Visa "trend" questions

mariusinbrisbane

Hello! Bale I'm already close to getting my skills assessment outcome (sana talaga mag positive!) and about to do my PTE na next week. Hopefully before November ends, makapag-EOI na ako.

Just want to set my expectations for the 189 and 190 visas:

1) Pre-pandemic po ba, ano ang trending when it comes to receiving ITA? Ilang months normally?

2) Sa mga inabutan ng pandemic, gaano po katagal kayo before naka-receive ng ITA? Grant? Offshore/onshore?

3) I've already asked this before pero I want to get more insights dun sa mga less competitive na occupations (non-pro-rata). Ano pong ang mga points niyo and gaano kayo katagal nakatanggap ng invite?

4) If you could also share some insights/observances na napansin niyo sa trending ng invites, that would be great!

Thank you in advance! :smile:

hikari

hi @mariusinbrisbane you can check this link:

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/working-in-australia/skillselect/invitation-rounds

pre pandemic, every month sila nagiinvite for 189. pero ngayon every quarter na. Sa 190 naman, depende sa state e.
during pandemic, puro onshore lang usually na naiinvite at mostly yung occup nasa PMSOL. base sa mga nakikita ko previously, more on medical occup yung kadalasan na naiinvite.
For non pro-rata, as far as I know, basta nasa PMSOL ka, mas may chance ka mainvite especially kung nasa medical occup ka. Pero disclaimer din, hindi lahat ng nasa pmsol naiinivite madalas. like sa occup ko, nasa pmsol ako pero bihira invites samin. Others can correct me on this. Depende kasi sa occup mo e. pero simula pandemic puro onshore and usually medical occup lang may invites.
During pandemic, mas dumami invites ng 491 so you might want to consider that as well.

RheaMARN1171933

@hikari said:
hi @mariusinbrisbane you can check this link:
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/working-in-australia/skillselect/invitation-rounds

pre pandemic, every month sila nagiinvite for 189. pero ngayon every quarter na. Sa 190 naman, depende sa state e.

during pandemic, puro onshore lang usually na naiinvite at mostly yung occup nasa PMSOL. base sa mga nakikita ko previously, more on medical occup yung kadalasan na naiinvite.

For non pro-rata, as far as I know, basta nasa PMSOL ka, mas may chance ka mainvite especially kung nasa medical occup ka. Pero disclaimer din, hindi lahat ng nasa pmsol naiinivite madalas. like sa occup ko, nasa pmsol ako pero bihira invites samin. Others can correct me on this. Depende kasi sa occup mo e. pero simula pandemic puro onshore and usually medical occup lang may invites.

During pandemic, mas dumami invites ng 491 so you might want to consider that as well.
Just for clarification

Pre- pandemic it was nearly impossible to be granted a 189 visa unless you have very very high points. Migration agents would likely divert clients for 491 visa as that’s the most feasible pathway for offshore applicants
The PMSOL is more often than not for 482 visa applications. Offshore applications are not prioritised, hence no invites are issued
Right now points aren’t really relevant for offshore as you can’t base your strategy on this - no one gets invited! Though South Australia has opened its nominations for offshore for some occupations but subject to meeting requirements - that’s definitely a positive development
As mentioned no invites for offshore - that’s the trend. More 491 applications pre-pandemic days - that’s always been the case in the last 3-4 years already. 190 was more for onshore applications. At present, the aim is to maximise points and Lodge the EOI ASAP as that’s likely to increase your chances of inviting soo er when things go back to normality

mariusinbrisbane

@hikari said:
hi @mariusinbrisbane you can check this link:
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/working-in-australia/skillselect/invitation-rounds

pre pandemic, every month sila nagiinvite for 189. pero ngayon every quarter na. Sa 190 naman, depende sa state e.

during pandemic, puro onshore lang usually na naiinvite at mostly yung occup nasa PMSOL. base sa mga nakikita ko previously, more on medical occup yung kadalasan na naiinvite.

For non pro-rata, as far as I know, basta nasa PMSOL ka, mas may chance ka mainvite especially kung nasa medical occup ka. Pero disclaimer din, hindi lahat ng nasa pmsol naiinivite madalas. like sa occup ko, nasa pmsol ako pero bihira invites samin. Others can correct me on this. Depende kasi sa occup mo e. pero simula pandemic puro onshore and usually medical occup lang may invites.

During pandemic, mas dumami invites ng 491 so you might want to consider that as well.
Thank you po for these insights!

mariusinbrisbane

Just for clarification

Pre- pandemic it was nearly impossible to be granted a 189 visa unless you have very very high points. Migration agents would likely divert clients for 491 visa as that’s the most feasible pathway for offshore applicants

The PMSOL is more often than not for 482 visa applications. Offshore applications are not prioritised, hence no invites are issued

Right now points aren’t really relevant for offshore as you can’t base your strategy on this - no one gets invited! Though South Australia has opened its nominations for offshore for some occupations but subject to meeting requirements - that’s definitely a positive development

As mentioned no invites for offshore - that’s the trend. More 491 applications pre-pandemic days - that’s always been the case in the last 3-4 years already. 190 was more for onshore applications. At present, the aim is to maximise points and Lodge the EOI ASAP as that’s likely to increase your chances of inviting soo er when things go back to normality

Thank you po for these insights! I'm seeing lots of articles pertaining to AU discussing na the comeback of skilled migration, even doubling it to boost the economic recovery of AU. Sa tingin niyo po, would they ease the criteria in the points system?

RheaMARN1171933

@mariusinbrisbane said:

Just for clarification

Pre- pandemic it was nearly impossible to be granted a 189 visa unless you have very very high points. Migration agents would likely divert clients for 491 visa as that’s the most feasible pathway for offshore applicants

The PMSOL is more often than not for 482 visa applications. Offshore applications are not prioritised, hence no invites are issued

Right now points aren’t really relevant for offshore as you can’t base your strategy on this - no one gets invited! Though South Australia has opened its nominations for offshore for some occupations but subject to meeting requirements - that’s definitely a positive development

As mentioned no invites for offshore - that’s the trend. More 491 applications pre-pandemic days - that’s always been the case in the last 3-4 years already. 190 was more for onshore applications. At present, the aim is to maximise points and Lodge the EOI ASAP as that’s likely to increase your chances of inviting soo er when things go back to normality
Thank you po for these insights! I'm seeing lots of articles pertaining to AU discussing na the comeback of skilled migration, even doubling it to boost the economic recovery of AU. Sa tingin niyo po, would they ease the criteria in the points system?

Nothing has been officially announced nor spoken about points so can’t really comment about the easing of points until it comes from DHA

mariusinbrisbane

Nothing has been officially announced nor spoken about points so can’t really comment about the easing of points until it comes from DHA
Okay po thank you!

mamertz

Hello po. Try ko magbigay ng aking observations.

Di ko na sasagutin ng per-bullet point, pero I hope this helps.

Nag-apply ako noong 2018-2019, pre-pandemic. Back then, naabutan ko pa ang fornightly invitations.

And kung pro-rata ka, expect 70 is good enough to get an invite quickly.

Then shortly after, naging monthly ang invitation In my case, I had 65 points nung nagsubmit ako EOI last June 2018. Updated the system to reflect ang higher PTE score ko ng January 9. On Jan 11 2019, I received my ITA. And just three months after that, napansin ko na hindi na rin enough ang 75 to get invites based sa napansin kong trends.

In short, the trend doesn't look good. Nababawasan ang frequency ng invites and number of invites.

Lumala pa nung dumating ang COVID. More on onshores ang grants and more on health-related professions.

mariusinbrisbane

@mamertz thank you po for this!

Grabe talaga yung trend when it comes sa points. Sobrang taas na ngayon ng requirement. Yung mga pro-rata naman umaabot na ng mga 95 ang minimum dapat to get ITA.

And grabe nagstart pala yan sa fortnightly, naging monthly, tapos ngayon quarterly na.

MLBS

@mariusinbrisbane said:
@mamertz thank you po for this!

Grabe talaga yung trend when it comes sa points. Sobrang taas na ngayon ng requirement. Yung mga pro-rata naman umaabot na ng mga 95 ang minimum dapat to get ITA.
And grabe nagstart pala yan sa fortnightly, naging monthly, tapos ngayon quarterly na.

When I got all my docs ready for lodging back in 2017, 65 pts lang need for 189. I was 22 back then so ang max na nakuha ko is 60 pts. Imagine my frustration when the only thing na magawa ko is wait for 3 years to turn 25 para 65 pts na ako, pero of course the invites got extremely competitive by that time. I was joking to my mom na dapat pinanganak nya ako mas maaga lol

mariusinbrisbane

@MLBS What happened po? Nung 2017 po ba nagstart na 65 points ang minimum? Dati alam ko 60 lang need eh.

MLBS

@mariusinbrisbane said:
@MLBS What happened po? Nung 2017 po ba nagstart na 65 points ang minimum? Dati alam ko 60 lang need eh.

Yes 60 lang minimum nun pero 65 was enough to be invited. If I remember correctly they raised the minimum to 65 back in 2019. I was even checking the invites dati sa immi website for 2016 and 60 lang need nun. For the last 5 years hindi na bumaba ang pts for invite, always tumataas yearly.

mariusinbrisbane

@MLBS Matindi po ba competition sa occupation niyo, based sa trends?

MLBS

@mariusinbrisbane said:
@MLBS Matindi po ba competition sa occupation niyo, based sa trends?

I'd say competitive. Pro rata ang electronics engineering since 2016 until now. Hindi na kasi nag apply ang rules from years back, ngayon kahit gano ako kataas sa pts di na ako maiinvite simply because they don't invite certain occupations now, kahit 90 pts na ang meron ako because of AU regional study. Ang laban is hindi na sa pts, it's the occupation it seems.

mariusinbrisbane

I'd say competitive. Pro rata ang electronics engineering since 2016 until now. Hindi na kasi nag apply ang rules from years back, ngayon kahit gano ako kataas sa pts di na ako maiinvite simply because they don't invite certain occupations now, kahit 90 pts na ang meron ako because of AU regional study. Ang laban is hindi na sa pts, it's the occupation it seems.
Ang sad naman kung ganun nga, like focused lang sila sa iilang occupations. Naglagay pa sila ng listahan, joke HAHA!

MLBS

@mariusinbrisbane said:

I'd say competitive. Pro rata ang electronics engineering since 2016 until now. Hindi na kasi nag apply ang rules from years back, ngayon kahit gano ako kataas sa pts di na ako maiinvite simply because they don't invite certain occupations now, kahit 90 pts na ang meron ako because of AU regional study. Ang laban is hindi na sa pts, it's the occupation it seems.
Ang sad naman kung ganun nga, like focused lang sila sa iilang occupations. Naglagay pa sila ng listahan, joke HAHA!
haha yeah it sucks, pero nothing we can do except adjust. Buti nalang ginawa ko tong AU journey agad agad, I know that people 4 yrs ago probably didn't take me seriously when I said I wanted to migrate to Australia haha. Fresh graduate ako nun pero I'd say that this is the best decision of my life.

mamertz

@MLBS said:

@mariusinbrisbane said:
@MLBS What happened po? Nung 2017 po ba nagstart na 65 points ang minimum? Dati alam ko 60 lang need eh.
Yes 60 lang minimum nun pero 65 was enough to be invited. If I remember correctly they raised the minimum to 65 back in 2019. I was even checking the invites dati sa immi website for 2016 and 60 lang need nun. For the last 5 years hindi na bumaba ang pts for invite, always tumataas yearly.

Opo. 60 pts minimum lang noon. Nung nag apply ako ng 2018, naging 65 ang minimum. Tapos naging monthly na ang invites. That time, 70 pts naman ang required to get invited quickly.

Then , mga 2nd quarter ng 2019 , yung 70 pts di na rin enough . EVentually naging quarterly na ang invites.

Hopefully, after this pandemic magbalik ang lahat sa normal gaya ng dati.

EricTC

Would you guys think na may chance for invite ang 85pts for a "non" pro rata occupation? I am a civil engineer and based on my research nasa top 16 sya na may mataas na ceiling invitation.

Would you think 85pts is enough (visa 189) or I still need to increase it to 90 pts? Pinag-iisipan ko pa kasi if I will take the CCL exam.

Thank you!

RheaMARN1171933

@mamertz said:

@MLBS said:

@mariusinbrisbane said:
@MLBS What happened po? Nung 2017 po ba nagstart na 65 points ang minimum? Dati alam ko 60 lang need eh.

Yes 60 lang minimum nun pero 65 was enough to be invited. If I remember correctly they raised the minimum to 65 back in 2019. I was even checking the invites dati sa immi website for 2016 and 60 lang need nun. For the last 5 years hindi na bumaba ang pts for invite, always tumataas yearly.
Opo. 60 pts minimum lang noon. Nung nag apply ako ng 2018, naging 65 ang minimum. Tapos naging monthly na ang invites. That time, 70 pts naman ang required to get invited quickly.

Then , mga 2nd quarter ng 2019 , yung 70 pts di na rin enough . EVentually naging quarterly na ang invites.

Hopefully, after this pandemic magbalik ang lahat sa normal gaya ng dati.

You all need to understand, the trend you all are discussing is a temporary trend due to the covid situation. No one can expect invite right now if you’re offshore because it’s not a priority at the moment. Best you can do now is maximise the points you could get and lodge the EOI ASAP so you’re in the queue. There really is no point understanding how much points needed for an invite or how often invites happen - monthly, quarterly etc because these are not applicable right now if you’re offshore. The best strategy is be document ready to prepare when things go back to normal - with Australia slowly opening borders, we are getting there.

RheaMARN1171933

@EricTC said:
Would you guys think na may chance for invite ang 85pts for a "non" pro rata occupation? I am a civil engineer and based on my research nasa top 16 sya na may mataas na ceiling invitation.

Would you think 85pts is enough (visa 189) or I still need to increase it to 90 pts? Pinag-iisipan ko pa kasi if I will take the CCL exam.
Thank you!

If you’re offshore no chance right now.