Advice for Working Visa: 189 vs 190 vs 491

nahtzko

Hi guys! I was trying to look for answers dito sa forum kaso medyo na overwhelm din ako sa wealth of info available. I wanted to ask for advice sa scenario namin ng husband ko.

Both of us are working in IT and we're interested in migrating to AU in the long term. Ideal sana samin yung visa 189 or 190 pero based lang sa mga nabasa ko dito, it seems napaka competitive tsaka it can take years before you receive ITA.

In this case, would it make sense to go for 491? Can we lodge multiple EOIs with different visa types, tapos either ako main applicant or siya? For visa 491 kasi medyo confused kami, should we both log applications for this visa, tas whoever gets invited first yun kukunin? Paano po yung partner dito,separate visa application nlng?

Would appreciate any inputs from anyone in the same boat. Thank you!

hikari

@nahtzko said:
Hi guys! I was trying to look for answers dito sa forum kaso medyo na overwhelm din ako sa wealth of info available. I wanted to ask for advice sa scenario namin ng husband ko.

Both of us are working in IT and we're interested in migrating to AU in the long term. Ideal sana samin yung visa 189 or 190 pero based lang sa mga nabasa ko dito, it seems napaka competitive tsaka it can take years before you receive ITA.
In this case, would it make sense to go for 491? Can we lodge multiple EOIs with different visa types, tapos either ako main applicant or siya? For visa 491 kasi medyo confused kami, should we both log applications for this visa, tas whoever gets invited first yun kukunin? Paano po yung partner dito,separate visa application nlng?
Would appreciate any inputs from anyone in the same boat. Thank you!

In my opinion, it is much better to lodge multiple EOIs - 189, 190, 491. More entries, more chances of winning 🙂 As of the moment, 189 invites have stagnated. Hindi kaaya aya ang trend ng 189 invites ngayon regardless if you're onshore or offshore applicants. When it comes to 190 naman, each state has its own requirements such as # of yrs work experience, studies, or if you're already living there. You might want to check each state if you're eligible to submit an EOI.

Since ang government ay nagffocus na dumami ang mga tao sa regional, mas pinapaburan nila ang 491 invites ngayon. Kaya kung offshore ka at nakareceive ka ng 491 invite, grab it na! You'll never know kung kelan sila magiinvite for 189 or 190.

Both of you can lodge EOI, wala naman kaso yun. Declare nyo isa't isa as spouse na may positive skills assessment so both of you can get additional 10 points, and yes you are correct, whoever gets invited first will become the main applicant and their partner is the dependent. Basta i-declare nyo lang ang isa't isa sa EOI nyo 🙂 Hindi nyo need magseparate ng visa application. Please remember lang din na once you've received your invite, cancel your other EOIs so can give chance to others 🙂

nahtzko

@hikari Yes that makes sense. Thanks sa response! Mukhang pahirapan nga ang PR ngayon, so siguro better option na yung 491 para makapasok agad sa AU tas maka.add ng points once we do apply for OR.

Ask ko din sana if nakadeclare yung spouse as dependent sa 491 na EOI, would they be able to work din sa AU? Understanding ko is that they will also be granted 491 visa (if ever successful yung application) which means same rights as the main applicant noh?

nahtzko

Additional question din pala.. If multiple EOIs lodged, OK lang ba na same account / email address gamitin? May limitation ba, apart from needing to cancel the other EOIs once may invite na?

maguero

@nahtzko said:
@hikari Yes that makes sense. Thanks sa response! Mukhang pahirapan nga ang PR ngayon, so siguro better option na yung 491 para makapasok agad sa AU tas maka.add ng points once we do apply for OR.

Ask ko din sana if nakadeclare yung spouse as dependent sa 491 na EOI, would they be able to work din sa AU? Understanding ko is that they will also be granted 491 visa (if ever successful yung application) which means same rights as the main applicant noh?

Yung 491 visa has a direct pathway to PR. Once you comply with the visa conditions to live & work in a regional area for 3 years & earn the minimum salary required during those 3 years pwede na kayo mag-apply for the 191 PR visa. Hindi nyo na kailangan mag-add ng points kasi wala nang invitation needed to apply for PR.

nahtzko

@maguero said:

@nahtzko said:
@hikari Yes that makes sense. Thanks sa response! Mukhang pahirapan nga ang PR ngayon, so siguro better option na yung 491 para makapasok agad sa AU tas maka.add ng points once we do apply for OR.

Ask ko din sana if nakadeclare yung spouse as dependent sa 491 na EOI, would they be able to work din sa AU? Understanding ko is that they will also be granted 491 visa (if ever successful yung application) which means same rights as the main applicant noh?
Yung 491 visa has a direct pathway to PR. Once you comply with the visa conditions to live & work in a regional area for 3 years & earn the minimum salary required during those 3 years pwede na kayo mag-apply for the 191 PR visa. Hindi nyo na kailangan mag-add ng points kasi wala nang invitation needed to apply for PR.

Oooh that's interesting! So hindi na points based tong 191 visa noh. Bago lang pala to. And I assume once na PR ka na, you're no longer required to stay sa regional area, if ever.

maguero

@nahtzko said:

@maguero said:

@nahtzko said:
@hikari Yes that makes sense. Thanks sa response! Mukhang pahirapan nga ang PR ngayon, so siguro better option na yung 491 para makapasok agad sa AU tas maka.add ng points once we do apply for OR.

Ask ko din sana if nakadeclare yung spouse as dependent sa 491 na EOI, would they be able to work din sa AU? Understanding ko is that they will also be granted 491 visa (if ever successful yung application) which means same rights as the main applicant noh?

Yung 491 visa has a direct pathway to PR. Once you comply with the visa conditions to live & work in a regional area for 3 years & earn the minimum salary required during those 3 years pwede na kayo mag-apply for the 191 PR visa. Hindi nyo na kailangan mag-add ng points kasi wala nang invitation needed to apply for PR.
Oooh that's interesting! So hindi na points based tong 191 visa noh. Bago lang pala to. And I assume once na PR ka na, you're no longer required to stay sa regional area, if ever.

I'm under a 489 visa, which is the one na pinalitan ng 491 visa. Ang PR pathway ng 489 visa is the 887 visa. Naglodge ako ng application for the 887 visa the day after I complied with the 489 visa requirements. Once you lodge a PR visa application and you are onshore, you will be given a bridging visa. The bridging visa takes effect as soon as the 489 visa expires kung hindi pa granted yung PR visa. Pwede na lumipat to live and work anywhere in Australia once the bridging visa becomes active. Hindi na kailangan antayin ma-grant yung PR. Baka ganyan din yung 491 to 191 visa.

nahtzko

@maguero Thanks po for the response! Medyo nagka hope naman ako sa mga inputs nnyo. Hehe

hikari

@nahtzko said:

@maguero said:

@nahtzko said:
@hikari Yes that makes sense. Thanks sa response! Mukhang pahirapan nga ang PR ngayon, so siguro better option na yung 491 para makapasok agad sa AU tas maka.add ng points once we do apply for OR.

Ask ko din sana if nakadeclare yung spouse as dependent sa 491 na EOI, would they be able to work din sa AU? Understanding ko is that they will also be granted 491 visa (if ever successful yung application) which means same rights as the main applicant noh?

Yung 491 visa has a direct pathway to PR. Once you comply with the visa conditions to live & work in a regional area for 3 years & earn the minimum salary required during those 3 years pwede na kayo mag-apply for the 191 PR visa. Hindi nyo na kailangan mag-add ng points kasi wala nang invitation needed to apply for PR.
Oooh that's interesting! So hindi na points based tong 191 visa noh. Bago lang pala to. And I assume once na PR ka na, you're no longer required to stay sa regional area, if ever.

Yep no work restriction ang 491 kaya pwede magwork yung hubby mo. Entitled din sa Medicare ang 491 visa holders. May requirement lang yung 191 para makapagapply kayo. 1) You need to at least have 53k annual income for 3 consecutive years 2) You need to live in designated regional place for 3 years. Not sure kung meron pang ibang requirements, you may check the immi website for more info.

hikari

@nahtzko said:
Additional question din pala.. If multiple EOIs lodged, OK lang ba na same account / email address gamitin? May limitation ba, apart from needing to cancel the other EOIs once may invite na?

You can use the same email address and there's no limit to submitting EOIs.

RheaMARN1171933

First of all, it’s too early to decide on what visa to apply for. Just be confined for now that you have 3 visa options - 189,190 and 491. Your focus should be your skills assessment application as this is your make and break. Between now and until you’re ready to lodge your EOI, a lot of things can change in terms. Hence this is when you become strategic and decide to choose ideally which visa to express interest for. Usually I still keep things open for my clients at this point and discuss with them which state are open to nominate and which one (based on previous experience on other cases) are likely to select you to apply for their state/regional nomination application.

Things can be overwhelming right now. You’ll find the more you research the more you realise it’s not a straightforward process so make sure you allocate sufficient time to research and that the info you’re getting would be the most uptodate process. E cause like I said, things change so quickly.

Hope that helps…good luck

gyoza

Hi po. Mataagal na po ako nghihintay ng 189 but unfortunately wala pa rin. Napapaisip na mag 491. May mga tanong po ako sana may makasagot. Thank you so much.

Ano po ba ang benefits ng 491? I mean in terms of medicare, centrelink, child care/school subsidy meron na po ba?
Malaki po ba chance na ma PR after three years? ang requirement lang is be able to meet the min. annual taxable salary and ngstay sa regional area for three years?

Is it wise to grab 491 invite now than wait for 189? Thank you

nahtzko

@hikari @RheaMARN1171933 thanks po for your inputs!

@gyoza It seems based sa inputs nila mas possible mas mabilis nga si 491. Looking at processing times din sa site, around 90% nga applications ni 189 can take 33 months, compared sa 12 months ni 491.

However, Ms. Rhea is right na things can change at any given time. Sa side ko, nasa start pa lang ako sa process so focus muna on skills assessment. But when the time comes na mag lodge ng EOI, possible mag 491 nga kami.

Good luck to us all!

RheaMARN1171933

@nahtzko said:
@hikari @RheaMARN1171933 thanks po for your inputs!

@gyoza It seems based sa inputs nila mas possible mas mabilis nga si 491. Looking at processing times din sa site, around 90% nga applications ni 189 can take 33 months, compared sa 12 months ni 491.
However, Ms. Rhea is right na things can change at any given time. Sa side ko, nasa start pa lang ako sa process so focus muna on skills assessment. But when the time comes na mag lodge ng EOI, possible mag 491 nga kami.
Good luck to us all!
That’s correct, likely a 491…it’s been that way even before pandemic but I wouldn’t still rule out other visas for now

hikari

@gyoza said:
Hi po. Mataagal na po ako nghihintay ng 189 but unfortunately wala pa rin. Napapaisip na mag 491. May mga tanong po ako sana may makasagot. Thank you so much.

Ano po ba ang benefits ng 491? I mean in terms of medicare, centrelink, child care/school subsidy meron na po ba?

Malaki po ba chance na ma PR after three years? ang requirement lang is be able to meet the min. annual taxable salary and ngstay sa regional area for three years?

Is it wise to grab 491 invite now than wait for 189? Thank you

Entitled ang 491 sa medicare but not entirely sure about other benefits. Some state tntreat as local students ang kids and some aren't. They require them to pay IS fees. Kaya mas mainam na i-check ito sa bawat state na pinagbabalakan mo mag EOI.
As long as nafulfill mo yung requirements for 191, then you are eligible to apply for it.
For me yes especially if you're an offshore applicant at wala masyadong invite sa occup mo. It's not like talo ka kung naoffer-an ka ng 491. Marami pong application na naghahangad maoffer-an kahit 491. May mga tao din po na nagsstudent visa para makapag apply ng PR at mas malaki gastos nila. Sa 491 entitled ka rin naman po sa medicare. Mind you, sobrang mahal mahospital dito kaya malaking bagay kung may medicare ka. Besides po, 491 doesn't have work restrictions. So depende na lang po sa regional na mapipili nyo kung in demand ang occup nyo doon. Kaya you have to do your research very well. I live in Adelaide, and so far okay naman ang pamumuhay dito. Not sure lang po sa ibang regional.

Kung ako po nasa kalagayan nyo, ttry ko po muna mag ROI/EOI ng 491. Wala naman po mawawala kung maglolodge po kayo 🙂 Mas maganda mag take action now na than later at baka manghinayang kayo sa oras na masayang. Malay nyo naman po, mauna nyo mareceive yung 189. Kung hindi man, at least may other option pa din kayo makapunta dito if ever maoffer-an kayo ng 491.

gyoza

@hikari said:

@gyoza said:
Hi po. Mataagal na po ako nghihintay ng 189 but unfortunately wala pa rin. Napapaisip na mag 491. May mga tanong po ako sana may makasagot. Thank you so much.

Ano po ba ang benefits ng 491? I mean in terms of medicare, centrelink, child care/school subsidy meron na po ba?

Malaki po ba chance na ma PR after three years? ang requirement lang is be able to meet the min. annual taxable salary and ngstay sa regional area for three years?

Is it wise to grab 491 invite now than wait for 189? Thank you

Entitled ang 491 sa medicare but not entirely sure about other benefits. Some state tntreat as local students ang kids and some aren't. They require them to pay IS fees. Kaya mas mainam na i-check ito sa bawat state na pinagbabalakan mo mag EOI.

As long as nafulfill mo yung requirements for 191, then you are eligible to apply for it.

For me yes especially if you're an offshore applicant at wala masyadong invite sa occup mo. It's not like talo ka kung naoffer-an ka ng 491. Marami pong application na naghahangad maoffer-an kahit 491. May mga tao din po na nagsstudent visa para makapag apply ng PR at mas malaki gastos nila. Sa 491 entitled ka rin naman po sa medicare. Mind you, sobrang mahal mahospital dito kaya malaking bagay kung may medicare ka. Besides po, 491 doesn't have work restrictions. So depende na lang po sa regional na mapipili nyo kung in demand ang occup nyo doon. Kaya you have to do your research very well. I live in Adelaide, and so far okay naman ang pamumuhay dito. Not sure lang po sa ibang regional.

Kung ako po nasa kalagayan nyo, ttry ko po muna mag ROI/EOI ng 491. Wala naman po mawawala kung maglolodge po kayo 🙂 Mas maganda mag take action now na than later at baka manghinayang kayo sa oras na masayang. Malay nyo naman po, mauna nyo mareceive yung 189. Kung hindi man, at least may other option pa din kayo makapunta dito if ever maoffer-an kayo ng 491.

Hi po. Thank you for input! Actually po nag ROI na ako sa 491 (SA) and ngemail na sila. Im buying time to submit sa last day. Sinasagad ko kumbaga, hoping mapaabot ko pa until April invitation round (hoping pa for 189). Nsa Adelaide na pala kayo wow! 491 visa po? Hindi ba mahirap mghanap ng work? I am a Chemical Engineer, asawa ko Mechanical Engineer. If you dont mind, ano pong field kayo?

gyoza

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@nahtzko said:
@hikari @RheaMARN1171933 thanks po for your inputs!

@gyoza It seems based sa inputs nila mas possible mas mabilis nga si 491. Looking at processing times din sa site, around 90% nga applications ni 189 can take 33 months, compared sa 12 months ni 491.

However, Ms. Rhea is right na things can change at any given time. Sa side ko, nasa start pa lang ako sa process so focus muna on skills assessment. But when the time comes na mag lodge ng EOI, possible mag 491 nga kami.

Good luck to us all!
That’s correct, likely a 491…it’s been that way even before pandemic but I wouldn’t still rule out other visas for now

Thank you! In terms of success rate ng temp. to PR transition, mataas ba chance? Kasi iniisip ko intead of waiting for 189 na ang tagal tagal, parang maigi nakatapak ka na sa Australia.. and doon ka na mgexplorepa ng ibang pathway to PR.

Super thank you for all your insights!

gyoza

@nahtzko said:
@hikari @RheaMARN1171933 thanks po for your inputs!

@gyoza It seems based sa inputs nila mas possible mas mabilis nga si 491. Looking at processing times din sa site, around 90% nga applications ni 189 can take 33 months, compared sa 12 months ni 491.
However, Ms. Rhea is right na things can change at any given time. Sa side ko, nasa start pa lang ako sa process so focus muna on skills assessment. But when the time comes na mag lodge ng EOI, possible mag 491 nga kami.
Good luck to us all!

Thank you for your insight. and God bless us all!

maguero

@gyoza said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@nahtzko said:
@hikari @RheaMARN1171933 thanks po for your inputs!

@gyoza It seems based sa inputs nila mas possible mas mabilis nga si 491. Looking at processing times din sa site, around 90% nga applications ni 189 can take 33 months, compared sa 12 months ni 491.

However, Ms. Rhea is right na things can change at any given time. Sa side ko, nasa start pa lang ako sa process so focus muna on skills assessment. But when the time comes na mag lodge ng EOI, possible mag 491 nga kami.

Good luck to us all!
That’s correct, likely a 491…it’s been that way even before pandemic but I wouldn’t still rule out other visas for now
Thank you! In terms of success rate ng temp. to PR transition, mataas ba chance? Kasi iniisip ko intead of waiting for 189 na ang tagal tagal, parang maigi nakatapak ka na sa Australia.. and doon ka na mgexplorepa ng ibang pathway to PR.
Super thank you for all your insights!

Note lang na pag na-grant ang 491 visa mo you can't apply for any PR visa except for the 191 PR visa, when you become eligible for that. So hindi ka naman makaka-explore ng ibang pathway to PR once you get here. May direct pathway to PR ang 491 visa so wala rin naman need to explore other PR pathways.

hikari

@gyoza said:

@hikari said:

@gyoza said:
Hi po. Mataagal na po ako nghihintay ng 189 but unfortunately wala pa rin. Napapaisip na mag 491. May mga tanong po ako sana may makasagot. Thank you so much.

Ano po ba ang benefits ng 491? I mean in terms of medicare, centrelink, child care/school subsidy meron na po ba?

Malaki po ba chance na ma PR after three years? ang requirement lang is be able to meet the min. annual taxable salary and ngstay sa regional area for three years?

Is it wise to grab 491 invite now than wait for 189? Thank you

Entitled ang 491 sa medicare but not entirely sure about other benefits. Some state tntreat as local students ang kids and some aren't. They require them to pay IS fees. Kaya mas mainam na i-check ito sa bawat state na pinagbabalakan mo mag EOI.

As long as nafulfill mo yung requirements for 191, then you are eligible to apply for it.

For me yes especially if you're an offshore applicant at wala masyadong invite sa occup mo. It's not like talo ka kung naoffer-an ka ng 491. Marami pong application na naghahangad maoffer-an kahit 491. May mga tao din po na nagsstudent visa para makapag apply ng PR at mas malaki gastos nila. Sa 491 entitled ka rin naman po sa medicare. Mind you, sobrang mahal mahospital dito kaya malaking bagay kung may medicare ka. Besides po, 491 doesn't have work restrictions. So depende na lang po sa regional na mapipili nyo kung in demand ang occup nyo doon. Kaya you have to do your research very well. I live in Adelaide, and so far okay naman ang pamumuhay dito. Not sure lang po sa ibang regional.

Kung ako po nasa kalagayan nyo, ttry ko po muna mag ROI/EOI ng 491. Wala naman po mawawala kung maglolodge po kayo 🙂 Mas maganda mag take action now na than later at baka manghinayang kayo sa oras na masayang. Malay nyo naman po, mauna nyo mareceive yung 189. Kung hindi man, at least may other option pa din kayo makapunta dito if ever maoffer-an kayo ng 491.
Hi po. Thank you for input! Actually po nag ROI na ako sa 491 (SA) and ngemail na sila. Im buying time to submit sa last day. Sinasagad ko kumbaga, hoping mapaabot ko pa until April invitation round (hoping pa for 189). Nsa Adelaide na pala kayo wow! 491 visa po? Hindi ba mahirap mghanap ng work? I am a Chemical Engineer, asawa ko Mechanical Engineer. If you dont mind, ano pong field kayo?

190 SA ako waiting for grant. Pero nagstudent pathway kasi ako. Developer Programmer yung occupation na ninominate ko.

Regarding your concern kung mataas rate ng transition to PR, I believe yes as long as mafulfill mo requirements. 491 visa is valid for 5 years and you only need 3 consecutive yrs for the annual income requirement and 53k annually is attainable as long as may fulltime work ka 🙂 Knowing na ChE ka, mas malaki ang pwedeng maioffer sayo.

Kung makakadagdag to sa decision factor nyo, pwede nyo din icheck yung processing time ng 491 and 189. As of today, 491 has 77 days to 12 months processing time only while 189 might take 16 to 24 months.