Parents - include as Dependents

lock_code2004

Maka singit lang sa conversation. Ask ko lang if ako muna ang magapply ng visa then if granted na sya ako muna magpunta ng AU then after a year once ma maestablish ko na sarili ko doon ko na lang sponsor ang brother ko as dependent. Question is do I need to pay a lot of money in doing so and how can I prove na I've been supporting him financially? He is older than me by 4 years? And gano katagal kaya ang processing noon? Hope you can help me guys.

there are several ways na pwede mo madala ang brother mo:

a) include him as your dependent in your visa application, in this case one payment lang kayo kasi it is considered as one application (fee 3060aud), but, a big BUT, medyo mahirap i prove ang dependency lalo na mas matanda pa sayo ang brother mo, like how will you prove na sayo umaasa financially ang kapatid mo? sa bahay mo ba nakatira? etc.. there is a whole lot of considerations.. please check diac's website...

b) you can apply for your own visa, dont include him as your dependent... but just list him as your brother... after settled kana, you can SPONSOR him thru SkillSelect Visa 489, but this is a skilled migrant visa, so he will need to undergo skills assessment/ielts exam... may additional points lang pag SPONSORED ng relatives for visa 489 (additional 10pts)..

or who knows, baka nmn pwd din sya mag-apply kahit wlang sponsorship mo, as long as nasa SOL/CSOL indemand skills list ang occupation nya..

nalooka

Maganda yung tourist visa na until 5 years validity. Ang tanong lang eh makakatagal kaya parents ko na 6 months balik pinas sila...

Kelan po pala yung 2nd installment for subclass 143, bakit may ganun pa? For each parent yun, hindi pwede package deal tama po ba, pwedeng tourist visa din muna sila habang nagaapply ng 143?

amcasperforu

guys pa help. torn between having my mom as non-migrating dependent ano ano po specifics na dapat ko iconsider at ma deny po ba if di sufficient ung proofs? for example di ko ma provide ung monthly trail ng pera kasi inaabot ko lng every month sa mom ko.. or safest ako muna then kunin ko sya?

nfronda

@amcasperforu..As u have stated ur mom will be ur non-migrating dependent..So on the time na ma approve na ung visa m, hndi pa rin mkakasama ung mom m ksi nga non-migrating. But u have to provide evidences to prove that ur mom is dependent to u and also she will undergo medical health check at police check.

So if non-migrating lg namn mas mbuti pa na wag m na lg e declare ung mom as ur dependent sa application m..

But if u really want to have ur mom be with u pag nag migrate kna sa OZ kailangan m xa tlgang e declare as migrating dependent.

amcasperforu

@nfronda, sensya na ha confuse ako, if dineclare ko sya now sa application ko, I have the chance to get her into AU like under parent visa, tourist visa and the likes. Pero if di ko sya ni declare as non-migrating, meaning ba hindi ko sya pwede i file if ever in the future under parent visa and invite to come over as a tourist?

Sensya na po ha, medyo critical sa amin yung part na ito. Thanks po.

nfronda

@amcasperforu.. No, even hndi m xa e declare as non-migrating dependent sa application m ngaun pwde m pa rin xa e process sa kahit anung visa na dapt sa knya in the future..

But if u will declare her as ur non-migrating dependent magiging complikado ang application m if ever.. Kasi u have to provide evidences na dependent ung mom m sau and undergo medical and police check. But in the long run hndi pa rin xa kasama sa visa m ksi nga 'non-migrating dependent' xa, but u can still apply her another visa in the future..

So the best option ay wag m na lg xang e declare as dependent ang mom m kng e dedeclare m lg namn as non-migrating..

pro Pag gus2 m tlga xa isama, dapt e declare m tlga xa as migrating dependent.. Pra on the time nga grant na ung visa m, sulit ang hirap m sa ka kaprovide ng evidences on the dependency of ur mom ksi kasama xa sa visa m at mkakamigrate xa sa OZ anytime.

ang tanong ay, ung mom m ba ay tlgang depndent sau?? Wla ba xang tinatanggap na kahit anong allownce or pension from the government? Kung merun, hndi xa pwdeng ma coconsider as dependent sau.

Mostly ksi na iconoconsider ng DIAC na dependent ay ung mga anak at husband/wife lg.

amcasperforu

Thanks po sa sagot @nfronda. Yung mom ko po, pina retire ko na from work last 1 year and 6 five months ago. She's 54, widowed. Tatlo kami mag kakapatid, our eldest wala na po sa house and doest not provide allowances or anything, ako gitna, then ung bunso may asawa't anak na 4 months. Bunso kong kapatid with her wife also lives with us, same roof.

Ever since nung may work pa si mama, nag bibigay na ako ng finances, then itong lately a year and 6 mos ago, ako na nag ssupport monthly. Ang problem, its not bank to bank transfer at all, since we're living on same roof abot lang, in a way hard to prove. That's one.

Widow na sya more than 15years ago. Not a Filipino citizen which means no support na natatanggap from government. Yung health insurance kasama ko sya sa coverage from company benefits. Other than that, like medicines, checkup if not accredited by the HMO sagot namin.

Correct me if I'm wrong, if ni declare sya as non-migrating at na approve ako, meaning ba nito kasama nya at PR na rin sya?

nfronda

@amcasperforu.. So talaga plang dependent ung mom m sau..

If u will declare her as non-migrating dependent at na approve ung visa HINDI xa sa kasama sa PR kasi nga NON-MIGRATING.. So if gus2 m tlga xa masama sa PR m u have to declare her as MIGRATING DEPENDENT..

amcasperforu

@nfronda, ohh noo so kung migrating dependent, may mga requirements ba yun like need to take IELTS, and assessment rin like sa akin?

nfronda

@amcasperforu.. No, hndi na kailangan yan.. Kailangan m lg mag provide ng mga evidences na dependent ung mom m sau.. At need nya din ng mag health and police check.

If u will declare ur mom as NON-MIGRATING or MIGRATING dependent the whole process will still be thesame.. The only difference is pag na approve visa m, sa NON-MIGRATING hndi xa ksama sa PR m, pro pag MIGRATING kasama xa.

So better to declare as migrating..

Read the first page of this thread, my mga info kang makukuha dun kng anu gnwa ng isang member d2 at nsama nya mom nya sa application nya as migrating.

amcasperforu

Thanks po @nfronda, tama po nabasa ko po un si @kenkoy, sya po ung parent na napasama sa main applicant. Mukhang madugo yung pinag daan and I'm little worried since July 2013 is really approaching fast. May bayad po in addition pag may kasama kang magmigrate?

DontStopBelieving

Medyo madugo pala talaga pag gusto mo isama parents/sibling mo. Daming info ng nabasa ko dito at lalo ata ako naguluhan.

Question lang, gusto ko lang po manigurado, pede ko ba gawing un ate, mom and dad as dependent? kung nakatira kami sa iisang bahay, meron kami tindahan na sa ate ko nakapangalan, un ang isa sa pinagkukuhanan ng income, and monthly ako nagbibigay ng pera sa parents ko pro inaabot ko lang ung pera and hindi po bank to bank na transaction. parang wala ata to pagasa na maging dependent kht isa sa kanila? hay

nfronda

@amcasperforu..Yup xa un.. Kaya nga ehh.. Kailangan m tlga ng strong evidence to prove the dependency of ur mom to u. Wla xang byad, bale 1 payment lg kau..

D2 ksi sa OZ ang consider lg nla na dependent ay ung husband/wife at below 18 na mga anak ng main applicant. So pag my isasama kang dependent other than that mlaking question sa kanla yan..

nfronda

@DontStopBelieving
Pwde m silang gawing dependent but u have to provide strong evidences.. Aq nga na anak ng main applicant kaso lg over 18 na mdyo nahirapan pa na e prove ung dependency sa parents q nung nag proprocess kmi ng visa.

So pag siblings and parents, mdyo mahirap tlga yan..

amcasperforu

@nfronda, do you beleived it created delays dun sa processing? Was thinking somehow na ganun not sure if tama..

nfronda

@amcasperforu..Hindi natin masasabi yan, but it has chances na madedelayed.. But if u believe that u have strong evidences to prove the depedency of ur mom, wla kang dapt na e worry..lalo't lalo na widowed na xa at wla xang mga government allowances na nattanggap. Ang nag kecreate lg namn ksi ng delayed sa processing ay un pag kulang ang documents m..

amcasperforu

@nfronda, what if part na sya ng mag mimigrate at hindi na dun sa non-migrating, will they ask for those proofs pa rin like finances and dependencies?

nfronda

@amcasperforu.. Yes po..Kasi nga diniclare m xa na dependent m..

DontStopBelieving

Naku yari pala, un pa naman plan ko na isama ko na silang lahat pag nagkataon.

Pahirapan kasi ung proof na dpat iprovide. Is there any other way para maisama ko sila?

@DontStopBelieving
Pwde m silang gawing dependent but u have to provide strong evidences.. Aq nga na anak ng main applicant kaso lg over 18 na mdyo nahirapan pa na e prove ung dependency sa parents q nung nag proprocess kmi ng visa.

So pag siblings and parents, mdyo mahirap tlga yan..

nfronda

@DontStopBelieving..as ur mom and dad is still living together, hndi cla consider na dependent sau kahit na nagbibgay ka ng allowance sa kanla. As what u have said my businesss kau, so kahit isa sa kanla wlang magiging dependent m ksi my source of income ung family other than u. Even ikw ung nagbibgay ng capital hndi magiging proof un ksi the profit of the business will be considered as ur source of income.. Dyan ksi sa atin pag kita na ung ngbibgay ng allowance sa parents natin monthly at mgkasama sa isang bhay consider na agad natin as dependents. D2 sa OZ iba, broad ung meaning ng dependent sa kanila..

Kng gus2 m cla papuntahin ng Oz they need to apply 4 their own visa..

Sa sister m, kng nasa SOL or CSOL ung job nya pwde xang mag apply ng working visa.

Sa parents m namn pwde cla mag apply ng parents visa but it will cost u lot of lot of money which is over 40k AUD..

So ung another option is tourist visa na ang pnakalonger stay nla as tourist is 1yr.

vhoythoy

Problema ko din to kung isasama ko yung mother in law ko sa application. Matanda na din kasi yun, widow for 20 years and retired teacher. Senior citizen na and nakadepende/ nakatira na talga sa amin family ngaun. Maiiwan yun magisa sa pinas kung mag migrate kami. May maliit na pension nakukuha as retired teacher (10k pesos yata). If may problema pa sa pag prove na dependent sayo yun parents so posible talagang madelay yung buong visa namin. Still thinking kung isasama pero dependent na din talga namin sya.

DontStopBelieving

Si ate kasi hindi siya nakapagwork at nagfocus nlng sa pagmamanage ng tindahan namin. So malabo ung magapply for working Visa. Sa parent visa naman grabe ang mahal pala nun? 40k AUD? wowowow!

Mukhang tourist visa nalang nga ang pagasa nila ate at parents ko. Thanks po ng marami.

@DontStopBelieving..as ur mom and dad is still living together, hndi cla consider na dependent sau kahit na nagbibgay ka ng allowance sa kanla. As what u have said my businesss kau, so kahit isa sa kanla wlang magiging dependent m ksi my source of income ung family other than u. Even ikw ung nagbibgay ng capital hndi magiging proof un ksi the profit of the business will be considered as ur source of income.. Dyan ksi sa atin pag kita na ung ngbibgay ng allowance sa parents natin monthly at mgkasama sa isang bhay consider na agad natin as dependents. D2 sa OZ iba, broad ung meaning ng dependent sa kanila..

Kng gus2 m cla papuntahin ng Oz they need to apply 4 their own visa..

Sa sister m, kng nasa SOL or CSOL ung job nya pwde xang mag apply ng working visa.

Sa parents m namn pwde cla mag apply ng parents visa but it will cost u lot of lot of money which is over 40k AUD..

So ung another option is tourist visa na ang pnakalonger stay nla as tourist is 1yr.

nfronda

@DontStopBelieving..Yup sobrang mahal talaga.. Yes, tourist visa na lg ang pwde..

Ur welcome..

amcasperforu

guys, ano ibig sabihin nito Member of Family Unit, Evidence of? Ano po pwedeng iattached? Thank you

nfronda

@amcasperforu..As I understand members of family unit is ur wife/husband and children. Evidence na pwede mong mlagay is their birth certificate and marriage contract if u r married.. But I'm not really sure on this..

amcasperforu

Thanks @nfronda.. Uhmm if that's the case, pwede birth cert ko ilagay just to prove nanay ko sya.. OK...

Matanong ko lang pwede na ba mag pa medical and kuha ng NBI kahit wala pang CO or nag email na gawin na mga un?

nfronda

@amcasperforu..Are u single ba??

As far as I know, visas process offshore need to wait the advise of the department or CO before taking the medcal exam.. Sa police check cguro pwde na.. Sorry not really sure.. Differnt ksi visa q, onshore ung processing q.. At d2 sa OZ pwde mgpamdcal at police check kahit wla pang CO or pwde isabay sa paglodge ng application..

vhoythoy

What if maging australian citizen kana, mas madali na ba madala parents sa oZ?

nfronda

@vhoythoy..Ganun pa rin.. u will still undergo in the normal processing of parents visa which u need to w8 longer and pay higher amount..

Ung PR ksi and Australian citizen prang iisa lg yan ehh kng iisipin..

amcasperforu

@nfronda, yup single. Uhmm meron kasi akong nakita dun na organize your health examination. I clicked the link then open a new window with some health questions, after submitting it another page appears, may two buttons, print medical history tsaka referal letter. Nag save ako ng pdf, referal letter sya na nakalagay eMedical Referal Letter with my TRN and bar code number. Ito na po ba yun?

Wala pa naman po akong narereceived na email from a CO. Should we proceed to have the medicals? By the way, we went sa NBI earlier, grabe 3 weeks bago makuha