How do you 'compete' without 'local' experience?

pinoykiwi_inOZ · January 2015

@WizardofOz, kung opinion mo tatanungin mo. I won't write "available upon request" because that is not the aussie format. Its either you write the referees or don't write the Character reference in your CV. All companies, head hunters will require referees anyway. At kung nagsimula ka ng mag apply some head hunters will asked you to filled out some forms may section for references/referees dun mo pwedeng ilagay yung mga taong kabatak mo na magbibigay sayo ng magandang reference sa mga dati mong work.

They won't judge you as over/under qualified ka in the position that your applying with the referees you provided. They are asking who was your work etiquette in your previous job, do you get along with people in your team, company. How's your well you speak or understand english. Ang dreaded question palaging sinabi sa kin ng mga referees ko is "Is there anyting you want to say that doesn't covered by the questions or surveys that we ask that might affect this application. Of course dapat sagutin nila ito hindi lang dapat NO ang answer. Sabi ng mga puti loaded question ito. This might make or break kung ihihire ka.

All the best in your job haunting. Dapat may section tayo na FAQ job interview questions para mapaghandaan ng ibang tao dito sa forum na nag aapply ng work sa OZ.

rolly04 · January 2015

May nabasa akong article na huwag ilagay sa resume "references available upon request".

So just omit the Character References section of your resume pag ayaw mong maglagay ng specific names ng references.

Tama nga naman, "references available upon request" will just make your resume longer, it does not add any value. Anyway, if the employer is really interested in your qualifications, for sure they will ask for references at a later stage of the recruitment process.

cholle · January 2015

My current employer didn't ask for references. I had one interview and they interviewed another guy after me, then they offered me the job the same day. Depends on the requirement and the employer. In my case they immediately needed someone to start ASAP, ako pa nga nagpa-delay ng start ko.

I also applied somewhere else, went to two interviews, then they asked me for references. I didn't get it, sayang. They got someone else with more experience daw. Sabi ng references ko (mga ex employer ko in Singapore) they weren't even contacted. With this job it didn't seem like an immediate vacancy to be filled asap because they really took their sweet time with the application process.

wizardofOz · January 2015

@cholle ano nga uli yung work mo.. scientist ba yan na gumagawa ng mga formulas hehehe

vhoythoy · January 2015

Yung kakilala ko sa PWC audit firm sa sydney hindi din humingi ng referees, depende din cguro sa company hindi lahat humihingi

wizz · January 2015

Yung mga "References" po na hinihingi ng employers.. dapat ba nasa Australia din?

Or would they call them up even if nasa overseas yung mga References.. Salamat!

ako they called my former employer in Singapore tapos hiningan din ako ng personal reference na within Australia. so, saken merong professional and personal reference.

cholle · January 2015

@wizardofOz strata property management, which is the same job I had in Singapore

IslanderndCity · February 2015

@cholle so oftentimes yung char reference na hiningi nila ay yung sa most recent employer?

cholle · February 2015

@IslanderndCity ang hiningi nila is someone whom you were reporting to

IslanderndCity · February 2015

@cholle for instance my current boss, my boss in my 2nd company last 2007, and even my boss in my 1st company noong 2004 po?

voltairevi · April 2015

same here.. well, i guess we really are at a disadvantage with no local experience.. also, considering the number of candidates the companies are choosing from, it's really a challenge to get noticed.. i've spoken to a LOT of recruiters and their advice is to just keep trying.. another option I am looking into is to take professional courses like OQP here in Melbourne. I've met the founder of OQP in NMIT and he is starting his own online company this month - he's calling it OBP. For those interested, you can check Terry O'Reilly in Linkedin..

gracee · April 2015

@JayR27 Pano po yung oqp sa queensland? 489 visa ako going to Qld this May. Qualified ba ako dun sa oqp?

voltairevi · April 2015

hi @gracee! if i may, OQP is somewhat a professional short course offered to help foreign talents adapt to the employment scene here in AU.. they conduct sessions for polishing your resume, cover letter, practice interviews, work placements, etc.. so you are free to enroll if you'd like.. meron lang discounts depending if you are a PR and/or holding a concession card.. that's how it is here in VIC but not sure if it's the same in QLD.. hope that helps

gracee · April 2015

Thanks @voltairevi! Meron ba sila website? Gusto ko sana maginquire kung meron sila sa Qld

voltairevi · April 2015

Np.. hmm, I'm not familiar with how it is in QLD. maybe someone from QLD can comment? Although, you could check TAFE or universities who might offer OQP or something similar..

IslanderndCity · April 2015

so in short, local experience means formal & documented integration with locals like you've joined short-term academic or occupational courses, involved in organisations like Toastmasters, Rotary, volunteered in charity works like in Habitat for Humanity, World Vision, etc. Not necessarily local job experiences.
Tama po ba?

just_g29 · April 2015

@jayr27 umm may skillmax dn po ba jsn sa perth?try nyo po enrol. Hubby ko same situation sYo. Andami nadin nya interviews with recruiters and test consultancy companies. Pero usually hindi tlga swak experience o process ng previous companies nya sa hinahanap nila. Tsaka cgro polish dn po yung answers sa interview. Kc yung recruiter ngayon n hubby talagang nipractice sya bago mag client interview. So far mukhang ok n interview nya kc nanghingi na ng reference Ang client. Try nyo po kung may skillmax na offer jan sa perth.search nyo tafe wa then skillmax yung tawag sa course. Kakastart plng n hubby knna.sabi nga nya sana dati nya pa nalaman ang skillmax para maguide sya sa pagawa ng cv pati sa interviews. For new migrants po yang skillmax.tinutulungan po nila kung pano dapat tamang cv at interview

meron pa ba skillmax?.. pano po ito?

just_g29 · April 2015

@JayR27, May work ka na ba? What field ng IT ka ba? I know a headhunter in Perth. I might be able to contact him and refer you. He has a assistant na pinay.... mabait yung pinay priority nya nga pinoy na naghahanap ng work. Ginagawa nya yung ang pinapasa nya dun sa recruitment manager na boss nya. If in a case you haven't found one just flick me a message.

Sa Sydney po ba may alam kayo? I.T po field ko.

gerardds · April 2015

@just_g29 anong specific IT field ka

kremitz · April 2015

@justg_29 search mo lang skillmax nsw. nag enrol dati hubby ko pero parang two sessions lang kasi nagkawork na sya. they will help you out sa cv, interview preparations etc.

Oz_wannabe · April 2015

@gracee san ka s QLD?

gracee · April 2015

@Oz_wannabe Sa mackay po

pinoykiwi_inOZ · April 2015

@just_g29, posted a message.

multitasking · April 2015

just in case you want to upskill.. may sale ang udemy hanggang April 29.... may mga courses for only 10AUD... https://www.udemy.com/courses

just_g29 · May 2015

@gerardds c/c++, vb/vb.net developer.
pwede rin sa testing since buong task sa sdlc ginagawa namin sa dati kong work..

Aiza05 · October 2016

@JayR27 @gracee @just_g29
Hi all! Sisingit napo ako just in case makatulong din to sa iba..konting background muna to kinda intrroduce myself...

bago lang po ako dto sa pinoyau.info and sa ilang weeks na pagbabasa ko dto ay sobrang ang dami ko na natutunan kya ako po ay natutuwa na makatulong din kahit papano, to give back...few months ago, sobrang ngsstruggle ako na makahanap ng work na tlgng gusto ko..but I cant compalin about my job right now since same field naman kaso Im in the lowest of the food chain kya sinisikap ko na makaangat paunti-unti...still now ngsstruggle prn ako kya ngdecide nako recently lng to take desperate measures and do something about it or else habang buhay ako mgmumukmok lol!

Sobrang simple kasi ng resume ko, in short hindi ako dalubhasa pagdating sa resume and cover letters, then I came across with the Airtasker, app sya dto sa AUstralia about posting task online tapos may mgbbid na gagawa ng task mo for a price..I paid $25 to someone to edit my resume but feeling ko thats not enough..I think I need to attend a course about job seeking skills, Im great with my work but Im very weak when it comes to interviews..I tend to black out all the time and end up not getting the job kahit qualified ako for the position..so i did some research and nabasa ko nga dto about SKILLMAX..skillmax po ata ay program ng NSW AMES..I emailed TAFE around my area and theyve told me na dto sa location ko (which is in Sydney), hindi dw po skillmax ang tawag nila dto sa TAFE kungdi JOBSEEKING FOR SKILLED MIGRANTS (Advanced and Intermediate English), comparable dw po ito sa skillmax and English for Employment programs..free dw po ito & runs bet.5-7 weeks and at the end may makukuha kang cert.IV..andto na po lahat like how to edit ur resume/coverletter, learn kung anong hiring culture dto etc..may mga requirements lng po sila like PR visa, 6.0 or above IELTS current (last 2 years) etc.

Hope makatulong kahit papano! Sorry sa haba ng post lol! ;-)

elleb1 · October 2016

@Aiza05 thanks for sharing this very helpful. me tanong lng ako kc lately hindi ko mahanap online yung skillmax dati meron nman. nasa website ba yung details ng skillmax?

Aiza05 · October 2016

elleb1 said:
@Aiza05 thanks for sharing this very helpful. me tanong lng ako kc lately hindi ko mahanap online yung skillmax dati meron nman. nasa website ba yung details ng skillmax?

Hi @elleb1 !

Your welcome and thank you din! ;-) Ano pong state nyo? dito po ata kasi NSW iba ang tawag nila sa skillmax pero equivalent dw ito ng skillmax...ngemail kasi ako sa TAFE at ang sabi sa email ay "Jobseeking for Skilled Migrants" ang tawag nila sa course nato..pag po kasi Skillmax ang hinahanap ko sa google, luma na ung page na lumalabas at walng lumalabas na updated available na classes kya ngdecide po ako mgtingin at mgtanong sa TAFE..pde nyo po itry isearch sa TAFE or email them tapos issend nila sa inyo ang details..hopefully that helps lol! ;-)

elleb1 · October 2016

@Aiza05 NSW din kami. oo tama ka luma na nga yung page. Buti nman at meron pa rin palang ganitong course na free. Actually wala pa kami sa Aus, nag reready pa lng for the big move:) Thank your this is really helpful! naka start ka na ba sa course?

Aiza05 · October 2016

Aiza05 said:

elleb1 said:
@Aiza05 thanks for sharing this very helpful. me tanong lng ako kc lately hindi ko mahanap online yung skillmax dati meron nman. nasa website ba yung details ng skillmax?
Hi @elleb1 !

Your welcome and thank you din! ;-) Ano pong state nyo? dito po ata kasi NSW iba ang tawag nila sa skillmax pero equivalent dw ito ng skillmax...ngemail kasi ako sa TAFE at ang sabi sa email ay "Jobseeking for Skilled Migrants" ang tawag nila sa course nato..pag po kasi Skillmax ang hinahanap ko sa google, luma na ung page na lumalabas at walng lumalabas na updated available na classes kya ngdecide po ako mgtingin at mgtanong sa TAFE..pde nyo po itry isearch sa TAFE or email them tapos issend nila sa inyo ang details..hopefully that helps lol! ;-)

Sinearch ko ulit ang skillmax ngyn lang ulit...Try nyo po isearch ang "Skillmax course-NSW AMES"..meaning po ng AMES ay Adult Migrant English Service..try ko rin muna mg inquire online..nakita ko po ung ibang Uni ngooffer ng course na skillmax kaso hndi ko lng sure kung free pero ung sa TAFE libre dw po..katulad po ng Western Sydney Uni may skillmax course sila pero sa TAFE iba po ang tawag nila but equivalent dw po yan sa skillmax...let me know how it goes ;-)