457 to PR question

nahzd · January 2013

Hello peeps!

I need some advise on how to go about applying for PR while in 457 visa.

1. Meron po bang specific number of days, months, etc bago ka makapag-apply ng PR?

2. Dapat bang antayin ko na lang ung after 2years for my company to sponsor me and my family? Concern ko lang is pabago-bago ang policy dito sa AU lalo na dumadami na rin mga expats dito.. kya mdyo parang nauudyukan na kme mag-apply ng PR at the soonest..

3. Has anyone been sponsored sa forum for PR from 457? how long was the processes? Please share your experience.

Looking forward sa mga responses nyo..

Cheers

LokiJr · January 2013

I'm interested to hear about this but from what read, hindi kelangan magstay ng 2 years para magrant ka ng PR

nahzd · January 2013

Binanggit kse ng mga ksma ko dito sa office na atleast magserve ka ng atleast 2yrs sa company bago ka isponsoran.. I was thinking if I go ahead, not waiting for that 2yrs... 5months palang kse ako dito...

lock_code2004 · January 2013

there are two options of converting 457 to PR:

1) PR sponsored by an employer.. it can be your current employer.. or any employer willing to sponsor you for the same job code/nominated occupation.. most employers wait for 2 years before they want to sponsor.. of course, kasi ayw nila mag take ng risks.. and they have to see that your skills are really needed in the company..

2) you apply on your ownt thru the whole EOI Skillselect process, of course you need to have your skills assessment, IELTS and atleast 60pts..

you choose what is best for your, if you apply on your own, of course you have to pay for it.
mas walang kaba, kasi alam mo na, na umaandar na papers mo..

si @TotoyOZresident po... 457 to PR (employer sponsored) and now a citizen..
goodluck!!

Davidx23 · January 2013

Dun sa dati kong employer pag binayaran mu sila ng $5K (per head) ata iisponsoran ka for PR. Wala ka ng tali nun. Kahit 1st day mu pa lang sa trabaho pwde ka ng mag-apply. May ka-opisina ako dati dun 2 months pa lang sa work pero nagbayad, in less than 3 months for PR stamping na sya.

Ako nag-hintay na lang ako ng 1 yr bago ako nag-apply ng PR 'tas after 7 mos, grant na yung PR. Madali lang naman mag-PR basta kumpleto lahat ng papers mu, at ma-meet mu yung minimum requirements nila (ielts, occupation demand list, etc.)

nahzd · January 2013

Maraming salamat @lock_code2004 & @Davidx23 sa mga inputs nyo...

pag-isipan ko muna ng ma-igi

@TotoyOZresident - hoping to share some inputs from your end.. thanks in advance!

lock_code2004 · January 2013

@Davidx23 - ayos yan ah.. wala ng talo sa ganyang arrangement..

meron din kayang company na willing mag sponsor 457, pero babayaran mo din sila?

LokiJr · January 2013

May tanong pala ako...pag 457 ba kailangan mo pa rin mag skills assessment? And if so, ikaw ba magbabayad nun? Yun bang may employer kang alam na nag-aarrange ng 457 pero icoconsider ka lang ba nila kung meron ka nang vetassess etc?

Davidx23 · January 2013

For 457, wala pa akong naririnig na ganun.
Parang naging nursing ah, babayaran mu yung ospital para magkatrabaho ka, hehe.

Davidx23 · January 2013

@LokiJr - pre nung 457 ako resume at interview lang ang ginawa ko. After kong pumasa kinontact ako ng immigration lawyer nila para mag fill-out ng forms, tapos binigay ko sa lawyer yung resume, zerox ng passport, forms. Tapos visa stamping na after 1 month. Same procedure mapa Canada mapa Australia.

nahzd · January 2013

@LokiJr - sa case ko, sa internet lang ako naghanap ng work, then after ng company interview, sbi nila hired na nila ako, tpos nagsubmit lang ako ng usual employment requirements. Sila na nag-bayad ng visa nmin ksma family ko (3 kme) wala akong dinaanan na skills assessment thru government. Ako lang nagbyad ng relocation, medical fees, etc.

lock_code2004 · January 2013

haha.. eh tutal nagpapabayad na rin sila for PR.. why not lubusin na rin..
just asking.. lol..

LokiJr · January 2013

@Davidx23 ahh ok...I must come up with a very strong argument kung ganun....Iniisip ko kasi na kung pinag-gastusan ko na mga ganyang documents, mas mapapadali yung employer na iproseso 457 ko

lock_code2004 · January 2013

@LokiJr - for 457, the rule is, you will need skills assessment if :
1) your passport is from certain countries (philippines included) and your occupation is in the list below,

or
2) DIAC has decided that you need one. (its their own discretion to make sure that you can really perform the job being nominated by the employer)

http://www.vetassess.com.au/migrate_to_australia/assess_my_trade_skills.cfm

Table 2: 457 Skills Assessment Program (Temporary migration)

NOMINATED COUNTRIES
• Brazil
• China (including Hong Kong and Macau)
• Fiji
• India
• Papua New Guinea
• Philippines
• South Africa
• Thailand
• Vietnam
• Zimbabwe

NOMINATED OCCUPATIONS
• Automotive Electrician (321111)
• Baker (351111)
• Cabinetmaker (394111)
• Carpenter (331212)
• Carpenter and Joiner (331211)
• Chef (351311)
• Cook (351411)
• Diesel Motor Mechanic (321212)
• Driller (712211) (Only available for The Philippines)
• Electrical Linesworker (342211) *
(Only available for India, South Africa and The Philippines)
• Electrical Cable Jointer (342212) *
(Only available for India, South Africa and The Philippines)
• Electrician (General) (341111) *
• Electrician (Special Class) (341112)
• Fitter (General)(323211)
• Fitter and Turner (323212)
• Fitter-Welder (323213)
• Joiner (331213)
• Metal Fabricator (322311)
• Metal Fitters and Machinists (nec) (323299)
• Metal Machinist (First Class) (323214)
• Motorcycle Mechanic (321213)
• Motor Mechanic (General) (321211)
• Panel Beater (324111)
• Pastrycook (351112)
• Pressure Welder (322312)
• Sheet Metal Trades Worker (322211)
• Small Engine Mechanic (321214)
• Toolmaker (323412)
• Vehicle Body Builder (324211)
• Vehicle Painter (324311)
• Welder (First Class) (322313)

lock_code2004 · January 2013

@nahzd and @Davidx23 - anu po ang occupations nyo mga Sir, if you dont mind?
Thanks!

LokiJr · January 2013

Hmmm taga Pinas naman ako pero wala diyan yung occupation ko (the assessing body is still vetassess though)

Davidx23 · January 2013

@lock_code2004
Under external auditor ang job code ko (accounting grad).

LokiJr · January 2013

@nahzd ahh ok congrats hehe...I'll look into this kung puwedeng 457 na lang ang ibigay sakin hehe

lock_code2004 · January 2013

yup. so tama po.. kung wala dyan ang occupation nyo sa list. and if you are applying for 457 visa, you don't need the skills assessment..

pero if you are applying for skilled migrant (points tested visa).. yes you will need skills assessment..

LokiJr · January 2013

Hehe I think I'll take my chances with this option instead

nahzd · January 2013

@lock_code2004 bale sa IT side ako.. internal support nakuha kong work dito..

Era na kse ng online applications, so sa job board lng ng seek.com.au ako naghanap ng work with sponsorship.

lock_code2004 · January 2013

ayos sir.... so hindi nga kasali ang mga occupations nyo sa list na kailangan ng 457 skills assessment.. atleast clear na ngaun ang 457 and skills assessment..
thanks!!

nahzd · January 2013

No probs @lock_code2004

@Davidx23 - 187 ba yung na-issue syo pagka-PR mo?

lock_code2004 · January 2013

from pinas ba kayo na-hire mga sirs?
or sa ibang bansa?

Davidx23 · January 2013

@nahzd - hindi regional yung visa ko. yung normal lang na PR visa (unrestricted), kalimutan ko yung code.

@lock_code2004 - sa toronto ako hi-nire. Bale pinas-toronto-brisbane yung route ko.

lock_code2004 · January 2013

oh.. so ni-renounce nyo rin status nyo sa canada?

Davidx23 · January 2013

working visa lang ako sa canada tapos gusto kong lumipat ng work kaso walang mag-isponsor kaya dito ako lumipat. ok naman dito sa brissy, mas relax ang trabaho kumpara sa americanize work culture ng canada.

LokiJr · January 2013

@Davidx23 naclaim mo na yung parang retirement funds nila sa Canada? hehe

TotoyOZresident · January 2013

Hello peeps!

I need some advise on how to go about applying for PR while in 457 visa.

1. Meron po bang specific number of days, months, etc bago ka makapag-apply ng PR?

Answer: a) Kung ang location ng work mo ay hindi regional wait ka pa ng two year bago
ka eligible to apply for Employer Nomination Scheme (subclass 186)

b) Kung location ng work mo ay regional after a year eligible kana to apply for
Regional Sponsored Migration Scheme (subclass 187). Obligation is, you have to
stay in your employer for two years after your 187 PR visa was approved.

2. Dapat bang antayin ko na lang ung after 2years for my company to sponsor me and my family? Concern ko lang is pabago-bago ang policy dito sa AU lalo na dumadami na rin mga expats dito.. kya mdyo parang nauudyukan na kme mag-apply ng PR at the soonest..

Answer: Dipende sa napagusapan ninyo ng employer mo noon bago ka mag work sa kanila. May mga ilan na 457 visa holder hindi pinangakuan na iapply sila ng PR ng employer. Yun ang malungkot ang chance talaga magka PR ay sponosr ng employer. Kaya blessing sa atin kung ang employer natin ay handa mag sponsor ng PR visa. I search mo sa immi.gov.au kung yung location mo ay regional o hindi. Kung napag kasunduan ng employer mo na in-sponsor ka at ang location mo ay hindi regional, dapat ka mag hintay ng 2 years para ma-qualified ka makapag apply ng ENS 186 PR visa. Kung regional naman mag hintay ka after a year then gumawa ka ng letter sabihin mo dun na eligible ka at gusto mo mag apply ng RSMS 187 PR visa at kausapin mo din.

3. Has anyone been sponsored sa forum for PR from 457? how long was the processes? Please share your experience.

Answer: a) Yung sa akin 857 visa na sa ngayun ay 187 visa ay = 6 to 7 months inabot

b) Nasa priority group ang 186 at 187 visa. Processing time both ENS 186 and RSMS
187 visa ay 6 months
link; http://www.immi.gov.au/about/charters/client-services-charter/visas/8.0.htm

Please read palagi ang 186 at 187 visa kung anu ang pag proseso nito.
http://www.immi.gov.au/skills/skillselect/index/visas/subclass-186/
http://www.immi.gov.au/skills/skillselect/index/visas/subclass-187/

Looking forward sa mga responses nyo..

Basta pagbutihan ang trabaho at maganda kung minsan nagkwekwentuhan o naguusap kayo ng employer. Kung maganda ang inyong performance sa trabaho hindi magdadalawang isip na sponsoran kau ng employer for PR visa.

Cheers

LokiJr · January 2013

Ang nabasa ko kung magreresign ka sa employer na nag-arrange ng 457, kailangan may mahanap kang employer na "sasalo" ng 457...Question is, puwede ba na lilipat ka from an employer who gave you the 457 and you move to an employer who will give a PR visa? Is that possible?

hilikus · January 2013

Ang nabasa ko kung magreresign ka sa employer na nag-arrange ng 457, kailangan may mahanap kang employer na "sasalo" ng 457...Question is, puwede ba na lilipat ka from an employer who gave you the 457 and you move to an employer who will give a PR visa? Is that possible?

Hello peeps!

I need some advise on how to go about applying for PR while in 457 visa.

1. Meron po bang specific number of days, months, etc bago ka makapag-apply ng PR?

2. Dapat bang antayin ko na lang ung after 2years for my company to sponsor me and my family? Concern ko lang is pabago-bago ang policy dito sa AU lalo na dumadami na rin mga expats dito.. kya mdyo parang nauudyukan na kme mag-apply ng PR at the soonest..

3. Has anyone been sponsored sa forum for PR from 457? how long was the processes? Please share your experience.

Looking forward sa mga responses nyo..

Cheers

@lokijr
ayon po sa aking pag aaral (naks!)

ang 457 visa po ay temporary working visa lang, meaning pwede kang lumipat ng employer as long as yung bagong employer mo ay willing kang sponsoran sa visa na hawak mo. Dalawa po ang pwedeng patunguhan ng galing ng 457 na gustong magtransit to PR. visa 186 ay employer nomination scheme kung naka 2years ka na sa employer mong yun at gusto ka nilang gawing permanent employee na, yun ang kukunin nila. visa 187 naman ay regional, pareho lang din kung galing kang 457, the difference is, dapat sa regional au ka lang magwowork meaning di ka pwede sa major states like sydney, melbourne, gc, brisbane etc. Also, kahit po hindi dumaan ng 457, pwede kang sponsoran ng dalawang visa na yan even if you are outside au kung talagang kailangan ka nila at papasa ka sa skills and qualification requirements.

@nahzd

sad to say, kung employer sponsored po ang target natin para maPR, need talaga nating magstay ng minimum 2 years sa employer para masponsoran nila tayo ng PR visa. Ito rin ang gumugulo sakin ngayon kasi gusto ko ng maging PR bakit kamo? i find it hard to find a new job kung maghahanap tayo ng employer na sasalo sa 457 visa natin na willing magsponsor. I've been here nearly four months now and tinry ko na ding magapply sa ibang company although pasado ako sa kanilang qualification and sometime exceeding di naman po sa pagmamayabang, ang hinahanap nila eh mga PR na. Bakit ulit? kasi hindi po lahat ng company eh approved sponsor ng 457, marami kasing requirements para pumasa sila bilang sponsor ng 457 isa na dyan yung threshold ng company gross income nila na something million aud/year so kung maliit ang company, hindi sila qualified and yung iba naman, walang time o ayaw dumaan sa proseso ng pagkuha ng 457 sponsorship.

I'm currently studying on how i can get a PR visa as early as possible. Sa ngayon ang nababasa ko pa lang ay dadaan ka ng skillselect skilled independent o visa 189. Mas madugo na proseso at mas mabigat ang requirements. update na lang ako sa post ko pag na confirm ko na. Salamat po sa pagbabasa naway makatulong.