Accountant

mickey

hi to all! query lang po about COE from previous companies.. is it necessary na mag request ng bagong COE for this purpose? meron na po kasi ako mga lumang COE sa previous company ko pero walang detailed job desc ( which means i need to have a statutory declaration to support them) pero dapat po ba current date lahat ng COE or pwede na yung luma like dated 2011 - thanks po in advance sa magbibigay ng input 🙂

wynx

@mickey if i may answer, based on what i did, nag request ako ng bago COE from my previous employer, tapos kung papayag sila, kaw na lang gumawa nung detailed job description mo tapos ipapirma mo na lang. in that case, medyo marerelive p sila time and effort ng paggawa nun. im sure maiintindihan ka naman nila at tutulungan.

good luck. 🙂

lock_code2004

<blockquote rel="mickey">hi to all! query lang po about COE from previous companies.. is it necessary na mag request ng bagong COE for this purpose? meron na po kasi ako mga lumang COE sa previous company ko pero walang detailed job desc ( which means i need to have a statutory declaration to support them) pero dapat po ba current date lahat ng COE or pwede na yung luma like dated 2011 - thanks po in advance sa magbibigay ng input 🙂</blockquote>

pwede po ang lumang COE.. pero the question is, updated pa ba ang mga contact info dun in case mag verify ang assessing body mo? Kung oo, wlang problema...

of course you need to satisfy din ang detailed JD.. kasi un ang basis ng assessment mo..

whatever way you want to get it.. from the company or stat dec/affidavit signed by someone who can attest to your work exp..

wynx

@mickey

saang assessing authority mo b plano magsubmit? CPAA, ICAA, or IPA?

mickey

thanks to all for the input appreciate much! @wynx still contemplating between cpaa or ipa any suggestion po? 🙂

mickey

@lock_code2004 same pa din contact details ng mga previous company ko (thank God! ) kung gagawa po ako ng stat dec dapat po ba ipa sign ko pa sa previous managers (wala na kasi sila company) or notary public will do? Thanks in advance po..

lock_code2004

@mickey - ang general rule is kung hindi galing sa official HR ang JD mo, dapat someone na mas mataas ang position syo sa company na yun, pwede mag sign kahit wla na sila sa company na un..

although may mga gumagawa na self declaration lang, depende sa assessing agency kung tatangapin ang self declaration or not..
of course mas maganda na galing talga sa iba ang signature... read this thread from the start, nandyan lahat ng mga tips..

http://www.pinoyau.info/discussion/950/coe-without-detailed-job-description-and-other-supporting-documents/p1

mickey

@lock_code2004 thanks a lot po will read through.. have a lovely sunday 🙂

wynx

@mickey

based on what i did, nung nagwowork kasi ako sa Pinas, hindi p ganun kalaki ung company where I worked. Pero nung kumuha ako last year ng COE and JD pumirma ung 'Manager' nila although during my time there wala pa cya. Wala naman po naging kaso un sa ICAAA. Un nga lang po ay pirmado din nung President ung aking mga documents.

mickey

@wynx thanks for the input 🙂

wynx

@mickey you're welcome. btw, saang stage ka na po ba ng process? still completing your requirements? or nasa skill assessment stage ka na?

CPAGirl

hi.. meron ba sa inyo who experienced taking the Accounting Theory exam of CPAA?

Then once you've passed it, CPAA will only credit experiences after that (post qualification).

I have been working as a Financial Analyst since 2006. I took the exam in Dec2012 and dahil dun CPAA will only recognized my experience after Dec 2012. Thus, they did not accredit my prior years experience. Did you claim points for experience pa rin?

Thank you so much.

TasBurrfoot

<blockquote rel="CPAGirl">hi.. meron ba sa inyo who experienced taking the Accounting Theory exam of CPAA?

Then once you've passed it, CPAA will only credit experiences after that (post qualification).

Thank you so much.

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@CPAGirl - why did you take the Accounting Theory exam from CPAA?

From my understanding, some people take the above if they want to remedy a deficiency in their skills assessment (i.e. accounting theory lang kulang mo in order to get a positive skills assessment) - for cases such as this, logical lang na CPAA will only give you work experience AFTER you have completed your accounting theory deficiency.

Anyway, makikita mo naman kung ano ang dapat mong i-claim na points; they will indicate this in writing.

CPAGirl

hi psychoboy, thank you for your reply.

i took the exam kasi 11/12 ang initial assessment ko at etong accounting theory lang ang kulang at mandatory subject pa. yun nga ang concern ko, dahil last dec 2012 ko plang cya kinuha, wlang skilled employment ang nilagay sa akin ni CPAA. have you encountered anyone with the same experience in this post? nag claim kasi ako ng work experience even with this negative skilled employment assessment.

thank you.

sep 2012 - applied for cpaa skills assessement. negative due to accounting theory exam

dec 2012 - took the exam instead of providing additional documents

dec 2012 - received positive assessment from cpaa but zero skilled employment

can i still claim points for work experience?

thank you.

CPAGirl

kasi ang sabi sa site, DIAC ang may final say.. the skilled employment letter is just an advisory letter. also, according to the site, in cases that the assessing body will not recognize work experience, case officer will decide on the case. i hope there are those who can share their thoughts on this. maraming salamat. :-)

TasBurrfoot

<blockquote rel="CPAGirl">hi psychoboy, thank you for your reply.

thank you.

sep 2012 - applied for cpaa skills assessement. negative due to accounting theory exam

dec 2012 - took the exam instead of providing additional documents

dec 2012 - received positive assessment from cpaa but zero skilled employment

can i still claim points for work experience?

thank you.

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@CPAGirl - ok clearer now...

Back in December 2012; instead of taking the exam, you could have provided evidences in which you can convince CPAA that Accounting Theory was covered in your subjects in college. What I did for my wife was that I prepared a document in which I mapped out the subjects covered under Accounting Theory versus the subjects taken by my wife back in college. Kumbagi, since it is not covered under 1 subject, I did the hard way of proving to them that sufficient ang education ng wife ko to merit a positive assessment of skills sa CPAA.

But anyway, let's discuss on what you have done...

Can I still claim for work experience? I would say DON'T... Tama ka na DIAC is the sole authority to grant you points for work experience but you have to question yourself, kung CPAA nga (who is considered the authority for Accounting-related skills assessment) gave you zero work experience, paano mo ma convince ang DIAC to give you a few yrs of experience in order to claim points diba?

Ang mga tao sa DIAC, they are not experts in deciding whether or not a certain work experience can be credited or not hence they will more likely look upon the advise given by the assessing authorities.

My friend @wynx was not fully credited in his work experience by IPA - he did the right thing by claiming only what was assessed upon. Good thing for him though that he still reached the threshold which is 60pts.

The last thing we want to happen here is that you claim points for work experience that were not acknowledged by CPAA. DIAC will more likely side with CPAA on this matter and you will be in a very bad situation wherein you erroneously claimed for additional points not due to you. If such case happen, baka masayang lang yung A$3,060 mo...

If you don't mind me asking, how many points ka ba in all ex-work experience?

Cheers!! 🙂

mickey

@wynx still completing requirements also naka sched ako ng ielts this coming april.. focusing now sa review and praying for 8 for all sana

lock_code2004

@psychoboy @CPAGirl - sisingit po ako.. question, separate fee ba ang work experience assessment ng CPAA?

For @CPAGirl -

i was just wondering, baka kaya hindi ka nabigyan ng work experience assessment eh baka hindi ka nag-avail ng service?
meron pong mga accountant dito, na wala ding assessed work experience from CPAA but they got their visa, but its because their CPAA assessment was <u>done before Jul 2012</u>, when DIAC is not yet requiring assessment on the work experience by the assessing authority..
since Sept 2012 lang kayo nag start ng application, definitely you need to have that work exp assessment to claim points.

TasBurrfoot

<blockquote rel="lock_code2004">@psychoboy @CPAGirl - sisingit po ako.. question, separate fee ba ang work experience assessment ng CPAA?

For @CPAGirl -

i was just wondering, baka kaya hindi ka nabigyan ng work experience assessment eh baka hindi ka nag-avail ng service?
meron pong mga accountant dito, na wala ding assessed work experience from CPAA but they got their visa, but its because their CPAA assessment was <u>done before Jul 2012</u>, when DIAC is not yet requiring assessment on the work experience by the assessing authority..
since Sept 2012 lang kayo nag start ng application, definitely you need to have that work exp assessment to claim points.

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@lock_code2004 - work experience assessment is done free of charge by CPAA if you request.

I know where poster is coming from; at first kasi negative yung skills assessment nya as she lacked Accounting Theory. To remedy that, she took an exam with CPAA - immediately after passing she was given a positive skills assessment na.

Now here comes the problem, CPAA will only recognize your work assessment after gaining qualification - in the eyes of CPAA, @CPAGirl only gained qualification after she passed the examinations and gained positive skills assessment. With this, bale wala yung 7 yrs work experience nya dating back to 2006.

Sad tale but ganito talaga sila... Several similar sad stories in other forums related to this.

Cheers!!

wynx

@psychoboy little correction lang po. ICAA ang nag assess sa akin. hindi po IPA. 🙂

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