Australian Computer Society Skills Application

basha01

patotoy said:

@basha01
afaik, pwede yan kase wala namang changes sa dates nyan at r&r.

sige po salamat ng marami

flexihopper18

If ma-assess po ba na bachelor degree, may gamit pa po ba ang vendor certification sa assessment?

patotoy

@flexihopper18

flexihopper18 said:

If ma-assess po ba na bachelor degree, may gamit pa po ba ang vendor certification sa assessment?

yes, kung mas mataas ang qualifications nung vendor certification. anu bang vendor certification ang meron ka?

flexihopper18

patotoy said:

@flexihopper18
yes, kung mas mataas ang qualifications nung vendor certification. anu bang vendor certification ang meron ka?

@patotoy

Meron akong Cisco and Oracle. Plan ko rin sana magupgrade if magagamit ko din sya kung sakali.

Ibig po ba sabihin nun, may points kang makukuha sa bachelor degree and vendor certification? Or pipili lang kung alin ang mas mataas?

kayenzky

Yung mga nagrenew ng ACS assessment nila. Gano na cya katagal ngayon?

patotoy

@flexihopper18

flexihopper18 said:

patotoy said:

@flexihopper18
yes, kung mas mataas ang qualifications nung vendor certification. anu bang vendor certification ang meron ka?

@patotoy

Meron akong Cisco and Oracle. Plan ko rin sana magupgrade if magagamit ko din sya kung sakali.

Ibig po ba sabihin nun, may points kang makukuha sa bachelor degree and vendor certification? Or pipili lang kung alin ang mas mataas?

pipili lang ng pinaka-mataas na qualification pero based sa mga assessments nila, nagiging supporting proof din yun kung ilang years ang ibabawas sa experience mo.

hindi dahil bachelor's degree ka eh minus 2 years lang ang ibabawas, may mga instances na -3 or even -4 years of exp ang ibabawas kahit bachelor's degree ang binigay sayong assessment.

anung Cisco cert ang meron ka?

flexihopper18

patotoy said:

pipili lang ng pinaka-mataas na qualification pero based sa mga assessments nila, nagiging supporting proof din yun kung ilang years ang ibabawas sa experience mo.

hindi dahil bachelor's degree ka eh minus 2 years lang ang ibabawas, may mga instances na -3 or even -4 years of exp ang ibabawas kahit bachelor's degree ang binigay sayong assessment.

anung Cisco cert ang meron ka?

@patotoy

Ah I see. Dun pala sya magagamit kung sakali. Thank you.

Associate pa lang meron ako. Sa ACS assessment guide, if I'm not mistaken cisco and microsoft lang ang inaaccept? And if cisco, atleast CCNP.

If Oracle, will ACS accept this as supporting proof? Balak ko kasi pa-assess is 262111

patotoy

@flexihopper18

flexihopper18 said:

patotoy said:

pipili lang ng pinaka-mataas na qualification pero based sa mga assessments nila, nagiging supporting proof din yun kung ilang years ang ibabawas sa experience mo.

hindi dahil bachelor's degree ka eh minus 2 years lang ang ibabawas, may mga instances na -3 or even -4 years of exp ang ibabawas kahit bachelor's degree ang binigay sayong assessment.

anung Cisco cert ang meron ka?

@patotoy

Ah I see. Dun pala sya magagamit kung sakali. Thank you.

Associate pa lang meron ako. Sa ACS assessment guide, if I'm not mistaken cisco and microsoft lang ang inaaccept? And if cisco, atleast CCNP.

If Oracle, will ACS accept this as supporting proof? Balak ko kasi pa-assess is 262111

tama ka, ACS only accept Microsoft and Cisco "Professional" Level, based sa pagkakaintindi ko sa ACS guidelines, yan lang ang accepted vendor certification na ina-assess nila.

may mga galing section 1 na school at bachelor's degree ang inassess ni ACS pero minus 4 years ang binigay na assessment. depende din kase to sa section ng school, number of units, grades at syempre subjects.

flexihopper18

patotoy said:

tama ka, ACS only accept Microsoft and Cisco "Professional" Level, based sa pagkakaintindi ko sa ACS guidelines, yan lang ang accepted vendor certification na ina-assess nila.

may mga galing section 1 na school at bachelor's degree ang inassess ni ACS pero minus 4 years ang binigay na assessment. depende din kase to sa section ng school, number of units, grades at syempre subjects.

Thank you @patotoy for the input.

RheaMARN1171933

@flexihopper18 @patotoy they deduct 4 years if the studies done was not closely related to the nominated occupation.

patotoy

@RheaMARN1171933
I got 2 friends who graduates in Section 1 School, BS ECE, work experiences were in line with 2631xx (officemates at F******), both got GWA of better than 2.0, 5 year course, both got 4 Cisco elective subjects and both of them was assessed by ACS of Bachelor's Degree Major in Computing but one got minus 4 years and the other was minus 2 (he got CCNP so "maybe a factor").

***my friend who got minus 4 years is going to contact the assessor about his credentials since the results was received last Monday.

I also have friends with almost similar credentials without CCNP and ACS only deducted minus 2 years as well. so can we say that the decision varies between different assessors?

RheaMARN1171933

@patotoy if I was the agent handling those cases, I will question it. There are times I’m able to turn around their decision when I challenge them. Of course, I base my arguments on facts. In general, refer to this link for further info

https://www.acs.org.au/content/dam/acs/acs-skills/Summary of Criteria - 2017.pdf

Unfortunately, not all cases are the same. Not because it worked for one doesn’t mean it will work for all. Each case is very individual. All the more you can’t use someone’s circumstance vs another applicant’s circumstance as an argument. It’s all about asking for a sensible explanation from the case officer for such outcome then you reason out from there.

patotoy

@RheaMARN1171933
thanks, we also checked the criteria and also the latest ACS guidelines even before they go for ACS assessment that's why he was confident that it should only be minus 2. he will contact the assessor to inquire about the results.

thanks again for the information that you've provided in pinoyau. Godbless!

bankshot15

@patotoy Bro mabanggit ko lang kinabahan ako sa case ng friends mo.
i am an IT grad, from Section 2 school. working as a network engineer with 7 yrs experience. Sana 2 years lang ibawas sakin since i have Cisco subjects during college days and sana Major for my course din pasok kasi sa GWA 2.0 grades ko. hehe pag 4 yrs binawas sakin iyak tawa ako non.

i have a colleague na din kasi who is in Australia na. IT grad in AMA then network engineer rin. But 2 yrs minus lang sya then Major din ang course.

patotoy

@bankshot15
depende talaga kay assessor yun pero kung ma-satisfy mo naman, minus 2 lang din yan. kaya nagtaka kami baket minus 4 yung sa isang kaibigan namin. anyway, icocontact nya si assessor regarding the result.

magpa-assess ka nalang din dahil hindi natin malalaman hangga't hindi tina-try. case to case basis din kasi kagaya ng colleague mo na nasa AU na.

flexihopper18

@patotoy

Gumawa po ba kayo ng Stat Dec? Pwede po ba makahingi ng template?

Thank you

patotoy

@flexihopper18

flexihopper18 said:

@patotoy

Gumawa po ba kayo ng Stat Dec? Pwede po ba makahingi ng template?

Thank you

hindi po.

bankshot15

@patotoy Actually nakapag submit na ko last july, waiting nalang ng result. Fingers crossed sana 2 yrs lang ideduct so i can proceed with my PTE. Di ako maka pag PTE dahil dyan eh. 75 points if ever i get the superior which is mataas yun chances mainvite.

By the way, i have a friend na ECE din, she took the Engineers Australia route pero network engineer din sya. wala na deduct sa 5 yrs work experience nya and waiting nalang sya ng grant. 75pts total.

flexihopper18

patotoy said:

@flexihopper18
hindi po.

@patotoy

Ah ok, thank you.

Question lang. Meron kasing suffix name ko, Juan Dela Cruz Jr.

Sa school ko, yung Jr nilalagay nila sa lastname ko since yun daw nasa birth certificate ko. Same sa company na pinang galingan ko.

Sa mga government agencies naman sa Pinas, Jr is part of my first name. Which is ito daw ang default sa government. Like sa passport, PRC license, driver's license.

Hindi kaya maging question to sakin?

patotoy

@flexihopper18

flexihopper18 said:

patotoy said:

@flexihopper18
hindi po.

@patotoy

Ah ok, thank you.

Question lang. Meron kasing suffix name ko, Juan Dela Cruz Jr.

Sa school ko, yung Jr nilalagay nila sa lastname ko since yun daw nasa birth certificate ko. Same sa company na pinang galingan ko.

Sa mga government agencies naman sa Pinas, Jr is part of my first name. Which is ito daw ang default sa government. Like sa passport, PRC license, driver's license.

Hindi kaya maging question to sakin?

may nag discuss nyan dito 2 days back. try mo nalang i search para magka-idea at guide ka na din regarding sa name mo.

XwWrfwx

@patotoy @flexihopper18
ito ung start: http://pinoyau.info/discussion/comment/307607/#Comment_307607

patotoy

@bankshot15

bankshot15 said:

@patotoy Actually nakapag submit na ko last july, waiting nalang ng result. Fingers crossed sana 2 yrs lang ideduct so i can proceed with my PTE. Di ako maka pag PTE dahil dyan eh. 75 points if ever i get the superior which is mataas yun chances mainvite.

By the way, i have a friend na ECE din, she took the Engineers Australia route pero network engineer din sya. wala na deduct sa 5 yrs work experience nya and waiting nalang sya ng grant. 75pts total.

sa ACS kase minimum minus 2 sa experience. depende sa deskarte mo, worst case scenario kung minus 4 ka, may 2 option ka:

1st - kung minus 4 ang "final" assessment sayo, gayahin mo yung friend mo na magpa-assess sa EA.
2nd - visa 190 applyan mo para 70+5 kapag na superior mo ang PTE.

kung 2631xx ang code mo, nagiinvite na sila ng 70 points sa v189 pero nasa Sept 2017 ang mga nainvite as per latest results.

madami namang options, nasasayo lang kung pano mo deskartehan ang sarili mo. if i were you, i will take the PTE now para paglabas ng result, wala ng delay delay pa sa EOI. tandaan mo, habang nagpapadelay ka sa bawat araw, may mga taong nagpapataas ng points para lang mainvite na agad.

patotoy

@tofurad

tofurad said:

@patotoy @flexihopper18
ito ung start: http://pinoyau.info/discussion/comment/307607/#Comment_307607

yan!!! commended bro! @tofurad

@flexihopper18
yan na yung thread.

flexihopper18

@patotoy and @tofurad

Thank you

bankshot15

@patotoy Good point. Kaso i cant take the EA route, as i am an IT graduate.
But yes prolly will take PTE this 2nd week of september. and i will pass sa 190 different states as advised by a migration agent so more entries more chances of getting invited.

patotoy

@bankshot15

bankshot15 said:

@patotoy Good point. Kaso i cant take the EA route, as i am an IT graduate.
But yes prolly will take PTE this 2nd week of september. and i will pass sa 190 different states as advised by a migration agent so more entries more chances of getting invited.

ok yan, try lang ng try as long as nandyan ang opportunity, Godbless!

crankygrinch

Hi. Tanong ko lang about sa stat declaration. Lumagpas kasi ako ng one page. Dapat ba per page yung tatak nung notary public? Or okay lang kahit yung last page lang may tatak? Thanks.

dashzone

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dashzone

Hi, @RheaMARN1171933

I'm in the process of submitting my EOI. Need help po sana kung pano ilalagay yung employment history. Wala po akong makukuha na points sa work experience since after April 2017 lang yung naconsider sakin.
Kelangan po ba yung after April 2017 lang yung ilalagay ko as "Related Employment"? Pano ko po ilalagay yun kung nasa company A pa ko that time? Sa pagkakaintindi ko kasi ang lalagyan lang ng "YES" sa "Related Employment" ay kung kukuha ka ng points for that work experience.

Thanks po.

The following employment after April 2017 is considered to equate to work at an appropriately skilled
level and relevant to 263111 (Computer Network and Systems Engineer) of the ANZSCO Code.

Dates: 04/13 - 12/17 – 4 year(s) 8 month(s)
Position: Role 1
Employer: Company A
Country: Philippines

Dates: 01/18 - 05/18 – 0 year(s) 5 month(s)
Position: Role 2
Employer: Company B
Country: Philippines

bankshot15

@dashzone Sir anong course and work mo?