How do you 'compete' without 'local' experience?

wizardofOz

@pinoykiwi_inOZ thanks abisuhan ko yung mga contact ko pala hehe

yung isang friend-former boss ko taga Sydney, pero yung 2 outside Oz kasi..

pinoykiwi_inOZ

@vhoythoy, the are not so fussy when it comes to referees. Seldom they will ask your immediate manager or your current manager. They understand that you are looking for new position so they will not ask for managers.

rolly04

sa singapore ako nanggaling kaya yung dalawang boss ko sa singapore yung binigay kong referees. and yes, my prospective employer then (now my employer) really called them. kaya dapat talaga you advise your referees beforehand.

IslanderndCity

@pinoykiwi_inOZ @rolly04 curius lang, kasi I never put char references sa CV ko. do you mean employer will specifically ask like "give me 1 char ref from company A, 1 from company B, & 1 from company C for example. ganoon po?

Andoy31

<blockquote rel="IslanderndCity">@pinoykiwi_inOZ @rolly04 curius lang, kasi I never put char references sa CV ko. do you mean employer will specifically ask like "give me 1 char ref from company A, 1 from company B, & 1 from company C for example. ganoon po?</blockquote>

Ang nilalagay ko - references available upon request

Kse later stages na ng employment process ang character references.

1st interview -hr

2nd interview-hiring manager

3rd -4th 5th -- depende sa company

If everything is ok then saka ka hihingan ng references. Option mo kung sino ibibigay mo, normally they'll require a colleague and a boss 🙂

vhoythoy

Mas ok yan kasi baka mamaya ilaglag ka<blockquote rel="Andoy31"><blockquote rel="IslanderndCity">@pinoykiwi_inOZ @rolly04 curius lang, kasi I never put char references sa CV ko. do you mean employer will specifically ask like "give me 1 char ref from company A, 1 from company B, & 1 from company C for example. ganoon po?</blockquote>

Ang nilalagay ko - references available upon request

Kse later stages na ng employment process ang character references.

1st interview -hr

2nd interview-hiring manager

3rd -4th 5th -- depende sa company

If everything is ok then saka ka hihingan ng references. Option mo kung sino ibibigay mo, normally they'll require a colleague and a boss 🙂

</blockquote>

Ok naman ung mga previous colleague at boss ko before, not sure ako dito sa current boss lols

IslanderndCity

<blockquote rel="vhoythoy">Mas ok yan kasi baka mamaya ilaglag ka<blockquote rel="Andoy31"><blockquote rel="IslanderndCity">@pinoykiwi_inOZ @rolly04 curius lang, kasi I never put char references sa CV ko. do you mean employer will specifically ask like "give me 1 char ref from company A, 1 from company B, & 1 from company C for example. ganoon po?</blockquote>

Ang nilalagay ko - references available upon request

Kse later stages na ng employment process ang character references.

1st interview -hr

2nd interview-hiring manager

3rd -4th 5th -- depende sa company

If everything is ok then saka ka hihingan ng references. Option mo kung sino ibibigay mo, normally they'll require a colleague and a boss 🙂

</blockquote>

Ok naman ung mga previous colleague at boss ko before, not sure ako dito sa current boss lols</blockquote>

panahon na pala ngayon na ipag-timpla mo ng masarap na kapi si boss mo. baka sa latest employer ang gustong magiging char reference ni Australian prospect employer natin @vhoythoy 🙂

pinoykiwi_inOZ

Normally twice lang ang interview dito (in IT) not sure with other fields. First one will be getting to know the applicant, the second is the make or break, mas malaki ang chance na mahire pag hiningi ang referees mo. Kasi at this stage 2 or 3 people lang ang pinagpipilian according to HR managers that I asked. Also, mas maganda if all of your referees will give a positive feedback. Kahit hindi immediate supervisor mo ok lang sa kanila unless they requested it.

wizardofOz

Hi @pinoykiwi_inOZ SOP ba sa Oz na humihungi at tinatawagan lagi yung referees.. or may companies na ihhire ka na lang agad after a few interviews, even for professional-level positions.

pinoykiwi_inOZ

<blockquote rel="wizardofOz">Hi @pinoykiwi_inOZ SOP ba sa Oz na humihungi at tinatawagan lagi yung referees.. or may companies na ihhire ka na lang agad after a few interviews, even for professional-level positions.</blockquote>

@wizardofOz, Not sure if there are companies that will hire you without calling or emailing your referees. In my experience tinatawagan talaga nila kahit na saan pa yung referees mo. Pag hindi nila na reach yung referees mo few of the will inform you that they can't hold on to the person you gave them so they might ask another referees but some of head hunters might consider other applicant's that has referees available and you miss the job offer. So kailangan talagang abisuhan mo yung nga referees mo na saguting ang calls or emails.

wizardofOz

Ah thanks for that info @pinoykiwi_inOZ another question, is it also the same in Oz that initially, we will not list down the referees in the CV we will send out and just state "available upon request"... or should we just write it down?

Also, ang tricky pala ng referees, for example, I don't expect to land an engineering job right away, so I just thought for example I will be applying for a blue-collar job or maybe as an office worker (e.g clerk, admin assistant) then the referees I will provide are Engineering Directors.. parang dapat mag-match din yung referees sa job I am applying for, otherwise baka isipin over-qualified ako

pinoykiwi_inOZ

@WizardofOz, kung opinion mo tatanungin mo. I won't write "available upon request" because that is not the aussie format. Its either you write the referees or don't write the Character reference in your CV. All companies, head hunters will require referees anyway. At kung nagsimula ka ng mag apply some head hunters will asked you to filled out some forms may section for references/referees dun mo pwedeng ilagay yung mga taong kabatak mo na magbibigay sayo ng magandang reference sa mga dati mong work.

They won't judge you as over/under qualified ka in the position that your applying with the referees you provided. They are asking who was your work etiquette in your previous job, do you get along with people in your team, company. How's your well you speak or understand english. Ang dreaded question palaging sinabi sa kin ng mga referees ko is "Is there anyting you want to say that doesn't covered by the questions or surveys that we ask that might affect this application. Of course dapat sagutin nila ito hindi lang dapat NO ang answer. Sabi ng mga puti loaded question ito. This might make or break kung ihihire ka.

All the best in your job haunting. Dapat may section tayo na FAQ job interview questions para mapaghandaan ng ibang tao dito sa forum na nag aapply ng work sa OZ.

rolly04

May nabasa akong article na huwag ilagay sa resume "references available upon request".

So just omit the Character References section of your resume pag ayaw mong maglagay ng specific names ng references.

Tama nga naman, "references available upon request" will just make your resume longer, it does not add any value. Anyway, if the employer is really interested in your qualifications, for sure they will ask for references at a later stage of the recruitment process.

cholle

My current employer didn't ask for references. I had one interview and they interviewed another guy after me, then they offered me the job the same day. Depends on the requirement and the employer. In my case they immediately needed someone to start ASAP, ako pa nga nagpa-delay ng start ko.

I also applied somewhere else, went to two interviews, then they asked me for references. I didn't get it, sayang. They got someone else with more experience daw. Sabi ng references ko (mga ex employer ko in Singapore) they weren't even contacted. With this job it didn't seem like an immediate vacancy to be filled asap because they really took their sweet time with the application process.

wizardofOz

@cholle ano nga uli yung work mo.. scientist ba yan na gumagawa ng mga formulas hehehe

vhoythoy

Yung kakilala ko sa PWC audit firm sa sydney hindi din humingi ng referees, depende din cguro sa company hindi lahat humihingi

wizz

<blockquote rel="wizardofOz">Yung mga "References" po na hinihingi ng employers.. dapat ba nasa Australia din?

Or would they call them up even if nasa overseas yung mga References.. Salamat!</blockquote>

ako they called my former employer in Singapore tapos hiningan din ako ng personal reference na within Australia. so, saken merong professional and personal reference. 🙂

cholle

@wizardofOz strata property management, which is the same job I had in Singapore

IslanderndCity

@cholle so oftentimes yung char reference na hiningi nila ay yung sa most recent employer?

cholle

@IslanderndCity ang hiningi nila is someone whom you were reporting to

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