Advice for Working Visa: 189 vs 190 vs 491

RheaMARN1171933

@hikari said:

@gyoza said:

@hikari said:

@gyoza said:
Hi po. Mataagal na po ako nghihintay ng 189 but unfortunately wala pa rin. Napapaisip na mag 491. May mga tanong po ako sana may makasagot. Thank you so much.

Ano po ba ang benefits ng 491? I mean in terms of medicare, centrelink, child care/school subsidy meron na po ba?

Malaki po ba chance na ma PR after three years? ang requirement lang is be able to meet the min. annual taxable salary and ngstay sa regional area for three years?

Is it wise to grab 491 invite now than wait for 189? Thank you

Entitled ang 491 sa medicare but not entirely sure about other benefits. Some state tntreat as local students ang kids and some aren't. They require them to pay IS fees. Kaya mas mainam na i-check ito sa bawat state na pinagbabalakan mo mag EOI.

As long as nafulfill mo yung requirements for 191, then you are eligible to apply for it.

For me yes especially if you're an offshore applicant at wala masyadong invite sa occup mo. It's not like talo ka kung naoffer-an ka ng 491. Marami pong application na naghahangad maoffer-an kahit 491. May mga tao din po na nagsstudent visa para makapag apply ng PR at mas malaki gastos nila. Sa 491 entitled ka rin naman po sa medicare. Mind you, sobrang mahal mahospital dito kaya malaking bagay kung may medicare ka. Besides po, 491 doesn't have work restrictions. So depende na lang po sa regional na mapipili nyo kung in demand ang occup nyo doon. Kaya you have to do your research very well. I live in Adelaide, and so far okay naman ang pamumuhay dito. Not sure lang po sa ibang regional.

Kung ako po nasa kalagayan nyo, ttry ko po muna mag ROI/EOI ng 491. Wala naman po mawawala kung maglolodge po kayo 🙂 Mas maganda mag take action now na than later at baka manghinayang kayo sa oras na masayang. Malay nyo naman po, mauna nyo mareceive yung 189. Kung hindi man, at least may other option pa din kayo makapunta dito if ever maoffer-an kayo ng 491.

Hi po. Thank you for input! Actually po nag ROI na ako sa 491 (SA) and ngemail na sila. Im buying time to submit sa last day. Sinasagad ko kumbaga, hoping mapaabot ko pa until April invitation round (hoping pa for 189). Nsa Adelaide na pala kayo wow! 491 visa po? Hindi ba mahirap mghanap ng work? I am a Chemical Engineer, asawa ko Mechanical Engineer. If you dont mind, ano pong field kayo?
190 SA ako waiting for grant. Pero nagstudent pathway kasi ako. Developer Programmer yung occupation na ninominate ko.
Regarding your concern kung mataas rate ng transition to PR, I believe yes as long as mafulfill mo requirements. 491 visa is valid for 5 years and you only need 3 consecutive yrs for the annual income requirement and 53k annually is attainable as long as may fulltime work ka 🙂 Knowing na ChE ka, mas malaki ang pwedeng maioffer sayo.
Kung makakadagdag to sa decision factor nyo, pwede nyo din icheck yung processing time ng 491 and 189. As of today, 491 has 77 days to 12 months processing time only while 189 might take 16 to 24 months.

That data is likely for onshore applicants and won’t be applicable for offshore since very few to none have been invited to lodge.

RheaMARN1171933

@gyoza said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@nahtzko said:
@hikari @RheaMARN1171933 thanks po for your inputs!

@gyoza It seems based sa inputs nila mas possible mas mabilis nga si 491. Looking at processing times din sa site, around 90% nga applications ni 189 can take 33 months, compared sa 12 months ni 491.

However, Ms. Rhea is right na things can change at any given time. Sa side ko, nasa start pa lang ako sa process so focus muna on skills assessment. But when the time comes na mag lodge ng EOI, possible mag 491 nga kami.

Good luck to us all!
That’s correct, likely a 491…it’s been that way even before pandemic but I wouldn’t still rule out other visas for now
Thank you! In terms of success rate ng temp. to PR transition, mataas ba chance? Kasi iniisip ko intead of waiting for 189 na ang tagal tagal, parang maigi nakatapak ka na sa Australia.. and doon ka na mgexplorepa ng ibang pathway to PR.
Super thank you for all your insights!

Just to correct the term used, 491 isn’t a temporary visa, it’s a provisional visa which could lead to PR as long as criteria are met.

That’s another way of exploring things and likely what you’re referring to is a student visa. That’s the route I took many moons ago but it’s not something I will highly recommend given the fact that it is a very expensive pathway which does not guarantee anything. 491 would likely be a faster route vs 189….it has always been that way even prepandemic. I’ve had a few who came to me asking for options as their student pathway didn’t work in their favour….so be very careful with this approach. Yes you can set your feet to Australia sooner via student visa but it doesn’t mean it will be faster to get a permanent visa. There are those cases where one kept on studying just to stay in Australia then his/her friend entered Australia with a PR na. So in short, ilang years nag aaral yung isa tapos yung isa stayed in the home country, lodged a pr visa, worked as normal, was able to save money then visa granted, was able to migrate smoothly vs the other one still studying, stressed about options and savings being depleted tapos working odd jobs kasi can’t find normal jobs within his/her industry because of the work limitation of their visa. Moral lesson here is probably best to do things slowly but surely.

It’s possible rules and process could change by the time you finish your course and you’ll end up having to do further studies just to remain lawful noncitizen in Australia or you go back home because all options have been exhausted.

haringkingking

@gyoza said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@nahtzko said:
@hikari @RheaMARN1171933 thanks po for your inputs!

@gyoza It seems based sa inputs nila mas possible mas mabilis nga si 491. Looking at processing times din sa site, around 90% nga applications ni 189 can take 33 months, compared sa 12 months ni 491.

However, Ms. Rhea is right na things can change at any given time. Sa side ko, nasa start pa lang ako sa process so focus muna on skills assessment. But when the time comes na mag lodge ng EOI, possible mag 491 nga kami.

Good luck to us all!
That’s correct, likely a 491…it’s been that way even before pandemic but I wouldn’t still rule out other visas for now
Thank you! In terms of success rate ng temp. to PR transition, mataas ba chance? Kasi iniisip ko intead of waiting for 189 na ang tagal tagal, parang maigi nakatapak ka na sa Australia.. and doon ka na mgexplorepa ng ibang pathway to PR.
Super thank you for all your insights!

Go for it!!!! 🙂

gyoza

@haringkingking said:

@gyoza said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@nahtzko said:
@hikari @RheaMARN1171933 thanks po for your inputs!

@gyoza It seems based sa inputs nila mas possible mas mabilis nga si 491. Looking at processing times din sa site, around 90% nga applications ni 189 can take 33 months, compared sa 12 months ni 491.

However, Ms. Rhea is right na things can change at any given time. Sa side ko, nasa start pa lang ako sa process so focus muna on skills assessment. But when the time comes na mag lodge ng EOI, possible mag 491 nga kami.

Good luck to us all!
That’s correct, likely a 491…it’s been that way even before pandemic but I wouldn’t still rule out other visas for now

Thank you! In terms of success rate ng temp. to PR transition, mataas ba chance? Kasi iniisip ko intead of waiting for 189 na ang tagal tagal, parang maigi nakatapak ka na sa Australia.. and doon ka na mgexplorepa ng ibang pathway to PR.
Super thank you for all your insights!
Go for it!!!! 🙂

Thank you! Fighting!

Desert_Cowboy

@gyoza said:

@haringkingking said:

@gyoza said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@nahtzko said:
@hikari @RheaMARN1171933 thanks po for your inputs!

@gyoza It seems based sa inputs nila mas possible mas mabilis nga si 491. Looking at processing times din sa site, around 90% nga applications ni 189 can take 33 months, compared sa 12 months ni 491.

However, Ms. Rhea is right na things can change at any given time. Sa side ko, nasa start pa lang ako sa process so focus muna on skills assessment. But when the time comes na mag lodge ng EOI, possible mag 491 nga kami.

Good luck to us all!
That’s correct, likely a 491…it’s been that way even before pandemic but I wouldn’t still rule out other visas for now

Thank you! In terms of success rate ng temp. to PR transition, mataas ba chance? Kasi iniisip ko intead of waiting for 189 na ang tagal tagal, parang maigi nakatapak ka na sa Australia.. and doon ka na mgexplorepa ng ibang pathway to PR.
Super thank you for all your insights!

Go for it!!!! 🙂
Thank you! Fighting!

I'm in the same exact situation a few months ago. I am offshore and I lodged my EOI for 189,190 and 491 Family and State. I was also hoping and praying for 189. Unfortunately, I was invited for 491 Family Sponsored Visa last October 21, 2021.

Once invited, you will have maximum 60 days to lodged the visa while invitation round for 189 comes every 90 days. This is when I weighed my options. I asked myself if I can afford to let it pass and wait for the next rounds? What if I let it pass and never get an invite again? Could I live with the guilt and remorse for myself? But what If I get invited for 189 on the next round?

I thought about it hard. Then I remembered the frustations of hundreds of applicants in facebook

groups and forums. Some people are re-enrolling on a course just to prolong their student visa and people waiting for years for invites.

So I lodged our visa last Dec 8, 2021. Medicals on January 5, 2022. Direct Grant last February 15, 2022. BM on May.

They published the earliest processing time at 77 days. I got it in 69 days, and I'm offshore. My lucky number. 😆

So there goes mine, I hope this will help you decide or something. Weigh your options and assess your situation. Don't let go what you can't afford to lose. Remember that some would kill for what you have now.

By the way, I was invited again on the January 2022 rounds. Unfortunately, I already lodged our visa a month ago. Good thing, I was invited on the same old 491 FS again. So no hard feelings. 😊

JamesD

Regarding po sa pag file ng ROI. Pwede po ba na mag file ng ROI for both 491 and 190 from the same state, let say NSW. Thanks po sa sasagot.

gyoza

@Desert_Cowboy said:

@gyoza said:

@haringkingking said:

@gyoza said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@nahtzko said:
@hikari @RheaMARN1171933 thanks po for your inputs!

@gyoza It seems based sa inputs nila mas possible mas mabilis nga si 491. Looking at processing times din sa site, around 90% nga applications ni 189 can take 33 months, compared sa 12 months ni 491.

However, Ms. Rhea is right na things can change at any given time. Sa side ko, nasa start pa lang ako sa process so focus muna on skills assessment. But when the time comes na mag lodge ng EOI, possible mag 491 nga kami.

Good luck to us all!
That’s correct, likely a 491…it’s been that way even before pandemic but I wouldn’t still rule out other visas for now

Thank you! In terms of success rate ng temp. to PR transition, mataas ba chance? Kasi iniisip ko intead of waiting for 189 na ang tagal tagal, parang maigi nakatapak ka na sa Australia.. and doon ka na mgexplorepa ng ibang pathway to PR.
Super thank you for all your insights!

Go for it!!!! 🙂

Thank you! Fighting!

I'm in the same exact situation a few months ago. I am offshore and I lodged my EOI for 189,190 and 491 Family and State. I was also hoping and praying for 189. Unfortunately, I was invited for 491 Family Sponsored Visa last October 21, 2021.
Once invited, you will have maximum 60 days to lodged the visa while invitation round for 189 comes every 90 days. This is when I weighed my options. I asked myself if I can afford to let it pass and wait for the next rounds? What if I let it pass and never get an invite again? Could I live with the guilt and remorse for myself? But what If I get invited for 189 on the next round?
I thought about it hard. Then I remembered the frustations of hundreds of applicants in facebook
groups and forums. Some people are re-enrolling on a course just to prolong their student visa and people waiting for years for invites.
So I lodged our visa last Dec 8, 2021. Medicals on January 5, 2022. Direct Grant last February 15, 2022. BM on May.
They published the earliest processing time at 77 days. I got it in 69 days, and I'm offshore. My lucky number. 😆

So there goes mine, I hope this will help you decide or something. Weigh your options and assess your situation. Don't let go what you can't afford to lose. Remember that some would kill for what you have now.

By the way, I was invited again on the January 2022 rounds. Unfortunately, I already lodged our visa a month ago. Good thing, I was invited on the same old 491 FS again. So no hard feelings. 😊

Thank you for your insight. We were invited na for 491 (State sponsored) and we plan to push it na and not wait for 189..na wala din nmn guarantee. True ksi un mga PTEs, assessments are expiring na din this 4Q. so need na tlg ipush whichever comes first. tadhana na. Good luck to us!

gyoza

@gyoza said:

@Desert_Cowboy said:

@gyoza said:

@haringkingking said:

@gyoza said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@nahtzko said:
@hikari @RheaMARN1171933 thanks po for your inputs!

@gyoza It seems based sa inputs nila mas possible mas mabilis nga si 491. Looking at processing times din sa site, around 90% nga applications ni 189 can take 33 months, compared sa 12 months ni 491.

However, Ms. Rhea is right na things can change at any given time. Sa side ko, nasa start pa lang ako sa process so focus muna on skills assessment. But when the time comes na mag lodge ng EOI, possible mag 491 nga kami.

Good luck to us all!
That’s correct, likely a 491…it’s been that way even before pandemic but I wouldn’t still rule out other visas for now

Thank you! In terms of success rate ng temp. to PR transition, mataas ba chance? Kasi iniisip ko intead of waiting for 189 na ang tagal tagal, parang maigi nakatapak ka na sa Australia.. and doon ka na mgexplorepa ng ibang pathway to PR.
Super thank you for all your insights!

Go for it!!!! 🙂

Thank you! Fighting!

I'm in the same exact situation a few months ago. I am offshore and I lodged my EOI for 189,190 and 491 Family and State. I was also hoping and praying for 189. Unfortunately, I was invited for 491 Family Sponsored Visa last October 21, 2021.
Once invited, you will have maximum 60 days to lodged the visa while invitation round for 189 comes every 90 days. This is when I weighed my options. I asked myself if I can afford to let it pass and wait for the next rounds? What if I let it pass and never get an invite again? Could I live with the guilt and remorse for myself? But what If I get invited for 189 on the next round?
I thought about it hard. Then I remembered the frustations of hundreds of applicants in facebook
groups and forums. Some people are re-enrolling on a course just to prolong their student visa and people waiting for years for invites.
So I lodged our visa last Dec 8, 2021. Medicals on January 5, 2022. Direct Grant last February 15, 2022. BM on May.
They published the earliest processing time at 77 days. I got it in 69 days, and I'm offshore. My lucky number. 😆

So there goes mine, I hope this will help you decide or something. Weigh your options and assess your situation. Don't let go what you can't afford to lose. Remember that some would kill for what you have now.

By the way, I was invited again on the January 2022 rounds. Unfortunately, I already lodged our visa a month ago. Good thing, I was invited on the same old 491 FS again. So no hard feelings. 😊

Thank you for your insight. We were invited na for 491 (State sponsored) and we plan to push it na and not wait for 189..na wala din nmn guarantee. True ksi un mga PTEs, assessments are expiring na din this 4Q. so need na tlg ipush whichever comes first. tadhana na. Good luck to us!

Super swerte ang bilis ng grant? Sorry not familiar with the term BM. biometrics? hehe.

gyoza

@Desert_Cowboy said:

@gyoza said:

@haringkingking said:

@gyoza said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@nahtzko said:
@hikari @RheaMARN1171933 thanks po for your inputs!

@gyoza It seems based sa inputs nila mas possible mas mabilis nga si 491. Looking at processing times din sa site, around 90% nga applications ni 189 can take 33 months, compared sa 12 months ni 491.

However, Ms. Rhea is right na things can change at any given time. Sa side ko, nasa start pa lang ako sa process so focus muna on skills assessment. But when the time comes na mag lodge ng EOI, possible mag 491 nga kami.

Good luck to us all!
That’s correct, likely a 491…it’s been that way even before pandemic but I wouldn’t still rule out other visas for now

Thank you! In terms of success rate ng temp. to PR transition, mataas ba chance? Kasi iniisip ko intead of waiting for 189 na ang tagal tagal, parang maigi nakatapak ka na sa Australia.. and doon ka na mgexplorepa ng ibang pathway to PR.
Super thank you for all your insights!

Go for it!!!! 🙂

Thank you! Fighting!

I'm in the same exact situation a few months ago. I am offshore and I lodged my EOI for 189,190 and 491 Family and State. I was also hoping and praying for 189. Unfortunately, I was invited for 491 Family Sponsored Visa last October 21, 2021.
Once invited, you will have maximum 60 days to lodged the visa while invitation round for 189 comes every 90 days. This is when I weighed my options. I asked myself if I can afford to let it pass and wait for the next rounds? What if I let it pass and never get an invite again? Could I live with the guilt and remorse for myself? But what If I get invited for 189 on the next round?
I thought about it hard. Then I remembered the frustations of hundreds of applicants in facebook
groups and forums. Some people are re-enrolling on a course just to prolong their student visa and people waiting for years for invites.
So I lodged our visa last Dec 8, 2021. Medicals on January 5, 2022. Direct Grant last February 15, 2022. BM on May.
They published the earliest processing time at 77 days. I got it in 69 days, and I'm offshore. My lucky number. 😆

So there goes mine, I hope this will help you decide or something. Weigh your options and assess your situation. Don't let go what you can't afford to lose. Remember that some would kill for what you have now.

By the way, I was invited again on the January 2022 rounds. Unfortunately, I already lodged our visa a month ago. Good thing, I was invited on the same old 491 FS again. So no hard feelings. 😊

Ang bilis ng visa grant! congrats! By the way, what is BM? biometrics?

MACINOZ2023

BM po, Big Move to AU. 🙂

MLBS

I was invited for 491 back in Feb 2020, lodged in April and granted Oct 2020. Mabagal grant saken because it was the peak of COVID and inuuna nila nurses. In my personal case, I was glad that I lodged it back then at hindi ako choosy kasi I would never know na by April 2020, hindi na sila mag iinvite ng Electronics engineers until now. I lodged with a total of 95 pts back then, pero kahit ngayon ako maglodge with 105 pts, no chance na mainvite ako at all. Kung hindi ko tinake 491 I would be stuck in a student visa pa rin hanggang ngayon and extend lang ng extend. Glad na hindi ako choosy back then and immediately took what I could. Almost halfway na ako sa 3 yr regional stay requirement - ang bilis lang ng panahon. Tip now is take whatever you get.

gyoza

@MACINOZ2023 said:
BM po, Big Move to AU. 🙂

wahahaha thank you! pano pla yun..pg naggrant na ng visa.. ano usual un first entry date?

gyoza

@MLBS said:
I was invited for 491 back in Feb 2020, lodged in April and granted Oct 2020. Mabagal grant saken because it was the peak of COVID and inuuna nila nurses. In my personal case, I was glad that I lodged it back then at hindi ako choosy kasi I would never know na by April 2020, hindi na sila mag iinvite ng Electronics engineers until now. I lodged with a total of 95 pts back then, pero kahit ngayon ako maglodge with 105 pts, no chance na mainvite ako at all. Kung hindi ko tinake 491 I would be stuck in a student visa pa rin hanggang ngayon and extend lang ng extend. Glad na hindi ako choosy back then and immediately took what I could. Almost halfway na ako sa 3 yr regional stay requirement - ang bilis lang ng panahon. Tip now is take whatever you get.

Thank you and congratulations! lapit na!

Desert_Cowboy

@gyoza said:

@MACINOZ2023 said:
BM po, Big Move to AU. 🙂
wahahaha thank you! pano pla yun..pg naggrant na ng visa.. ano usual un first entry date?

You can enter Australia the day your visa is granted. Pero usually kasi, it would take months to prepare and settle things first. Remember na you are not going their to work lang but to live. So matinding preparation ang kailangan. Date of entry pla is within 1 year from visa grant.

Aisforapple

Hi! I am planning to lodge my visa application tomorrow, subclass 491 po. Did you have the english test score report notarized? And nagsubmit din ba kayo ng form 80 and form 1221?

Desert_Cowboy

@Aisforapple said:
Hi! I am planning to lodge my visa application tomorrow, subclass 491 po. Did you have the english test score report notarized? And nagsubmit din ba kayo ng form 80 and form 1221?

Form 80 at form 956 lang ata ung akin. Pero dagdag mo na din mam. The more the merrier.

Lou27

@Desert_Cowboy said:

@Aisforapple said:
Hi! I am planning to lodge my visa application tomorrow, subclass 491 po. Did you have the english test score report notarized? And nagsubmit din ba kayo ng form 80 and form 1221?
Form 80 at form 956 lang ata ung akin. Pero dagdag mo na din mam. The more the merrier.

Hello, @Desert_Cowboy ! Saang stage po ng application hinihingi ang forms 80 and 956?

Desert_Cowboy

@Lou27 said:

@Desert_Cowboy said:

@Aisforapple said:
Hi! I am planning to lodge my visa application tomorrow, subclass 491 po. Did you have the english test score report notarized? And nagsubmit din ba kayo ng form 80 and form 1221?

Form 80 at form 956 lang ata ung akin. Pero dagdag mo na din mam. The more the merrier.
Hello, @Desert_Cowboy ! Saang stage po ng application hinihingi ang forms 80 and 956?

May chance na magkakaroon ka ng CO contact at hingin un. May nakapagsabing wala pa daw kasing nadidirect grant na hindi nagfrontload ng form 80.

hrrivs

Hello! For 491 visa applicants, ano po sinagot nyo sa Question no. 24 of Form 80 - Are you applying for a temporary visa? Yes or No? Thank you.

tigerlance

@hrrivs

Yes ang sagot dyan.

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/visa-listing/skilled-work-regional-provisional-491

provisional = temporary

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