Australian Computer Society Skills Application

jaceejoef

question po.

kakakuha ko lang ng COE sa current work ko. binigay ko ang Description of Employment Duties ng Software Engineer then I instruct them to align or at least use keywords from it pero ang ginawa kinopya lahat ng nakalagay dun (as in bullet per bullet, word per word) at yun ang nilagay sa job description ko.

magkakaproblema ba yun?

Heprex

@pindiola It depends sa skill mo now. ano nominated skill mo? at yung actual work mo?

Read this for guidelines regarding Appeal and Review application.

https://more.acs.org.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/8158/Review-and-Appeal-Guide-2014.pdf

note that Review application and Appeal are different.

Heprex

@jaceejoef ganto mismo?

 researching, consulting, analyzing and evaluating system program needs

 identifying technology limitations and deficiencies in existing systems and associated processes, procedures

and methods

 testing, debugging, diagnosing and correcting errors and faults in an applications programming language

within established testing protocols, guidelines and quality standards to ensure programs and applications

perform to specification

 writing and maintaining program code to meet system requirements, system designs and technical

specifications in accordance with quality accredited standards

 writing, updating and maintaining technical program, end user documentation and operational procedures

 providing advice, guidance and expertise in developing proposals and strategies for software design activities

such as financial evaluation and costing for recommending software purchases and upgrades

Tingin ko mag kakaprob ka nyan. kahit mismo galing sa HR galing yung COE.

Edit: kung ganun naman pala ginagawa ng HR. hanap ka na lang sa google ng hiring ng software engineer, yun palagay mo. hahahaha

jaceejoef

@Heprex yup, yan talaga. copy-paste lahat ng bullets

kala ko kasi may template na sila kaya sabi ko paki-align na lang.

Heprex

I just received my appeal refund. 🙂 Maligayang pasko sa lahat! May pang book na ako ng PTE ulit. Hahaha

chmscrbbrfck

would just like to ask if I can also appeal the work experience deducted or is it already definite that if your degree is assessed as AQF diploma, 4-5 years will be deducted regardless if your experience is related to your anzcode... also lets say you were granted a PR, do employers look at your ACS assessment? so if 5 years were deducted from your 6 years work exp, employers would only recognize 1 year work exp?

Thanks and merry christmas

Heprex

@chmscrbbrfck nope, i dont think it does work that way. Deduction is for acs compliant only. Employers will still look to your whole qualification.

chmscrbbrfck

@Heprex ohh nice nice.. thanks ! btw can you appeal the number of years deducted from your work exp?

Heprex

@chmscrbbrfck I dont think so. Yun ata kase ruling nila eh. I dont recommend it.

rich88

<blockquote class="Quote" rel="chmscrbbrfck">@Heprex ohh nice nice.. thanks ! btw can you appeal the number of years deducted from your work exp?</blockquote>

You can always re-appeal, but make sure you have solid evidences to back your appeal statement else you're going to waste A$395.

Review your TOR and compare it with the list of core subjects in the ACS guidelines before deciding whether to appeal the decision or not.

bluerocky

Hi all! Merry Christmas & Happy New Year, Hi @rich88 , ask ko lang medyo nagugulahan pa ako bakit may deduction kapag mag papa assess ka sa ACS? hindi ba dapat iassess lang ang docs mo based on your chosen work? Kapag may deduction does this mean na na- downgrade ka sa chosen work mo?.

Newbie here still gathering my doc.

rich88

@bluerocky Ganun kasi patakaran nila eh. Check mo na lang yung summary of criteria guideline nila sa acs website.

studio719

<blockquote class="Quote" rel="bluerocky">Hi all! Merry Christmas & Happy New Year, Hi @rich88 , ask ko lang medyo nagugulahan pa ako bakit may deduction kapag mag papa assess ka sa ACS? hindi ba dapat iassess lang ang docs mo based on your chosen work? Kapag may deduction does this mean na na- downgrade ka sa chosen work mo?.

Newbie here still gathering my doc. </blockquote>

The deduction is because dun lang nila iniisip na you have already gained sufficient experience/knowledge for your chosen field to be considered as "skilled". The deducted years are yung iniisip nilang learning years mo until you got proficient in your job at papasa sa standards nila.

bluerocky

@rich88 , @studio719 thanks for the info. nabasa ko na yung guidelines and criteria pero medyo naguluhan lang ako kasi nga sa deduction so eto ang nakalagay sa guidelines....

"Only employment completed after the date you have met the ACS suitability criteria will be counted as Skilled Employment and eligible for migration points.

Work experience used to meet the suitability criteria is NOT counted as Skilled Employment and NOT eligible for migration points."

Duon ka palang magkakaroon ng point AFTER you met the ACS suitability criteria HINDI yung buong experience mo. at yung "deduction" was if you met the ACS suitability criteria yun ang ibabawas sayo at yung matitirang experience mo is for migration points. tama ba?

rich88

@bluerocky Yes. For example, pag sinabi ng ACS "the following experiences after December 2016 are assessed as suitable blahblahblah," ibig sabihin January 2016 ang start na pwede ka mag claim ng work exp.

bluerocky

@rich88, Ok, thanks, thanks, nag backread ako Com Eng ka rin pala, bakit -4 years ang nabawas sayo, anong nominated job mo?

Com eng ako at yung school ko nasa section 3 so ibig sabihin nun AQF advance diploma ako kahit ba na 5 years ako? baka 4 years din ang mabawas sa akin.

rich88

Software engineer yung nominated occupation ko kaya 4 years binawas sa akin. Kulang programming subjects ko kaya ganun yung assessment kahit section 1 ang school ko.

Depende talaga yan sa nominated occupation. Kung computer network and system engineering yung occupation ko baka 2 years lang mabawas.

Jaqui_su

Hi Everyone,

Ask ko lang po sa mga kapwa ECE na npadpad sa ICT Industry. Same kami ni husband na ECE. Pero on his first job, he has telecom experience more like sa fiber, phone and internet for home or small enterprise subscribers (5 years). Pero since nagshift na sya sa IT Career specifically in Cisco on a BPO Company sa Pinas (1 yr). Then nagapply dto sa Singapore sa IT career pa din (1 yr). Total of 7 years na. So torn kami between expressing yun careers nya kung anong skill ang apply nmen. Kung sa Telecom ba or sa IT career side nya. Kasi magkaiba yun magaassess, EA for his telecom career and ACS for the IT Career. Sya kasi ang balak namin na main applicant. Otherwise, mas mabute ba kung ako ang main applicant? 2.5 years sa project management associate sa Telco Company, tapos 4 years sa IT Career sa BPO Company.

Appreciate all your comments. God bless!

Newbie here.

Heprex

@Jaqui_su Here are my thoughts.

If hubby mo is main applicant. mas mabuti sa EA sya, kase mas madami syang exp dun. pag sa ACS sya nag pa-assess. baka di nya ma meet yung suitability criteria. Nag ddeduct si ACS ng exp to meet the criteria, minimum of 2years, if assessed as bachelors degree. so halos wala syang makukuhang points for his experience.
if ikaw main applicant, I suggest mag pa assess ka sa ACS. Make sure na match ang IT career mo sa iyong nominated occupation. in my experience, and reading through this forum, yung 263111 (computer network and system engr) lang ang almost related sa ECE. ECE din ako at yan ang nominated skill ko. Pag yan ang nominated skill mo, you can be assess as ICT major. Also check kung ano section ng school nyo kase may impact din yun sa assessment.

wala ako knowledged sa EA assessment, sorry. I suggest you read the guidelines for skill assessment ng ACS to know more.

Jaqui_su

@Heprex thank you sa mga advises mo. Pwede ko n rin ba mahingi kopya ng ginamit mo na document to prove your tasks s work experiences mo? Yun kasing COE ko walang ganong details. Gawin ko lang reference. Pa-email here lenerick10@gmail.com

Thank u so much!! 🙂

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