko. Would that be okay? or that falls under construction project manager? Under kasi dun yung tender and contract bids. Thank you in advance.

Hi Bella, i think we have similar case. i am CE with site operation experience and now QS working. If I refer to ANZSCO, QS in within the unit group of CE professional. thus, our QS experience are related to Civil Engineer. Creating CDR with our QS experience is quite complex because you have to ensure that the content shall comply with CE prof competency element (MSA Booklet). so as long u can correlate the QS work in CE competency then could be fine. I saw sample in the internet a QS CDR

Hi @stihlce12. Thank you for your comment. Yeah I think that's what's confusing kasi broad ang range ng civil engineer. If I just have to look sa general role description of professional engineer sa MSA, I think pasok naman but if I have to look at ANZSCO medyo nagdoubt ako kasi "plans, designs, organises and oversees" not sure where does tender/bid process fall on that. But will try to associate that experience sa professional engineer competency elements. Otherwise, I have to think another career episode.

stihlce12

then could be fine. I saw sample in the internet a QS CDR

Hi @stihlce12. Thank you for your comment. Yeah I think that's what's confusing kasi broad ang range ng civil engineer. If I just have to look sa general role description of professional engineer sa MSA, I think pasok naman but if I have to look at ANZSCO medyo nagdoubt ako kasi "plans, designs, organises and oversees" not sure where does tender/bid process fall on that. But will try to associate that experience sa professional engineer competency elements. Otherwise, I have to think another career episode.

Hi Bella, no problem the least that i could help. base din d2 sa thread n to just stick on MSA Booklet, nka describe nmn don how u should demonstrate your competency. somehow, per our experiences it could be correlate. mag DIY kaba? Me, already drafted the content of my CDR inihimay himay ko pa..

3K_bella

@stihlce12 said:
then could be fine. I saw sample in the internet a QS CDR

Hi @stihlce12. Thank you for your comment. Yeah I think that's what's confusing kasi broad ang range ng civil engineer. If I just have to look sa general role description of professional engineer sa MSA, I think pasok naman but if I have to look at ANZSCO medyo nagdoubt ako kasi "plans, designs, organises and oversees" not sure where does tender/bid process fall on that. But will try to associate that experience sa professional engineer competency elements. Otherwise, I have to think another career episode.
Hi Bella, no problem the least that i could help. base din d2 sa thread n to just stick on MSA Booklet, nka describe nmn don how u should demonstrate your competency. somehow, per our experiences it could be correlate. mag DIY kaba? Me, already drafted the content of my CDR inihimay himay ko pa..
@stihlce12 I have an agent pero I'm still considering anong okay na career episode and ilalagay ko. Drafting the first part is the hardest. :smiley: Good luck to your EA skill assessment!

toyotafx

My suggestion on creating a CDR is, pick projects that will showcase engineering competencies based on the MSA guidelines for PEs, EAs, and ETs. You then align what you did in those projects to your ANZSCO occupation. Some occupations might be broad, but the general idea is, if the primary role or occupation that you are demonstrating in your CDR fits how ANZSCO described it, doesn't matter if you tick one or two or all of how the occupation is described. As long as the engineering competencies are filled in the CDR according to the MSA and the some (not all) description of that occupation in ANZSCO is met, then you should be okay.

Don't use CDR writing services. The risk is far greater than the reward.

RheaMARN1171933

@toyotafx said:
My suggestion on creating a CDR is, pick projects that will showcase engineering competencies based on the MSA guidelines for PEs, EAs, and ETs. You then align what you did in those projects to your ANZSCO occupation. Some occupations might be broad, but the general idea is, if the primary role or occupation that you are demonstrating in your CDR fits how ANZSCO described it, doesn't matter if you tick one or two or all of how the occupation is described. As long as the engineering competencies are filled in the CDR according to the MSA and the some (not all) description of that occupation in ANZSCO is met, then you should be okay.

Don't use CDR writing services. The risk is far greater than the reward.

@toyotafx said:
My suggestion on creating a CDR is, pick projects that will showcase engineering competencies based on the MSA guidelines for PEs, EAs, and ETs. You then align what you did in those projects to your ANZSCO occupation. Some occupations might be broad, but the general idea is, if the primary role or occupation that you are demonstrating in your CDR fits how ANZSCO described it, doesn't matter if you tick one or two or all of how the occupation is described. As long as the engineering competencies are filled in the CDR according to the MSA and the some (not all) description of that occupation in ANZSCO is met, then you should be okay.

Don't use CDR writing services. The risk is far greater than the reward.

You’re definitely in the right track. ANZSCO myst be used as reference. Cannot stress enough to not use writing services. It’s your career and work experience which no one else can know better than yourself. To be honest we’ve never assisted clients with the content of their CDR as engineering is not our scope of expertise. Also, we encourage clients to write and use their own words as it is unethical for us to do this for them - that’s altering data on their behalf. What we do is we guide them on the technical side, if it meets the format and requirements. I’ve always believe that if one is able to obtain an engineering degree, one is capable to write the CDR. We have been using such approach since day 1 and we’ve not so far had negative outcome on skills assessments for EA. This goes to show, there is definitely no need to hire any writing services.

3K_bella

@stihlce12 said:
then could be fine. I saw sample in the internet a QS CDR

Hi @stihlce12. Thank you for your comment. Yeah I think that's what's confusing kasi broad ang range ng civil engineer. If I just have to look sa general role description of professional engineer sa MSA, I think pasok naman but if I have to look at ANZSCO medyo nagdoubt ako kasi "plans, designs, organises and oversees" not sure where does tender/bid process fall on that. But will try to associate that experience sa professional engineer competency elements. Otherwise, I have to think another career episode.
Hi Bella, no problem the least that i could help. base din d2 sa thread n to just stick on MSA Booklet, nka describe nmn don how u should demonstrate your competency. somehow, per our experiences it could be correlate. mag DIY kaba? Me, already drafted the content of my CDR inihimay himay ko pa..
Sorry @stihlce12 , just want to clarify, were you talking about an agent to check on your CDR? What I meant of agent is the agent to assist me in whole application process from EOI to lodging the visa application (if invited). For my CDR, I will do everything by myself and I guess part of my agent's job is to check all the documents I'll submit for my EOI and that includes my CDR...to give advice, perhaps. But not sure if there's an agent who could only do the checking of CDR.

stihlce12

You’re definitely in the right track. ANZSCO myst be used as reference. Cannot stress enough to not use writing services. It’s your career and work experience which no one else can know better than yourself. To be honest we’ve never assisted clients with the content of their CDR as engineering is not our scope of expertise. Also, we encourage clients to write and use their own words as it is unethical for us to do this for them - that’s altering data on their behalf. What we do is we guide them on the technical side, if it meets the format and requirements. I’ve always believe that if one is able to obtain an engineering degree, one is capable to write the CDR. We have been using such approach since day 1 and we’ve not so far had negative outcome on skills assessments for EA. This goes to show, there is definitely no need to hire any writing services.

Hi Rhea, you said that "we guided on technical side if it meets to format and requirements" these service is within package from the whole migration consultancy? no such thing exclusive service for checking only the CDR or assisting client for EA skill assessment?

Scofield

Ngayon ko lang nalaman may ganitong forum pala. Medyo nakakapagod din magbasa sa dami pero worth it. Haha. I plan to submit my documents sa EA for assessment. Hinihintay ko nalang yun delivery ng English translation ng diploma ko at need ko pa rin magrequest ng COE sa employer ko. Isa lang employer ko kasi dun na ko na-hire after graduation. Okay lang ba yun COE eh standard format ng company? I tried kasi to draft yun content ng COE (with chronological listing ng mga projects I worked on and inilagay ko rin yun specific na ginawa) at yun sana yun gusto kong ipasa para mag-match din sa CDR ko.

RheaMARN1171933

@stihlce12 said:

You’re definitely in the right track. ANZSCO myst be used as reference. Cannot stress enough to not use writing services. It’s your career and work experience which no one else can know better than yourself. To be honest we’ve never assisted clients with the content of their CDR as engineering is not our scope of expertise. Also, we encourage clients to write and use their own words as it is unethical for us to do this for them - that’s altering data on their behalf. What we do is we guide them on the technical side, if it meets the format and requirements. I’ve always believe that if one is able to obtain an engineering degree, one is capable to write the CDR. We have been using such approach since day 1 and we’ve not so far had negative outcome on skills assessments for EA. This goes to show, there is definitely no need to hire any writing services.
Hi Rhea, you said that "we guided on technical side if it meets to format and requirements" these service is within package from the whole migration consultancy? no such thing exclusive service for checking only the CDR or assisting client for EA skill assessment?
That’s the actual skills assessment assistance. If you’re expecting an agent or staff to write your CDR, definitely not something we do. We guide them to make sure they meet all the requirements and submit a decision ready application. Don’t expect any agent to be all of a sudden knowledgeable with the engineering side of things - you’ll never find one. No agent can ever check the content of your CDR. That’s your expertise. Just to be clear, CDR isn’t the skills assessment, that’s only part of the skills assessment.

What happens is if client sends us their CDR, we will browse through it. I read through it. There are occasions when I read very vague statements so I just tell the client to expound on what he/she’s trying to say on that section to address the requirement. Also, if I think the client didn’t address what was required, I will provide my feedback. That’s the most we can do. I cannot tell the client what exactly he/she should write in there. I’m not exactly sure what you expect when you refer to “checking the CDR”

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