@RheaMARN1171933 said:
@_sebodemacho said:
@RheaMARN1171933 said:
Employment reference and COE are universal/generic terms used in any country. All our Filipino clients are able to provide such documents. COE is COE whichever country you go and same with employment reference letter. If a company, out of policy forbids superiors from writing a reference letter on the company letterhead, then a stat dec must then be done. We find such circumstance a lot for all our clients who work in Accenture in Philippines. If you refer to the guideline, ACS there were instances where they referred to employment reference and to employment certificate. Clearly there is a difference between the two, this can be verified by simply googling CoE vs employment reference letter.
I beg to differ, though, specifically the part above on employment reference. Yung CoE yes, standard naman sya so far sa lahat rin ng employments ko.
As many of us mentioned, evidently not everywhere the term "employment reference" is known. Hindi gets agad agad pag sinabi lang na "employment reference". There is a need to explain it to the person we are requesting it from.
Based on the web, CoE seems to be universally coming from the HR of a company. Simple format stating that one is employed by a company. While employment reference may come from someone higher in the ladder to write about the one requesting it that generally describes the responsibilities carried out and other pertinent details about the employment. More like character reference or recommendation nga sya.
But anyway, as I previously mentioned, mahalaga naman e makuha yung content na required ng ACS. Yun talaga yun. 😃
That’s correct, the important part is the content should be as per ACS.
I believe that’s what I’ve been saying all along in this discussion. That the employment reference letter doesn’t have to come from HR, it will also work from manager/colleague. No need for stat dec. COE follows a format but employment reference doesn’t. It contains the content of the COE plus anything about the employment, it could contain character reference, recommendation but definitely should have the job description in it. Hence the reason why ACS guidelines specified what exactly should be in it. It doesn’t ask for an employment certificate but used the terminology employment reference for that reason. Yes of course, one needs to explain what exactly should be on the employment reference letter given that as mentioned above there is no specific format for this. The problem arises when one uses the terminology COE when actually it’s the employment reference letter that they need. That’s when HR would usually say the company has a standard format to it because it does but a reference letter doesn’t. As a result, the employee would then be surprised that he’s been told there is a format for the COE when actually he’s referring to a reference letter - will automatically think it’s a road block when actually it’s just the terminology used that got misinterpreted.
It’s this simple…when one is asked for COE the first thing that comes to mind is to confirm that the person is employed in that company by stating the dates and job title…but if one is asked for an employment reference letter, first question that comes into mind is what do you want me to put in there - because there is no format to it. One knows what it is but needs to be told what it’s for and what should be on it.
The tip is, one can spare himself from further explaining and inconveniencing the referrer by creating a draft of the letter and explaining that such needs to be in the letter when handing it over for signature. Makes both of their lives easier - referee doesn’t need to further explain and referrer doesn’t have to spend much time thinking what to say, just have to read it and if he agrees would then sign it. Job done 😉
The "tip" part though, sana ganon lang rin kadali hahaha!
It isn't that easy to convince let alone share with their current manager or colleague that one is pursuing to migrate. Kaya most ng mga tao e sa HR lumalapit automatically. Dun na pumapasok yung diskusyon when it comes to the contents of the letter. Or worse and even more hassle, resorting to stat dec kung tulad ng Accenture ang company na hindi nagrerelease ng "comprehensive" CoE with job duties.
Sobraaaang swertehan rin talaga pagdating sa aspetong yan. 😃
