Engineers Australia Skills Assessment

icomanman

Right.

Thank you so much for your time. I completely understand.

I think that's all there is.

Cheers people.

MumVeng

I guess the best take-away from this case po is that documents stating our job description/duties and responsibilities are VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT for our application. Para po sa mga mag-apply in the future, let's make sure we have this document. 🙂

RheaMARN1171933

@MumVeng said:
I guess the best take-away from this case po is that documents stating our job description/duties and responsibilities are VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT for our application. Para po sa mga mag-apply in the future, let's make sure we have this document. 🙂

The best take away is if one wants peace of mind then best to do RSEA, claim work experience on what was assessed if one wants to add work not assessed by RSEA then at your own risk. No one is saying it can’t be done but be mindful of the risk of over claiming points. It’s not rocket science, if one wants to be on the safe side then best to formally get the assessment unfortunately, you would have to spend money. Kung gustong makatipid, then you need to weigh on the risks in the end. Yes, one can refer to this forum as guidance only because nothing in here can be taken as formal advice.

Let’s end this topic na.

Captain_A

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@MumVeng said:
I guess the best take-away from this case po is that documents stating our job description/duties and responsibilities are VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT for our application. Para po sa mga mag-apply in the future, let's make sure we have this document. 🙂
The best take away is if one wants peace of mind then best to do RSEA, claim work experience on what was assessed if one wants to add work not assessed by RSEA then at your own risk. No one is saying it can’t be done but be mindful of the risk of over claiming points. It’s not rocket science, if one wants to be on the safe side then best to formally get the assessment unfortunately, you would have to spend money. Kung gustong makatipid, then you need to weigh on the risks in the end. Yes, one can refer to this forum as guidance only because nothing in here can be taken as formal advice.
Let’s end this topic na.

I agree

Captain_A

@haringkingking said:

I think very clear sa booklet 'yung requirements for assessing relevant work experience.
Reference letter with your job description/specific na ginagawa mo sa work, either nasa COE mo or sa Job Offer Letter mo. Critical talaga 'yun kasi 'yun lang naman talaga magiging basis nila kung 'yung ginagawa mo sa work mo na you're claiming is relevant sa nominated occupation mo.

Sabi rin sa MSA booklet, your Relevant Skilled Employment will not be recognized unless you submit ALL required documents.
If I were you, kakausapin ko na 'yung former supervisor mo or HR niyo dun para makakuha ng detailed COE. Sayang din 5pts lalo ngayon na medyo hirap na sa invitations. Then you can do your next step (RSEA again?).
But if di ka makakuha nun, I guess don't claim for it sa EOI.
All the best. Good luck!

tama

jakibantiles

@GreyM said:
Magandang umaga. Natapos ko na ang dalawang career episodes ko. Isa nlng. Nakikisuyo pa ako sa dati kong katrabaho na hanapin at piktyuran ang documents para magawa ko na din. Question lang po, pano niyo inapproach ang present supervisor/manager niyo sa pagpapapirma ng referral letter/coe? Were you honest about why you need it? Thanks

Hello po. Since naka address po sa EA yung employment endorsement, naging honest ako na magpapa assess talaga ako. Na there's a possibility na tawagan pa siya, kahit rare naman. TRY lang kako kasi gusto na umalis ni hubs sa trabaho (ako rin excuse ni hubs nung nagpapirma sya). Sinabi ko rin na sa edad naming to, gusto na namin magbuild ng family, which is malabo dito sa SG. Medyo mahirap kapain ang Singaporeans kaya medyo nag-iingat. Sinabi ko na lang na don't worry, medyo matagal pa naman yan, 2-3yrs ang processing (pre-covid pa to) so you can say longer than that if you need po. Sa manager ko ako nagpapirma kasi tingin ko magiging supportive sya, baka kasi pag sa HR hindi umubra eh, baka iangat sa higher positions, syempre ayaw mo muna magcause ng commotion baka feeling nila aalis ka na agad hehe Medyo nakakakaba po yan kasi ayaw natin magkaron ng effect sa current job natin. Assure nyo na lang po sila na hindi kayo aalis agad (kahit gusto nating ASAP na) hehehe God bless po!

tigerlance

@icomanman said:

@haringkingking said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@haringkingking said:

@icomanman said:

@MumVeng said:
Got some answers...

Nice! Galing naman ni @MumVeng. At least this tells us something. We can now understand why optional talaga ang RSEA. Maraming Salamat sa inyo. :smiley: Also to you @haringkingking. All the best sa atin!

All the best din @icomanman! Good luck sa ating lahat! :wink:

Yes, definitely optional. I believe this is also clear when you read the MSA guideline but as the legislation says, they first take into account the opinion of the assessing authority. In the absence of such, they will refer to the ANZCO code and documents provided by the applicant. The issue is there may still be a grey area if work experience is not formally assessed. Hence the applicant must make sure to provide the right and accurate evidences or risk the possibility of over claiming points which could lead to visa being refused. Unlike if one has done the RSEA, it’s more straightforward for everyone given the fact that the applicant is certain about the points he/she is claiming and the assessing officer would likely not question the opinion of the authorised assessing body vs the claim of the applicant.

As an agent, I don’t gain anything from recommending clients to do the RSE, in fact it’s actually added work for us given we have to check if client complied with the RSEA requirements. Nevertheless, I would still highly recommend to have this done to be on the safe side because I know it will strengthen the case for my clients...otherwise, would have just advised clients to save their money on this process.

@icomanman actually did an RSEA, clinarify niya. I think ang concern niya talaga is wala siya nung "RIGHT AND ACCURATE EVIDENCE" nung isang work experience niya, which is a big NO-NO kaya di na-claim 'yung other 3 years work experience niya. So iniisip niya ngayon kung makakalusot ba sa DHA later on kapag nag-file na siya ng EOI and mabigyan ng ITA.

But still, dapat magkaroon siya nung necessary document na hinahanap ni EA which is the DETAILED DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES nung isang work experience niya. 🙂
I just like to point out this comment.
I never said na iniisip ko kung makaka lusot. This insinuates that I'm onto something "fishy". I said, the DHA might have a different opinion.
If you read the MSA manual and that screenshot from DHA website, you'd also be inclined to think that that could be the case. Plus, the fact that there are a number of cases, engineers in particular, that did not opt for RSEA but were able to successfully applied and got approved. Hence, I asked previously about these cases.
So again, ano po iyong mga documents na ipinasa nyo?
same with DHA and EA

a) Duties and Responsibilities. I created my own. based on the needed requirement by EA like number of hours, number of days in a week, duties and responsibilities, etc. In the Philippines, your Job description is not always the same on the actual task you performed. I prepared the actual task that I performed which is very long about 5 pages because I step up in the company ladder. (Reference letter)

b) SSS Contribution Signed by SSS Branch Manager

c) Phil Health Contributions/Income Tas

@haringkingking said:

@icomanman said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@icomanman said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@Captain_A said:

@icomanman said:
Saka kung titingnan mo kasi, mukhang mas maluwag yung requirements from DHA compared sa EA (the reason why I'm asking for those who did not undergo RSEA):

this is possible

Never under

@icomanman said:
Saka kung titingnan mo kasi, mukhang mas maluwag yung requirements from DHA compared sa EA (the reason why I'm asking for those who did not undergo RSEA):

@GreyM sa akin, I asked for letter of reference, including list ng duties. Yung iba nagtanong, kako mag papa assess ako sa EA. Yung iba naman hindi. Yung isa naman former supervisor ko member na ng EA; sa kanya yung pinaka smooth.

@icomanman im just curious why you would think mas maluwag yung requirements ng DHA? We’ve handled x amount of cases and we would not have noticed such nor dare to assume that that is the case.

Thanks po @RheaMARN1171933 . i actually sent you a pm last 17 of August.

Anyway, if the information on the screenshot above is complete, then it seems to me na mas maluwag sila in terms of interpreting the employment experience. Say, I can prove that I worked in the same ANZSCO code and such work experience is consistent with the "career progression", I deem to have met the requirements. With the absence of an opinion from an assessing authority, the immigration officer may not be that privy of what actually the job/role entails (hence they refer to RSEA).

Now, to discuss whether or not maluwag si DHA is moot, I supposed.

But, since you mentioned you handled x number of cases, and I presume those are not limited to engineers, would you mind to share what types of documents you require from your clients to present, as evidences of their employement experience? That is, in the absence of an assessment from a relevant authority.

And for those who did not seek assistance from agents, ano po mga pinasa ninyong evidence ng employment?

Maraming Salamat po

Employment reference letter or stat dec there’s is no alternative for these two. If you don’t have this then you can’t claim.

Both assessing authority and immigration base their assessment on ANZSCO code. The assessing authority will make their opinion based on the immigration standards so to say that one is more lenient than the other is definitely the wrong approach.

All the best.

Thanks @RheaMARN1171933 .

Can you share more details regarding the Employment Reference letter?

Yan po kasi yung reason kaya ako nalilito; and also why I think the DHA might have a different opinion. Meron akong employment reference letter for that period. Nandoon yung Title/role, period and conditions of employment. However, hindi nakalagay yung "List of at least 5 duties/responsibilities" na hinihingi ng EA. Instead, sabi ng former supervisor ko doon sa letter, pwede syang kontakin if there are any further questions. So hindi ko na mai push ngayon na paki lagay naman po yung List, sa kanya.

I think very clear sa booklet 'yung requirements for assessing relevant work experience.
Reference letter with your job description/specific na ginagawa mo sa work, either nasa COE mo or sa Job Offer Letter mo. Critical talaga 'yun kasi 'yun lang naman talaga magiging basis nila kung 'yung ginagawa mo sa work mo na you're claiming is relevant sa nominated occupation mo.

Sabi rin sa MSA booklet, your Relevant Skilled Employment will not be recognized unless you submit ALL required documents.
If I were you, kakausapin ko na 'yung former supervisor mo or HR niyo dun para makakuha ng detailed COE. Sayang din 5pts lalo ngayon na medyo hirap na sa invitations. Then you can do your next step (RSEA again?).
But if di ka makakuha nun, I guess don't claim for it sa EOI.
All the best. Good luck!

tigerlance

Mas mahirap yung Option 2 kaysa Option 1 regarding Job offer letter with detailed job descriptions

Sa Pilipinas kasi maraming pinapagawa outside sa job description para makatipid ng manpower. Aminin man natin o hindi, ganun talaga sa Pilipinas.

Ang ginawa ko, gumawa ako ng listahan ng ginagawa ko sa work, more than 5 talaga kasi yun naman ang totoo . Sinunod ko yung lahat ng kailangan nila except yung pay rate kasi sobrang haba na ang reference letter ko saka every year or kung misan 3 times a year nagbabago ang sweldo ko. So sinupotahan ko nalang ng sss, provident fund, bir form 2316, and bank statement (Ang mahal nito gumastos ako ng almost 1k dahil marami ang prinint.

msasoler

Hi, anyone able to click the Task tab on EA portal? Still waiting on my husband's assessment and we have a notification but it wont allow us to open it :neutral:

msasoler

@msasoler said:
Hi, anyone able to click the Task tab on EA portal? Still waiting on my husband's assessment and we have a notification but it wont allow us to open it :neutral:

oops, disregard! figured it out! :smile:

BhukitBakitBatik

Heloooo po. Ask lang sana ako question kung ano ibig sabihin nito:

"A bachelor education from another educational institution that is of recognized standard."

Is it Bachelor's Degree + PRC+ Positive Assessment (ng EA for example)?

Thank u.

kimpossible

Good day! Anyone here who has just recently submitted their application? Iniisip ko po kasi kung kukunin ko yung fast track nila or no need na. Kasi ang turnaround time pag regular daw is 9 weeks, ang di ko lang sure e kung totoong 9 weeks lang ba or mas matagal pa kaya?

Thanks in advance! :smile:

tigerlance

@BhukitBakitBatik said:
Heloooo po. Ask lang sana ako question kung ano ibig sabihin nito:

"A bachelor education from another educational institution that is of recognized standard."
Is it Bachelor's Degree + PRC+ Positive Assessment (ng EA for example)?
Thank u.

Nominated Occupation --- Same Occupation or Related sa Tinapos mo (Diploma) + PRC (PRC Card and PRC Certificate) + Section 1/Section 2 School (Transcipt, Diploma) = Positive Assessment ng EA = 15 points sa EOI/DHA

RheaMARN1171933

@tigerlance said:

@BhukitBakitBatik said:
Heloooo po. Ask lang sana ako question kung ano ibig sabihin nito:

"A bachelor education from another educational institution that is of recognized standard."

Is it Bachelor's Degree + PRC+ Positive Assessment (ng EA for example)?

Thank u.
Nominated Occupation --- Same Occupation or Related sa Tinapos mo (Diploma) + PRC (PRC Card and PRC Certificate) + Section 1/Section 2 School (Transcipt, Diploma) = Positive Assessment ng EA = 15 points sa EOI/DHA

It means a qualification from a section 1 institution or section 2 or 3 + PRC

Positive skills assessment has nothing to do with it

BhukitBakitBatik

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@tigerlance said:

@BhukitBakitBatik said:
Heloooo po. Ask lang sana ako question kung ano ibig sabihin nito:

"A bachelor education from another educational institution that is of recognized standard."

Is it Bachelor's Degree + PRC+ Positive Assessment (ng EA for example)?

Thank u.

Nominated Occupation --- Same Occupation or Related sa Tinapos mo (Diploma) + PRC (PRC Card and PRC Certificate) + Section 1/Section 2 School (Transcipt, Diploma) = Positive Assessment ng EA = 15 points sa EOI/DHA
It means a qualification from a section 1 institution or section 2 or 3 + PRC
Positive skills assessment has nothing to do with it

So it is.

Thank you @RheaMARN1171933 . 🙂

Thank you @tigerlance. 🙂

RheaMARN1171933

@BhukitBakitBatik said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@tigerlance said:

@BhukitBakitBatik said:
Heloooo po. Ask lang sana ako question kung ano ibig sabihin nito:

"A bachelor education from another educational institution that is of recognized standard."

Is it Bachelor's Degree + PRC+ Positive Assessment (ng EA for example)?

Thank u.

Nominated Occupation --- Same Occupation or Related sa Tinapos mo (Diploma) + PRC (PRC Card and PRC Certificate) + Section 1/Section 2 School (Transcipt, Diploma) = Positive Assessment ng EA = 15 points sa EOI/DHA

It means a qualification from a section 1 institution or section 2 or 3 + PRC

Positive skills assessment has nothing to do with it
So it is.
Thank you @RheaMARN1171933 . 🙂
Thank you @tigerlance. 🙂

Just to clarify if section 1 no PRC needed

kpaul

Hi everyone, me and my partner are clueless in how to start our cdr, pahelp naman po. Baka meron po kayong sample CDR for IEs na supply planner and/or materials coordinator. Thank you in advance!

Here's my email paulenev12@gmail.com

MumVeng

@kpaul said:
Hi everyone, me and my partner are clueless in how to start our cdr, pahelp naman po. Baka meron po kayong sample CDR for IEs na supply planner and/or materials coordinator. Thank you in advance!

Here's my email paulenev12@gmail.com

You can start by reading the MSA Booklet po. You will be more familiar with the format and what you need to write for every part po.

jakibantiles

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@BhukitBakitBatik said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@tigerlance said:

@BhukitBakitBatik said:
Heloooo po. Ask lang sana ako question kung ano ibig sabihin nito:

"A bachelor education from another educational institution that is of recognized standard."

Is it Bachelor's Degree + PRC+ Positive Assessment (ng EA for example)?

Thank u.

Nominated Occupation --- Same Occupation or Related sa Tinapos mo (Diploma) + PRC (PRC Card and PRC Certificate) + Section 1/Section 2 School (Transcipt, Diploma) = Positive Assessment ng EA = 15 points sa EOI/DHA

It means a qualification from a section 1 institution or section 2 or 3 + PRC

Positive skills assessment has nothing to do with it

So it is.

Thank you @RheaMARN1171933 . 🙂
Thank you @tigerlance. 🙂
Just to clarify if section 1 no PRC needed

Kapag po ba walang license, section 2 yung school, Mech Engg yung tinapos pero sa production engr magpapa assess, may chance makakuha ng positive outcome? Yung work exp po nya sa UAE. Salamat po.

tigerlance

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@tigerlance said:

@BhukitBakitBatik said:
Heloooo po. Ask lang sana ako question kung ano ibig sabihin nito:

"A bachelor education from another educational institution that is of recognized standard."

Is it Bachelor's Degree + PRC+ Positive Assessment (ng EA for example)?

Thank u.

Nominated Occupation --- Same Occupation or Related sa Tinapos mo (Diploma) + PRC (PRC Card and PRC Certificate) + Section 1/Section 2 School (Transcipt, Diploma) = Positive Assessment ng EA = 15 points sa EOI/DHA
It means a qualification from a section 1 institution or section 2 or 3 + PRC
Positive skills assessment has nothing to do with it

Yes, ang isusulat lang ay yung Highest Relevant Qualification - yun yung magsasatisfy na 15 points if AQF Level is Bachelor Degree

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