Civil Engineers Thread

IamTim

@cvlantonov said:

@IamTim said:

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@cvlantonov said:

@IamTim said:

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@IamTim said:

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@marvinreds said:

@Lightyear05 said:
Hello. Good day.

Question 1: Should I opt for VETASESS or Enginners Australia for my skills asessment?
ANZSCO CODE: 312211 - Civil Engineering Draftsperson

Question 2: Meron po bang bearing kung ano sa dalawang asessing body na to ang mag check ng credentials?

Meron akong positive assessment sa Vetassess as CE draftsperson (7.5 yrs experience) and as professional engineer CE sa EA (walang years deduction sa EA).

Sa Vetassess na lang if draftsperson, kasi cheaper and easier kasi wala na CDR. pero may deduction ang vetassess ng 1 year work experience..

I think wala namang bearing kung anong assessing body. parehas namang recognized ng DHA.

By the way nainvite ako sa Visa 189 sa Vetassess draftsperson nung Aug 22.

Same! I got invited nung Aug 22 with CE draftsperson. Mababa points ko kaya hindi ko talaga expected na mainvite ako sa visa 189. I was actually looking at visa 190/491.

As per my agent a year ago (hanggang ngayon naman siguro), mataas ang kompetensya pag Civil Engineer ang occupation at mas may chance ma-invite ang Civil Engineering draftsperson.

Mas may chance ma-invite > @cvlantonov said:

@songhyeky0 said:
Wrong information yan kabayan. Only Engineers Australia can assess ANZSCO 233211 o Civil Engineer occupation. VETASSESS cannot assess 233211.

okay. salamat po. So EAUST nlng ako. salamat. Anyway ang nominated occupation ko ay 312211 Civil Engineering Draftsperson

sa Vetassess pwede yang CE draftsperson, 10days yung fast track nila. No need CDR

I see. Pero pag vetassess required ng drawing portfolio db? ang problema ko ksi, pag vetassess ako hnd ko makukuha ung gawa ko from my previous company dahil sa Non disclosure agreement nila.

Ang ginawa ko nagpasa lang ako 3 to 5 drawings per company na walang sign/endorsement. Pinili ko mga sheets na nakalagay initials ko sa drawn by. Syempre di mo na ipapaalam sa company yan hehe

I see. Bigla ko naalala lang ksi ung dto sa office namin sa Japan, hnd ko name ung nakalagay sa drawing. yung name ng lead ko. possible kaya kahit hnd ko name nakalagay.

If required tlga ng name ko, naisip ko palitan ko nlng kaya since secret ko lng din nmn ilalabas yung drwing

Hindi ko sure yung sa drawn by, pinili ko lang talaga yung merong initials ko. Pero kung sa lead nakapangalan, ok lang siguro yun. May ibang supporting documents pa naman na magsasabing nagwork ka talaga sa company at certain role.

Sabagay, tingnan ko nlng kung ano maganda gawin. Ilang company po b napasukan nyo? each company nagsubmit kayo ng drwing portfolio nyo? Tapos representative lng/company? Hnd nmn need na per project db?

Yes bawat company na may design/drafting roles na napasukan ko, nagsubmit ako ng 3 to 5 sheets. Yung pinasa ko 1 project per company tsaka pinili ko lang. Plans, sections, profile and details para may variety.

Ocge noted yan. Sabi ksi skin ng agent ko, ako daw pipili kung sino ang assessing authority ko. hehe

salamat po!!

Kapag Ce draftsperson pwede po sa EA at vetassess.

cvlantonov

@IamTim said:

@cvlantonov said:

@IamTim said:

@cvlantonov said:

@IamTim said:

@cvlantonov said:

@IamTim said:

@cvlantonov said:

@IamTim said:

@IamTim said:

@marvinreds said:

@Lightyear05 said:
Hello. Good day.

Question 1: Should I opt for VETASESS or Enginners Australia for my skills asessment?
ANZSCO CODE: 312211 - Civil Engineering Draftsperson

Question 2: Meron po bang bearing kung ano sa dalawang asessing body na to ang mag check ng credentials?

Meron akong positive assessment sa Vetassess as CE draftsperson (7.5 yrs experience) and as professional engineer CE sa EA (walang years deduction sa EA).

Sa Vetassess na lang if draftsperson, kasi cheaper and easier kasi wala na CDR. pero may deduction ang vetassess ng 1 year work experience..

I think wala namang bearing kung anong assessing body. parehas namang recognized ng DHA.

By the way nainvite ako sa Visa 189 sa Vetassess draftsperson nung Aug 22.

Same! I got invited nung Aug 22 with CE draftsperson. Mababa points ko kaya hindi ko talaga expected na mainvite ako sa visa 189. I was actually looking at visa 190/491.

As per my agent a year ago (hanggang ngayon naman siguro), mataas ang kompetensya pag Civil Engineer ang occupation at mas may chance ma-invite ang Civil Engineering draftsperson.

Mas may chance ma-invite > @cvlantonov said:

@songhyeky0 said:
Wrong information yan kabayan. Only Engineers Australia can assess ANZSCO 233211 o Civil Engineer occupation. VETASSESS cannot assess 233211.

okay. salamat po. So EAUST nlng ako. salamat. Anyway ang nominated occupation ko ay 312211 Civil Engineering Draftsperson

sa Vetassess pwede yang CE draftsperson, 10days yung fast track nila. No need CDR

I see. Pero pag vetassess required ng drawing portfolio db? ang problema ko ksi, pag vetassess ako hnd ko makukuha ung gawa ko from my previous company dahil sa Non disclosure agreement nila.

Ang ginawa ko nagpasa lang ako 3 to 5 drawings per company na walang sign/endorsement. Pinili ko mga sheets na nakalagay initials ko sa drawn by. Syempre di mo na ipapaalam sa company yan hehe

I see. Bigla ko naalala lang ksi ung dto sa office namin sa Japan, hnd ko name ung nakalagay sa drawing. yung name ng lead ko. possible kaya kahit hnd ko name nakalagay.

If required tlga ng name ko, naisip ko palitan ko nlng kaya since secret ko lng din nmn ilalabas yung drwing

Hindi ko sure yung sa drawn by, pinili ko lang talaga yung merong initials ko. Pero kung sa lead nakapangalan, ok lang siguro yun. May ibang supporting documents pa naman na magsasabing nagwork ka talaga sa company at certain role.

Sabagay, tingnan ko nlng kung ano maganda gawin. Ilang company po b napasukan nyo? each company nagsubmit kayo ng drwing portfolio nyo? Tapos representative lng/company? Hnd nmn need na per project db?

Yes bawat company na may design/drafting roles na napasukan ko, nagsubmit ako ng 3 to 5 sheets. Yung pinasa ko 1 project per company tsaka pinili ko lang. Plans, sections, profile and details para may variety.

Ocge noted yan. Sabi ksi skin ng agent ko, ako daw pipili kung sino ang assessing authority ko. hehe

salamat po!!

Kapag Ce draftsperson pwede po sa EA at vetassess.

Oo nga eh.kaya cguro pinapili ako hehe. anyway, May I know kung ano agency gamit mo?

RheaMARN1171933

@se29m said:

@Lez_ said:

@se29m said:

@Lez_ said:
hello po. I'm planning to go to Australia I'm a Civil engineering graduate with 4 yrs experience of work but not yet license. ano po ba ang mas ok na way? Student visa muna or mag apply for 189 or 190? Thank you po.

wala din po ako licence.. ang maipayo ko is direct PR na either 189 or 190.

thank you po. tanong ko lang din po, ano po yung nagiging factors bakit negative ang nagiging Result sa VETASSESS and yung sa EA nyo po as Professional Engineer po ba yung pina assess nyo? Thank you po

Di ko din sure bakit ako nag negative nun. dahil di ako confident at first na maging positive sa EA dahil di ako licensed and most work experiences ko nun ay project management/supervision kaya sa Vetassess ako nagpasa as a Project Builder. Pero yun nga, nag negative sa Vetassess kaya tried my luck sa EA and got the positive assessment.

Without knowing the details, I could just but > @cvlantonov said:

Good Day sa mga fellow Civil Engineers po dyan. I'm just new here sa Pinoyau. info

Ask ko lang san po maganda magpa assess? sa EAUST or VETASSESS? Kasi sabi sakin ng agent ko ako daw pipili kung san ko gusto mag pa assess. Hingi lang po sana ako ng advice. Thank you

@cvlantonov said:

@songhyeky0 said:
Wrong information yan kabayan. Only Engineers Australia can assess ANZSCO 233211 o Civil Engineer occupation. VETASSESS cannot assess 233211.

okay. salamat po. So EAUST nlng ako. salamat. Anyway ang nominated occupation ko ay 312211 Civil Engineering Draftsperson

Better off with VETASSESS. Less tedious than EA

nashmacoy101

Hello engineers, magtatanong lang ako ng salary range around Sydney and surrounding CBD! I am starting to look opportunities na kasi para lang alam ko kung ung expected ko ba is within the range. I have 10yrs exp but no local exp yet in Australia. Thank you sa mga magshishare.

kylene_pink

Hello any contract administrator here n ngpaassess via vetassess?

viyane

Hi good day. may naka-experience na po dito ng similar case sa'kin?

1) Civil Engineer (Site/Office Engr) = 2yrs 8months
2) Senior Estimator fpr Aluminum Cladding = 2yrs+ (current work)

San po dapat magpa-assess, Engineers Australia or VETASSESS?

Salamat po sa sasagot.

stihlce12

@viyane said:
Hi good day. may naka-experience na po dito ng similar case sa'kin?

1) Civil Engineer (Site/Office Engr) = 2yrs 8months
2) Senior Estimator fpr Aluminum Cladding = 2yrs+ (current work)

San po dapat magpa-assess, Engineers Australia or VETASSESS?

Salamat po sa sasagot.

@viyane said:
Hi good day. may naka-experience na po dito ng similar case sa'kin?

1) Civil Engineer (Site/Office Engr) = 2yrs 8months
2) Senior Estimator fpr Aluminum Cladding = 2yrs+ (current work)

San po dapat magpa-assess, Engineers Australia or VETASSESS?

Salamat po sa sasagot.

@viyane said:
Hi good day. may naka-experience na po dito ng similar case sa'kin?

1) Civil Engineer (Site/Office Engr) = 2yrs 8months
2) Senior Estimator fpr Aluminum Cladding = 2yrs+ (current work)

San po dapat magpa-assess, Engineers Australia or VETASSESS?

Salamat po sa sasagot.

Civil Engineer 233211 only Engineer Australia can assess. Construction Estimator Vetassess can asess. But if i were you can translate being estimator under Civil Eng, meaning you can translate all experience under Civil Eng Occupation. Civil eng under ANZSCO code is too broad one of its unit group is QS (estimator)

athelene

@nashmacoy101 said:
Hello engineers, magtatanong lang ako ng salary range around Sydney and surrounding CBD! I am starting to look opportunities na kasi para lang alam ko kung ung expected ko ba is within the range. I have 10yrs exp but no local exp yet in Australia. Thank you sa mga magshishare.

Usually with new migrants you'd be starting from scratch, so you could be looking at entry-level pay at first because you don't have local experience (your overseas experience may not factor in until you gain local experience).

I'm not an engineer in Sydney, but for entry-level/fresh grad roles I would expect somewhere around $ 60k-75k. Then you can just negotiate for a higher pay once you've gained some local experience.

https://payscale.com/research/AU/Job=Civil_Engineer/Salary/f0c113a6/Sydney

jjampong

@EricTC said:
@Lez_

I'm a Structural Engineer but just to add sa paggawa ng CDR, here are my key points and what I've written:

1. Career episodes:
   1st - First company (Research & development project)
   2nd - First company (One major project)
   3rd - Second company (All significant project involvements)
   *I am only employed in 2 structural engineering firms in a span of 6 years

2. Introduction & Background

• Tell your position, start date, and location of company
• Tell your duties & responsibilities
• Show organizational chart of the company, also highlighting your position

3. Content/Body

• Tell specific projects wherein you exhibit all of the needed factors as outlined in the "Summary Report"
• Explain the complexity of the projects
• Show clips of floor plans, diagram from code standards, spreadsheets you have created, structural models you have created using engineering softwares, details you have created
• Always use the first person noun/pronoun, "I did", "I have created', etc
• Cite specific problems you have solved and/or unable to solve
• Cite how you manage junior engineers if you hold senior role
• Cite not only technical skills but also leadership & management skills as well as how you show good ethics and right conduct in the performance of your role

4. Summary

• Summarize your key duties/objectives and how you manage to achieve them

...

In doing so, I was able to received positive result from EA within 20days (fast track route)

Hi Sir. Baka pwede po makahingi ng sample cdr nyo. I'm also a structural engineer! Thanks.

cvlantonov

May chance ba mainvite ang 75 points for visa 189 or visa 190?

nominated job ko po ay civil draftsperson

IamTim

@cvlantonov said:
May chance ba mainvite ang 75 points for visa 189 or visa 190?

nominated job ko po ay civil draftsperson

May invitation round for Visa 189 nung August 2022 na nag-invite ng CE draftsperson with 65 points and above.

cvlantonov

Question: Ang nominated job ko pa ay Civil Engineering draftsperson.
1st company ko ang work scope ko ay structural engineering
2nd company ko nman structural engineering, 3D modelling and detailing

makakakuha kaya ako ng positive outcome sa EA? ksi ung nominated ko draftsperson, pero ung experience ko combination ng both.

Thanks

cvlantonov

@IamTim said:

@cvlantonov said:
May chance ba mainvite ang 75 points for visa 189 or visa 190?

nominated job ko po ay civil draftsperson

May invitation round for Visa 189 nung August 2022 na nag-invite ng CE draftsperson with 65 points and above.

Salamat!!

cvlantonov

@cvlantonov said:
Question: Ang nominated job ko pa ay Civil Engineering draftsperson.
1st company ko ang work scope ko ay structural engineering
2nd company ko nman structural engineering, 3D modelling and detailing

makakakuha kaya ako ng positive outcome sa EA? ksi ung nominated ko draftsperson, pero ung experience ko combination ng both.

Thanks

Continuation

Bale ang ginawa ko sa CDR ko ganito

Episode 1: purely structural engineering. siningit ko lng na nag hand sketch ako ng details at nagcheck ng drawings. tpos sa summary sinet up ko na "im interested sa drafting..."

Episode 2: Structural Engineering with 3D modelling and detailing

Episode 3: Purely 3D modelling and detailing

okay na kaya yun? any advice po. thanks

annedetermined

@cvlantonov said:
Good Day sa mga fellow Civil Engineers po dyan. I'm just new here sa Pinoyau. info

Ask ko lang san po maganda magpa assess? sa EAUST or VETASSESS? Kasi sabi sakin ng agent ko ako daw pipili kung san ko gusto mag pa assess. Hingi lang po sana ako ng advice. Thank you

Ano po bang specific occupation / designation niyo? Kung Civil Engineer or closely related in general po, sa EA po kayo magpa-assess.> @viyane said:

Hi good day. may naka-experience na po dito ng similar case sa'kin?

1) Civil Engineer (Site/Office Engr) = 2yrs 8months
2) Senior Estimator fpr Aluminum Cladding = 2yrs+ (current work)

San po dapat magpa-assess, Engineers Australia or VETASSESS?

Salamat po sa sasagot.

Hi. This is possible po. It all depends on how you frame your CDR.

My experience breakdown is like this:

PIC (Project-inCharge): 1yr+
QS: 3yrs+
Project Engr: 1yr+

Positive naman ang outcome as: Professional Engineer and Civil Engineer ang nominated occupation. Under EA yan.

Ilapit niyo lang po siguro yung job #2 niyo (estimator) sa description ng Civil Engineer para makasama siya sa assessment.

jjampong

@cvlantonov said:

@cvlantonov said:
Question: Ang nominated job ko pa ay Civil Engineering draftsperson.
1st company ko ang work scope ko ay structural engineering
2nd company ko nman structural engineering, 3D modelling and detailing

makakakuha kaya ako ng positive outcome sa EA? ksi ung nominated ko draftsperson, pero ung experience ko combination ng both.

Thanks

Continuation

Bale ang ginawa ko sa CDR ko ganito

Episode 1: purely structural engineering. siningit ko lng na nag hand sketch ako ng details at nagcheck ng drawings. tpos sa summary sinet up ko na "im interested sa drafting..."

Episode 2: Structural Engineering with 3D modelling and detailing

Episode 3: Purely 3D modelling and detailing

okay na kaya yun? any advice po. thanks

Hi sir. Baka pwede po makahingi ng cdr nyo for reference lang po. And also, baket draftperson po yung pinili nyo hindi structuran engineer?

engineerrj

good day meron po ba ditong structural engineer yung position nila pero civil engineer yung chosen profession sa EA skills assessment? my dilemma is structural engineer yung experience ko for 2 years pero, civil engineer experience ako sa first job ko not structural. I'm considering to choose civil engineer sa EA skills assessment ko para considered na sa RSEA yung sa first job ko and under civil engineer parin naman ang "structural engineer"? parang more general?. asking for your insights thank you in advance.

jjampong

Question po. Meron po akong 3 years experience working in australian company pero offshore po. Macoconsider po ba yon as experience working in AU? Para pandagdag din po sana ng points. Thanks

MLBS

@jjampong said:
Question po. Meron po akong 3 years experience working in australian company pero offshore po. Macoconsider po ba yon as experience working in AU? Para pandagdag din po sana ng points. Thanks

Onshore dapat ang experience

jjampong

@MLBS said:

@jjampong said:
Question po. Meron po akong 3 years experience working in australian company pero offshore po. Macoconsider po ba yon as experience working in AU? Para pandagdag din po sana ng points. Thanks

Onshore dapat ang experience

Oh okay po. Sayang naman. Even though lahat ng mga projects na gnawa ko is in australia?

MLBS

@jjampong said:

@MLBS said:

@jjampong said:
Question po. Meron po akong 3 years experience working in australian company pero offshore po. Macoconsider po ba yon as experience working in AU? Para pandagdag din po sana ng points. Thanks

Onshore dapat ang experience

Oh okay po. Sayang naman. Even though lahat ng mga projects na gnawa ko is in australia?

Yeah I'm pretty sure. Pag nag claim ka ng work experience magsusubmit ka ng docs e. So dun palang makikita na offshore ka. Saw this on the immi page as well

jjampong

@MLBS said:

@jjampong said:

@MLBS said:

@jjampong said:
Question po. Meron po akong 3 years experience working in australian company pero offshore po. Macoconsider po ba yon as experience working in AU? Para pandagdag din po sana ng points. Thanks

Onshore dapat ang experience

Oh okay po. Sayang naman. Even though lahat ng mga projects na gnawa ko is in australia?

Yeah I'm pretty sure. Pag nag claim ka ng work experience magsusubmit ka ng docs e. So dun palang makikita na offshore ka. Saw this on the immi page as well

Saan ko po ito exactly makikita? Thanks po.

MLBS

@jjampong said:

@MLBS said:

@jjampong said:

@MLBS said:

@jjampong said:
Question po. Meron po akong 3 years experience working in australian company pero offshore po. Macoconsider po ba yon as experience working in AU? Para pandagdag din po sana ng points. Thanks

Onshore dapat ang experience

Oh okay po. Sayang naman. Even though lahat ng mga projects na gnawa ko is in australia?

Yeah I'm pretty sure. Pag nag claim ka ng work experience magsusubmit ka ng docs e. So dun palang makikita na offshore ka. Saw this on the immi page as well

Saan ko po ito exactly makikita? Thanks po.

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/tools-and-resources/library/K600417_Employees-working-overseas#:~:text=An Australian-based employee is,of work is in Australia.

RheaMARN1171933

@jjampong said:
Question po. Meron po akong 3 years experience working in australian company pero offshore po. Macoconsider po ba yon as experience working in AU? Para pandagdag din po sana ng points. Thanks

No. You need to be in Australia to be considered local experience.

jelatissimoo

Good day everyone. Ask ko lang po kung may pwede po makatulong sakin or advice regarding sa work experience ko.

I'm a Licensed Civil Engineer here sa PH pero yung work experience ko for about 6+ years is related lang sa Quantity Surveyor (QS) na work.

Possible po kaya na makagawa ako ng CDR para ma-assess as Civil Engineer ni EA?

If may mga nakagawa na po dyan ng CDR as Civil Engineer pero QS ang work experience pwede po makihingi ng copy icheck ko lang po kung pano nyo nairelate ung QS sa CE.

Nagtanong kasi ako sa agent ko ang sabi sakin is EA talaga ang assessing body ko since hindi pasok ung qualification sa AIQS.

Thanks!

stihlce12

@jelatissimoo 1.yes, it is true being assessed by EA is more streamline than AIQS. you just have to follow the MSA booklet 2020. 2. Please take note QS job descriptions are part within the big umbrella scope of works of Civil Engineering professional (ANZSCO 2332 you can google it), so creating CDR made from your QS professional work experience could be done, as long as you strictly follow the competency elements stipulated on Professional Engineer Element in MSA Booklet. 3. best example such as- quantity take off the construction materials i.e concrete, rebars, formworks etc. (this is complying competency element of using mathematics or engineering programs or any software. 4. bottom line just follow the MSA booklet, this served as your bible in creating your CDR. I am a civil engineer with QS experience and have gotten Professional Engineer skill assessment from EA.

jelatissimoo

@stihlce12 said:
@jelatissimoo 1.yes, it is true being assessed by EA is more streamline than AIQS. you just have to follow the MSA booklet 2020. 2. Please take note QS job descriptions are part within the big umbrella scope of works of Civil Engineering professional (ANZSCO 2332 you can google it), so creating CDR made from your QS professional work experience could be done, as long as you strictly follow the competency elements stipulated on Professional Engineer Element in MSA Booklet. 3. best example such as- quantity take off the construction materials i.e concrete, rebars, formworks etc. (this is complying competency element of using mathematics or engineering programs or any software. 4. bottom line just follow the MSA booklet, this served as your bible in creating your CDR. I am a civil engineer with QS experience and have gotten Professional Engineer skill assessment from EA.

Thank you so much for this! Really appreciate your advise.

stihlce12

@jelatissimoo said:

@stihlce12 said:
@jelatissimoo 1.yes, it is true being assessed by EA is more streamline than AIQS. you just have to follow the MSA booklet 2020. 2. Please take note QS job descriptions are part within the big umbrella scope of works of Civil Engineering professional (ANZSCO 2332 you can google it), so creating CDR made from your QS professional work experience could be done, as long as you strictly follow the competency elements stipulated on Professional Engineer Element in MSA Booklet. 3. best example such as- quantity take off the construction materials i.e concrete, rebars, formworks etc. (this is complying competency element of using mathematics or engineering programs or any software. 4. bottom line just follow the MSA booklet, this served as your bible in creating your CDR. I am a civil engineer with QS experience and have gotten Professional Engineer skill assessment from EA.

Thank you so much for this! Really appreciate your advise.

yr welcome all the best

viyane

Hi, ask ko lang po regarding sa reference letter for CDR. Bale po currently kasi CE independent contractor ako for a foreign client. I'm considering myself as a self-employed professional. one company lang po kumbaga pinagttrabahuan ko pero considered as a contractor-CE/estimator ako.

Ngayon po, yung1 career ep ko is about my current job, need pa rin po ba yung reference letter with the company's letterhead and head/manager's signature or magsuffice na po kahit yung contract ko?

This is because currently employed ako dito, and somehow nakakhiya sa current manager namin na magpapirma ko since parang pangitain ba na aalis na rin sa current job, baka maging harsh na sya sakin sa work lol.

Thank you in advance!

RheaMARN1171933

@viyane said:
Hi, ask ko lang po regarding sa reference letter for CDR. Bale po currently kasi CE independent contractor ako for a foreign client. I'm considering myself as a self-employed professional. one company lang po kumbaga pinagttrabahuan ko pero considered as a contractor-CE/estimator ako.

Ngayon po, yung1 career ep ko is about my current job, need pa rin po ba yung reference letter with the company's letterhead and head/manager's signature or magsuffice na po kahit yung contract ko?

This is because currently employed ako dito, and somehow nakakhiya sa current manager namin na magpapirma ko since parang pangitain ba na aalis na rin sa current job, baka maging harsh na sya sakin sa work lol.

Thank you in advance!

I’m not sure if I understood your post…if you’re employed then you’re employed. You cannot choose to be self employed if you’re not at all self employed.