2014 Students dito tayo! ^_^

Newleaf2014

@danyan2001us - anong kaguluhan meron sa ABDC? paki re post ng link. Di ko mabuksan :-*

danyan2001us

@Newleaf2014 ...bro copy paste ko na lang for you and for others yong communication ng ABDC.....sori at medyo mahaba haba ito hehe pero its a good source of information....

ill make it into 3 parts para hindi masyado mahaba in one entry

1st ENTRY:

Submission to Skilled Occupation List 2014

December 2013

Australian Universities Centre, 1 Geils Court, Deakin ACT 2600 | T: 02 6162 2970 | E: office@abdc.edu.au| W: www.abdc.edu.au

‐ 1 ‐

Mr Robin Shreeve

Chief Executive Officer

Australian Workplace and Productivity Agency (AWPA)

E: robin.shreeve@awpa.gov.au

Dear Robin

Re: Retention of accountants on Skilled Occupation List (SOL) and development of a longer‐term

approach to reviewing occupations for independent skilled migration

The Australian Business Deans Council (ABDC) is the authoritative and collective voice of pro vice-chancellors, executive deans and heads of business faculties and schools in Australian universities.

ABDC promotes and advances excellence in business education and research as well as engagement

with industry, the government and the community. ABDC represents a significant proportion of

higher education delivery with over one‐third of domestic university students and over one half of all

international students graduating from Australian business schools.1

ABDC welcomes the

opportunity to provide input into the 2014 Skilled Occupation List (SOL).

Our position

ABDC supports quality skilled migration initiatives and policies as these are of vital importance to

Australia’s labour market, increased productivity, long‐term economic growth and prosperity. In this

context our submission argues that the Australian government would gain significant benefit from:

1) retaining accountants on the 2014 SOL; and 2) developing a more flexible and longer‐term

approach to retention and review of occupations on the SOL.

ABDC has consistently supported the inclusion of accountants on the SOL and our membership has

developed a range of educational offerings and support services, and worked with the professional

accounting bodies, to facilitate quality learning outcomes for accounting students, including

international graduates. Therefore, our position is that any decision to remove accounting from the

SOL would need to be based on accurate market data and sophisticated contextual analysis.

Department of Education, Employment and Workforce Relations (DEEWR) analysis indicates that the

number of job openings for accountants is expected to be high (greater than 50,000) for the 2012‐

2017 period. This analysis indicates that labour market growth will place accountants as the third

ranked occupation by projected growth.2

We would however caution that certain data sources previously used to assess labour market

demand for the SOL— e.g. the Australian Graduate Survey (AGS) and recruitment advertisements

— are unreliable for assessing market labour demand for accountants. International student

response rates to the AGS are typically very low, which is compounded in the case of accounting

students, where three quarters are international.3

In the accounting profession, a significant volume

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bro here's the 2nd entry:

of recruitment activity for both graduates and qualified accountants is via direct means rather than

through advertisements. For example, the ‘Big 4’ and mid‐tier accounting firms work closely with

our member business schools (mainly on‐campus) to recruit directly into their graduate trainee

programs. These same organisations also partner with the professional accounting bodies to recruit

qualified accountants through their member networks. Therefore, the use of recruitment

advertisements would underestimate the actual labour market demand for accountants.

It is therefore very important to gauge labour market demand based on recommendations from the

relevant professional accounting bodies and their industry partners. ABDC strongly supports the

points made on this matter within the joint submission to the 2014 SOL made by the professional

bodies — CPA Australia and the Institute of Chartered Accountants Australia (ICAA). In particular,

we would like to make the following recommendations with respect to the 2014 Skilled Occupation

List and ongoing review process:

Recommendations from the Australian Business Deans Council (ABDC)

ABDC urges the Australian Workforce Productivity Agency and the Department of Immigration and

Border Protection (DIBP) to ensure any future independent skilled migration occupation list, review

system or policies consider the following recommendations:

Retain accounting and finance occupations on the 2014 Skilled Occupation List (SOL) including

221111 Accountants (general), 22112 Management Accountant, 221113 Taxation Accountant,

221212 Corporate Treasurer, 221213 External Auditor, and 132211 Finance Manager.

Move to a minimum three‐year cycle of reviews of skilled occupations. This longer term

review cycle would provide greater certainty for labour market planning, potential and existing

international students and to university planning.

Transition to a more flexible system, such as the one adopted by SkillSelect to support better

quality skilled migration. Applying a flexible threshold would allow for a more strategic

response to changes in the labour market for accountants, and would enable a more nuanced

management of quality immigration. The reactionary annual ‘on or off’ decision making process

could be replaced by a longer term planning vision.

The continual uncertainty of an annual SOL review system and retaining accountants on the SOL has

significant unintended consequences across many sectors, as outlined in the following sections.

The impact on the accounting profession

According to CPA Australia and ICAA, there is an under supply of accountants, and the labour market

conditions are getting tighter with accountants projected to rank amongst the most highly sought

after occupations in the short, medium and longer term.4

Economic conditions and significant

regulatory changes are contributing to the growing demand for accountants, especially in areas such

as taxation, audit, compliance and risk management, business analysis and processes, cost

management, environmental accounting, asset valuation and investment advisory roles.

Skilled migrants and international student graduates play a vital role in ensuring there is an

adequate talent pool to meet this increasing demand. Domestic student enrolments in accounting

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have declined, but, of more concern is the decline in international student enrolments post 20095

(who, as previously mentioned, represented three in four accounting students in 2012). This decline

of international student enrolments is evidence of the sensitivity to changed migration policies. ABDC, along with the professional accounting bodies, is very concerned that the uncertainty of annual reviews of the SOL has negatively impacted on current demand and will do so on future international enrolments. Any future decline will have a significant flow on effect on providing a

pipeline of much needed future accountants.

The impact on businesses, the economy and government

The removal of accountants from the SOL would also be in direct opposition to other government policies that aim to increase productivity, reduce red tape, grow international education and

facilitate the desire to forge important links with our Asian neighbours.

The impact of not meeting accounting and finance labour demand shortages in businesses,

particularly in small accounting firms, SMEs and firms in remote or rural areas would be substantial.

For example, in the Northern Territory current supply does not meet the growing demand for

accountants.6 Skilled migration is therefore particularly important in the Northern Territory due to:

firstly, the ageing accounting workforce in general (e.g. 55% of registered tax agents and 30% of BAS

Agents are aged 50 and over;7; and secondly, due to the challenges facing local employers in

attracting and retaining suitable candidates from interstate8

SMEs have been described as ‘the engine room for new ideas, new business activity and

employment growth’ of Australia’s post mining future.9

Therefore it is important to ensure

accountants be retained on the SOL to assist the nation to drive improved productivity—a critical

and necessary factor in boosting long‐term economic growth, prosperity and competitive advantage

especially in SMEs and regional Australia.

International education is the fourth largest export industry in Australia (largest in Victoria) and the

only non‐resource export in the top 10 export industries. The international students at Australian

universities graduating from business schools generate an estimated $4.8 billion in export earnings

to the Australian economy.10 The current federal government has stated its intention to rebuild the

international higher education as a significant export industry for Australia. However, the prospect

of permanent migration to Australia is a key motivation for international students pursuing higher

education here, evidenced that one in four business students are enrolled in accounting degrees.

A quality skilled migration policy supports Australia as a knowledge economy and the Government’s

‘Future Unlimited’ concept for promoting Australian education. Given that most accounting

students are from the increasingly dominant Asian region, removing accounting from the list will

negatively impact on developing these necessary links and on improving cultural understanding

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The impact on universities

The uncertainty of an annual review of the SOL affects not only businesses and the accounting

profession, but it also has an immense impact on universities. Fee revenue from international

accounting student fees provides a significant support to university funding — much needed in a

climate of considerable funding pressure. The continual insecurity of the SOL status of accountants

has played a role in the decline in international student enrolments in recent years.

It is of course acknowledged that labour market demand should be the primary focus for assessing

SOL occupations. However, the present annual SOL review cycle is too short‐term, consumes

unnecessarily large amount of resources and provides uncertainty for accounting student applicants,

university funding and planning. It takes a minimum of six years to educate a skilled accountant

(three years study, three years professional study program and experience). As a consequence

attracting high quality international applicants to invest in Australian undergraduate or postgraduate

accounting and finance degrees requires longer term certainty in our skilled migration programs.

Over recent years accounting graduates have consistently been in high demand, and, given current

trends, this demand is unlikely to dramatically diminish within a one year timeframe. To minimise

unnecessary frequency and improve productivity, planning and recruitment of high quality students,

we recommend a minimum three‐year review cycle of skilled migration occupations, is adopted.

Summary

In summary, ABDC recommends that the Department of Immigration and Border Protection retain

accountants on the 2014 skilled occupation list and that a longer‐term and more flexible approach to

reviewing skilled occupations for independent migration purposes is adopted. In particular, we

propose that a minimum three‐year‐cycle review of SOL occupations or a more flexible system, such

as the one developed by SkillSelect is implemented.

These recommendations would lead to greater certainty in: 1) meeting projected labour market

needs for accountants; 2) growing a more sustainable international education market and pipeline

for future accountants; and 3) minimising the associated negative flow‐on effect on SME

productivity, university planning and funding.

Ensuring there is sufficient supply to meet Australia’s future accounting and finance workforce needs

is important for developing a thriving, highly productive, competitive and knowledge‐based

workforce in a post‐mining Australian economy.

Yours sincerely

Professor Michael Powell

President

and Pro Vice‐Chancellor (Business) Griffith University

5 December 2013

danyan2001us

@Newleaf2014 ....

pray lang tau bro na sana pakikinggan ng AWPA (Australian Workplace and Productivity Agency) and recommendation ng ABDC.....for the benefit of all those who are in the accounting field like us.......

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@janinlee Hi Janine dito sa may George St.

danyan2001us

share ko lang sa inyo ang success stories of a few students who just arrievd here in Melbourne at nakapag work na sila. Yong isang couple dumating last month at ngayon nagwork na ung hubby as a chef sa Footscray...then ung isa naman ay single at nagwowork na siya ngayon as a cleaner ...may car na siya courtesy of his company at free fuel din siya....yong isang couple naman nakaka inspire dahil ung girl ang nakapag work part time then maybe after 6 months pa ung hubby nakawork....muntik na sila mawalan ng pag asa but i told them to hold on to their faith and be strong...plus unceasing prayers to HIM above...ayon naka pag work na ang hubby recently....si wife naman alhtough not related to her field (accounting) pero nakapagwork na rin sa isang company at magkalapit pa kami ng company dito sa settlement road, Thomastown....im sharing you these success stories guys to enlighten and perhaps to inspire you as well that with strong faith in God coupled with determination, you could also get and secure your own job.....

appledeuce

<blockquote rel="Newleaf2014">@appledeuce - good luck sa job hunting mo! Pray lots! </blockquote>

Thank you! I'm on my second week na still no signs of a potential job pa but God will provide. 🙂

ozdreamer0323

@appledeuce be strong lang po. #puso lang po, kaya yan.

mma1714

@nicekckyle yup. not less than 6.0 yung scores ko. kaso naging obs 6.0.. alangan tuloy 😐

mma1714

@danyan2001us sige po. inquire ako. ask ko lang po, kapag halimbawa graduate certificate muna, macecredits din ba yung mga subjects kapag nag continue to post grad na? Sorry wala kasi akong idea pa talaga.. iniisip ko lang kasi kung ano yung mas less ang gastos din sana.. una ko po talaga dapat target is bachelors degree lang, eh ang sabi po ng agent pwede na po ko for postgrad since may work experience tapos 1.5 years lang daw yun.

mma1714

@appledeuce Master in Information Technology po sana. or Information technology management. anything related dun.. since yun yung natapos ko din and dun din ako may work experience.

tin1289

Hello po! I would like to ask po kung pwede na po magenroll khit d pa nagtake ielts. But i'll be aking my ielts po sa april 12

janinlee

<blockquote rel="appledeuce"><blockquote rel="Newleaf2014">@appledeuce - good luck sa job hunting mo! Pray lots! </blockquote>

Thank you! I'm on my second week na still no signs of a potential job pa but God will provide. 🙂

</blockquote>

hi.. nurse ka rin ba?? ang hirap mag hanap ng work ngayon lalo na sa suburb kami nakatira ni hubby... start na ba class mo?

danyan2001us

@mma1714 ...i think so dahil yong makakasama ni wifey sa Federation University ay yon ang starting nya then 2nd semester na siya start ng masters niya....at saka parang preparatory stage yong graduate certificate leading to masters degree so related yong subjects doon....at saka may tatlo na IT masters sa kanila...master of information technology (8,650$ per semester), Master of Information Technology Management Studies (8,650$ per semster) then Master of Information Technology Studies (8.650$ per semester)...maganda pa sa kanila dahil after 1st semster like 2nd sem and up pwede mo na installment ang tuition mo....so hindi gaano mabigat

danyan2001us

@tin1289 ....just my 2 cents....hindi yata dahil requirement ng school ang ielts score mo.....

tin1289

Any suggestions po @danyan2001us kung saan po mganda place po australia na magstudent visa.. Since wala po akong kamag anak sa australia

danyan2001us

@tin1289 ...hi tin....ang masasabi ko lang na place ay melbourne since dito na kami mula july 2010 until now...at matatapos na si wifey by june this year...thanks be to God....wala ako ma i comment sa ibang place like sydney kasi no experience ako with those places....pero dito naman sa melbourne marami ka mameet na mga pinoy students...marami na rin kami nameet dito na mga students na wala ring kamag anak dito...importante lang na tibay ang loob mo na humarap sa mga challenges like malayo ka sa pamilya mo at sa pag survive in a foreign country....

appledeuce

@janinlee hindi po ako nurse. IT po ang background ko but hindi naman ako namimili for part-time hehe basta hindi magbubuhat ng mabibigat or kailangan ng car.

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