Australian Computer Society Skills Application

soma · December 2013

Hello Guys, I'm in DESPERATE need of your help. I received an email response from ACS and halos lahat ng submittals ko ay ni-reject nila. Here's what it said:

This email is to advise that your documents are not certified copies. We require certified copies of your documentation to process your skills assessment. A document is a certified copy when the original document is photo copied or scanned and is signed by a person authorised to certify documents.

A stamp is required on the certified copy to signify that it is a true copy of the original document.

The following information is required on each page of the certified copy:

The words “Certified True Copy of the Original”
The signature of the certifying person
The name, date and provider or registration number or designation (eg: Police Officer) of the certifying person.

Legal professionals and embassy officials can provide further information regarding certifying documents outside Australia.

Please upload the following documents into the online application form in PDF format:

Certified copy of your passport
Certified copy of your degree certificate
Certified copy of the complete and final academic transcript for your degree.
Certified copy of employer reference

Please Note: the ACS is unable to accept letters of appointment, self-statutory declarations or contracts in place of employment references.

If there is no response within 30 days of this notification, your application will not be able to be assessed.

*** ano po bang ibig sabihin nila ng certified true copy with stamp exactly? i sent them every page of my passport, yung degree certificate ko may "seal" naman saka pirma ng mga principal at president ng school ko, pati transcript etc

*** nagpagawa po ako sa boss ko ng statutory declaration, whereas siya ang afiant. bakit po nila sinasabi na self-statutory declaration yung ginawa ko

Please po, sana may mag magandang loob sa inyo. Kulang na kami sa 30 days tapos xmas vacation pa

Saan po ba ako nagkamali at ano ang dapat "exactly" gawin?

Thanks in advance. Merry Xmas!

AlphaMale · December 2013

Hello Sirs and Ma'ams. As you may see bago lang po ako dito sa forums and also just starting to collect my required documents. I will read as much reference as I can and post some questions here too. Speaking of question... I've had 2 years 8 months experience in a call center as technical support for ISP from 2005 to 2008. Stopped working for 2 and half years. Back to work in 2011 as customer service rep (call center ulet) for 6 months then lumipat ako sa another company. This is time yung position ko is a Network Engineer. From 2011 until October this year kasi I got promoted as a Network Trainer same current company. Kung yung experiences ko from the first call center and sa current company ko yung ilalagay ko will total of 5 years and 2 months, ok na kaya to for the assessment? Especially that my previous experience was in a call center? Thanks in advance!
Hi. I'm also a newbie and still learning the ropes around here. But my understanding is that if you're planning to nominate an ICT occupation (which I assume you are since you're on this thread), ACS will only consider your work experience which is relevant to your nominated occupation (network engineer or trainee whichever the case may be). So say out of those 5 years, you spent 2 years as a customer support agent for billing, for example, those 2 years won't be counted by ACS.

Take this with a grain of salt though.

Thanks for the reply. I'm actually not planning to include the customer service rep as I know it's not relevant for job code 263111. What I'm really worried of is if the technical support rep, which I will include a detailed job description such as configuring residential network equipment, will be considered by ACS. Because with my current job as a network engineer (this time it's far more hardcore; configuring PE and CE routers for BGP over MPLS network as well as carrier-grade switches), I only have 2 years and 4 months which may not be enough to get the threshold of 3 years relevant experience. But I'm still looking positively on that. Have you heard of someone here with the same call center experience got credit for such job? Thanks thanks!

natnor · December 2013

@soma you need all documents to be photocopied then have it certified... normally you do this through lawyers that can do the certification... they will be the one to put the stamp 'Certified True Copy...'

As for the statutory declaration, you need to use the format that they accept.... you may use this link to download the format
https://my.unsw.edu.au/student/academiclife/StatDec.pdf

Betchay · December 2013

@soma ako bumalik ako sa school,employers and DFA para ipacertified true copy ko siya sa school nmn sabihin mo na yan alam na nila gagawin nila aware sila sa certification na ganyan sa employer mo naman sabihin mo kailangan kita ung words na Certified True Copy then pirmahan nila ulit sa DFA naman punta ka sabihin momagpapaCTC ka ng passport same day ko rin natapos lahat. gawin mo nakaagad habang di pa Christmas break.

soma · December 2013

thank you natnor and betchay. yan nga ang kinakatakot ko.... yung bumalik sa DFA, school etc para patatakan ng certified true copy. ang weird nga kasi certified true copy yung birth certificate ko pero ni-reject pa din nila

Natnor, confirmed ba na pwede na yung stamp ng lawyer with "certified true copy" on each page of the documents? Ayoko na kasi bumalik sa mga institutions para mag certify dahil super gahol na kami sa time, and i'm pretty sure di na kami maasikaso dahil magpapasko na. Sorry for the persistence, gusto ko lang maka siguro kung pwede kasi ibang paraan yung ginawa ni betchay. Thanks!

Abraham · December 2013

thank you natnor and betchay. yan nga ang kinakatakot ko.... yung bumalik sa DFA, school etc para patatakan ng certified true copy. ang weird nga kasi certified true copy yung birth certificate ko pero ni-reject pa din nila

Natnor, confirmed ba na pwede na yung stamp ng lawyer with "certified true copy" on each page of the documents? Ayoko na kasi bumalik sa mga institutions para mag certify dahil super gahol na kami sa time, and i'm pretty sure di na kami maasikaso dahil magpapasko na. Sorry for the persistence, gusto ko lang maka siguro kung pwede kasi ibang paraan yung ginawa ni betchay. Thanks!

As far as I know, okay na yung ipa photo copy each page then ipa CTC each page as well. Any notary public will do who offer CTC. This is what I am planning to do once ma complete ko na yung mga docs ko. Sa statutory dec naman, kailangan muna ipa notaryo then ipa photo copy yung may notary na, then pa CTC (please correct me if Im wrong).. That's what I have learned here sa forum and as per previews advise ng mga date ng nag pa access.

Sa mga experts and naka experience na ng mga ganitong scenario, please share your inputs.

natnor · December 2013

@soma I submitted photocopies of my documents with CTC stamp. Abraham is right bout Stat doc having both notary and CTC.

soma · December 2013

Thanks guys for the replies

I went to a notary public today (SyCip law office in Paseo, Makati). Sabi nung notary public dun, hindi daw sila c-CTC, dapat daw dalhin ko yung docs ko sa DFA, NSO, saka sa school ko, para patatakan. I guess, not all notary public offers CTC stamp.

I trust you guys are correct. So tanong ko lang sana kung saan kayo nagpanotarize na nag ooffer ng CTC?

Thanks!

eccen3k · December 2013

@soma
ganito po yung sample ng stamps sa docs ko. 4 yung pang stamp ng lawyer then nag sign sya every page. hth

Abraham · December 2013

Thanks guys for the replies I went to a notary public today (SyCip law office in Paseo, Makati). Sabi nung notary public dun, hindi daw sila c-CTC, dapat daw dalhin ko yung docs ko sa DFA, NSO, saka sa school ko, para patatakan. I guess, not all notary public offers CTC stamp.

I trust you guys are correct. So tanong ko lang sana kung saan kayo nagpanotarize na nag ooffer ng CTC?

Thanks!

Actually, tanong ko din yan date dito sa forum. San nga ba pwede mag pa notarize and CTC na rin within metro manila? Dun sana sa tested na and natangap na ng ACS with suitable assessment.

pmzinoz · December 2013

@ lexxus/dens

ECE din ako with soft engineering/programming work and was ACS certified with equivalent Degree, Major in computing.. as long as may computer subjects ka and may proof ka sa work experience mo na analyst programmer ka, you should be ok..

appledeuce · December 2013

Race against time. Suspended na ang ICT occupations sa state sponsorship ng Orana. Mukhang malapit na rin siya icut sa SOL/ CSOL.

soma · December 2013

@eccen3k maraming salamat sa sample

that's exactly what i'm looking for. i'm going to show this to the law offices that i visit here in manila. sana meron silang stamp na ganyan, dahil so far I was turned down by two law offices already.

i'd really appreciate if anyone can share kung saan kayo nagpa certify ng documents ninyo. I have a few days left bago mag expire yung 30 days ng ACS. i risk losing what i paid for, pag hindi natapos

markymapanao · December 2013

Hi,

A newbie here, my wife and I were planning to try there in australia...in my current job im handling an avaya pabx...just wondering who will be my assessing body...what will be my first step...i hope i can receive replies...thank you in advance mga kababayan...sana palarin po kami....

moonwitchbleu · December 2013

Thanks for the reply. I'm actually not planning to include the customer service rep as I know it's not relevant for job code 263111. What I'm really worried of is if the technical support rep, which I will include a detailed job description such as configuring residential network equipment, will be considered by ACS. Because with my current job as a network engineer (this time it's far more hardcore; configuring PE and CE routers for BGP over MPLS network as well as carrier-grade switches), I only have 2 years and 4 months which may not be enough to get the threshold of 3 years relevant experience. But I'm still looking positively on that. Have you heard of someone here with the same call center experience got credit for such job? Thanks thanks!

hI @AlphaMale, as long as na meet naman and job descriptions stated sa occupation na gusto mo ipa assess, it should be okay. You may find the occupation job description sa site nila like this -> http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/occupations/c/computer-network-and-systems-engineer.htm

But from what I know, acs will deduct atleast 2 years from your work experience.

soma · December 2013

@soma
ganito po yung sample ng stamps sa docs ko. 4 yung pang stamp ng lawyer then nag sign sya every page. hth

I went to another Notary Public today, and for the 3rd time, they told me na wala silang stamp that says "certified true copy etc.". What they did was, write a separate affidavit for each of my documents (birth cert, diploma etc).

I have a feeling baka hindi tanggapin ng ACS, dahil gusto nila naka stamp on each page :S

May kilala ba kayo na notary public who has a "stamp" like this?

moonwitchbleu · December 2013

Hi @soma, try mo tingnan sa thread na to baka may nakuha ka idea http://pinoyau.info/discussion/89/notary-public-certified-true-copies/p1

soma · December 2013

@moonwitchbleu Thank you moonwitchbleu. Yes, I've also scanned through that thread and learned a lot. As per that thread, dapat talaga may stamp ang bawat page. Too bad hindi sila katulad ng DIAC who accepts colored scan copies because mine are.

What I failed to find in that thread is a suggestion of a law office/notarial service who has this STAMP, similar to what I attached earlier. I have been to 3 notarial services and was turned down. One of them gave me an affidavit instead. But ACS clearly wants that STAMP on each page. I'm looking for a Notary Public that has this stamp.

appledeuce · December 2013

^@soma, iirc, one of the regular posters here had his docs CTC'd at a NP in front of the PRC office. You can also try the NP right beside McDonald's Mindanao/Tandang Sora.

Abraham · December 2013

^@soma, iirc, one of the regular posters here had his docs CTC'd at a NP in front of the PRC office. You can also try the NP right beside McDonald's Mindanao/Tandang Sora.

I went at prc (near morayta) last 2 weeks ago. Marami nga np dun but are those np's are tested and accepted by ACS? Don't get me wrong kase parang hindi talaga cla law opis or legit. May iba nga dun na para lng side walk vendor at nag set up ng table with signage Notary Public. As per other discussions here, may instances kc na tinatawagan ung law opis or notary public for clarification ng mga nag aacess.

AlphaMale · December 2013

salamats @moonwitchbleu.
i'm really hoping they will consider that as a relevant experience so i can have a little over than 5 years related experience in total. cheers!

soma · January 2014

^@soma, iirc, one of the regular posters here had his docs CTC'd at a NP in front of the PRC office. You can also try the NP right beside McDonald's Mindanao/Tandang Sora.
I went at prc (near morayta) last 2 weeks ago. Marami nga np dun but are those np's are tested and accepted by ACS? Don't get me wrong kase parang hindi talaga cla law opis or legit. May iba nga dun na para lng side walk vendor at nag set up ng table with signage Notary Public. As per other discussions here, may instances kc na tinatawagan ung law opis or notary public for clarification ng mga nag aacess.

Thanks appledeuce, i'll try to visit these NP's if I don't find any luck with the NP's near our city hall.

@Abraham - I have the same doubts about going to such NP's which is why I initially opted to get certification from big corporate law offices. Unfortunately, none of them agreed to stamp each page, and no one has this kind of stamp in their possession.

moonwitchbleu · January 2014

you're welcome @Abraham and @soma. Pag nagpa CTC kayo check nyo rin until when they are authorized. I think may expiry yung license nila to notarize or to give CTC stamp.

iamfi · January 2014

@densp72 hello..ask ko lng po dhil major in ICT ung BSECE sa Mapua..meaning wala deduction sa work experience mo? kc nagpa assess aq last december lang..BSECE din po sa Mapua, tas 3 years experience lng sa work..magkaka 5 points ba aq because of that? or 0 points pa din dhil need nila ng 2years experience na madeduct? thanks

lexxus · January 2014

@densp72 thanks for sharing your experience. Magtry ako mag pass though pag hindi mag positive not sure kung kaya ko mag- appeal. Anong year ka po graduate ng bsece? Thanks

lexxus · January 2014

@pmzinoz - Ayun salamat din sa response kahit papaano nadagdagan ang lakas ng loob ko to pursue. Thanks.

kremitz · January 2014

Need ur help guys..umm if section 3 ang school then computer engineering ang course, possible ba ba na equivalent to bachelors degree yung assessment? or diploma lang?

appledeuce · January 2014

^@soma, iirc, one of the regular posters here had his docs CTC'd at a NP in front of the PRC office. You can also try the NP right beside McDonald's Mindanao/Tandang Sora.
I went at prc (near morayta) last 2 weeks ago. Marami nga np dun but are those np's are tested and accepted by ACS? Don't get me wrong kase parang hindi talaga cla law opis or legit. May iba nga dun na para lng side walk vendor at nag set up ng table with signage Notary Public. As per other discussions here, may instances kc na tinatawagan ung law opis or notary public for clarification ng mga nag aacess.
Thanks appledeuce, i'll try to visit these NP's if I don't find any luck with the NP's near our city hall.

@Abraham - I have the same doubts about going to such NP's which is why I initially opted to get certification from big corporate law offices. Unfortunately, none of them agreed to stamp each page, and no one has this kind of stamp in their possession.

@soma @Abraham, kung malapit kayo sa Quezon City Hall, may NP dun sa left wing ng main entrance, PNP office siya. Php100 per document. Mukhang legit naman:

soma · January 2014

Finally got my docs certified with a CTC stamp. I got mine done by a corporate lawyer. Gusto ko sana i-share, pero nakaka hiya dahil pinaki-usapan lang namin sa isa pang connection namin.

However, may napuntahan ako sa Mandaluyong city hall (4th floor), meron silang ganitong stamp (kaso nung pag punta ko, wala pa daw yung pang 2014). 100 lang din per page. Madali sila kausap, just bring your original copies and no other questions asked. Look for Cathy, yung secretary ng Notary Public.

Sana OK na yung re-upload ko sa ACS website. Thanks sa lahat! @moonwitchbleu and @appledeuce

lexxus · January 2014

Qustion po regarding statutory declaration, nagback read po kasi ako ng mejo matagal na thread dito ang sabi if nasa pinas use affidavit otherwise use statutory declaration. Gusto ko lang po iconfirm kung ano yung mga ginamit nyo na most of the time nagwowork? Ayaw kasi magbigay ng job description ng previous employer ko. Thanks!