Honest Mistake in Visa Application

bellevet · March 2023

I made an honest mistake in my visa application which resulted to over claiming of points. Since EOI pa lang, overclaimed na pala yung points but I was really not aware of the mistake. I already lodged my 190 visa, and went through state invite and nomination approval. Take note - the overclaimed points was approved sa state nomination so talagang wala akong clue na nakapag overclaim ako ng points.

Come today, may nakapag chika lang sakin about sa qualification and that's the only time na narealize ko na I made a mistake.

Again, the visa application is already lodged but about to take medicals pa lang. So basically, wala pang action si DHA sa application ko.

Question is - should I notify DHA na I made this mistake? I'm worried baka I'll make it worse if I notify DHA kasi in the first place approved naman ng state ung points that I claimed.

enrico0919 · March 2023

wag na nsa medical k na.

RheaMARN1171933 · March 2023

Whether you tell them or not, they will still find out unfortunately.

enrico0919 · March 2023

marerefuse po ba kung ganun example pasok nmn ung points n nagather mo sa minimum requirement?

bellevet · March 2023

@RheaMARN1171933 said:
Whether you tell them or not, they will still find out unfortunately.

If you were in my shoes po, what would you do?

era222 · March 2023

Is withdrawing your visa application then lodging a new EOI with the right points an option? I'm not sure lang if this is the best route, but voluntary withdrawal (and losing that money) is definitely better than refusal (which hurts your chances more and likely has long-term consequences). And 'di ko lang kapa how this would work now that you have a 190 visa application lodged, if that means you can't lodge another EOI (I don't think so naman, I think pwede but again not sure) but if there's a better time to get invited again, it's now. Let's see what anyone else says.

Saw similar cases in this other forum, though parang inconclusive siya, walang nag-update: https://www.migrationdesk.com/threads/inadvertaint-error-in-eoi-claimed-work-experience-before-skills-assessment-date.61086/

Also try FB groups since larger pool of people posting/interacting—so higher chances na may same scenario ka, in case lang wala dito. Search ka ng "Skilled visa Australia" or something and a lot of groups should appear na you can join.

era222 · March 2023

@enrico0919 said:
marerefuse po ba kung ganun example pasok nmn ung points n nagather mo sa minimum requirement?

Oo, high chance of refusal. Tawag dyan ay "overclaiming of points". Importante na pasok sa minimum requirement, yes. Pero yun ay para lang maging eligible ka to apply in the first place. Iba pa yung katotohanan or katugmaan ng documentation mo. Importante na yung points na ni-claim mo ay tugma sa situation mo at sistema/categorisation nila. For example, 'di ka pwede mag-claim ng points na katumbas ng Doctorate kung Bachelor's degree lang naman meron ka. 'Di ka pwede mag-claim ng points for 8 years of expi kung 3 years lang naman ang positively assessed sayo, ganun.

bellevet · March 2023

@era222 said:
Is withdrawing your visa application then lodging a new EOI with the right points an option? I'm not sure lang if this is the best route, but voluntary withdrawal (and losing that money) is definitely better than refusal (which hurts your chances more and likely has long-term consequences). And 'di ko lang kapa how this would work now that you have a 190 visa application lodged, if that means you can't lodge another EOI (I don't think so naman, I think pwede but again not sure) but if there's a better time to get invited again, it's now. Let's see what anyone else says.

Saw similar cases in this other forum, though parang inconclusive siya, walang nag-update: https://www.migrationdesk.com/threads/inadvertaint-error-in-eoi-claimed-work-experience-before-skills-assessment-date.61086/

Also try FB groups since larger pool of people posting/interacting—so higher chances na may same scenario ka, in case lang wala dito. Search ka ng "Skilled visa Australia" or something and a lot of groups should appear na you can join.

Thanks so much for your inputs. I am actually considering to withdraw the application, sayang lang the fees kasi I already paid for 4 people. But do you think the nomination approval could possibly influence my case to be considered by DHA? Kasi the state approved my nomination with the points and documents that I provided.

I still have an option to increase my work experience but not sure if it this stage, need ko pa ng new skills assessment since lodged na ung application, or pwede kaya I just provide additional references from my former employers. Hopefully this could cover the overclaimed points.

It's just so frustrating to realize the mistake at this stage.

enrico0919 · March 2023

Try communicating first with the government body, maybe there is a way to solve things before withdrawing.

RheaMARN1171933 · March 2023

It will be a refusal. Best option is to withdraw

chemron9400 · March 2023

@bellevet said:

@era222 said:
Is withdrawing your visa application then lodging a new EOI with the right points an option? I'm not sure lang if this is the best route, but voluntary withdrawal (and losing that money) is definitely better than refusal (which hurts your chances more and likely has long-term consequences). And 'di ko lang kapa how this would work now that you have a 190 visa application lodged, if that means you can't lodge another EOI (I don't think so naman, I think pwede but again not sure) but if there's a better time to get invited again, it's now. Let's see what anyone else says.

Saw similar cases in this other forum, though parang inconclusive siya, walang nag-update: https://www.migrationdesk.com/threads/inadvertaint-error-in-eoi-claimed-work-experience-before-skills-assessment-date.61086/

Also try FB groups since larger pool of people posting/interacting—so higher chances na may same scenario ka, in case lang wala dito. Search ka ng "Skilled visa Australia" or something and a lot of groups should appear na you can join.

Thanks so much for your inputs. I am actually considering to withdraw the application, sayang lang the fees kasi I already paid for 4 people. But do you think the nomination approval could possibly influence my case to be considered by DHA? Kasi the state approved my nomination with the points and documents that I provided.

I still have an option to increase my work experience but not sure if it this stage, need ko pa ng new skills assessment since lodged na ung application, or pwede kaya I just provide additional references from my former employers. Hopefully this could cover the overclaimed points.

It's just so frustrating to realize the mistake at this stage.

maybe you can try to go for assessment skills with added relavant working experience para ma satisfy ung points na kini claim mo? baka may hindi ka ini include na work experience hehe..

tigerlance · March 2023

For me, whether honest mistake or not. Iwithdraw ko rin. Sayang ang fee, sayang ang oras rin, Sayang ang invite.
Why withdraw?
a) Hindi ka magkakarecord na visa refusal para sa next Form 80 mo and to all visa applications mo pag gusto mo pumunta sa other countries.

bKung di mo naman iwithdraw...
a) then nafound out nila, irefuse nila ang visa mo

Kung di naman nila nakita, and naapprove nila ang visa mo.
C) and eventually nafoundout nila from entry up to living as a citizen sa au, you will eventually be DEPORTED sa Pilipinas. And lahat ng associated sa visa mo parehas ang mangyayari pati yung ipinanganak sa AU damay rin.
May mga cases dito na Pinoy.

Kung ako yan, iwithdraw. Then kung may time, write a letter of explanation sa DHA, na kailangan mo iwithdraw ang application mo because there is an oversight blah blah.

Di kayang icorrect sa notifcation of incorrect answers yan if sa points ang apektuhan. Meron kasi sa part ng EOI, na sinabi mo true and correct and pag hindi true and correct na may ground for refusal. Basta may mga nabasa ako dun sa EOI stage up to lodgment stage.

tigerlance · March 2023

Try niyo ito as alternative baka possible, seek a migration agent. Baka naman pwede pa icorrect. Pero dapat NOW na. Nakakapghinayang ang 4 na visa fee

https://www.gmskilled.com/inadvertent-errors-on-expression-of-interest-overclaiming-points-skilled-visa-application/

Kaso hindi siya nagprovide based sa DHA website. Kung yung registered MARN agent may complete and updated policy, pwede siguro kung -5, pasok parin sa cut-off.

era222 · March 2023

@bellevet said:

@era222 said:
Is withdrawing your visa application then lodging a new EOI with the right points an option? I'm not sure lang if this is the best route, but voluntary withdrawal (and losing that money) is definitely better than refusal (which hurts your chances more and likely has long-term consequences). And 'di ko lang kapa how this would work now that you have a 190 visa application lodged, if that means you can't lodge another EOI (I don't think so naman, I think pwede but again not sure) but if there's a better time to get invited again, it's now. Let's see what anyone else says.

Saw similar cases in this other forum, though parang inconclusive siya, walang nag-update: https://www.migrationdesk.com/threads/inadvertaint-error-in-eoi-claimed-work-experience-before-skills-assessment-date.61086/

Also try FB groups since larger pool of people posting/interacting—so higher chances na may same scenario ka, in case lang wala dito. Search ka ng "Skilled visa Australia" or something and a lot of groups should appear na you can join.

Thanks so much for your inputs. I am actually considering to withdraw the application, sayang lang the fees kasi I already paid for 4 people. But do you think the nomination approval could possibly influence my case to be considered by DHA? Kasi the state approved my nomination with the points and documents that I provided.

I still have an option to increase my work experience but not sure if it this stage, need ko pa ng new skills assessment since lodged na ung application, or pwede kaya I just provide additional references from my former employers. Hopefully this could cover the overclaimed points.

It's just so frustrating to realize the mistake at this stage.

Oh no... Ang sakit ng x4 pala ang visa fee na nabayaran I wonder if a fee reversal/refund is an option? https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/change-in-situation/get-a-refund Pero seems like it might have consequences din. Re: your questions, honestly I don't know. If I were in your shoes, I'd find similar cases + immigration agent/lawyer to consult so I know the full extent ng impact ng pag-withdraw and if pwede pa ba mainvite ang new EOI, then likely withdraw. Pero it really depends on you if you want to keep your lodged visa application and take that risk to see if maooffset/compensate ang overclaimed points somehow.

chemron9400 · March 2023

@bellevet said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:
Whether you tell them or not, they will still find out unfortunately.

If you were in my shoes po, what would you do?

i have a question po, paano na overclaim po na sa vetassess assessment outcome may nakalagay naman na "number of years assessed positively."

maguero · March 2023

You can't use the reason na approved naman ang state nomination even with overclaimed points kasi visas are granted by the federal government, not the state government, so DHA ang masusunod. Some states have a line somewhere in their migration page that says after they've nominated you wala na silang kinalaman sa visa application & you must satisfy DHA's requirements.

I suggest withdrawing kasi pag narefuse yung visa, all 4 of you will have a history of visa refusal.

bellevet · March 2023

@tigerlance said:
For me, whether honest mistake or not. Iwithdraw ko rin. Sayang ang fee, sayang ang oras rin, Sayang ang invite.
Why withdraw?
a) Hindi ka magkakarecord na visa refusal para sa next Form 80 mo and to all visa applications mo pag gusto mo pumunta sa other countries.

bKung di mo naman iwithdraw...
a) then nafound out nila, irefuse nila ang visa mo

Kung di naman nila nakita, and naapprove nila ang visa mo.
C) and eventually nafoundout nila from entry up to living as a citizen sa au, you will eventually be DEPORTED sa Pilipinas. And lahat ng associated sa visa mo parehas ang mangyayari pati yung ipinanganak sa AU damay rin.
May mga cases dito na Pinoy.

Kung ako yan, iwithdraw. Then kung may time, write a letter of explanation sa DHA, na kailangan mo iwithdraw ang application mo because there is an oversight blah blah.

Di kayang icorrect sa notifcation of incorrect answers yan if sa points ang apektuhan. Meron kasi sa part ng EOI, na sinabi mo true and correct and pag hindi true and correct na may ground for refusal. Basta may mga nabasa ako dun sa EOI stage up to lodgment stage.

Thank you for these information po

bellevet · March 2023

@tigerlance said:
Try niyo ito as alternative baka possible, seek a migration agent. Baka naman pwede pa icorrect. Pero dapat NOW na. Nakakapghinayang ang 4 na visa fee

https://www.gmskilled.com/inadvertent-errors-on-expression-of-interest-overclaiming-points-skilled-visa-application/

Kaso hindi siya nagprovide based sa DHA website. Kung yung registered MARN agent may complete and updated policy, pwede siguro kung -5, pasok parin sa cut-off.

Thanks for this. Naghahanap po ako now ng migration agent who I can consult the situation with.

bellevet · March 2023

@chemron9400 said:

@bellevet said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:
Whether you tell them or not, they will still find out unfortunately.

If you were in my shoes po, what would you do?

i have a question po, paano na overclaim po na sa vetassess assessment outcome may nakalagay naman na "number of years assessed positively."

Sa education qualification po ung na-overclaim na points. ACS po ung assessing body. Nakalagay sa result was Diploma but I claimed bachelor's kasi I had bachelor's degree naman talaga. It didn't occur to me that Diploma is not the same as Bachelor's.

bellevet · March 2023

@era222 said:

@bellevet said:

@era222 said:
Is withdrawing your visa application then lodging a new EOI with the right points an option? I'm not sure lang if this is the best route, but voluntary withdrawal (and losing that money) is definitely better than refusal (which hurts your chances more and likely has long-term consequences). And 'di ko lang kapa how this would work now that you have a 190 visa application lodged, if that means you can't lodge another EOI (I don't think so naman, I think pwede but again not sure) but if there's a better time to get invited again, it's now. Let's see what anyone else says.

Saw similar cases in this other forum, though parang inconclusive siya, walang nag-update: https://www.migrationdesk.com/threads/inadvertaint-error-in-eoi-claimed-work-experience-before-skills-assessment-date.61086/

Also try FB groups since larger pool of people posting/interacting—so higher chances na may same scenario ka, in case lang wala dito. Search ka ng "Skilled visa Australia" or something and a lot of groups should appear na you can join.

Thanks so much for your inputs. I am actually considering to withdraw the application, sayang lang the fees kasi I already paid for 4 people. But do you think the nomination approval could possibly influence my case to be considered by DHA? Kasi the state approved my nomination with the points and documents that I provided.

I still have an option to increase my work experience but not sure if it this stage, need ko pa ng new skills assessment since lodged na ung application, or pwede kaya I just provide additional references from my former employers. Hopefully this could cover the overclaimed points.

It's just so frustrating to realize the mistake at this stage.

Oh no... Ang sakit ng x4 pala ang visa fee na nabayaran I wonder if a fee reversal/refund is an option? https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/change-in-situation/get-a-refund Pero seems like it might have consequences din. Re: your questions, honestly I don't know. If I were in your shoes, I'd find similar cases + immigration agent/lawyer to consult so I know the full extent ng impact ng pag-withdraw and if pwede pa ba mainvite ang new EOI, then likely withdraw. Pero it really depends on you if you want to keep your lodged visa application and take that risk to see if maooffset/compensate ang overclaimed points somehow.

I already have my medical tests scheduled for this coming Monday. Baka ipostpone ko na lang din to buy me more time. Baka kasi pag pumasok na sa kanila ung result ng medical, biglang maprocess agad ung application.

I am currently searching for a migration agent that could help me. Thank you so much for your inputs!

chemron9400 · March 2023

@bellevet said:

@chemron9400 said:

@bellevet said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:
Whether you tell them or not, they will still find out unfortunately.

If you were in my shoes po, what would you do?

i have a question po, paano na overclaim po na sa vetassess assessment outcome may nakalagay naman na "number of years assessed positively."

Sa education qualification po ung na-overclaim na points. ACS po ung assessing body. Nakalagay sa result was Diploma but I claimed bachelor's kasi I had bachelor's degree naman talaga. It didn't occur to me that Diploma is not the same as Bachelor's.

ohhh okay po wala na ba ibang way na magiging bachelors degree and diploma na previous result? iKung wala na i think u really need to withdraw kasi medyo mahirap sya e justify ang na overclaim na points.

bellevet · March 2023

@chemron9400 said:

@bellevet said:

@chemron9400 said:

@bellevet said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:
Whether you tell them or not, they will still find out unfortunately.

If you were in my shoes po, what would you do?

i have a question po, paano na overclaim po na sa vetassess assessment outcome may nakalagay naman na "number of years assessed positively."

Sa education qualification po ung na-overclaim na points. ACS po ung assessing body. Nakalagay sa result was Diploma but I claimed bachelor's kasi I had bachelor's degree naman talaga. It didn't occur to me that Diploma is not the same as Bachelor's.

ohhh okay po wala na ba ibang way na magiging bachelors degree and diploma na previous result? iKung wala na i think u really need to withdraw kasi medyo mahirap sya e justify ang na overclaim na points.

Not sure kasi ung uni ko is Section 3. Another option I'm thinking of is to declare additional work experiences. Currently kasi ung assessed sakin is ung for 3-5 years. If I declare ung latest experience ko which was not covered sa skills assessment, papasok sya sa 5-8 years na experience. Possible kaya to offset ung overclaimed points from there?

chemron9400 · March 2023

@bellevet said:

@chemron9400 said:

@bellevet said:

@chemron9400 said:

@bellevet said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:
Whether you tell them or not, they will still find out unfortunately.

If you were in my shoes po, what would you do?

i have a question po, paano na overclaim po na sa vetassess assessment outcome may nakalagay naman na "number of years assessed positively."

Sa education qualification po ung na-overclaim na points. ACS po ung assessing body. Nakalagay sa result was Diploma but I claimed bachelor's kasi I had bachelor's degree naman talaga. It didn't occur to me that Diploma is not the same as Bachelor's.

ohhh okay po wala na ba ibang way na magiging bachelors degree and diploma na previous result? iKung wala na i think u really need to withdraw kasi medyo mahirap sya e justify ang na overclaim na points.

Not sure kasi ung uni ko is Section 3. Another option I'm thinking of is to declare additional work experiences. Currently kasi ung assessed sakin is ung for 3-5 years. If I declare ung latest experience ko which was not covered sa skills assessment, papasok sya sa 5-8 years na experience. Possible kaya to offset ung overclaimed points from there?

may mga school kc na nasa section 2 or 3 pero kung may PRC license ay equivalent na agad sa Bachelors. Im not sure sa ACS pero sa Vetassess kc ganun. I dont think pwede kunin ang na overclaim points sa ibang factor like experience kasi ina assess ata ng CO per criteria but im not really sure maybe ask a good migration agent kasi ang naisip ko lang is baka pwede ka magpa assess ulit and provide more evidence na ung bachelors degree mo sa pinas is same sa Aus..

bellevet · March 2023

Hi all. If anyone has a recommended migration agent, please drop the info in this thread. Thank you thank you so much po!!

bellevet · March 2023

@chemron9400 said:

@bellevet said:

@chemron9400 said:

@bellevet said:

@chemron9400 said:

@bellevet said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:
Whether you tell them or not, they will still find out unfortunately.

If you were in my shoes po, what would you do?

i have a question po, paano na overclaim po na sa vetassess assessment outcome may nakalagay naman na "number of years assessed positively."

Sa education qualification po ung na-overclaim na points. ACS po ung assessing body. Nakalagay sa result was Diploma but I claimed bachelor's kasi I had bachelor's degree naman talaga. It didn't occur to me that Diploma is not the same as Bachelor's.

ohhh okay po wala na ba ibang way na magiging bachelors degree and diploma na previous result? iKung wala na i think u really need to withdraw kasi medyo mahirap sya e justify ang na overclaim na points.

Not sure kasi ung uni ko is Section 3. Another option I'm thinking of is to declare additional work experiences. Currently kasi ung assessed sakin is ung for 3-5 years. If I declare ung latest experience ko which was not covered sa skills assessment, papasok sya sa 5-8 years na experience. Possible kaya to offset ung overclaimed points from there?

may mga school kc na nasa section 2 or 3 pero kung may PRC license ay equivalent na agad sa Bachelors. Im not sure sa ACS pero sa Vetassess kc ganun. I dont think pwede kunin ang na overclaim points sa ibang factor like experience kasi ina assess ata ng CO per criteria but im not really sure maybe ask a good migration agent kasi ang naisip ko lang is baka pwede ka magpa assess ulit and provide more evidence na ung bachelors degree mo sa pinas is same sa Aus..

Wala pong PRC sa computer society e. I can also try to check if possible na maging bachelor sya on grounds of Latin honors. Not sure if may relevance. I'm just panicking, overwhelemed and feeling so lost this time.

ubehalaya · March 2023

Hi @bellevet! I have a friend na may kakilalang nakapag-overclaim din ng points, sa Australian Study naman.
Take note na when the time na nalaman nya yung mistake nya ay umaction agad sya.
Yes, try to contact immigration lawyer na makakahelp sayo.
Heto yung comment ng CO nya giving her a chance pa.

ubehalaya · March 2023

*migration lawyer

chemron9400 · March 2023

@ubehalaya said:
Hi @bellevet! I have a friend na may kakilalang nakapag-overclaim din ng points, sa Australian Study naman.
Take note na when the time na nalaman nya yung mistake nya ay umaction agad sya.
Yes, try to contact immigration lawyer na makakahelp sayo.
Heto yung comment ng CO nya giving her a chance pa.

in this case, maybe a good chance to increase ur work experience para ma compensate ang na overclaimed sa education qualification.

tigerlance · March 2023

@bellevet said:
Hi all. If anyone has a recommended migration agent, please drop the info in this thread. Thank you thank you so much po!!

Pag maginquire ka sa migration agent ibigay mo yung possible scenarios.
like kung magpaaccess ka ulit then tumaas ang points mo... Kaso yung points at the time of invite......
Nung at the time of invite ba, magincrease ba yung points mo sa experience.

Ask sa migration agent/lawyer yung mga possible scenarios. At least triny mo and masagot yung mga what if mo.

a) Pwede ka umappeal sa ACS na from Diploma, magiging Bachelor
b) Reassess ulit, para pasok ang points mo, syempre si agent na makikiusap sa ACS kung pwede ifast track. Ang mga agents may mga terms na ginagamit sa letter, na siyempre may basis silang icite para maipanalo ang case mo. Pero kung wala talaga maicite, siyempre papayuhan ka na iwithdraw na ang application mo.

Basta registered MARN agent, May kanya kanya sila immigration barrister ang mga yan.

era222 · March 2023

@ubehalaya said:
Hi @bellevet! I have a friend na may kakilalang nakapag-overclaim din ng points, sa Australian Study naman.
Take note na when the time na nalaman nya yung mistake nya ay umaction agad sya.
Yes, try to contact immigration lawyer na makakahelp sayo.
Heto yung comment ng CO nya giving her a chance pa.

Ano outcome ng kanya, do you know?

@bellevet said:

@chemron9400 said:

@bellevet said:

@chemron9400 said:

@bellevet said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:
Whether you tell them or not, they will still find out unfortunately.

If you were in my shoes po, what would you do?

i have a question po, paano na overclaim po na sa vetassess assessment outcome may nakalagay naman na "number of years assessed positively."

Sa education qualification po ung na-overclaim na points. ACS po ung assessing body. Nakalagay sa result was Diploma but I claimed bachelor's kasi I had bachelor's degree naman talaga. It didn't occur to me that Diploma is not the same as Bachelor's.

ohhh okay po wala na ba ibang way na magiging bachelors degree and diploma na previous result? iKung wala na i think u really need to withdraw kasi medyo mahirap sya e justify ang na overclaim na points.

Not sure kasi ung uni ko is Section 3. Another option I'm thinking of is to declare additional work experiences. Currently kasi ung assessed sakin is ung for 3-5 years. If I declare ung latest experience ko which was not covered sa skills assessment, papasok sya sa 5-8 years na experience. Possible kaya to offset ung overclaimed points from there?

Get an agent to advise whether you should go for another skills assessment or declare mo na lang, if gusto mo ipush. Disclose mo agad situation mo, what you know, and what you want to happen, as some agents might just opt that you withdraw—that way you filter out your options agad and find one who will want to fight for it with you. Try https://www.australiavisa.com/who-we-are/. Have not tried them myself but Karl Konrad is well-publicised and I always see him being vocal about (and challenging) the system and championing applicants, at least sa videos nya.

ubehalaya · March 2023

@era222 said:

@ubehalaya said:
Hi @bellevet! I have a friend na may kakilalang nakapag-overclaim din ng points, sa Australian Study naman.
Take note na when the time na nalaman nya yung mistake nya ay umaction agad sya.
Yes, try to contact immigration lawyer na makakahelp sayo.
Heto yung comment ng CO nya giving her a chance pa.

Ano outcome ng kanya, do you know?

sadly, in the end refused din sya kasi she was not able to produce the additional 5 points to meet the points test as per the invitation letter.