Canada Vs. Australia

krismar20

What can you say about this?

Regarding the lifestyle? rent? jobs?

Which is better in your opinion?

heycoachputmein

i've never been to Canada.

so my unbiased answer would be Canberra

bonvive

Canada has very harsh winters but Australia has very harsh summers. Just choose the lesser evil.

batman

bonvive said:

Canada has very harsh winters but Australia has very harsh summers. Just choose the lesser evil.

talo na Australia kasi may devil doon. Si Tasmanian devil )

GeorgeFowell

Australia is a great city to live, I was there and I just loved it... It's my opinion!!!

JC45

Interested if any answers

williamsons

I think both are great ! but in Australia there are an incredible weather, beach, nature etc

sensei

it all boils down to your wants. comparing this to that will not be sufficient

mhej

Australia for sure.

Weather - Harsh summer is manageable vs Harsh winter
Proximity - closer to PH, only 2-3 hour difference depending on DST. also, only an 8 hour flight.
Location - who wants to be near the US and Europe?? when the world goes into WW3, safe ang mga nasa Australia because we are protected by the seas.
Culture - I think same same. AU has the mate culture and Canada is known for their politeness.
Food - AU pa rin kahit hindi ko pa natitikman ang offerings ng Canada. hahaha! But compared to PH, lahat ng pagkain mas masarap dito sa AU.
Cost of Living - dito matatalo ang AU, I think. It's more affordable to own property in Canada, I heard.

TasBurrfoot

mhej said:

Cost of Living - dito matatalo ang AU, I think. It's more affordable to own property in Canada, I heard.

yeah property is cheaper because salary is lower as well...

dharweentm

Both country are good. In terms of benefits. Ang lamang lang tlga sa australia is that, ang daming promo fares pauwing pinas. Anjan ang cebupac airasia at pal. Kaya kung ma homesick ka. Kahit mag book ka ticket agad2 pauwi. Pwede. He he!

Davidx23

"It's more affordable to own property in Canada, I heard."

I think may issue sa Toronto, lalu na sa downtown area. Due to the lack of property devs, landlords can demand higher rents.

For ex. sa 1st yr of stay nyo sa isang condo unit ang charge is 800/mo. Then sa renewal contract for the secon year, bigla kang sisingilin ng 2K/mo. The 1st year is cheaper to lure in tenants pero tatagain ka sa second year. Napanuod ko lang sa mga expose ng CBC.

Dito sa CBD ng brissy, normal rent increase ay $10-20 per week (per week ang default bayaran ng rent) for the second year. Minsan pwdeng tawaran, minsan pwden mag request ng same lang ang rent

kat123

ok I'm naturalized Canadian and just recently moved here in Australia so I think I can comment. Ang masasabi ko lang I love Canada lol. Yes winters are harsh super harssssh like -40C sa city na pinaggalingan ko but nakakatipid ka kasi d ka makalabas. And then Canadians are really polite like super super nice. One week lng pa lng ako sa Sydney namiss ko na ang Canadians. Like twice kahapon may naksidente ako nabangga habang naglalakad nagsorry ako syempre tapos inirapan nya ako lol. Sa Canada pag ngyari un ssgot sila na It's ok!!! or minsan sila pa yung nagsosory kahit ikaw may kasalanan haha.

It is affordable there specially kung san ako nakatira. Hindi sya popular sa Canadians dhil extreme cold pero super dami ng Pinoys dun kaya dun una nagtayo ng Jollibee hehe. Affordable in a sense na lahat ng kapatid ko 3 sila may kanya kanyang bahay and mag fully paid na in in a couple of years. My aunts and uncles have 2 houses na din kasi paid off na yung mortgage nila and retired na sila so bakasyon bakasyon na lng din sa pinas every two years. Ako, I managed to save up to 50% of my monthly take home pay pero syempre super tipid non at wala akong car and I just a rent a room. Pero nagbakasyon nman ako accross Canada and the US and twice umuwi sa pinas so d ko nman din tinipid sarili ko. (sa 4 years kong tumira don)

Ang problem lng don kung san ako galing is konti ang mapaglilibangan mo esp pag winter kasi tatamarin kang lumabas dahil super lamig. Kaya ung mga houses don may basement. yung basement usually ginagawa nilang gaming room complete with everything na gusto mong gawin, billiards, pinpong etc. Yung iba nman dun ung basement pnapaayos nla na lagyan ng kitchen at washer at dryer pra parent naman nila. Work-life balance is ok din don. Gusto din nila focus ka sa family kaya I think ngayon balak pa nilang habaan ung parental leave from one year gawing 1.5 years.

Sobrang hilig din ng mga tao don sa bakasyon. Pag bakasyon as in one month at pupunta sila sa Mexico, Cuba, Jamaica, Bahamas or anywhere hot kaya very common na mawawala sila sa workplace ng one month ok lng yun. Yung ibang oldies din don may mga cabin sa lake so weekend dun nman sila magstay magfishing at boating. masaya na sila don. And normal lng din sa kanila magshopping sa US ng weekend kasi most cities sa Canada kayang kaya idrive ang US.

Sinubukan ko ung husband ko from Sydney na sya na lng lumipat don tnry ko ayaw nya. Kasi ayaw din non ng winter. Pero tuwang tuwa sya sa cheap food. super dami daw ng serving pati. And dinala ko sya sa 5 cities sa 5 provinces sa Canada nagandahan naman sya. Coffee sucks daw tho, pero like nman nya ang Tim Hortons and some of the beers and ice wines. Walang popular food ang Canada except for poutine na fries lang naman na may gravy at cheese curds.

Fun fact! Canada has the wealthiest middle class! Natalo na nya ang US as of 2015.
And also most Canadians don't like our Prime Minister. Personally, I like him. So many things na nagawa nya pabor sakin haha.

Mia

@kat123 Nice, your kids (and even you!) in the future will be Australian Canadians or Canadian Australians... best of both worlds, in my opinion. May free movement sila

kat123

@Mia I know! and filipino too kung gusto din nila haha. Kaya nga ininsist ko din sa hubby na hintayin na yung citizenship ko kasi sayang din. Pero lagi naming pinagaawayan un lol. 2 yrs din ata syang naghintay pero ayon buti naman natapos na din.

dyanisabelle

@kat123 nice sentiment. Yung mga kilala ko kasing nasa Canada lahat sila hindi happy dun at gusto na umuwi sa Pinas, puro work lang daw kasi, harsh winters, walang libangan masyado kaya nakakalungkot daw. But I guess it still depends on your individual experiences talaga, their experience do not speak for everyone's.

Ako naman natuwa ako sa pagiging polite ng mga Aussies. Mahilig sila mag sorry mag no worries at mag how are you. Hahaha. Of course, this is compared to Pinas, I'm sure ibang level ang politeness ng Canadians. Haha.

Mia

@dyanisabelle I wonder about that too (Australian kindness) kasi dito sa NZ they (not Kiwis, migrants) would say na hindi raw polite ang Aussies, racist minsan and di namamansin )

athelene

I've only been in Sydney for a month, but most of the people I've encountered (both Asian migrants and Caucasians) are nice naman. Nakakapanibago nga yung "how are you mate" whenever they greet you, minsan nakakalimutan ko magreply kasi d ko sure kung seryoso bang kinukumusta nila ako or what. hahaha.

@Mia sa NZ po ba mabait sila dyan?

Mia

@athelene yes they are minsan to a fault. Some are very intrusive... with small town mentality. Mahilig ang iba mag-chismis haha.

A lot would engage you kahit namimili lang kayo ng kung ano ano sa mga shops (like specialty shops).

athelene

@Mia ahahaha really? XD Even for a big city like Auckland, mahilig pala sila sa chismis hehehe. How do you react kung hindi nyo sila kilala and you don't want to share your life story with them? Do they get offended or they just leave you alone after?

dyanisabelle

@athelene super relate sa how are you. Hahahaha! Sinasanay ko nalang sarili ko mag "good. How are you?" back. Hahaha

athelene

@dyanisabelle hahaha sige nga masubukan nga yan. Baka over time masanay nalang din ako

Mia

@athelene Naku di ako taga-Auckland haha hindi ko lang yan nae-edit and IDK paano nagkaroon yan ng Auckland since taga-PH pa ako nung nag-sign up ako rito... Anyway if feel naman nilang di mo type mag-share they won't ask anymore... mas type nilang mag-chismis tungkol sa ibang tao imbes na mag-ask about yourself

tmasuncion

Canada is too far from Philippines, which means air tickets are costly too. hehehe but australia is nearer and budget airlines are always ready whenever you feel like visiting to your home land.

delorian

I think this time of the year, Canadians would probably want to be in Australia.

fruitys

Unique wildlife - you won't find kangaroos, emus, wombats or quokkas anywhere else

Online services - They're both good, but IMO Australian government websites are slightly better than the Canadian ones. There's also myGov and things getting integrated into it slowly but surely to become one login for everything government.

PBS - AU's Medicare edges out over Canada due to this. Nearly free/heavily subsidised meds. I'm not using it yet but I'm glad it's there when I'll need it.

Coffee - Australia's coffee scene is right up there with Italy, thanks to Italian immigrants in Melbourne. Aussies also invented the flat white, nuff said. If you really really like coffee you chose well in Australia. You will be absolutely spoiled here on how the coffee is so good.

Food - Beef is generally cheaper than pork, and dairy is relatively cheap (notice how big the milk section is on a grocery store)

Monies - Highest minimum wage in the world and no tipping is expected. Tradies/blue-collar work isn't stigmatised or classed as a "lower" type of work compared to other countries.

Culture - There's that chill laid back "she'll be right" culture. Australia also fully adopted the metric system so leave your calories and inches behind. On leave, Australia starts off with a minimum of 4 weeks leave right off the bat instead of leaving it to states/provinces to decide.

Beaches/nature - No question if you're more of the beach type than the ski/snowboarding type. Need something to fill up your Instagram feed? Pop over to one of the many beaches along the coast and point your camera anywhere. If you want to see snow you can always go to NZ, Japan, or one of the local Aussie resorts up in the mountains like Thredbo.

moe_greene

I think one thing to consider here also is job opportunities for white collar workers. I have so many friends, peers, colleagues, etc. who chose Canada and when they arrived, they have problem looking for jobs inline with their current profession or work in the Philippines.

That's because Canada, WES or any education assessment body by Canada doesn't fully recognize Philippine education. If they do, it will not be fully recognized but partial. Some employers also prefer immigrants to get Canadian education first before embarking on white collar jobs. What usually happen to new immigrants is they take blue collar job, labor job, etc. and then take classes on the side for their Canadian education. Before they can even get a white collar job inline with their profession/work in the Philippines.

For me, I don't want to go through that. My parents don't want me to go through that, a blue collar job or a labor job, etc. That's why I chose Australia, all of my friends, peers and colleagues who went there have the same job as in the Philippines. Their education has been recognized by Australia. I would rather take risk in becoming an Australian citizen first, and then trying to go to Canada for work or vacation. Australians have a lot of opportunities and benefits in Canada and vice versa. They're just making it hard for 3rd world countries like Philippines or India to go to Canada.

This is my opinion only, and the decision is all upto you in the end.

moe_greene

Anyone here who has tried to apply both for Australia and Canada? How difficult was it?

athelene

@moe_greene said:
I think one thing to consider here also is job opportunities for white collar workers. I have so many friends, peers, colleagues, etc. who chose Canada and when they arrived, they have problem looking for jobs inline with their current profession or work in the Philippines.

That's because Canada, WES or any education assessment body by Canada doesn't fully recognize Philippine education. If they do, it will not be fully recognized but partial. Some employers also prefer immigrants to get Canadian education first before embarking on white collar jobs. What usually happen to new immigrants is they take blue collar job, labor job, etc. and then take classes on the side for their Canadian education. Before they can even get a white collar job inline with their profession/work in the Philippines.

For me, I don't want to go through that. My parents don't want me to go through that, a blue collar job or a labor job, etc. That's why I chose Australia, all of my friends, peers and colleagues who went there have the same job as in the Philippines. Their education has been recognized by Australia. I would rather take risk in becoming an Australian citizen first, and then trying to go to Canada for work or vacation. Australians have a lot of opportunities and benefits in Canada and vice versa. They're just making it hard for 3rd world countries like Philippines or India to go to Canada.

This is my opinion only, and the decision is all upto you in the end.

Are you already in Australia? Because what you just said about the difficulty in finding white collar job in Canada is likely to happen in Australia too. Yes, your overseas qualification may be recognized, pero hahanapan ka ng local work experience. As a migrant, it'll be hard to find that first job (it's a catch-22 issue).

I don't know much about Canadian culture and how people see blue collar jobs, but in Australia, a blue collar job is still a decent and dignified job. It's only people from third world countries like the Philippines who look down on those kind of jobs, because that's been ingrained in that culture. If you are planning to migrate to Australia, you should be more open-minded with what kind of jobs you are willing to take. I'm not saying that you should do blue collar jobs when you come to Australia, but what I mean is you leave the mindset or mentality about looking down on blue collar jobs in the Philippines.

I used to think the same way as you, but having worked in retail for over a year, I realized that it's actually not as bad as I imagined. It pays the bills and I don't have to think about work when I get home. As a casual employee, I can turn down or swap shifts with others if I have other commitments. I have the freedom to work as little or as many hours as I want. My employer pays super on top of my hourly rate; I get staff discount on products in our store. Of course there are KPIs to meet, and occasionally difficult customers to deal with, but overall I've enjoyed working in retail.

I've looked at the hourly rate of retail workers and compared it to my industry (architecture), and working in retail actually pays almost the same as working the regular office job (higher rate pa sa weekends). You'd be surprised how much blue collar workers (especially the tradies) earn in a year.

moe_greene

@athelene said:

@moe_greene said:
I think one thing to consider here also is job opportunities for white collar workers. I have so many friends, peers, colleagues, etc. who chose Canada and when they arrived, they have problem looking for jobs inline with their current profession or work in the Philippines.

That's because Canada, WES or any education assessment body by Canada doesn't fully recognize Philippine education. If they do, it will not be fully recognized but partial. Some employers also prefer immigrants to get Canadian education first before embarking on white collar jobs. What usually happen to new immigrants is they take blue collar job, labor job, etc. and then take classes on the side for their Canadian education. Before they can even get a white collar job inline with their profession/work in the Philippines.

For me, I don't want to go through that. My parents don't want me to go through that, a blue collar job or a labor job, etc. That's why I chose Australia, all of my friends, peers and colleagues who went there have the same job as in the Philippines. Their education has been recognized by Australia. I would rather take risk in becoming an Australian citizen first, and then trying to go to Canada for work or vacation. Australians have a lot of opportunities and benefits in Canada and vice versa. They're just making it hard for 3rd world countries like Philippines or India to go to Canada.

This is my opinion only, and the decision is all upto you in the end.

Are you already in Australia? Because what you just said about the difficulty in finding white collar job in Canada is likely to happen in Australia too. Yes, your overseas qualification may be recognized, pero hahanapan ka ng local work experience. As a migrant, it'll be hard to find that first job (it's a catch-22 issue).

I don't know much about Canadian culture and how people see blue collar jobs, but in Australia, a blue collar job is still a decent and dignified job. It's only people from third world countries like the Philippines who look down on those kind of jobs, because that's been ingrained in that culture. If you are planning to migrate to Australia, you should be more open-minded with what kind of jobs you are willing to take. I'm not saying that you should do blue collar jobs when you come to Australia, but what I mean is you leave the mindset or mentality about looking down on blue collar jobs in the Philippines.

I used to think the same way as you, but having worked in retail for over a year, I realized that it's actually not as bad as I imagined. It pays the bills and I don't have to think about work when I get home. As a casual employee, I can turn down or swap shifts with others if I have other commitments. I have the freedom to work as little or as many hours as I want. My employer pays super on top of my hourly rate; I get staff discount on products in our store. Of course there are KPIs to meet, and occasionally difficult customers to deal with, but overall I've enjoyed working in retail.

I've looked at the hourly rate of retail workers and compared it to my industry (architecture), and working in retail actually pays almost the same as working the regular office job (higher rate pa sa weekends). You'd be surprised how much blue collar workers (especially the tradies) earn in a year.

To each his own. But I beg to disagree on this one.

I've done thorough research on this one, and I believe this is based on your industry. In my industry, I've seen colleagues who worked blue collar jobs in Canada while furthering their studies in order to get white collar jobs after graduating. While for those who immigrated to Australia, they did not go through that at all. All of them were able to settle smoothly in Australia and were able to work in their white collar jobs they had in the Philippines.

Again, I don't have anything against blue collar jobs, they're an honest way of living compared to selling drugs or doing other criminal activities to earn money. But I got a college degree in order to work a white collar job and I worked hard for it. Finding out that what's usually happens in Canada, I don't want to go there and go through that. I'd rather stay in the Philippines.

It's based on industry or maybe based on your case, I don't you know your whole story.

athelene

@moe_greene said:
To each his own. But I beg to disagree on this one.

I've done thorough research on this one, and I believe this is based on your industry. In my industry, I've seen colleagues who worked blue collar jobs in Canada while furthering their studies in order to get white collar jobs after graduating. While for those who immigrated to Australia, they did not go through that at all. All of them were able to settle smoothly in Australia and were able to work in their white collar jobs they had in the Philippines.

Again, I don't have anything against blue collar jobs, they're an honest way of living compared to selling drugs or doing other criminal activities to earn money. But I got a college degree in order to work a white collar job and I worked hard for it. Finding out that what's usually happens in Canada, I don't want to go there and go through that. I'd rather stay in the Philippines.

It's based on industry or maybe based on your case, I don't you know your whole story.

I don't know your story as well, so maybe it is based on the industry, so I'll leave it at that. If the PH degree is recognized here and you don't need to do further study to get industry work, that's good news for you then.

From the migration trends nowadays, it seems like it's easier to migrate to Canada, especially if you have studied and worked there, because it means you can qualify for a different stream (CEC instead of just the FSW). In Australia, you get points for studying and working here, but your profile is still in the same pool of profiles as those from overseas. Canada's EE systems invites people with profiles meeting the minimum points, with no preference/prioritization based on the nominated occupation, whereas with Australia, they have an allocated number of invites for particular occupations (and the profiles with the highest points get invited).