Accountant

TasBurrfoot

<blockquote rel="cylin"><blockquote rel="psychoboy"><blockquote rel="cylin"><blockquote rel="wynx">@filipinacpa

i was able to claim ung minimun lang sa work experience ko. kasi ang tinanggap nila ay ung work experience ko dyan sa pinas. ung dito sa abroad, they did not consider it kasi hindi specifically "accountant" ung aking job title. although kung base s responsibility at duties ay accountant naman ang aking position. </blockquote>

@wynx, so specific and strict talaga sila about sa job title ano? Tsk! Pambihira naman. hehe..iba din ang job title ko abroad eh.</blockquote>

I can speak for CPA Australia; di naman sila strict sa job title AS LONG AS yung mga detailed roles and responsibilities mo are in line with how ANZSCO define it. Case in point, si wife applied for accountant general - 5yrs of experience in a job title as external auditor was accepted.

hope this helps!</blockquote>

@psychoboy kasi naman po External Auditor is under group Accountants po and the same skill set sya so pasok sya sa "closely related" occupation kya po kayo hindi nagkaproblema. But if ang job title mo ay admin/accounts executive kahit na scope mo ay pang accountant it matters i think kasi wala naman sa group ang admin/accounts executive.

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@cylin - with all due respect, I don't agree with your comments above. for me it does not make sense that they will specifically not credit you with work experience for the sole reason that you job title does not specify as accountant.

again, i think as long as your detailed roles and responsibilities matches or is closely related to how ANZSCO definite it, you should be okey...

I could be wrong but logically, more importance should be placed on the itemized list of roles and responsibilities rather than your job title diba?

just my 2 cents... 🙂

wynx

@cylin

siguro para mas sure kung ayos lang sau ay magpa assess k n lang ng both your skills and work experiences sa ICAA. In that case kasi, malalaman kung ilan talga ang points na pwede mo i claim pagdating sa bagay na ito. 🙂 Gaya ko ayoko magkamali kung ilan talga ang dapat ko i claim sa aking work experience so i just opted to avail ung combo assessment ng ICAA in order to play safe na lang.

TasBurrfoot

<blockquote rel="wynx">@cylin

@wynx - I agree with you on this one. The best person who can be able to determine whether your work experience is relevant or not are the people who have the expertise on your nominated occupation. For your case, it is ICAA, IPA or CPA Australia.

OT - kumusta na pre? lapit na lipad natin, hope you were able to sort our your temporary accommodation...

wynx

@psychoboy

Yup, i was able to ask Ms @vangievc if willing pa rin nila ako patuluyin temporarily sa house nila, i moved kasi ung punta ko dun. I originally plan to have my initial entry sa March 20-25, but then because of a little complication sa sched, i changed it to April 13-19 instead. Luckily, willing pa rin naman daw nila ako i accept sa house nila.

Maybe we could meet up sa Melby pag pumunta ako? what do you think?

TasBurrfoot

<blockquote rel="wynx">@psychoboy

Maybe we could meet up sa Melby pag pumunta ako? what do you think?</blockquote>

Sure, let me know pafs!! 🙂

Either here or FB, cheers mate!!

wynx

@psychoboy

i will surely do that 🙂

cylin

<blockquote rel="wynx">@cylin

@wynx, yes...i'll probably avail the points test advice with Vetassess coz I am not very confident on how the skills asssessment would turn out (ex. Sept 2007-Aug 2010 they might not consider it as 3years, Accounts admin - not the same as accountant skills...etc.). Whatever it is i'm going to try my luck or else wait for the right time. :-)

Ilang taon po pala kayong ngwork sa PH? I'm aware that it is below 5yrs, just wanna know from when to when (month/year). Thanks.

vhoythoy

Goodluck sa mga nagapply. Ako'y standby pa muna. Update2 nalang =)

TasBurrfoot

<blockquote rel="vhoythoy">Goodluck sa mga nagapply. Ako'y standby pa muna. Update2 nalang =)</blockquote>

bakit ka magstandby mr @vhoythoy?

vhoythoy

<blockquote rel="psychoboy"><blockquote rel="vhoythoy">Goodluck sa mga nagapply. Ako'y standby pa muna. Update2 nalang =)</blockquote>

bakit ka magstandby mr @vhoythoy?</blockquote>

May hinihintay lang akong mga pending applications at the moment. In few months/weeks time at walang nangyari, submit ko na documents ko visa processing application sa Australia. Ready naman na lahat. Wala pang assessment ng vetassess pero medyo confident ako ng konti dun. Pero ayoko muna maglabas ng pera. Around 65-70 rin yata estimated points ko for 189 kung sakali. Wag sana abutan ng July bago luminaw ang paroroonan. haha

On the other note, nakakadrain at stress din talaga ang pagaaply ng job nowadays.

wynx

@cylin

Its from May 2003 hanggang March 2007, after that nag abroad na ako dito Riyadh and im working here up to now.

cylin

<blockquote rel="wynx">@cylin

Its from May 2003 hanggang March 2007, after that nag abroad na ako dito Riyadh and im working here up to now.</blockquote>

@wynx...Do you mind if I ask kung ano po ang job title nyo jan sa Riyadh at why hindi po hindi tinanggap ng ICAA kahit na same job scope of an Accountant naman? Pasensya na po if makulit. :-)

dreambig

<blockquote rel="wynx">@filipinacpa

Hi @wynx! First, congrats sa Visa grant 😃

I have a question, you mentioned ICAA did not consider your work experience abroad because of your job title, did ICAA specifically mentioned that reason?

vhoythoy

In my point of view, its not about a job title or responsibilites per se. its more than that and must be a combination.

Being auditor for quite sometime i somehow perceived where the Assessor is coming from. Asessor mindset must be skeptic, kasi yan talaga ang work nila. Kadalasan magkaiba ang definition natin ng accountant at nila. Maari ding subjective sila depende sa evaluator. Ask and convince your self first, accountant ka nga ba talaga?

Strictly speaking ano ba ang accountant, in small companies sya yung in charge sa books/ records. handles consolidation (if applicable), prepares financial reports, journal entries, etc. In Big companies pwedeng marami sila, depending sa group or sections. Accountant talga dapat ang designation mo or lets say Finance Manager/ staff, Accounting Manager, accounting staff.

External audit job is closely related to accountant and parang may sarili din syang NOC sillsket so mas madali mag decide.

Pero for accounts executive or admin executive, job expectations or responsibilities is different. Lalo na yung admin executive all around yun eh kung ano iassign. It may provide support related to accounting, but he/she is not accountant per se. You really need to convince them. Pwede ko kasing isipin na nagsingit ka lang ng mga work related sa accounting. Minsan ganyan ako mag audit suspetyoso haha

Depende talaga kung gaano ka strict yung mag aassess tska kung ano talgang work ang ginawa mo at kung ano nilagay mong job descriptions. But still, kung mahigpit akong assesor pwede ko talga i turn down as accountant job.

wynx

@dreambig

unfortunately wala naman binanggit na ganun. sa result kasi ng assessment ang sinabi lang nila ay " The following claims of skilled employment equate to work at an appropriately skilled level as accountant", tapos naka specify ung work ko sa Pinas. About the job title, i only assumed it kasi walang "accountant or equivalent phrase" to it sa aking trabaho dito sa Riyadh.

dreambig

@wynx thanks heaps! 😉

vhoythoy

Well the truth is kahit ako nalilito na kung saan ako magpapassess (i.e Vetassess or CPAA) at kung anong skillset ang ipapasa ko (i.e. Accountant or Internal Audit) sa ngaun.

For the past 10 years kasi ang history ng work ko ay 1.5 years accounting, 3 years external audit, 2.5 years external audit firm pero sa advisory group, 2.5 years again sa external audit firm pero sa risk management dept naman, at currently 1.5 years internal audit. nagtake ako ng ielts (mistakenly booked acedemic instead of general training) at sa awa ng diyos umabot ng 7 naman.

Mas mahal yata sa vetassess at mas matagal compared sa cpaa/ica. Im really decided na talaga to pass my documents sa Australia, but all of a sudden i got a job offer in Canada. I have lots of friends/colleagues na nasa Accounting field sa Oz ngaun. Pati yung barkada ko sa dating audit firm dito sa Singapore pa Oz na rin. I really dont know what to do now.

Dumating na din ang point na napapagod na din ako sa Accounting field hahaha. parang gusto ko na tuloy magiba ng iba ng field like financial planning or operations.

Goodluck and Godbless mga Accountants sa Australia.

filipinacpa

Yung job title ko kaya as "Revenue Analyst" nung first job ko, ma-recognize kaya ito as closely related to Internal Auditor? Though, nakaspecific naman po dun na included yung payroll audit and i am under Audit and Budget Division. Lol

vhoythoy

<blockquote rel="filipinacpa">Yung job title ko kaya as "Revenue Analyst" nung first job ko, ma-recognize kaya ito as closely related to Internal Auditor? Though, nakaspecific naman po dun na included yung payroll audit and i am under Audit and Budget Division. Lol

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Unang tingin pwedeng hindi pero sabi nga pwede mo pa rin ma-i prove.

Kung mapapirmahan mo sa boss mo yung job descriptions detailing your responsibilities on COE and majority ng work mo is related sa internal audit good. Kung may organisation chart kang maisasama (signed and approved) na under ka sa Audit and budget division much better. But the catch for internal audit is in strictest sense, it must be independent sa management and operations and finance. Its functional reporting is directly to Audit Committee/BOD administrative reporting to CEO.

Remember that the assessor is from accounting body (i.e. CPAA, ICA, IPA) and most probably current/ previous accountant so they know what they are doing. They can be strict or not depending on their personal appreciation, threshold, or even mood.

For vetassess, if im the head of that organisation, yung mga internal audit applicants papaassess ko sa isang assessor na may knowledge sa internal audit talga to maintain integrity of my Company. And most probably thats what really happening in real scenario or else their reputation might be tarnished. Particular skills set might be assigned to those assessor na qualified mag assess for that field.

The point is put yourself on assessor shoes to gauge your chances.

Ang haba na ng sagot ko, anyways goodluck kaya mo yan. Basta submit lng ng mga relevant supporting documents tska explain mo mabuti =)

wynx

@filipinacpa

para hindi ka na masyadong maisip or mag alinlangan pa sa work experience mo, pa assess mo na lang sa Assessing Authorities, (ICAA, CPAA & IPA). If im right, in a general sense pare-pareho naman sila pagdating sa bagay na to. They wanted to assess if your skilled employment equate to work at an appropriately skilled level ng nominated occupation mo.

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