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  • mlcntdeemlcntdee South Australia
    Posts: 40Member
    Joined: Apr 01, 2018

    @karlboy yan din yung last page ko bago tuluyang hindi na nakapasok

    221213 EXTERNAL AUDITOR
    [Age:30, English:20, Education:15, Experience:10 = 75pts]

    19 June 2018 - PTE Proficient English (L74,R90,S88,W78)
    5 July 2018 - Submitted skills assessment application for CPAA
    13 July 2018 - Positive results from CPAA - 221213 External Auditor
    16 July 2018 - EOI lodged for v189:65pts, v190:70 pts , v489:75pts
    25 July 2018 - PTE Superior English (L90,R90,S90,W90)
    26 July 2018 - EOI updated for v189:75pts, v190:80pts, v489:85pts
    .
    .
    SPOUSE POINTS: Electrical Engineer
    22 Nov 2018 - Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia
    18 Dec 2018 - Received feedback - asking for additional career episodes
    31 Jan 2019 - EA negative outcome 😞
    6 Feb 2019 - Informal appeal to EA submitted
    28 Feb 2019 - Informal appeal, negative 😞
    .
    .
    4 Jul 2019 - SA489 opened to External Auditors under High Points, applied
    27 Aug 2019 - Received invite to lodge for SA 489
    9 Sep 2019 - Lodged SA 489 visa
    28 Nov 2019 - RECEIVED DIRECT GRANT!!!

    Thank you Lord!

  • eZbZaZAUeZbZaZAU Singapore
    Posts: 44Member
    Joined: Sep 25, 2018

    Ako din. tapos na logged out then system maintenance ngaun.

    @karlboy said:
    ako lagi na stuck doon sa essay part bakit South Australia... nag e-error doon.

  • eZbZaZAUeZbZaZAU Singapore
    Posts: 44Member
    Joined: Sep 25, 2018

    Sabi around 200 AUD. di pa ko nakakapag bayad eh. nag maintenance ung site.

    @edge said:

    @eZbZaZAU said:
    Meron..open na... mabagal lang po. Good morning. May nakapagtry na ba makaaccess sa application page ni SA?

    Magkano payment nila sa application? thanks!

  • Butterfly8i8Butterfly8i8 PH
    Posts: 147Member
    Joined: Jan 11, 2018

    yung application po ba, separate pa sa EOI?

  • keruchankeruchan Posts: 88Member
    Joined: Jun 27, 2019
    @Butterfly8i8 submit EOI first then state nomination application naman thru SA immi website

    https://migration.sa.gov.au/skilled-migrants/nomination-process

    312111 Architectural Draftsperson

    Age: 30
    PTE: 20
    Educ: 15
    Work Experience: 15
    Partner: 10
    State: 5
    Total: 95 points

    Mar 2019: Applied VETASSESS Full Skills Assessment
    June 2019: Received Skills Assessment
    June 2019: Took PTE (Proficient)
    18 Apr 2022: Retook PTE again (Superior)
    17 May 2022: Lodged VETASSESS Assessment Renewal
    25 Aug 2022: Received Positive Outcome Letter from VETASSESS
    31 Aug 2022: Lodged EOI for 190 Vic
    1 Sep 2022: Lodged ROI for Vic
    6 Sep 2022: Received Pre-invite from Vic SC 190
    8 Sep 2022: Applied State Nomination
    26 Sep 2022: Received Vic nomination approval and ITA from DHA
    17 Oct 2022: Sg Police Clearance
    21 Oct: Lodged Visa 190
    3 Nov 2022: NBI Clearance
    7 Nov 2022: Scheduled for Medical
    9 Nov 2022: Health clearance provided
    5 Apr 2023: Direct Grant! TYL!

  • VirGlySylVirGlySyl Ph
    Posts: 327Member
    Joined: Nov 11, 2016

    in demand ngayun ang SA ah ^_^

    buong SA pala pwede magstay kapag 489?, akala ko sa Regional ay di pwede sa main ng isang state, categorized pala ang term regional sa buong kapuluan ng Au.

    | IE 233511 | A:30 (until Dec31)| ELA:10 | Q:15 | OWE:15 | = 70

  • JHONIELJHONIEL PHILIPPINES
    Posts: 347Member
    Joined: Jul 10, 2018
    Hi po sa lahat! Dun po ba sa portion kung san ilalagay yung “Outline the key reasons why the main applicant has chosen South Australia as their preferred migration destination”, pede po ba bullet form ang gawin dyan? TIA

    233511 – Industrial Engineer | Age: 30pts | Education: 15pts | Experience: 10pts | English: 20pts | Total: 75pts

  • karlboykarlboy Makati
    Posts: 63Member
    Joined: Jan 30, 2019

    @JHONIEL said:

    Hi po sa lahat! Dun po ba sa portion kung san ilalagay yung “Outline the key reasons why the main applicant has chosen South Australia as their preferred migration destination”, pede po ba bullet form ang gawin dyan? TIA

    @JHONIEL said:
    Hi po sa lahat! Dun po ba sa portion kung san ilalagay yung “Outline the key reasons why the main applicant has chosen South Australia as their preferred migration destination”, pede po ba bullet form ang gawin dyan? TIA

    Parang essay yung format ko dito sir. Hehe

    ANZSCO 263111 | Computer Network and Systems Engineer | Age : 25 | Education: 15 | Experience: 10 | PTE: 20 | Total: 70 Points

  • mlcntdeemlcntdee South Australia
    Posts: 40Member
    Joined: Apr 01, 2018

    May nakapagsubmit na ba ng application sa inyo?

    221213 EXTERNAL AUDITOR
    [Age:30, English:20, Education:15, Experience:10 = 75pts]

    19 June 2018 - PTE Proficient English (L74,R90,S88,W78)
    5 July 2018 - Submitted skills assessment application for CPAA
    13 July 2018 - Positive results from CPAA - 221213 External Auditor
    16 July 2018 - EOI lodged for v189:65pts, v190:70 pts , v489:75pts
    25 July 2018 - PTE Superior English (L90,R90,S90,W90)
    26 July 2018 - EOI updated for v189:75pts, v190:80pts, v489:85pts
    .
    .
    SPOUSE POINTS: Electrical Engineer
    22 Nov 2018 - Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia
    18 Dec 2018 - Received feedback - asking for additional career episodes
    31 Jan 2019 - EA negative outcome 😞
    6 Feb 2019 - Informal appeal to EA submitted
    28 Feb 2019 - Informal appeal, negative 😞
    .
    .
    4 Jul 2019 - SA489 opened to External Auditors under High Points, applied
    27 Aug 2019 - Received invite to lodge for SA 489
    9 Sep 2019 - Lodged SA 489 visa
    28 Nov 2019 - RECEIVED DIRECT GRANT!!!

    Thank you Lord!

  • Pandabelle0405Pandabelle0405 Singapore
    Posts: 691Member
    Joined: Aug 16, 2017
    Hello open n po ba ang SA mga kapatid thanks po
  • keruchankeruchan Posts: 88Member
    Joined: Jun 27, 2019
    @mlcntdee unavailable pa rin website. Hopefully ok na tom 🙏🏼

    312111 Architectural Draftsperson

    Age: 30
    PTE: 20
    Educ: 15
    Work Experience: 15
    Partner: 10
    State: 5
    Total: 95 points

    Mar 2019: Applied VETASSESS Full Skills Assessment
    June 2019: Received Skills Assessment
    June 2019: Took PTE (Proficient)
    18 Apr 2022: Retook PTE again (Superior)
    17 May 2022: Lodged VETASSESS Assessment Renewal
    25 Aug 2022: Received Positive Outcome Letter from VETASSESS
    31 Aug 2022: Lodged EOI for 190 Vic
    1 Sep 2022: Lodged ROI for Vic
    6 Sep 2022: Received Pre-invite from Vic SC 190
    8 Sep 2022: Applied State Nomination
    26 Sep 2022: Received Vic nomination approval and ITA from DHA
    17 Oct 2022: Sg Police Clearance
    21 Oct: Lodged Visa 190
    3 Nov 2022: NBI Clearance
    7 Nov 2022: Scheduled for Medical
    9 Nov 2022: Health clearance provided
    5 Apr 2023: Direct Grant! TYL!

  • anikaarkin0915anikaarkin0915 Philippines
    Posts: 22Member
    Joined: Mar 27, 2019
    Hello po, medyo confuse lang double confirm ko lang po sa SA nomination yung employment history part need lang ba ilagay yung 'related' assessed by ACS? Or need rin dapat isama yung not related same sa EOI? Thanks po
  • Butterfly8i8Butterfly8i8 PH
    Posts: 147Member
    Joined: Jan 11, 2018
    @keruchan thanks! Gets ko na. Magkaiba pala ng process sa SA vs NSW. Thanks. Hindi rin maccess pa application page. Dami siguro nag aapply.
  • jomar011888jomar011888 Philippines
    Posts: 351Member
    Joined: Jun 10, 2017
    edited July 2019
    > @Pandabelle0405 said:
    > Hello open n po ba ang SA mga kapatid thanks po

    Yes open na po and nagapply na po ako hehehe... nainterrupt lang ng maintenance sa SA website pero may eoi na po ako

    489 po ang open :)
  • mlcntdeemlcntdee South Australia
    Posts: 40Member
    Joined: Apr 01, 2018
    Under maintenance pa din sya. Sabi sa news until the afternoon daw of July 4

    221213 EXTERNAL AUDITOR
    [Age:30, English:20, Education:15, Experience:10 = 75pts]

    19 June 2018 - PTE Proficient English (L74,R90,S88,W78)
    5 July 2018 - Submitted skills assessment application for CPAA
    13 July 2018 - Positive results from CPAA - 221213 External Auditor
    16 July 2018 - EOI lodged for v189:65pts, v190:70 pts , v489:75pts
    25 July 2018 - PTE Superior English (L90,R90,S90,W90)
    26 July 2018 - EOI updated for v189:75pts, v190:80pts, v489:85pts
    .
    .
    SPOUSE POINTS: Electrical Engineer
    22 Nov 2018 - Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia
    18 Dec 2018 - Received feedback - asking for additional career episodes
    31 Jan 2019 - EA negative outcome 😞
    6 Feb 2019 - Informal appeal to EA submitted
    28 Feb 2019 - Informal appeal, negative 😞
    .
    .
    4 Jul 2019 - SA489 opened to External Auditors under High Points, applied
    27 Aug 2019 - Received invite to lodge for SA 489
    9 Sep 2019 - Lodged SA 489 visa
    28 Nov 2019 - RECEIVED DIRECT GRANT!!!

    Thank you Lord!

  • JHONIELJHONIEL PHILIPPINES
    Posts: 347Member
    Joined: Jul 10, 2018
    Hi po sa lahat. Ask ko lang sa mga nakapagpasa na, kailangan po ba updated ang coe na ipapasa kay SA? Hndi po ba pede gamitin yung ginamit sa EA assessment? Hirap na kasi makakuha ng oe na may duties and responsibilities. Normal coe lang makukuha kunga sakali kailangan ng updated. TIA

    233511 – Industrial Engineer | Age: 30pts | Education: 15pts | Experience: 10pts | English: 20pts | Total: 75pts

  • mlcntdeemlcntdee South Australia
    Posts: 40Member
    Joined: Apr 01, 2018

    @JHONIEL said:

    Hi po sa lahat. Ask ko lang sa mga nakapagpasa na, kailangan po ba updated ang coe na ipapasa kay SA? Hndi po ba pede gamitin yung ginamit sa EA assessment? Hirap na kasi makakuha ng oe na may duties and responsibilities. Normal coe lang makukuha kunga sakali kailangan ng updated. TIA

    yung unang pinasa ko lang din sa assessment ang ggamitin ko.

    221213 EXTERNAL AUDITOR
    [Age:30, English:20, Education:15, Experience:10 = 75pts]

    19 June 2018 - PTE Proficient English (L74,R90,S88,W78)
    5 July 2018 - Submitted skills assessment application for CPAA
    13 July 2018 - Positive results from CPAA - 221213 External Auditor
    16 July 2018 - EOI lodged for v189:65pts, v190:70 pts , v489:75pts
    25 July 2018 - PTE Superior English (L90,R90,S90,W90)
    26 July 2018 - EOI updated for v189:75pts, v190:80pts, v489:85pts
    .
    .
    SPOUSE POINTS: Electrical Engineer
    22 Nov 2018 - Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia
    18 Dec 2018 - Received feedback - asking for additional career episodes
    31 Jan 2019 - EA negative outcome 😞
    6 Feb 2019 - Informal appeal to EA submitted
    28 Feb 2019 - Informal appeal, negative 😞
    .
    .
    4 Jul 2019 - SA489 opened to External Auditors under High Points, applied
    27 Aug 2019 - Received invite to lodge for SA 489
    9 Sep 2019 - Lodged SA 489 visa
    28 Nov 2019 - RECEIVED DIRECT GRANT!!!

    Thank you Lord!

  • JohndAUJohndAU Dubai
    Posts: 119Member
    Joined: Jul 14, 2017

    @jomar011888 iba pa ba ang EOI sa application? Kala ko pag may EOI na that means done na ang application. Yung agent kc gumawa nung sa aken.

    221111 - Accountant|Age: 25 pts|Education: 15|Experience: 15|English: 20|Partner points: 10|NAATI: 5| Total: 90 pts

    29.04.2017 - taken IELTS Academic
    17.05.2017 - contract signed and docs sent to agent
    06.06.2017 - submitted to IPA for qualifications assessment
    16.06.2017 - IPA requested for syllabus copies
    19.06.2017 - major subjects provided but agent insisted all
    20.06.2017 - request for syllabus for all subjects
    15.08.2017 - submitted syllabus to IPA
    17.08.2017 - received IPA skills assessment as suitable
    17.08.2017 - EOI lodged for 189 (65 pts)
    23.08.2017 - EOI lodged for 190 (70 pts)/ 489 NSW (75 pts)
    02.07.2018 - Updated EOI 189 to 75 pts & 489 NSW/QLD (85 pts)
    31.10.2019 - Added 5 points for Partner skills
    16.11.2019 - Added 5 points for Partner skills under the new points system
    05.12.2020 - Taken NAATI CCL Test
    11.01.2020 - Added 5 points for NAATI CCL

    PTE Academic
    25.02.2018 - L73/R80/S82/W81
    17.03.2018 - L90/R77/S90/W90
    31.03.2018 - L69/R90/S75/W80
    13.05.2018 - L60/R90/S73/W72
    30.05.2018 - L89/R73/S90/W86
    11.06.2018 - L73/R90/S83/W83
    30.06.2018 - L84/R90/S90/W88

    IELTS Academic
    29.04.2017 - L7.5/R8.5/S7.0/W7.5

  • JHONIELJHONIEL PHILIPPINES
    Posts: 347Member
    Joined: Jul 10, 2018
    @mlcntdee ah ok kasi sakin ung may description po ay last year pa yung nag pa assess ako kay EA. Baka kasi kIlangan ay updated kaya kuha na din ako ng normal cOE para makita na updtaed

    233511 – Industrial Engineer | Age: 30pts | Education: 15pts | Experience: 10pts | English: 20pts | Total: 75pts

  • batmanbatman Darwin Australia
    Posts: 3,520Member, Moderator
    Joined: Oct 04, 2011
    > @JohndAU said:
    > @jomar011888 iba pa ba ang EOI sa application? Kala ko pag may EOI na that means done na ang application. Yung agent kc gumawa nung sa aken.

    Each state has different processes. Yung iba neee apply separately sa state mismo on top of eoi. Make sure sa agent mo. I heard from before may ganun case na akala nya may apply na sya pero wala pala.

    221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
    21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
    31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
    01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
    20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
    - collating requirements for NT SS application
    18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
    24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
    - was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
    - engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
    26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
    02|05|18 - PCC processing
    20|05|18 - Medical
    06|06|18 - Visa payment
    15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
    09|02|19 - Big move
    11|02|19 - First job interview
    12|02|19 - Received a job offer
    13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
    13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
    16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
    01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
    10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
    June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
    Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
    June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
    Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
    Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
    June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
    July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home

  • anikaarkin0915anikaarkin0915 Philippines
    Posts: 22Member
    Joined: Mar 27, 2019

    Hello mga sir up ko lang po, medyo confuse lang double confirm ko lang po sa SA nomination yung employment history part need lang ba ilagay yung 'related' assessed by ACS? Or need rin dapat isama yung not related same sa EOI? Thanks po

  • karlboykarlboy Makati
    Posts: 63Member
    Joined: Jan 30, 2019

    @anikaarkin0915 said:

    Hello mga sir up ko lang po, medyo confuse lang double confirm ko lang po sa SA nomination yung employment history part need lang ba ilagay yung 'related' assessed by ACS? Or need rin dapat isama yung not related same sa EOI? Thanks po

    Ang nilagay ko lang din sa EOI is yung related assessed by ACS, so if ever mag up na yung sa SA, yun na din lalagay ko para consistent with EOI.

    ANZSCO 263111 | Computer Network and Systems Engineer | Age : 25 | Education: 15 | Experience: 10 | PTE: 20 | Total: 70 Points

  • anikaarkin0915anikaarkin0915 Philippines
    Posts: 22Member
    Joined: Mar 27, 2019

    @karlboy said:

    @anikaarkin0915 said:

    Hello mga sir up ko lang po, medyo confuse lang double confirm ko lang po sa SA nomination yung employment history part need lang ba ilagay yung 'related' assessed by ACS? Or need rin dapat isama yung not related same sa EOI? Thanks po

    Ang nilagay ko lang din sa EOI is yung related assessed by ACS, so if ever mag up na yung sa SA, yun na din lalagay ko para consistent with EOI.

    @karlboy said:
    @anikaarkin0915 said:

    Hello mga sir up ko lang po, medyo confuse lang double confirm ko lang po sa SA nomination yung employment history part need lang ba ilagay yung 'related' assessed by ACS? Or need rin dapat isama yung not related same sa EOI? Thanks po

    Ang nilagay ko lang din sa EOI is yung related assessed by ACS, so if ever mag up na yung sa SA, yun na din lalagay ko para consistent with EOI.

    Okay sir salamat po. :)

  • keruchankeruchan Posts: 88Member
    Joined: Jun 27, 2019
    > @mlcntdee said:
    > Under maintenance pa din sya. Sabi sa news until the afternoon daw of July 4

    Hello. Saang news po nakalagay?

    312111 Architectural Draftsperson

    Age: 30
    PTE: 20
    Educ: 15
    Work Experience: 15
    Partner: 10
    State: 5
    Total: 95 points

    Mar 2019: Applied VETASSESS Full Skills Assessment
    June 2019: Received Skills Assessment
    June 2019: Took PTE (Proficient)
    18 Apr 2022: Retook PTE again (Superior)
    17 May 2022: Lodged VETASSESS Assessment Renewal
    25 Aug 2022: Received Positive Outcome Letter from VETASSESS
    31 Aug 2022: Lodged EOI for 190 Vic
    1 Sep 2022: Lodged ROI for Vic
    6 Sep 2022: Received Pre-invite from Vic SC 190
    8 Sep 2022: Applied State Nomination
    26 Sep 2022: Received Vic nomination approval and ITA from DHA
    17 Oct 2022: Sg Police Clearance
    21 Oct: Lodged Visa 190
    3 Nov 2022: NBI Clearance
    7 Nov 2022: Scheduled for Medical
    9 Nov 2022: Health clearance provided
    5 Apr 2023: Direct Grant! TYL!

  • jomar011888jomar011888 Philippines
    Posts: 351Member
    Joined: Jun 10, 2017
    > @JohndAU said:
    > @jomar011888 iba pa ba ang EOI sa application? Kala ko pag may EOI na that means done na ang application. Yung agent kc gumawa nung sa aken.

    Iba iba po kasi ang procedure per state. Like sa SA need din magapply sa website nila fot state nomination afer mo magsubmit EOI
  • eZbZaZAUeZbZaZAU Singapore
    Posts: 44Member
    Joined: Sep 25, 2018

    @keruchan said:

    > @mlcntdee said:
    > Under maintenance pa din sya. Sabi sa news until the afternoon daw of July 4

    Hello. Saang news po nakalagay?

    @keruchan said:
    > @mlcntdee said:
    > Under maintenance pa din sya. Sabi sa news until the afternoon daw of July 4

    Hello. Saang news po nakalagay?

    Sa SA Immi website po.

    https://migration.sa.gov.au/news-events/news-releases/apply-site-currently-unavailable

  • keruchankeruchan Posts: 88Member
    Joined: Jun 27, 2019
    @eZbZaZAU got it. Thank you

    312111 Architectural Draftsperson

    Age: 30
    PTE: 20
    Educ: 15
    Work Experience: 15
    Partner: 10
    State: 5
    Total: 95 points

    Mar 2019: Applied VETASSESS Full Skills Assessment
    June 2019: Received Skills Assessment
    June 2019: Took PTE (Proficient)
    18 Apr 2022: Retook PTE again (Superior)
    17 May 2022: Lodged VETASSESS Assessment Renewal
    25 Aug 2022: Received Positive Outcome Letter from VETASSESS
    31 Aug 2022: Lodged EOI for 190 Vic
    1 Sep 2022: Lodged ROI for Vic
    6 Sep 2022: Received Pre-invite from Vic SC 190
    8 Sep 2022: Applied State Nomination
    26 Sep 2022: Received Vic nomination approval and ITA from DHA
    17 Oct 2022: Sg Police Clearance
    21 Oct: Lodged Visa 190
    3 Nov 2022: NBI Clearance
    7 Nov 2022: Scheduled for Medical
    9 Nov 2022: Health clearance provided
    5 Apr 2023: Direct Grant! TYL!

  • JohndAUJohndAU Dubai
    Posts: 119Member
    Joined: Jul 14, 2017

    @batman @jomar011888 you're correct. EOI nga lang daw po ako since unavailable pa site ni SA. thank you for clarifying.. really worth reading this forum!

    221111 - Accountant|Age: 25 pts|Education: 15|Experience: 15|English: 20|Partner points: 10|NAATI: 5| Total: 90 pts

    29.04.2017 - taken IELTS Academic
    17.05.2017 - contract signed and docs sent to agent
    06.06.2017 - submitted to IPA for qualifications assessment
    16.06.2017 - IPA requested for syllabus copies
    19.06.2017 - major subjects provided but agent insisted all
    20.06.2017 - request for syllabus for all subjects
    15.08.2017 - submitted syllabus to IPA
    17.08.2017 - received IPA skills assessment as suitable
    17.08.2017 - EOI lodged for 189 (65 pts)
    23.08.2017 - EOI lodged for 190 (70 pts)/ 489 NSW (75 pts)
    02.07.2018 - Updated EOI 189 to 75 pts & 489 NSW/QLD (85 pts)
    31.10.2019 - Added 5 points for Partner skills
    16.11.2019 - Added 5 points for Partner skills under the new points system
    05.12.2020 - Taken NAATI CCL Test
    11.01.2020 - Added 5 points for NAATI CCL

    PTE Academic
    25.02.2018 - L73/R80/S82/W81
    17.03.2018 - L90/R77/S90/W90
    31.03.2018 - L69/R90/S75/W80
    13.05.2018 - L60/R90/S73/W72
    30.05.2018 - L89/R73/S90/W86
    11.06.2018 - L73/R90/S83/W83
    30.06.2018 - L84/R90/S90/W88

    IELTS Academic
    29.04.2017 - L7.5/R8.5/S7.0/W7.5

  • Pandabelle0405Pandabelle0405 Singapore
    Posts: 691Member
    Joined: Aug 16, 2017
    @jomar011888 thanks sir
  • luirpvidalluirpvidal Manila
    Posts: 25Member
    Joined: Sep 14, 2017

    Wala na ung maintenance na notice pero pag naglologin ako "Access is denied" ang lumalabas? Anyone experiencing the same issue?

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