Australian Computer Society Skills Application

key_ren

Hi,

I would like to solicit any opinion regarding my case. Basically, I graduated BS COE last July 2004 and started working right after at Company ABC as a contractual under Agency X. I was under this agency from July 2004 to October 2008 when Company ABC absorbed me on October 2008 as a Regular Employee up to present.

My roles during my entire employment changes but most of it are comparable to Systems Analyst (261112).

In the ACS Assessment Result, my work experience from July 2004 - October 2008 was not stated whether it is suitable or not. My initial suspect is that the Reference Letter that came from the Agency X does not mention my entire duties, which make it unsuitable (I think).

Below are my questions:

Is this possible that not all work experience will be stated in the letter, regardless if it is suitable or not?
Is it advisable to lodge a "Review" to ACS with an updated Reference Letter? Since I was under an agency but solely assigned to Company ABC. So, I plan to have this Agency X Reference letter counter signed by Company ABC and make sure duties and responsibilities are stated completely and correctly.
Notice that they have deducted 4 years on my second employment, while I am very sure that my work experience and as stated in the COmpany Reference Letter is closely related to the nominated occupation. Can anyone advise if this is subject for Review/Appeal?

Please see below excerpt from the ACS Result:

The following employment after October 2012 is considered to equate to work at an appropriately skilled level and relevant to 261112 (Systems Analyst) of the ANZSCO Code.

Dates: 10/08 - 09/13 (4yrs 11mths)

By the way, I am working with a MARA for this one and I am not quite happy and he is not helping me at all.

Appreciate any inputs before my time for Review or Appeal expires on April 14. 🙁

Thanks!

27 Jul 2013 - IELTS Take 1

09 Aug 2013 - IELTS Result - (L7.5, R8.5, W7, S7 = OBS 7.5)

23 Nov 2013 - Submitted ACS Assessment

14 Feb 2014 - ACS Assessment Result - Suitable

cgm

@key_ren The letter states "The following employment after October 2012 is considered to equate to work at an appropriately skilled level and relevant to 261112 (Systems Analyst) of the ANZSCO Code."

That means only your employment beginning November 2012 and onwards (that you declared sa ACS assessment) are counted.

The deduction of work experience also varies sa school. If you are section 1 school, you get 2 years deduction kasi they treat it as equivalent sa Australian degree. Check it here http://pinoyau.info/plugin/page/accredited-schools

I think important talaga to get your duties and responsibilities together sa Employment Certificate kasi that will form the basis of the decision of ACS if qualified ka.

Good luck!

SpongeBobInAU

@frederique, thanks ganun din magiging result mo, pray lng for guidance always 😉

@cgm oo nga, pero mauuna ka pa ata tapos ka na kc ng ielts mo, all the best! 🙂

key_ren

@cgm Thank you for the quick response. Upon checking, my school belongs to Section 1 naman. Parang gusto ko na talaga ipa-Review! Hehehe. Sabi kasi ni agent, magmumukha akong sinungaling if I submit an updated reference letter. E sakin naman, if it is countersigned by both Companies, dapat ok lang and not questionable diba. Your thoughts?

SpongeBobInAU

@xtian_777 punta ka sa abogado at magpagawa ka ng statutory declaration stating your claims, magsama ka ng previous officemate mo sa company na yun at dun kau magpirmahan. Yun lng ang alam kong paraan.

xtian_777

@SpongeBobInAU salamat boss sponge sa mabilis na sagot. Kelangan ba yung dati ko katrabaho eh mataas ang posisyon sa akin.

xtian_777

@cgm sir ask ko lang ako section 3 yung school so meaning ok po yun

xtian_777

guys may sample format po ba kayo ng statutory of declaration. pasensiya na po bago lang po ako

tuchul

hi @avp, yes, kailangan sa harap ng notary public pumirma ng statutory declaration yung boss mo bago tatakan as "notarized" yung document. Ganun din case ko, buti swerte ako at supportive yung boss ko at sumama sa law office during lunch time. hehe

SpongeBobInAU

@xtian_777 Ang sabi lang sa ACS guidelines is "The Statutory Declaration must be from a third party work colleague", sa pagkaka intindi ko eh pwede lng ka level mo. Pero un nga mas maganda pa rin ang mas mataas ang posisyon sa iyo para mas credible.

cgm

question po. let's say my work experience is from nov 2007 until present. then ACS said only work experience counted after nov 2009 is counted as relevant experience. when you lodge po ba your EOI should you put nov 2009 as your employment start date or still nov 2007? thanks

mann

@cgm it should from Dec 2009 (after Nov 2009) to present, so around 4years and 4 months.

That's how the assessments are like, I.e. ACS does not consider the first 2years of employment as being already skilled in your nominated occupation.

When lodging EOI, there's an option Yes/No to tick to indicate whether work experience is relevant to nominated skill. Only the relevant experience will be considered for points.

avp

@tuchul thanks sa info, then cguro nga kailangan ko dalin c boss sa notary. sana pumayag hehe

cgm

@mann thanks for the quick reply. if for example my SS requirements is 5 years experience so i can add the first two years as not relevant for getting points pero hoping it would ve considered as part of the 5 years work exp (e.g. VIC needs 5 years work exp for my occupation). tama pobba assumption ko? thanks

Xiaomau82

<blockquote rel="xtian_777">@SpongeBobInAU salamat boss sponge sa mabilis na sagot. Kelangan ba yung dati ko katrabaho eh mataas ang posisyon sa akin.</blockquote> Mas advisable n mas mataas yung position ng referee. Alternatively, u may want to ask your colleague if they can add "senior" sa job title.

heyits7me_mags

cinnamon20, i have checked with FAQ review and appeal i think my suggestion is correct to apply for a new skills assessment. Please check with this link. You will learn a lot .acs.org.au/migration-skills-assessment/faqs/after-your-assessment/review-and-appeal Godbless!!! 🙂

ios_dev

Hi Everyone,

I graduated Computer Science back in 2005 (AMA Computer University). I immediately started working (May 2005) as a Java developer then shifted to doing iPhone development (objective c) a little over 2 years ago.

That gives me about 9 years working experience as a software developer. So here's the problem. Medyo nag loko ako nun college so I have a lot of dropped subjects and failing grades. Basically, my TOR is not impressive at all plus I'm not sure what rating my school falls under. So the question is, tinitignan ba nang ACS yun grades even if I have extensive work experience in my field or will my experience take precedence?

Also, I read above that ACS takes away 2 years from your total experience which leaves me about 7 years.

This is a great community and I hope to be able to contribute someday. 🙂

cgm

@ios_dev i think ACS does not care sa grades.

mann

<blockquote rel="cgm">@mann thanks for the quick reply. if for example my SS requirements is 5 years experience so i can add the first two years as not relevant for getting points pero hoping it would ve considered as part of the 5 years work exp (e.g. VIC needs 5 years work exp for my occupation). tama pobba assumption ko? thanks</blockquote>

@cgm, sorry i dont know about VIC SS. i think they will also rely on the result of ACS skills assessment. from their site, one of the required documents when lodging application is skills assessment

Xiaomau82

<blockquote rel="ios_dev">Hi Everyone,

Also, I read above that ACS takes away 2 years from your total experience which leaves me about 7 years.

This is a great community and I hope to be able to contribute someday. 🙂</blockquote>

I assume AMA University u are referring po sa QC campus. If yes, your school po falls under CEP Sec 2. For a degree to be considered comparable to an AQF Bachelors degree, kelangan either

4 years fulltime with 120-185 credits and an average of 1.00 to 2.00
4 years fulltime and has passed licensure examination (which is not applicable to IT courses in the Philippines)
5 years fulltime around 200 credits

If you do not meet any of the above po, 6 years may be deducted po from your total work experience and your Bachelor’s degree may be comparable lang po to an AQF Associate degree, Advanced Diploma or Diploma.

By the way, the number of years to be deducted po from your work experience still depend kung iconsider ng ACS na comparable to AQF degree ICT Major - closely related (2 years), or AQF degree ICT Major - NOT Closely related (4 years deduction), AQF degree ICT Minor closely related (5 years).

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