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Hi Jar, salamat. actually napirmahan naman ng manager ko na (kasi barkada ko yung manager ko dati). pero parang ang tema kasi ng 2.8, as long as manager or colleague, need parin ipanotarize. tama ba? i thought kasi nung una counted na sya as authorized person.
nung pinasa mo, nilagyan mo parin ng letterhead ng company, tapos signed by the manager and notarized. so bale isang form nalang lahat? may iba kasi ako nakita nagpasa ng RnR lang, then another attachment is affidavit naman tapos stated din yung roles etc.
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Hi. help naman po. if my manager was the one who signed the Roles and Responsibilities, do I still need to do statement of declaration? so in shore papanotarize ko lang here as Philippines? yung iba kasing nakita ko separate affidavit pa. so pwede bang young RnR ko nalang yung papanotarize ko with the format na suggested in section 2.8?
I assume na yung company mo can't provide Employment Reference..kaya ka mag Statutory Declaration/Affidavit..sa case ko since nasa ibang bansa yung reporting manager ko ginawa ko nagprepare ako ng Affidavit hindi lng yung roles and responsibilities yung content kundi lahat ng required sa section2.8 yun ang nandun sa Affidavit.
sinend ko sa kanya naka pdf file for signature..then binalik niya sakin saka ko pinanotarise dito sa PH. hiningan ko din siya ng COE and ID (required kc sa notaryo sa experience ko)..
Kung may company letterhead, no need na ipanotaryo. Pinapanotaryo kapag galing sa manager o colleague and hindi sya official document from the company.
Kung di ka na dadaan sa HR, might as well just do statdec then notarize. Appropriate ba yung paggamit ng company letterhead na walang HR signatory?
Letter from HR or manager on letterhead is acceptable. You only use stat dec when the signatory is no longer working in the company.
madali kasi maglagay ng company letterhead. hehehe. nagcompany letterhead ako then pinasign ko sa manager ko. pero may mga nagsabi na pag hindi HR ang magsign at manager/colleague lang better to do the notarize.
I wonder kung anong ibig nyang sabihin na madali maglagay ng letterhead -- like edit lang ba sa document or what. Kasi sakin, nasa company pa yung signatory ko, pero malinaw yung letter na bigay ng company na di sila nagpoprovide ng document na may kasamang roles and responsibilities. Yun ang reason bakit ako nag statdec / affidavit, para mailagay yung roles and responsibilities ko sa papel.
It’s because likely you asked for a Coe. You need to ask for en employment reference letter. Google what these two are, you’ll see the difference. There’s no need to do a stat dec just to add those tasks in the letter. A simple letter from HR or manager will work. That’s what we do to All the cases we handle.
oh, I don't know if employment reference letter exists in the PH, anyone na from ACN, baka meron sa inyong may reference letter?
Employment reference and COE are universal/generic terms used in any country. All our Filipino clients are able to provide such documents. COE is COE whichever country you go and same with employment reference letter. If a company, out of policy forbids superiors from writing a reference letter on the company letterhead, then a stat dec must then be done. We find such circumstance a lot for all our clients who work in Accenture in Philippines. If you refer to the guideline, ACS there were instances where they referred to employment reference and to employment certificate. Clearly there is a difference between the two, this can be verified by simply googling CoE vs employment reference letter.
I beg to differ, though, specifically the part above on employment reference. Yung CoE yes, standard naman sya so far sa lahat rin ng employments ko.
As many of us mentioned, evidently not everywhere the term "employment reference" is known. Hindi gets agad agad pag sinabi lang na "employment reference". There is a need to explain it to the person we are requesting it from.
Based on the web, CoE seems to be universally coming from the HR of a company. Simple format stating that one is employed by a company. While employment reference may come from someone higher in the ladder to write about the one requesting it that generally describes the responsibilities carried out and other pertinent details about the employment. More like character reference or recommendation nga sya.
But anyway, as I previously mentioned, mahalaga naman e makuha yung content na required ng ACS. Yun talaga yun. 😃
That’s correct, the important part is the content should be as per ACS.
I believe that’s what I’ve been saying all along in this discussion. That the employment reference letter doesn’t have to come from HR, it will also work from manager/colleague. No need for stat dec. COE follows a format but employment reference doesn’t. It contains the content of the COE plus anything about the employment, it could contain character reference, recommendation but definitely should have the job description in it. Hence the reason why ACS guidelines specified what exactly should be in it. It doesn’t ask for an employment certificate but used the terminology employment reference for that reason. Yes of course, one needs to explain what exactly should be on the employment reference letter given that as mentioned above there is no specific format for this. The problem arises when one uses the terminology COE when actually it’s the employment reference letter that they need. That’s when HR would usually say the company has a standard format to it because it does but a reference letter doesn’t. As a result, the employee would then be surprised that he’s been told there is a format for the COE when actually he’s referring to a reference letter - will automatically think it’s a road block when actually it’s just the terminology used that got misinterpreted.
It’s this simple…when one is asked for COE the first thing that comes to mind is to confirm that the person is employed in that company by stating the dates and job title…but if one is asked for an employment reference letter, first question that comes into mind is what do you want me to put in there - because there is no format to it. One knows what it is but needs to be told what it’s for and what should be on it.
The tip is, one can spare himself from further explaining and inconveniencing the referrer by creating a draft of the letter and explaining that such needs to be in the letter when handing it over for signature. Makes both of their lives easier - referee doesn’t need to further explain and referrer doesn’t have to spend much time thinking what to say, just have to read it and if he agrees would then sign it. Job done 😉
