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70 points pero nag try ako mag retake ng pte para maka superior, pang dagdag na din. Oo 189 lang.
edmarielPERTH Posts: 124Member Joined: Oct 01, 2016
@RheaMARN1171933 superior po ba sya sa English? then kelan po ung EOI nya? thanks mam
edmarielPERTH Posts: 124Member Joined: Oct 01, 2016
@RheaMARN1171933 mam yong client nyo po na nainvite under 190 (70+5) superior po ba sya sa english and anong state po? Thanks
tsenrejean24Dubai Posts: 34Member Joined: Mar 03, 2016
edited March 2018
@islandprincess21 im not too sure.. as far as I know you need to get the equivalent at least 7 in all bands PTE or IELTS Academic..if there's no positive CPAA Assessment (Degree equivalent to Australian Standard and Skilled Migration), you wont be able to comply with the Immigration requirements.
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RheaMARN1171933Posts: 2,695Member, Administrator, Moderator Joined: Mar 10, 2016
@edmariel yes, superior. EOI was just in February from what I recall. Don't have this info with me but definitely this year lang. it didn't take long for my client.
edmarielPERTH Posts: 124Member Joined: Oct 01, 2016
@RheaMARN1171933 i see, bilis lang for 190 with 75 points pero dapat superior ka para mainvite. salamat po.
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@edmariel I wouldn't assume that you have to have superior English.
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@edmariel Go to CPAA website then they will send you a form for appeal. Complete the form and send it to them with your new or amended docs. Ring them to process payment. Within a week you will receive the result.
CPAA Application Received: 17 Jan 2018
Assessment Date: 7 Feb 2018 (Academically suitable)
Addl info for skills assessment: 15 Feb 2018
Assessment Date: 19 Feb 2018 (unfavorable outcome)
Paid for appeal and sent new docs: 14 Mar 18
Assessment Date: 22 Mar 2018 (favorable yay!)
EOI: 22 Mar 18 189 (70) 190 (75)
@RheaMARN1171933 do qualification assessment have the same 3-year expiry as the skilled assessment? i have updated my skilled work assessment last year, and my qualification assessment was done aug 2015, do you think i still need to update it?
Timeline: Student Visa Subclass 573 (Masters)
06 July 2015: Visa Grant
April 2018: Uni Graduation
Timeline: Permanent Visa (189) Accountant 221111
18 April 2018: ITA received - Visa 189
04 May 2018 : Lodged Visa Application - Visa 189
29 Aug 2018 - First CO Contact - PCC Qatar (partner)
9 Jan 2019 - 2nd CO Contact - penal waiver
18 Jan 2019 - Updated immiaccount with penal waiver
29 Jan 2019 - Forwarded PCC to gsm.allocated email
8 Feb 2019 - Visa Grant - Finally!!
Timeline: Citizenship
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@RheaMARN1171933@agentKams Yun din yung alam ko, separate yung skilled work assessment sa skilled assessment. Yung skilled assessment lang yung sure ako na kailangan CPA Australia mag-assess, but the skilled work assessment I'm not too sure if CPA Australia is also required to assess that, or pwede naman siguro yung Immigration nalang mag-assess. Would you have any ideas?
@tsenrejean24 Yes that I know also, which is why I am submitting my IELTS Academic with at least 7 in all sections to CPA Australia. But what I am wondering is if I can submit my IELTS General with at least 8 in all sections to the Immigration?
Good day everyone, first timer in this forum. I have 6 years experience as external audit in big 4 and my current job is as management accountant for 4 years now, any chance my 6 years external audit will be credited by cpa australia if I am applying under Management Accountant or yun 4 years lang as deemed relevant experience? Thanks!
@Guada bkit di nlng external audit gamitin mu? Mas mataas ata mkukuha mung points dun and mas mabilis ata un now kesa sa accountant. Not sure pero un lng tingin ko.
vincechaosSydney Posts: 335Member Joined: Nov 20, 2016
Good day everyone, first timer in this forum. I have 6 years experience as external audit in big 4 and my current job is as management accountant for 4 years now, any chance my 6 years external audit will be credited by cpa australia if I am applying under Management Accountant or yun 4 years lang as deemed relevant experience? Thanks!
In my opinion, better apply for the external auditor since may 6 yrs exp kna., equivalent na un sa 10 pts. Unless sa tingin m na mas tatagal ka pa as management accountant before applying for the VISA 189/190 and pede m makuha yung 5yrs or 8yrs exp for higher points.
26 November 2016 - Engaged MARA accredited agent
11 February 2017 - PTE Mock Test A: L-77 R-72 S-60 W-82
12 February 2017 - PTE Mock Test B: L-79 R-69 S-66 W-81
14 February 2017 - PTE-A Exam
18 February 2017 - PTE-A Exam: L-90 R-83 S-90 W-80 (Superior)
19 February 2017 - VETASESS Migration Assessment (Internal Auditor)
11 April 2017 - Full skills assessment - negative outcome
17 August 2017 - Re-assessment - outcome review (employment) - negative outcome
15 September 2017 - CPAA Migration Assessment (External Auditor)
09 October 2017 - Result of assessment - academically suitable for migration under External Auditor. However, duties listed in the employment are considered to be closely related to "internal auditing".
20 October 2017 - Appeal for External Auditor (Employment)
03 November 2017 - Positive CPAA assessment! Yehey!
03 November 2017 - Lodged EOI (189/190-NSW)
17 November 2017 - Received invitation to apply for NSW state nomination.
18 November 2017 - Lodged my nomination application with NSW.
28 November 2017 - Approved application for NSW nomination and received an ITA for Visa 190
05 December 2017 - Lodged VISA 190 - DIBP
09 December 2017 - Medical Examination @ Nationwide Makati
13 December 2017 - NBI Clearance (Hit)
18 December 2017 - Claimed NBI Clearance
18 December 2017 - Frontloaded all documents
21 February 2018 - CO contact - employment reference (which I have already submitted)
23 February 2018 - First Feedback (suggestion)
15 March 2018 - Second Feedback (suggestion)
20 March 2018 - VISA Grant - Thank you God!
10 September 2018 - IED
13 December 2018 - Got a job with Big 4 Audit Firm (External Auditor-Senior Associate)
1 July 2019 - Moved to another audit firm (External/Internal Auditor-Senior Associate)
14 Jan 2021 - Got an Internal Auditor job in one of the biggeat insurance companies
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. (Jeremiah 29:11)
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@vincechaos hi thanks for the reply. the thing is external audit ako 4 years ago and ang pagka explain ng agent na nagassess sakin is yun skill closest sa employment mo for the recent 5 years ang tinitignan (not very clear, anyhow he's trying to push me na sa canada instead mag apply). Honestly I don't want to go back to audit na din and want to proceed in general acctg or mngt accounting. That's why I am checking baka may same case dito na nakapagpa skill assessment na and may result na.
@RheaMARN1171933 hi rhea I still have to formally start yun process. I am planning to sit for IELTS Acad in 2-3 months time. So self assesment lang it will be 60 if only the 4 years management accounting experience ang ma credit assuming proficient level ang IELTS (though if that's the case am planning na mag-take ulet to try for superior).
RheaMARN1171933Posts: 2,695Member, Administrator, Moderator Joined: Mar 10, 2016
@Guada 60 points for management accountant would be a very long wait for 189visa invite. You'll need at least 80 points to get invited.
vincechaosSydney Posts: 335Member Joined: Nov 20, 2016
edited March 2018
@Guada I agree with Rhea. Also. I think you will be needing higher points with at least 75 pts for 189 or 80 pts for 190 considering the trend in invites now.
26 November 2016 - Engaged MARA accredited agent
11 February 2017 - PTE Mock Test A: L-77 R-72 S-60 W-82
12 February 2017 - PTE Mock Test B: L-79 R-69 S-66 W-81
14 February 2017 - PTE-A Exam
18 February 2017 - PTE-A Exam: L-90 R-83 S-90 W-80 (Superior)
19 February 2017 - VETASESS Migration Assessment (Internal Auditor)
11 April 2017 - Full skills assessment - negative outcome
17 August 2017 - Re-assessment - outcome review (employment) - negative outcome
15 September 2017 - CPAA Migration Assessment (External Auditor)
09 October 2017 - Result of assessment - academically suitable for migration under External Auditor. However, duties listed in the employment are considered to be closely related to "internal auditing".
20 October 2017 - Appeal for External Auditor (Employment)
03 November 2017 - Positive CPAA assessment! Yehey!
03 November 2017 - Lodged EOI (189/190-NSW)
17 November 2017 - Received invitation to apply for NSW state nomination.
18 November 2017 - Lodged my nomination application with NSW.
28 November 2017 - Approved application for NSW nomination and received an ITA for Visa 190
05 December 2017 - Lodged VISA 190 - DIBP
09 December 2017 - Medical Examination @ Nationwide Makati
13 December 2017 - NBI Clearance (Hit)
18 December 2017 - Claimed NBI Clearance
18 December 2017 - Frontloaded all documents
21 February 2018 - CO contact - employment reference (which I have already submitted)
23 February 2018 - First Feedback (suggestion)
15 March 2018 - Second Feedback (suggestion)
20 March 2018 - VISA Grant - Thank you God!
10 September 2018 - IED
13 December 2018 - Got a job with Big 4 Audit Firm (External Auditor-Senior Associate)
1 July 2019 - Moved to another audit firm (External/Internal Auditor-Senior Associate)
14 Jan 2021 - Got an Internal Auditor job in one of the biggeat insurance companies
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. (Jeremiah 29:11)
RheaMARN1171933Posts: 2,695Member, Administrator, Moderator Joined: Mar 10, 2016
@vincechaos it's actually the other way around, 75 points for 190 or 80 points for 189 visa
vincechaosSydney Posts: 335Member Joined: Nov 20, 2016
edited April 2018
@RheaMARN1171933 Yun lang. Mxdo na pala mataas requirement sa visa 189. Thanks Rhea @Guada Kailangn m n pag-isipan ng mabuti, pataas n ng pataas yung minimum points na naiinvite ~X(
26 November 2016 - Engaged MARA accredited agent
11 February 2017 - PTE Mock Test A: L-77 R-72 S-60 W-82
12 February 2017 - PTE Mock Test B: L-79 R-69 S-66 W-81
14 February 2017 - PTE-A Exam
18 February 2017 - PTE-A Exam: L-90 R-83 S-90 W-80 (Superior)
19 February 2017 - VETASESS Migration Assessment (Internal Auditor)
11 April 2017 - Full skills assessment - negative outcome
17 August 2017 - Re-assessment - outcome review (employment) - negative outcome
15 September 2017 - CPAA Migration Assessment (External Auditor)
09 October 2017 - Result of assessment - academically suitable for migration under External Auditor. However, duties listed in the employment are considered to be closely related to "internal auditing".
20 October 2017 - Appeal for External Auditor (Employment)
03 November 2017 - Positive CPAA assessment! Yehey!
03 November 2017 - Lodged EOI (189/190-NSW)
17 November 2017 - Received invitation to apply for NSW state nomination.
18 November 2017 - Lodged my nomination application with NSW.
28 November 2017 - Approved application for NSW nomination and received an ITA for Visa 190
05 December 2017 - Lodged VISA 190 - DIBP
09 December 2017 - Medical Examination @ Nationwide Makati
13 December 2017 - NBI Clearance (Hit)
18 December 2017 - Claimed NBI Clearance
18 December 2017 - Frontloaded all documents
21 February 2018 - CO contact - employment reference (which I have already submitted)
23 February 2018 - First Feedback (suggestion)
15 March 2018 - Second Feedback (suggestion)
20 March 2018 - VISA Grant - Thank you God!
10 September 2018 - IED
13 December 2018 - Got a job with Big 4 Audit Firm (External Auditor-Senior Associate)
1 July 2019 - Moved to another audit firm (External/Internal Auditor-Senior Associate)
14 Jan 2021 - Got an Internal Auditor job in one of the biggeat insurance companies
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. (Jeremiah 29:11)
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@beljhai hi sis. sorry hnd ko na maalala if ano ung prob na tinutukoy ko. ano kasi yun? waiting game ako now sa invite pero mababa kaya retake ako ielts or pte
haileyPhilippines Posts: 89Member Joined: Feb 23, 2017
hi, good day and happy easter! nakuha ko na po pala positive assessment from CPAA (thank God and thank you everyone sa help). naglodge na din ako sa skillselect. minimum points ako now and magretake ako exams pandagdag 10pts pag naka band 8.
question sana sa binigay na assessment ni CPAA... nawrong spelling kasi sila sa employer ko... may napagbaliktad na letters... pwd ko ba yun ipaayos sa kanila? o okay na yun? thank you ulit guys.
@vincechaos kaya nga mejo maliit chance at my current points. That’s why mejo confuse ako which skill to get assessed to maximise yun 8-10 yrs na total working experience.
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Tama December pa la iyong last.
70 points pero nag try ako mag retake ng pte para maka superior, pang dagdag na din. Oo 189 lang.
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CPAA Application Received: 17 Jan 2018
Assessment Date: 7 Feb 2018 (Academically suitable)
Addl info for skills assessment: 15 Feb 2018
Assessment Date: 19 Feb 2018 (unfavorable outcome)
Paid for appeal and sent new docs: 14 Mar 18
Assessment Date: 22 Mar 2018 (favorable yay!)
EOI: 22 Mar 18 189 (70) 190 (75)
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Timeline: Student Visa Subclass 573 (Masters)
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Timeline: Permanent Visa (189) Accountant 221111
18 April 2018: ITA received - Visa 189
04 May 2018 : Lodged Visa Application - Visa 189
29 Aug 2018 - First CO Contact - PCC Qatar (partner)
9 Jan 2019 - 2nd CO Contact - penal waiver
18 Jan 2019 - Updated immiaccount with penal waiver
29 Jan 2019 - Forwarded PCC to gsm.allocated email
8 Feb 2019 - Visa Grant - Finally!!
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IELTS-A score: (L-9, R-8.5, W-7, S-7)
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EOI DOE: 9 May 2018 - 75 points for 189
EOI DOE: 9 May 2018 - 80 points for 190
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I have 6 years experience as external audit in big 4 and my current job is as management accountant for 4 years now, any chance my 6 years external audit will be credited by cpa australia if I am applying under Management Accountant or yun 4 years lang as deemed relevant experience? Thanks!
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[VISA 190-80 pts]
(Age:30| PTE:20| Exp: 10| Educ:15| SS:5)
26 November 2016 - Engaged MARA accredited agent
11 February 2017 - PTE Mock Test A: L-77 R-72 S-60 W-82
12 February 2017 - PTE Mock Test B: L-79 R-69 S-66 W-81
14 February 2017 - PTE-A Exam
18 February 2017 - PTE-A Exam: L-90 R-83 S-90 W-80 (Superior)
19 February 2017 - VETASESS Migration Assessment (Internal Auditor)
11 April 2017 - Full skills assessment - negative outcome
17 August 2017 - Re-assessment - outcome review (employment) - negative outcome
15 September 2017 - CPAA Migration Assessment (External Auditor)
09 October 2017 - Result of assessment - academically suitable for migration under External Auditor. However, duties listed in the employment are considered to be closely related to "internal auditing".
20 October 2017 - Appeal for External Auditor (Employment)
03 November 2017 - Positive CPAA assessment! Yehey!
03 November 2017 - Lodged EOI (189/190-NSW)
17 November 2017 - Received invitation to apply for NSW state nomination.
18 November 2017 - Lodged my nomination application with NSW.
28 November 2017 - Approved application for NSW nomination and received an ITA for Visa 190
05 December 2017 - Lodged VISA 190 - DIBP
09 December 2017 - Medical Examination @ Nationwide Makati
13 December 2017 - NBI Clearance (Hit)
18 December 2017 - Claimed NBI Clearance
18 December 2017 - Frontloaded all documents
21 February 2018 - CO contact - employment reference (which I have already submitted)
23 February 2018 - First Feedback (suggestion)
15 March 2018 - Second Feedback (suggestion)
20 March 2018 - VISA Grant - Thank you God!
10 September 2018 - IED
13 December 2018 - Got a job with Big 4 Audit Firm (External Auditor-Senior Associate)
1 July 2019 - Moved to another audit firm (External/Internal Auditor-Senior Associate)
14 Jan 2021 - Got an Internal Auditor job in one of the biggeat insurance companies
Tips on BM: http://pinoyau.info/discussion/6492/migrating-to-australia-with-high-hopes/p16
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. (Jeremiah 29:11)
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ANZSCO 221213 External Auditor
[VISA 190-80 pts]
(Age:30| PTE:20| Exp: 10| Educ:15| SS:5)
26 November 2016 - Engaged MARA accredited agent
11 February 2017 - PTE Mock Test A: L-77 R-72 S-60 W-82
12 February 2017 - PTE Mock Test B: L-79 R-69 S-66 W-81
14 February 2017 - PTE-A Exam
18 February 2017 - PTE-A Exam: L-90 R-83 S-90 W-80 (Superior)
19 February 2017 - VETASESS Migration Assessment (Internal Auditor)
11 April 2017 - Full skills assessment - negative outcome
17 August 2017 - Re-assessment - outcome review (employment) - negative outcome
15 September 2017 - CPAA Migration Assessment (External Auditor)
09 October 2017 - Result of assessment - academically suitable for migration under External Auditor. However, duties listed in the employment are considered to be closely related to "internal auditing".
20 October 2017 - Appeal for External Auditor (Employment)
03 November 2017 - Positive CPAA assessment! Yehey!
03 November 2017 - Lodged EOI (189/190-NSW)
17 November 2017 - Received invitation to apply for NSW state nomination.
18 November 2017 - Lodged my nomination application with NSW.
28 November 2017 - Approved application for NSW nomination and received an ITA for Visa 190
05 December 2017 - Lodged VISA 190 - DIBP
09 December 2017 - Medical Examination @ Nationwide Makati
13 December 2017 - NBI Clearance (Hit)
18 December 2017 - Claimed NBI Clearance
18 December 2017 - Frontloaded all documents
21 February 2018 - CO contact - employment reference (which I have already submitted)
23 February 2018 - First Feedback (suggestion)
15 March 2018 - Second Feedback (suggestion)
20 March 2018 - VISA Grant - Thank you God!
10 September 2018 - IED
13 December 2018 - Got a job with Big 4 Audit Firm (External Auditor-Senior Associate)
1 July 2019 - Moved to another audit firm (External/Internal Auditor-Senior Associate)
14 Jan 2021 - Got an Internal Auditor job in one of the biggeat insurance companies
Tips on BM: http://pinoyau.info/discussion/6492/migrating-to-australia-with-high-hopes/p16
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. (Jeremiah 29:11)
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@Guada Kailangn m n pag-isipan ng mabuti, pataas n ng pataas yung minimum points na naiinvite ~X(
ANZSCO 221213 External Auditor
[VISA 190-80 pts]
(Age:30| PTE:20| Exp: 10| Educ:15| SS:5)
26 November 2016 - Engaged MARA accredited agent
11 February 2017 - PTE Mock Test A: L-77 R-72 S-60 W-82
12 February 2017 - PTE Mock Test B: L-79 R-69 S-66 W-81
14 February 2017 - PTE-A Exam
18 February 2017 - PTE-A Exam: L-90 R-83 S-90 W-80 (Superior)
19 February 2017 - VETASESS Migration Assessment (Internal Auditor)
11 April 2017 - Full skills assessment - negative outcome
17 August 2017 - Re-assessment - outcome review (employment) - negative outcome
15 September 2017 - CPAA Migration Assessment (External Auditor)
09 October 2017 - Result of assessment - academically suitable for migration under External Auditor. However, duties listed in the employment are considered to be closely related to "internal auditing".
20 October 2017 - Appeal for External Auditor (Employment)
03 November 2017 - Positive CPAA assessment! Yehey!
03 November 2017 - Lodged EOI (189/190-NSW)
17 November 2017 - Received invitation to apply for NSW state nomination.
18 November 2017 - Lodged my nomination application with NSW.
28 November 2017 - Approved application for NSW nomination and received an ITA for Visa 190
05 December 2017 - Lodged VISA 190 - DIBP
09 December 2017 - Medical Examination @ Nationwide Makati
13 December 2017 - NBI Clearance (Hit)
18 December 2017 - Claimed NBI Clearance
18 December 2017 - Frontloaded all documents
21 February 2018 - CO contact - employment reference (which I have already submitted)
23 February 2018 - First Feedback (suggestion)
15 March 2018 - Second Feedback (suggestion)
20 March 2018 - VISA Grant - Thank you God!
10 September 2018 - IED
13 December 2018 - Got a job with Big 4 Audit Firm (External Auditor-Senior Associate)
1 July 2019 - Moved to another audit firm (External/Internal Auditor-Senior Associate)
14 Jan 2021 - Got an Internal Auditor job in one of the biggeat insurance companies
Tips on BM: http://pinoyau.info/discussion/6492/migrating-to-australia-with-high-hopes/p16
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. (Jeremiah 29:11)
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question sana sa binigay na assessment ni CPAA... nawrong spelling kasi sila sa employer ko... may napagbaliktad na letters... pwd ko ba yun ipaayos sa kanila? o okay na yun? thank you ulit guys.
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