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  • kh@L3Lkh@L3L Adelaide
    Posts: 125Member
    Joined: Jun 06, 2017
    edited June 2017
    eujin said:

    hi @kh@L3L , almost same ba yung job description ng test engineer sa work mo sa pinas? if yes. then go for it.. also please read this para malaman mo kung sang list or anong pwedeng visa yung inonominate mong skill : http://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/Work/Skills-assessment-and-assessing-authorities/skilled-occupations-lists

    sa pinas na fall into soft tester ang job desc ko for 4 yrs.... tapos dito sa sg pang sys test engr na with soft tester for 6 yrs......so sa overall exp meron akong 10 yrs sa soft tester, pero 6 yrs lng sa test engr....

    na isip ko na may default deduction ang acs so if test engr ipa nominate ko, ok lng na e deduct nila un sa 4yrs sa pinas pero e credit ang sa sg :) so e try ko pa nominate test engr tapos tingnan ko result kong positive...
    pero if negative result, wala na akong choice kundi pa nominate lng soft tester :)

    pwedi ba ung pa assess ako uli with different skill? kahit, ka.a.assess ko lng?


    261314 (Software Tester)
    June 2017 ------Doc Collection
    July-1-2017 ----ACS Assessment
    Sept-11-2017 --Skill Assessed suitable
    Sept-28-2017 --PTE 1 L77-R79-S59-W77
    Oct-10-2017 ---PTE 2 L66-R66-S49-W73
    Nov-6-2017 ----PTE 3 Exam
    Nov-15-2017 ---PTE 3 Result L82-R84-S90-W80
    Nov-16-2017 ---Visa 190 EOI Submitted (VIC)
    Nov-17-2017 ---State Invitation To Apply (VIC)
    Nov-19-2017 ---State Application Submitted (VIC)
    Jan-10-2018 ---Visa 190 State Application Denied (VIC)
    Jan-11-2018 --- Visa 489 State Application Submitted (SA)
    Feb-5-2018 --- State Invitation Approved (SA)
    Feb-23-2018 ---Visa 489 Lodged (SA)
    Jun-5-2018 ---- Direct Grant...TYVM GOD!!!!
    July-21-2018 -- Big Move (May God Bless and Guide Us)

  • curiousmomcuriousmom Singapore
    Posts: 204Member
    Joined: Mar 05, 2013
    @eujin hi po salamt =)
  • eujineujin Shinjō
    Posts: 290Member
    Joined: Sep 23, 2016
    edited June 2017
    hi @kh@L3L, hmm, http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Product+Lookup/1220.0~First+Edition,+Revision+1~Chapter~UNIT+GROUP+2632+ICT+Support+and+Test+Engineers

    263213 includes system tester as additional title. may chance na related, just make sure na almost similar yung responsibilities.. Double check the caveats ahh for your nominated skill..

    Parang nabasa ko na pag negative, usually, nagsusuggest sila kung ano dapat ang nominated skill mo.. pero im not sure ha na, pag after nila magsuggest kung panibago bang assessment, or resubmit ng docs lang..
    hopefully someone here with the same case can answer :)

    a year from now, you will wish you had started today

  • rechierechie Singapore
    Posts: 93Member
    Joined: Dec 21, 2014
    guys tanong lng, san pinaka mura magpa certify true copy dto sa Singapore? Plan ko magpa CTC this coming weekends.

    suggestion nman please.

    Thanks,
  • eujineujin Shinjō
    Posts: 290Member
    Joined: Sep 23, 2016
    edited June 2017
    @rechie, andreweelegal.com , pero si ms janice na ang nagcecertify.. Required na ang magpa-red ribbon since Feb-Mar as mandated by law. I think meron pang mas mura sa iba.. search mo nalang here.

    a year from now, you will wish you had started today

  • rechierechie Singapore
    Posts: 93Member
    Joined: Dec 21, 2014
    @eujin sige checheck ko, thanks
  • eww14eww14 Singapore
    Posts: 20Member
    Joined: Mar 18, 2017
    Tanong lang, paano na ba ang NBI clearance dito sa SG, kailangan pa ba ng appointment sa embassy? Tapos kailangan pa din ba ipadala sa kakilala sa Pinas? May nagsabi kasi sakin na ngayon daw yung embassy na magpapadala sa NBI, pero hindi ko maverify sa website.

    @rechie - Depende kung gaano kadami at kung hindi ka rush, baka mas mura pa ipadala mo sa pinas, at doon na lang pa CTC. Ganoon na lang ginawa ko sakin, may 2 pages kasi akong na miss. Ang mahal kasi nung CTC dito, kailangan ng certificate, $70 dollars.
  • rechierechie Singapore
    Posts: 93Member
    Joined: Dec 21, 2014
    @eww14, salamat sa advise, pero gusto ko na kasi magpasa sa ACS,

    by the way ask ko lng, yong passport scanned copy nabasa ko sa ACS guidelines na yong mismong page lng na meron details ang kelangan, so pano ba ginawa nyo? yong mismong meron details lng? tpos yong opposite page na blank tinanggal nyo?
  • rechierechie Singapore
    Posts: 93Member
    Joined: Dec 21, 2014
    edited June 2017
    guys tatanong lng ako ulit,

    kung ang work experience mo ay mixed, like some were in Philippines and then the succeeding eh dto sa Singapore, dpat ba pag nagpa certify true copy ako, yong experience ko sa Pinas eh sa Pinas ko din dpat ipa CTC tpos yong work experience ko dto sa SG eh dto ko nman dpat ipa CTC?

    Same with my passport and wife and daughter passport or birth certificate eh dpat sa Pinas ko din ipa CTC?

    Ganun ba yon?

    Or pwede kaya sa Philippine embassy?

    Thanks,
  • studio719studio719 melbourne
    Posts: 63Member
    Joined: Oct 22, 2016
    @rechie pwedeng sabay-sabay mo nang pa-CTC lahat ng documents mo sa iisang location. it doesn't matter kung SG or PH. though kung sa SG mo nga plan, pagsabay-sabayin mo na lahat ng kailangan mo kasi nabanggit nga na may new rule this year sa SG na may $70 certificate na kailangan each time magpanotary sa SG.

    about sa passport question mo for ACS, it doesn't matter kung ung details page lang or kung maisama mo ung adjacent blank page.

    Jun 2015 - IELTS exam and ACS assessment (both positive)
    Jul 2015 - received rejection for VIC SS
    May 2016 - re-applied for VIC SS
    Aug 2016 - approved for VIC SS and got ITA
    Sep 2016 - first CO contact
    Oct 2016 - visa granted
    Jun 2017 - BM

    www.studio719.net

  • rechierechie Singapore
    Posts: 93Member
    Joined: Dec 21, 2014
    @studio719 salamat. Nabasa ko din yan 70$ na yan. Anyway, papa ctc na ako tomorrow. Good luck sa lahat and thank you ulit
  • kh@L3Lkh@L3L Adelaide
    Posts: 125Member
    Joined: Jun 06, 2017
    edited June 2017
    @eujin salamat sa pag sagot..... tanong ko lang.....ano yang required na red-ribbon? bago ba yan?

    so hindi na cla allowed mag notarized if wlang red ribbon? tama ba?

    261314 (Software Tester)
    June 2017 ------Doc Collection
    July-1-2017 ----ACS Assessment
    Sept-11-2017 --Skill Assessed suitable
    Sept-28-2017 --PTE 1 L77-R79-S59-W77
    Oct-10-2017 ---PTE 2 L66-R66-S49-W73
    Nov-6-2017 ----PTE 3 Exam
    Nov-15-2017 ---PTE 3 Result L82-R84-S90-W80
    Nov-16-2017 ---Visa 190 EOI Submitted (VIC)
    Nov-17-2017 ---State Invitation To Apply (VIC)
    Nov-19-2017 ---State Application Submitted (VIC)
    Jan-10-2018 ---Visa 190 State Application Denied (VIC)
    Jan-11-2018 --- Visa 489 State Application Submitted (SA)
    Feb-5-2018 --- State Invitation Approved (SA)
    Feb-23-2018 ---Visa 489 Lodged (SA)
    Jun-5-2018 ---- Direct Grant...TYVM GOD!!!!
    July-21-2018 -- Big Move (May God Bless and Guide Us)

  • eujineujin Shinjō
    Posts: 290Member
    Joined: Sep 23, 2016
    @kh@L3L , sila na po maglagay ng ribbon.. dun lang sa law firm.. hindi naman required ng DIBP or any assessing body.. :)

    a year from now, you will wish you had started today

  • kh@L3Lkh@L3L Adelaide
    Posts: 125Member
    Joined: Jun 06, 2017
    eujin said:

    @kh@L3L , sila na po maglagay ng ribbon.. dun lang sa law firm.. hindi naman required ng DIBP or any assessing body.. :)

    oh ok :) akala ko kukuha pa ako ng red ribbon sa pinas :)...... mga mag kano ang palagay ng red ribbon? yan ba yun 70$?

    261314 (Software Tester)
    June 2017 ------Doc Collection
    July-1-2017 ----ACS Assessment
    Sept-11-2017 --Skill Assessed suitable
    Sept-28-2017 --PTE 1 L77-R79-S59-W77
    Oct-10-2017 ---PTE 2 L66-R66-S49-W73
    Nov-6-2017 ----PTE 3 Exam
    Nov-15-2017 ---PTE 3 Result L82-R84-S90-W80
    Nov-16-2017 ---Visa 190 EOI Submitted (VIC)
    Nov-17-2017 ---State Invitation To Apply (VIC)
    Nov-19-2017 ---State Application Submitted (VIC)
    Jan-10-2018 ---Visa 190 State Application Denied (VIC)
    Jan-11-2018 --- Visa 489 State Application Submitted (SA)
    Feb-5-2018 --- State Invitation Approved (SA)
    Feb-23-2018 ---Visa 489 Lodged (SA)
    Jun-5-2018 ---- Direct Grant...TYVM GOD!!!!
    July-21-2018 -- Big Move (May God Bless and Guide Us)

  • eujineujin Shinjō
    Posts: 290Member
    Joined: Sep 23, 2016
    @kh@L3L , ok, notarial certificate pala ang tawag. hehe, around 75$.. as someone here mentioned, better kung sama sama na lahat, kasi per CTC request un.. ;) so imagine how much it would cost you kung pabalik balik ka.. hehe.

    a year from now, you will wish you had started today

  • kh@L3Lkh@L3L Adelaide
    Posts: 125Member
    Joined: Jun 06, 2017
    @eujin , salamat sa pag sagot :) pa ctc ako sa kataposan pra mka pag acs na :) salamat ulit

    261314 (Software Tester)
    June 2017 ------Doc Collection
    July-1-2017 ----ACS Assessment
    Sept-11-2017 --Skill Assessed suitable
    Sept-28-2017 --PTE 1 L77-R79-S59-W77
    Oct-10-2017 ---PTE 2 L66-R66-S49-W73
    Nov-6-2017 ----PTE 3 Exam
    Nov-15-2017 ---PTE 3 Result L82-R84-S90-W80
    Nov-16-2017 ---Visa 190 EOI Submitted (VIC)
    Nov-17-2017 ---State Invitation To Apply (VIC)
    Nov-19-2017 ---State Application Submitted (VIC)
    Jan-10-2018 ---Visa 190 State Application Denied (VIC)
    Jan-11-2018 --- Visa 489 State Application Submitted (SA)
    Feb-5-2018 --- State Invitation Approved (SA)
    Feb-23-2018 ---Visa 489 Lodged (SA)
    Jun-5-2018 ---- Direct Grant...TYVM GOD!!!!
    July-21-2018 -- Big Move (May God Bless and Guide Us)

  • kh@L3Lkh@L3L Adelaide
    Posts: 125Member
    Joined: Jun 06, 2017
    edited June 2017
    guys, ma tanong ko lng.....saan kau nag PTE? ok ba ung RELC pte?

    261314 (Software Tester)
    June 2017 ------Doc Collection
    July-1-2017 ----ACS Assessment
    Sept-11-2017 --Skill Assessed suitable
    Sept-28-2017 --PTE 1 L77-R79-S59-W77
    Oct-10-2017 ---PTE 2 L66-R66-S49-W73
    Nov-6-2017 ----PTE 3 Exam
    Nov-15-2017 ---PTE 3 Result L82-R84-S90-W80
    Nov-16-2017 ---Visa 190 EOI Submitted (VIC)
    Nov-17-2017 ---State Invitation To Apply (VIC)
    Nov-19-2017 ---State Application Submitted (VIC)
    Jan-10-2018 ---Visa 190 State Application Denied (VIC)
    Jan-11-2018 --- Visa 489 State Application Submitted (SA)
    Feb-5-2018 --- State Invitation Approved (SA)
    Feb-23-2018 ---Visa 489 Lodged (SA)
    Jun-5-2018 ---- Direct Grant...TYVM GOD!!!!
    July-21-2018 -- Big Move (May God Bless and Guide Us)

  • Bart_SanJoseBart_SanJose Singapore
    Posts: 110Member
    Joined: Mar 12, 2016
    Guys, ask ko lng if may nakaexperience dito mgpaconvert ng sg driver's license using philippine international driving permit (pidp) issued by AAP instead of driving license issued by LTO. Thanks.

    Structural Engineer (233214)

    October 29, 2016 - IELTS exam
    November 8, 2016 - IELTS result L8.5 R7 W7 S7
    January 10, 2017 - EA MSA CDR application submitted
    February 15, 2017 - EA positive outcome received
    February 21, 2017 - EOI for Visa 189 submitted (70 pts)
    March 1, 2017 - ITA received
    April 5, 2017 - Visa subclass 189 application lodged
    April 20, 2017 - Visa Grant received (Thank you Lord!)

  • engineer20engineer20 Sydney
    Posts: 1,719Member, Moderator
    Joined: Jun 09, 2011
    @Bart_SanJose di pwede IDP, kailangan talaga yung PHL DL card.

    29May2015: Submitted Online Application to VETASSESS (312112 Building Associate)
    02Jun2015: Lodged Date at VETASSESS
    28Aug2015: VETASSESS Assessment Completed (312112 Building Associate) - POSITIVE
    17Oct2015: PTE-A taken at SG
    19Oct2015: PTE-A Result: L-83, R-90, S-76, W-90 OAS-87
    19Oct2015: Submitted EOI Visa 190 (65 points plus SS 5 points if granted)
    19Oct2015: Submitted VIC SS Online Application Visa 190
    20Oct2015: VIC acknowledged SS application and gave Reference Number
    02Nov2015: VIC SS Application Rejected
    05Nov2015: Submitted Online Reassessment to VETASSESS (312212 Civil Engineering Technician) 08Feb2016: VETASSESS Outcome POSITIVE
    07Nov2015: Updated EOI to select NSW (312112)
    18Dec2015: Received NSW SS Invitation Stream 2
    21Dec2015: Lodged NSW SS Application
    12Jan2016: NSW SS Approved / Visa 190 ITA Received
    29Jan2016: SG PCC (Me) / Medical (Me, Wife and Kid)
    01Feb2016: Medicals Cleared
    05Feb2016: Lodged Visa 190
    18Feb2016: NBI Clearance Applied (Me and Wife) - HIT
    29Feb2016: SG PCC (Wife)
    03Mar2016: Collected and Uploaded NBI Clearance
    04Mar2016: Direct Grant
    07May2016: Initial Entry (Sydney)
    16Jul2017: Big Move
    Oct2020: Lodged Citizenship Application
    May2021: Citizenship Interview and Test
    TBA: Citizenship Ceremony

  • spywarespyware Singapore
    Posts: 184Member
    Joined: Oct 15, 2014
    edited June 2017
    Hello po! May concern lang po ako ifever we'll pursue our OZ dream...
    May possibility pa po bang mag invite under Visa 190 ( NSW) if you only have 60+5 (SS) pts.?
    261311 Analyst Programmer ( nom. occu.).
    This being our last option kc max 20pts. na for PTE-A and 15pts. for Skilled emp.

    Thank you in advance sa mga sasagot! :)
  • Bart_SanJoseBart_SanJose Singapore
    Posts: 110Member
    Joined: Mar 12, 2016
    @engineer20 hi thanks. Ngrenew kasi ako ng driver's license last dec 13,2016.. hanggang ngaun walanp ung card. Plan ko kasi mgpaconvert muna dito sa sg before mgmove sa Au. May maisusuggest k b n iba pwede gawin?

    Structural Engineer (233214)

    October 29, 2016 - IELTS exam
    November 8, 2016 - IELTS result L8.5 R7 W7 S7
    January 10, 2017 - EA MSA CDR application submitted
    February 15, 2017 - EA positive outcome received
    February 21, 2017 - EOI for Visa 189 submitted (70 pts)
    March 1, 2017 - ITA received
    April 5, 2017 - Visa subclass 189 application lodged
    April 20, 2017 - Visa Grant received (Thank you Lord!)

  • sansasansa Melbourne
    Posts: 231Member
    Joined: Jun 27, 2016
    @Bart_SanJose need po tlga ng physical Id Ph to covert you license from ph to sg. You can call lto sa branch kung san k nagrenew if ready for collection nya then send it thru dhl. Ganyan ginawa ni hubby. Malaking bagay yung sg drivers license here no need to take n ng exam.
  • jmban33jmban33 New Farm
    Posts: 289Member
    Joined: Mar 09, 2016
    @engineer20 beo nandito ka na ba sa Au musta
  • engineer20engineer20 Sydney
    Posts: 1,719Member, Moderator
    Joined: Jun 09, 2011
    @jmban33 bro nxt week pa dating ko. ikaw musta na sa BNE?

    29May2015: Submitted Online Application to VETASSESS (312112 Building Associate)
    02Jun2015: Lodged Date at VETASSESS
    28Aug2015: VETASSESS Assessment Completed (312112 Building Associate) - POSITIVE
    17Oct2015: PTE-A taken at SG
    19Oct2015: PTE-A Result: L-83, R-90, S-76, W-90 OAS-87
    19Oct2015: Submitted EOI Visa 190 (65 points plus SS 5 points if granted)
    19Oct2015: Submitted VIC SS Online Application Visa 190
    20Oct2015: VIC acknowledged SS application and gave Reference Number
    02Nov2015: VIC SS Application Rejected
    05Nov2015: Submitted Online Reassessment to VETASSESS (312212 Civil Engineering Technician) 08Feb2016: VETASSESS Outcome POSITIVE
    07Nov2015: Updated EOI to select NSW (312112)
    18Dec2015: Received NSW SS Invitation Stream 2
    21Dec2015: Lodged NSW SS Application
    12Jan2016: NSW SS Approved / Visa 190 ITA Received
    29Jan2016: SG PCC (Me) / Medical (Me, Wife and Kid)
    01Feb2016: Medicals Cleared
    05Feb2016: Lodged Visa 190
    18Feb2016: NBI Clearance Applied (Me and Wife) - HIT
    29Feb2016: SG PCC (Wife)
    03Mar2016: Collected and Uploaded NBI Clearance
    04Mar2016: Direct Grant
    07May2016: Initial Entry (Sydney)
    16Jul2017: Big Move
    Oct2020: Lodged Citizenship Application
    May2021: Citizenship Interview and Test
    TBA: Citizenship Ceremony

  • jmban33jmban33 New Farm
    Posts: 289Member
    Joined: Mar 09, 2016
    @engineer20 good luck and God bless bro . Ok naman sa Bne relaks lang. San ba state napili mo
  • engineer20engineer20 Sydney
    Posts: 1,719Member, Moderator
    Joined: Jun 09, 2011
    @jmban33 sa SYD kami

    29May2015: Submitted Online Application to VETASSESS (312112 Building Associate)
    02Jun2015: Lodged Date at VETASSESS
    28Aug2015: VETASSESS Assessment Completed (312112 Building Associate) - POSITIVE
    17Oct2015: PTE-A taken at SG
    19Oct2015: PTE-A Result: L-83, R-90, S-76, W-90 OAS-87
    19Oct2015: Submitted EOI Visa 190 (65 points plus SS 5 points if granted)
    19Oct2015: Submitted VIC SS Online Application Visa 190
    20Oct2015: VIC acknowledged SS application and gave Reference Number
    02Nov2015: VIC SS Application Rejected
    05Nov2015: Submitted Online Reassessment to VETASSESS (312212 Civil Engineering Technician) 08Feb2016: VETASSESS Outcome POSITIVE
    07Nov2015: Updated EOI to select NSW (312112)
    18Dec2015: Received NSW SS Invitation Stream 2
    21Dec2015: Lodged NSW SS Application
    12Jan2016: NSW SS Approved / Visa 190 ITA Received
    29Jan2016: SG PCC (Me) / Medical (Me, Wife and Kid)
    01Feb2016: Medicals Cleared
    05Feb2016: Lodged Visa 190
    18Feb2016: NBI Clearance Applied (Me and Wife) - HIT
    29Feb2016: SG PCC (Wife)
    03Mar2016: Collected and Uploaded NBI Clearance
    04Mar2016: Direct Grant
    07May2016: Initial Entry (Sydney)
    16Jul2017: Big Move
    Oct2020: Lodged Citizenship Application
    May2021: Citizenship Interview and Test
    TBA: Citizenship Ceremony

  • jmban33jmban33 New Farm
    Posts: 289Member
    Joined: Mar 09, 2016
    @engineer20 nice pre good luck and God bless sa adventure
  • jazmyne18jazmyne18 Singapore
    Posts: 574Member
    Joined: Jul 04, 2017
    Finally, natapos ko rin pagbabackread. Hehe.

    Dami kong take away sa inyo. Thank youuuu! So far, wala naman akong questions since ninote ko na lahat ng mga suggestions nyo.

    Kaya magpapakilala na lang ako, husband is the main applicant. He had IELTS na last year tapos hindi kami motivated enough to work on our application so napend siya but now, we're working on his career episode, hoping we can submit to EA by August. :)

    MAIN APPLICANT: Husband

    2016 07 16 - IELTS Exam
    2016 07 26 - IELTS Result: PROFICIENT <3
    2017 09 11 - EA Assessment [Fast Track]
    2017 09 29 - EA Assessment Outcome: COMPETENT <3
    2017 09 30 - EOI
    2017 10 04 - ITA <3
    2017 11 03 - Lodged Visa 189
    2018 01 15 - Counting ends here, after 73 days: VISA GRANT <3

  • rj09rj09 Australia
    Posts: 112Member
    Joined: Aug 10, 2016
    Hello! i am new here sa pinoyau. 7 years na here in SG. Currently, nagaayos na ako ng documents for ACS assessment. Nakasked naman for PTE in October. Biggest challenge ko ngayon is makakuha ng employer reference kung san ako nagwork. buti na lang etong current company ko eh magbibigay ng COE with JD, pati yung previous company ko dito. Yung 2 companies ko sa pinas ang pinakaproblema ko. Kelangan ng matindi-tinding pangungulit sa ex-supervisors.

    261313 -Software Engineer | Age: 30pts | Education: 15 | Experience: 15 | English: 10 | Total: 70

    Aug 2016 - Joined Pinoy AU Forum
    Jul 17, 2017 - Start preparing docs for ACS
    Aug 14, 2017 - Submitted application for ACS assessment
    Sep 11, 2017 - PTE exam. L: 90 - S: 80 - R: 78 - W: 82 (Sayang! Superior na sana)
    Sep 20, 2017 - Received my ACS Assessment
    Sep 26, 2017 - PTE Retake L: 83 - S: 77 - R: 87 - W: 88 (sayang na naman hindi umabot!)
    Oct 21, 2017 - EOI Lodged (189 - 70 pts)
    Nov 8, 2017 - Received ITA for 189
    Nov 13, 2017 - Lodged Visa 189
    Nov 20, 2017 - NBI Fingerprinting and SG COC Fingerprinting appointment (Received SG COC on the same day)
    Dec 2, 2017 - Medical @ SATA AMK (Me & my Daughter)
    Dec 5, 2017 - Medical @ SATA AMK (Husband) and TST Reading for our daughter
    Dec 7, 2017 - Medical cleared (Husband & Daughter). No action required.
    Dec 11, 2017 - Medical cleared (primary applicant). No action required.
    Feb 1, 2018 - CO Contact. Requested Form 815 Health Undertaking for my daughter. Submitted the form on the same day.
    March 8, 2018 - Got our grant!! Thank you Lord!
    July 2, 2018 - Husband's Big Move (Melbourne)
    Sept 14, 2018 - Me and my daughter's Big Move

  • IslanderndCityIslanderndCity Adelaide
    Posts: 2,274Member, Moderator
    Joined: Mar 30, 2013
    @jazmyne18 good job! Nag effort masyado backreading and writing notes... You will succeed sa Oz plan niyo po

    Assessed Occupation: Industrial Engineer (IE 233511)
    Achieved Goal: Australia PR (Permanent Resident). Thanks God!

    ...sharpening my core gifts now...
    ...working on new, better goals...

    Bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ~Luke 6:28~

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