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General Skilled Immigration Visa - Step By Step Process
batmanDarwin Australia Posts: 3,520Member, Moderator Joined: Oct 04, 2011
@cyborg5 immediate family member, non migrating are subject to medical as well.
221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
batmanDarwin Australia Posts: 3,520Member, Moderator Joined: Oct 04, 2011
Good day po sa lahat! Newbie po here... Naka base po ako now sa Singapore and interested to apply for Permanent Residence sa Australia with my family, pwede po ba mag ask how to start? I am still reading din po dito pra po maka kalap ng details but appreciate po if you can help to response on the first move na need ko. Salamat po ng marami!
welcome to the forum. first you need to identify which occupation you can nominate. read along lang you will pick up steps along the way. Also take English test. .
you can also have an assessment with a registered agent. to see what are your chances.
221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
@batman@cyborg5 i think they have changed the health requirements for non-migrating dependents, in which they don't require medicals. iyong akin kasi character documents lang hiningi and form 1221.
Timeline: Student Visa Subclass 573 (Masters)
06 July 2015: Visa Grant
April 2018: Uni Graduation
Timeline: Permanent Visa (189) Accountant 221111
18 April 2018: ITA received - Visa 189
04 May 2018 : Lodged Visa Application - Visa 189
29 Aug 2018 - First CO Contact - PCC Qatar (partner)
9 Jan 2019 - 2nd CO Contact - penal waiver
18 Jan 2019 - Updated immiaccount with penal waiver
29 Jan 2019 - Forwarded PCC to gsm.allocated email
8 Feb 2019 - Visa Grant - Finally!!
Timeline: Citizenship
July 2020: Application lodgment
May 2021: Citizenship Exam
Feb 2022: Oi! Oi! Oi! Aussie na din sa wakas!
kymmeWestern Australia Posts: 1,284Member Joined: Apr 10, 2015
@madc ano po occupation nyo? dpende po ksi ung pathway sa occupation
Registered Nurse Nec
06/15 - touchdown Oz
07/15 - start of classes (Bachelor in Nursing)
05/16 - passed OET (after 4 failed attempts with IELTS and PTE)
07/16 - finished uni
07/16 - received AHPRA Australian Registered Nurse rego
08/16 - student visa 500 (Diploma)
10/16 - started working as an RN
07/09/17 - Submitted EOI for State Nom Vic with 60points
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me
Hi po! Question lang, yung BReN po ba yung Identification Number ng Birth Cert.? If yes, ilang digits po doon or lahat po ba included?
batmanDarwin Australia Posts: 3,520Member, Moderator Joined: Oct 04, 2011
@RejNaix11 when asked about that sa mga forms nilagay ko ng NA.
221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
Hi good day po sa lahat. Hihingi po sana kami ng advise, nagpaplan po kaming magapply. Details po namin as follow:
Hubby (36ys old) Civil Engineer – Graduated 2005 (Licensed) Work History Phil: 2006-2008 – Site Engineer Qatar: 2008-2010 – Project Engineer SG: 2010-Present - Site Engineer-Planning Mngr
Wife (36yrs old) Civil Engineer – Graduated 2005 (Licensed) Work History Phil: 2006-2008 – Engineer II Phil: 2008-2009 – QS Engineer I Phil: 2009-2011 – Quantity Surveyor SG: 2011-Present – Quantity Surveyor
1. Hingi po sana kami ng advise kung sino po sa amin ang mas malaki ung chance po ng positive result ng assessment? 2. Iniisip rin po namin na mag-engage ng immigration agency dahil medyo tight na po yung time frame dahil po sa age namin. Ano po bang chance rate na maging successful kapag nag-engage kami ng agency?
Maraming salamat po in advance.
(By the way po, I will post din po sa other threads to gain more advise)
Hi good day po sa lahat. Hihingi po sana kami ng advise, nagpaplan po kaming magapply. Details po namin as follow:
Hubby (36ys old) Civil Engineer – Graduated 2005 (Licensed) Work History Phil: 2006-2008 – Site Engineer Qatar: 2008-2010 – Project Engineer SG: 2010-Present - Site Engineer-Planning Mngr
Wife (36yrs old) Civil Engineer – Graduated 2005 (Licensed) Work History Phil: 2006-2008 – Engineer II Phil: 2008-2009 – QS Engineer I Phil: 2009-2011 – Quantity Surveyor SG: 2011-Present – Quantity Surveyor
1. Hingi po sana kami ng advise kung sino po sa amin ang mas malaki ung chance po ng positive result ng assessment? 2. Iniisip rin po namin na mag-engage ng immigration agency dahil medyo tight na po yung time frame dahil po sa age namin. Ano po bang chance rate na maging successful kapag nag-engage kami ng agency?
Maraming salamat po in advance.
(By the way po, I will post din po sa other threads to gain more advise)
1. mag-pa assess kayo both para makita nyo kung sino ang mas narecognize ng EA. kung pareho ang results, magagamit nyo din yun as Partner Skill points "+5 points". 2. pare-pareho ang chance rate as long as maprovide/satisfy nyo ang AU. mas madali lang buhay kapag may agency dahil guided kayo ng correct procedure at masasagot ang mga concerns nyo.
try nyo na ding mag english exam, dapat maka-79 kayo sa 4 major bands Listening, Reading, Writing and Speaking. in case na pareho ng qualifications ang ibigay ng assessor sainyo (EA), eto ang magdidictate kung sino ang magiging primary sainyo. hindi din masasayang to dahil kasama to sa requirement for partner skill points.
mas maganda nga kung parehas talaga dahil wala namang masasayang,
EA assessment for partner points, yung iba nga nanghihinayang at hindi same list yung occupation nila para makapagpa-assess at makuha yung +5 for partner.
imauSingapore Posts: 459Member Joined: Aug 20, 2018
Hi newbie rin po dito. hind ko ppo msydong nbbsa ung ibang forum. For submission po kme ng vetassess. May employment po kc ung asawa ko nung 2008 na wala nawala npo yung contract nya. Pero ngbigay po ng Employment Cert, Payslip saka Work Reference. Okay lang po kaya? O kelangan tlg pti un maiprovide? kasi medyo mtgl na po.
Thanks po in advance
imauSingapore Posts: 459Member Joined: Aug 20, 2018
For Partner Points po, ilang years po ang required na work experience for assessment? Ung asawa ko po e 11 years, magkaage kme pero dahil nagsstop ako kapag nagkakababy ano po ung required experience pero same field po kme (Archi/Interior)
batmanDarwin Australia Posts: 3,520Member, Moderator Joined: Oct 04, 2011
221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
imauSingapore Posts: 459Member Joined: Aug 20, 2018
@batman thanks po. Sa post ko po nato, kelangan ko ppo b mgrequest ng contract dun sa wala n employer bk po kasi mkulitan na sa akin.
Hi newbie rin po dito. hind ko ppo msydong nbbsa ung ibang forum. For submission po kme ng vetassess. May employment po kc ung asawa ko nung 2008 na wala nawala npo yung contract nya. Pero ngbigay po ng Employment Cert, Payslip saka Work Reference. Okay lang po kaya? O kelangan tlg pti un maiprovide? kasi medyo mtgl na po.
Thanks po in advance
ShyShyShyPhilippines Posts: 264Member Joined: Jun 16, 2014
@michaelguanzon_ust Congrats, can you share me your reviewers for the PTE? Thank you.
batmanDarwin Australia Posts: 3,520Member, Moderator Joined: Oct 04, 2011
@imau ok lng kong wala contract. Lagyan mo n lng cover letter bakit wala na.
221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
imauSingapore Posts: 459Member Joined: Aug 20, 2018
Hay thank you po medyo nkhinga nko. Msusubmit npo nmin ung s verassess. Thank u po s pgreply
@batman hi batman
Ask ko lang din po for my friend,kasi mag papa assess yung husband nya para maka claim sila ng 5pts (wife is the main applicant) kaso si husband is IE graduate but working for a different field for 10yrs plus, so pag nag pa assess po siya sa EA wala na ung RSEA? Ok pa din po yung 5points pag ganun?
batmanDarwin Australia Posts: 3,520Member, Moderator Joined: Oct 04, 2011
@lashes below are the requirements for claiming partner skills:
•is under 45 years of age •has competent English •has an occupation that is on the same skilled occupations list as your nominated occupation •has been assessed by the relevant assessing authority as having suitable skills for their nominated occupation •is coming to Australia with you •is not an Australian citizen or permanent resident.
based on the above it only requires suitable skills assessment not employment assessment per my understanding.
221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
@lashes hi po. Makikigulo, hehe. Ano po ang ipapa assess ni hubby kay EA, IE po ba? Kung tama ang alala ko dapat ang career ep ay for the past 10yrs, at kung hndi po IE ang work nya, pano nya masasatisfy ung skills nya as IE?
Pero meron pala ko nabasa dito nuon na ang career ep ay based sa school project at in-acknowledge naman ni ea, di ko lang sure kung pwd pa un ngayon/ kung pwd din ganon gawin ni hubby
imauSingapore Posts: 459Member Joined: Aug 20, 2018
edited September 2018
@batman Makikisali nrn po ako, regarding po sa partner assessment. Bale ang worry ko po kc same field kme ng asawa ko, Archi po preho pero ID po sya ngpasa, ako po same nya my ID experience may Archl. Pero ako po within 10 years prng ns 4 years lng po ung ngtrabaho akonpgpinagsamasama. Nagstop stop dahil po sa babies. Pagnanganak. Tas meron po dun ID my Archi.
Tanong ko po, may mkuha p kya akong points sa Vetassess kung mgpapaassess? Isa po s naiisp ko ung magsuperior sa PTE ung asawa ko para maharak kme ng dnko mgpaassess. Any idea po.
batmanDarwin Australia Posts: 3,520Member, Moderator Joined: Oct 04, 2011
@imau my understanding pag positive skill assessment si partner maka claim ng points regardless how many years of experience unless pag vetasses yata na require na nag work para may positive assessment.
221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
imauSingapore Posts: 459Member Joined: Aug 20, 2018
@batman ang ibig sbihin po ba iba ung vetassess iba rn ung skills assessment n cnsb pr s partner? Meaninng po qualifications lng tntgnan hnd ung gaya s main applicant na pinupuntusqn tlg per year. Pcncy npo dme ko tnong Dpko gno ngfocus s basa kpg s partner npo. Vetassess plng first stage kme. Next nmn po aralin nmin pno tumaas pte.
Pero nung nglodge po kayo ng vetassess tas hnd priority ilang weeks inabot?
Salamat po tlg.
batmanDarwin Australia Posts: 3,520Member, Moderator Joined: Oct 04, 2011
@imau example lang yung vetasses. di ko lam ang sa occupation mo.
221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
imauSingapore Posts: 459Member Joined: Aug 20, 2018
Archi po. Pede rn id. Same lng po s asawa ko.
XwWrfwxdeleted Posts: 145Member Joined: May 21, 2018
edited September 2018
hey guys, quick question: ano ung correct na pagfillup ng GIVEN NAME sa EOI?
ex.
PASSPORT:
LAST NAME: CHAN
FIRST NAME: JOSE MARI
MIDDLE NAME: LIM
EOI:
A)
LAST NAME: CHAN
GIVEN NAMES: JOSE MARI
or should it be
LAST NAME: CHAN
GIVEN NAMES: JOSE MARI LIM
pag binago ko ba EOI ko mababago rin ung DOE? and would it matter sa EOI or pwede sa Visa application icorrect?
I've read up on this pero i just wanted to confirm. Thanks guys!
09-JUL-2018 - ACS submission
11-JUL-2018 - ACS submission - CTC'd documents
22-AUG-2018 - PTE exam
23-AUG-2018 - PTE results (primary) - 90 overall L/R/S/W 90/90/90/88
24-AUG-2018 - PTE results (spouse) - 80 overall
27-AUG-2018 - ACS results (primary) - positive
28-AUG-2018 - ACS results (spouse) - positive
29-AUG-2018 - VISA subclass 189 - EOI lodged
10-SEPT-2018 - Marriage Certificate - [pending] correction (RA9048)
05-OCT-2018 - NBI Clearance (spouse) - [with HIT] for new passport
10-OCT-2018 - VISA subclass 189 - ITA received
11-OCT-2018 - NBI Clearance (spouse) - for new passport
13-OCT-2018 - DFA appt. for new passport under married name
17-OCT-2018 - NBI Clearance (primary) - [with HIT]
23-OCT-2018 - NBI Clearance (primary)
26-OCT-2018 - VISA subclass 189 - application lodged
10-NOV-2018 - Medical exam at Nationwide Makati
14-NOV-2018 - Medical exam (spouse) - Health clearance provided – no action required
03-DEC-2018 - Medical exam (primary) - TB test ongoing
05-DEC-2018 - Medical exam (primary) - TB test completed
06-DEC-2018 - Medical exam (primary) - TB smear result negative
15-JAN-2019 - Case officer contact - further medical examination
11-FEB-2019 - Medical exam (primary) - TB culture result (negative) and second xray (negative)
20-FEB-2019 - Medical exam (primary) - Health clearance provided – no action required
22-MAR-2019 - Feedback - suggestion
30-APR-2019 - Feedback - complaint
02-MAY-2019 - Case officer contact - form 815
07-MAY-2019 - Grant received! - 193 days waited
16-JUL-2019 - BM
batmanDarwin Australia Posts: 3,520Member, Moderator Joined: Oct 04, 2011
@tofurad I complete/correct mo na lang sa visa application.
221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
XwWrfwxdeleted Posts: 145Member Joined: May 21, 2018
edited September 2018
Thanks @batman ! I realized pala sa previous Visitor Visa ko, hindi ko rin minention ung middle name. AAAND sa PH passport pala GIVEN NAMES na nga yung label dun first name. whew!
Follow-up question about names: yung wife ko (dependent) mixed yung documents niya with her married and maiden name kasi we just recently just got married.
I read na yung VISA details should match the PASSPORT. since her passport is still in her maiden name, in the forms dapat maiden name parin gamitin? tapos imention nalang sa "other names known by" yung married name? tama po ba ang ganitong approach?
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221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
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you can also have an assessment with a registered agent. to see what are your chances.
221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
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Timeline: Student Visa Subclass 573 (Masters)
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Timeline: Permanent Visa (189) Accountant 221111
18 April 2018: ITA received - Visa 189
04 May 2018 : Lodged Visa Application - Visa 189
29 Aug 2018 - First CO Contact - PCC Qatar (partner)
9 Jan 2019 - 2nd CO Contact - penal waiver
18 Jan 2019 - Updated immiaccount with penal waiver
29 Jan 2019 - Forwarded PCC to gsm.allocated email
8 Feb 2019 - Visa Grant - Finally!!
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July 2020: Application lodgment
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07/16 - received AHPRA Australian Registered Nurse rego
08/16 - student visa 500 (Diploma)
10/16 - started working as an RN
07/09/17 - Submitted EOI for State Nom Vic with 60points
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221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
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Hubby (36ys old)
Civil Engineer – Graduated 2005 (Licensed)
Work History
Phil: 2006-2008 – Site Engineer
Qatar: 2008-2010 – Project Engineer
SG: 2010-Present - Site Engineer-Planning Mngr
Wife (36yrs old)
Civil Engineer – Graduated 2005 (Licensed)
Work History
Phil: 2006-2008 – Engineer II
Phil: 2008-2009 – QS Engineer I
Phil: 2009-2011 – Quantity Surveyor
SG: 2011-Present – Quantity Surveyor
1. Hingi po sana kami ng advise kung sino po sa amin ang mas malaki ung chance po ng positive result ng assessment?
2. Iniisip rin po namin na mag-engage ng immigration agency dahil medyo tight na po yung time frame dahil po sa age namin. Ano po bang chance rate na maging successful kapag nag-engage kami ng agency?
Maraming salamat po in advance.
(By the way po, I will post din po sa other threads to gain more advise)
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1. mag-pa assess kayo both para makita nyo kung sino ang mas narecognize ng EA. kung pareho ang results, magagamit nyo din yun as Partner Skill points "+5 points".
2. pare-pareho ang chance rate as long as maprovide/satisfy nyo ang AU. mas madali lang buhay kapag may agency dahil guided kayo ng correct procedure at masasagot ang mga concerns nyo.
try nyo na ding mag english exam, dapat maka-79 kayo sa 4 major bands Listening, Reading, Writing and Speaking. in case na pareho ng qualifications ang ibigay ng assessor sainyo (EA), eto ang magdidictate kung sino ang magiging primary sainyo. hindi din masasayang to dahil kasama to sa requirement for partner skill points.
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mas maganda nga kung parehas talaga dahil wala namang masasayang,
EA assessment for partner points, yung iba nga nanghihinayang at hindi same list yung occupation nila para makapagpa-assess at makuha yung +5 for partner.
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Thank you po sa response at advise.
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Thanks po in advance
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221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
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ANZSCO: Age: 30 | English: 10 | Experience: 15 | Education: 15
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221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
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Ask ko lang din po for my friend,kasi mag papa assess yung husband nya para maka claim sila ng 5pts (wife is the main applicant) kaso si husband is IE graduate but working for a different field for 10yrs plus, so pag nag pa assess po siya sa EA wala na ung RSEA? Ok pa din po yung 5points pag ganun?
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•is under 45 years of age
•has competent English
•has an occupation that is on the same skilled occupations list as your nominated occupation
•has been assessed by the relevant assessing authority as having suitable skills for their nominated occupation
•is coming to Australia with you
•is not an Australian citizen or permanent resident.
based on the above it only requires suitable skills assessment not employment assessment per my understanding.
221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
Joined: Oct 19, 2016
Pero meron pala ko nabasa dito nuon na ang career ep ay based sa school project at in-acknowledge naman ni ea, di ko lang sure kung pwd pa un ngayon/ kung pwd din ganon gawin ni hubby
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Tanong ko po, may mkuha p kya akong points sa Vetassess kung mgpapaassess? Isa po s naiisp ko ung magsuperior sa PTE ung asawa ko para maharak kme ng dnko mgpaassess. Any idea po.
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221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
Posts: 459Member
Joined: Aug 20, 2018
Pero nung nglodge po kayo ng vetassess tas hnd priority ilang weeks inabot?
Salamat po tlg.
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221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
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ex.
PASSPORT:
LAST NAME: CHAN
FIRST NAME: JOSE MARI
MIDDLE NAME: LIM
EOI:
A)
LAST NAME: CHAN
GIVEN NAMES: JOSE MARI
or should it be
LAST NAME: CHAN
GIVEN NAMES: JOSE MARI LIM
pag binago ko ba EOI ko mababago rin ung DOE? and would it matter sa EOI or pwede sa Visa application icorrect?
I've read up on this pero i just wanted to confirm. Thanks guys!
261312 Developer Programmer | 189 | Age: 30 | Education: 15 | Experience: 5 | English: 20 | Partner: 5 | TOTAL: 75
09-JUL-2018 - ACS submission
11-JUL-2018 - ACS submission - CTC'd documents
22-AUG-2018 - PTE exam
23-AUG-2018 - PTE results (primary) - 90 overall L/R/S/W 90/90/90/88
24-AUG-2018 - PTE results (spouse) - 80 overall
27-AUG-2018 - ACS results (primary) - positive
28-AUG-2018 - ACS results (spouse) - positive
29-AUG-2018 - VISA subclass 189 - EOI lodged
10-SEPT-2018 - Marriage Certificate - [pending] correction (RA9048)
05-OCT-2018 - NBI Clearance (spouse) - [with HIT] for new passport
10-OCT-2018 - VISA subclass 189 - ITA received
11-OCT-2018 - NBI Clearance (spouse) - for new passport
13-OCT-2018 - DFA appt. for new passport under married name
17-OCT-2018 - NBI Clearance (primary) - [with HIT]
23-OCT-2018 - NBI Clearance (primary)
26-OCT-2018 - VISA subclass 189 - application lodged
10-NOV-2018 - Medical exam at Nationwide Makati
14-NOV-2018 - Medical exam (spouse) - Health clearance provided – no action required
03-DEC-2018 - Medical exam (primary) - TB test ongoing
05-DEC-2018 - Medical exam (primary) - TB test completed
06-DEC-2018 - Medical exam (primary) - TB smear result negative
15-JAN-2019 - Case officer contact - further medical examination
11-FEB-2019 - Medical exam (primary) - TB culture result (negative) and second xray (negative)
20-FEB-2019 - Medical exam (primary) - Health clearance provided – no action required
22-MAR-2019 - Feedback - suggestion
30-APR-2019 - Feedback - complaint
02-MAY-2019 - Case officer contact - form 815
07-MAY-2019 - Grant received! - 193 days waited
16-JUL-2019 - BM
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221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
- collating requirements for NT SS application
18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
- was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
- engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
02|05|18 - PCC processing
20|05|18 - Medical
06|06|18 - Visa payment
15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
09|02|19 - Big move
11|02|19 - First job interview
12|02|19 - Received a job offer
13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home
Posts: 145Member
Joined: May 21, 2018
Follow-up question about names: yung wife ko (dependent) mixed yung documents niya with her married and maiden name kasi we just recently just got married.
I read na yung VISA details should match the PASSPORT. since her passport is still in her maiden name, in the forms dapat maiden name parin gamitin? tapos imention nalang sa "other names known by" yung married name? tama po ba ang ganitong approach?
261312 Developer Programmer | 189 | Age: 30 | Education: 15 | Experience: 5 | English: 20 | Partner: 5 | TOTAL: 75
09-JUL-2018 - ACS submission
11-JUL-2018 - ACS submission - CTC'd documents
22-AUG-2018 - PTE exam
23-AUG-2018 - PTE results (primary) - 90 overall L/R/S/W 90/90/90/88
24-AUG-2018 - PTE results (spouse) - 80 overall
27-AUG-2018 - ACS results (primary) - positive
28-AUG-2018 - ACS results (spouse) - positive
29-AUG-2018 - VISA subclass 189 - EOI lodged
10-SEPT-2018 - Marriage Certificate - [pending] correction (RA9048)
05-OCT-2018 - NBI Clearance (spouse) - [with HIT] for new passport
10-OCT-2018 - VISA subclass 189 - ITA received
11-OCT-2018 - NBI Clearance (spouse) - for new passport
13-OCT-2018 - DFA appt. for new passport under married name
17-OCT-2018 - NBI Clearance (primary) - [with HIT]
23-OCT-2018 - NBI Clearance (primary)
26-OCT-2018 - VISA subclass 189 - application lodged
10-NOV-2018 - Medical exam at Nationwide Makati
14-NOV-2018 - Medical exam (spouse) - Health clearance provided – no action required
03-DEC-2018 - Medical exam (primary) - TB test ongoing
05-DEC-2018 - Medical exam (primary) - TB test completed
06-DEC-2018 - Medical exam (primary) - TB smear result negative
15-JAN-2019 - Case officer contact - further medical examination
11-FEB-2019 - Medical exam (primary) - TB culture result (negative) and second xray (negative)
20-FEB-2019 - Medical exam (primary) - Health clearance provided – no action required
22-MAR-2019 - Feedback - suggestion
30-APR-2019 - Feedback - complaint
02-MAY-2019 - Case officer contact - form 815
07-MAY-2019 - Grant received! - 193 days waited
16-JUL-2019 - BM
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Some people marry and don’t change their names at all.