Defacto (same sex) dilemma

rohani99 · April 2015

@bernaabad hallo. sana Sydney banda or Melbourne pero yung nominated skill ko 139913 Lab Manager chever open nalang sya sa Adelaide. Oks na siguro kahit saan. Kayo ba?

PTwife · April 2015

Hi everyone. Newbie here. Thanks for this thread. Sobrang nakakagana. My partner kasi has applied to the US as physical therapist. Okay naman pero being clingy to each other eh parang natatagalan kami na kailangan mag citizen muna sya dun before nya ako ma petition as fiancee. Di rin kami pwede Canada kasi yung experience nya volunteer work, kailangan dun paid work experience. Ganito kasi sa Pilipinas bihira ka maging hospital staff. Pwede ba sa Australia ang volunteer work experience? Babaw lang we just want to be together, 13.5 years na kami. Living together for almost four years. Single kami pareho. Thanks.

Ivy

bernaabad · April 2015

@rohani99 hindi pa kami actually nagpaprocess pero we are looking at Brisbane. kaso mukhang New South Wales ung open sa nominated occupation ko...

bernaabad · April 2015

@PTwife hi, welcome! to answer your question, ang alam ko kasi dapat paid work experience ang needed kaya nirerequire minsan ung payslip or ITR as proof. although, maybe some of the guys here can clarify that expecially for Physical Therapist case..

by the way, bakit di nalang ikaw ang magtry mag apply? if your job is still included in list then i don't think there will be any problem if ikaw ang maging primary applicant. dapat lang malagpasan mo ung IELTS

hehe

PTwife · April 2015

Hi, @bernaabad, thank you for replying. I can't apply because though I have more years in work experience than her, sadly, my job is not included in the list. Siguro, go na lang kami sa US, and if we can't wait for five or six years to be together, maybe we can move to Oz after 3 years in the United States? Or yung iba ko naman nurse friends parang may bridging something na ginawa. I will check more on that. So there. Anyway, hindi rin kasi namin masyado gusto sa U.S. it's too far and hindi as solid as Aus and Canada ang gay rights. Thanks.

bernaabad · April 2015

@PTwife ahh uu may bridging program nga akong naririnig. I think parang magaaral ulit? pero at the same time pwede mag work. may separate forum un dito, maybe you can check it out

mahirap talaga mag kalayo at nakaka inspire ung stories ng couples who made it even if long distance. maybe search ka ng ibang option na pwede. there's always opportunity

all the best to you!

staycool · April 2015

Wow!! welcome everybody...

Dati pa po akong member dito and now I am in Sydney na, halos one year na...
Walang ganitong thread before about De FActo visa (or so I thought) so I came here alone without my partner (ignorant kse)...pero wala pang one year and nung nakapag-odd job ako, lahat ng ipon ko I spent to get my partner sa Pinas...we have lodged everything na via an agent and now, after almost 7 months, still waiting for her VISA grant.

I am so happy at marami na tayong mga in-a-same-sex-relationship aspiring for the Australian dream...

EB tayo soon kung marami rami na tayo here...

PTwife · May 2015

@staycool

Would you mind sharing your agent/agency assisting you in your application? Feeling ko mauubos din ipon namin sa gastos. Hehehe. Thanks

seestra · May 2015

I just want to thank everyone in this thread. This helped a lot in our application. Hope this will continue to give valuable information and help those dreaming of migrating to OZ.
God bless us all!

staycool · May 2015

Hi @PTwife, si Respall po ang Agent ko and in AUD po ang payments ko...sabihinna natin ipon ipon ng mga 10k ...hehehe...

I know, sobrang mahal...and yes, you can lodge it by yourself...that is, kung walang complications sa part nyo and lahat maaassure nyo na magiging smooth flowing...

Sa akin kse, aside sa tamad ako at walang time, medyo may complications sa part nya...

Sino ma magmmigrate na dito??

PM PM nalang....Cheers!!

se29m · September 2015

Hello, nagstart pa lang po ako magcollect ng docs for 189/190 subclass.. kung may partner po ako, pwede ko po ba sya iapply na de facto after ng grant ko? or pag andun na ako? salamat po..

fyi_12 · September 2015

Hello, nagstart pa lang po ako magcollect ng docs for 189/190 subclass.. kung may partner po ako, pwede ko po ba sya iapply na de facto after ng grant ko? or pag andun na ako? salamat po..

kung magkasama na kayo in a house and living as partners for at least 12 years, if you can backread here, it will be a better idea na isabay mo na sa application si partner mo. Mas matagl kase ang waiting time pag partner's visa and mas mahal.

I suggest backread ka dito sa thread (it's only 6 pages), maraming tips and scenarios that will greatly help you in your application. Goodl uck!

se29m · September 2015

@fyi_12 salamat po

amazingval · September 2015

@fyi_12 Hi thanks for sharing your experience. your situation is quite similar to ours. un defacto partner ko was invited for 189 visa, and it was lodged last Sep 14 (paid at 3600aud).

tanong ko lang po kasi nakapaglodge na siya ng application 189 visa and nabayaran na niya,eh ngayon lang namin nakita na pwede pala iinclude ako as defacto dependent. akala namen kasi un Partner Visa un only approach, eh pwede rin pala isama na ngayon palang. as of today, wala pa namang Case Officer assigned.

1. Nilagay pala niya is never married hindi de facto sa application..plan naming fill up yung form form 1022 to correct this information and additionally, form 1436 to add me as secondary applicant, ganito rin ba un ginawa nyo?

2. Magkano un visa fee mo para sa dependent partner mo?

3. Medical Health and Police Clearance lang ba ung kailangan for me (same kami ng dependent mo na ndi natapos un college...)?

RED · September 2015

@fyi_12 Hi thanks for sharing your experience. your situation is quite similar to ours. un defacto partner ko was invited for 189 visa, and it was lodged last Sep 14 (paid at 3600aud).

tanong ko lang po kasi nakapaglodge na siya ng application 189 visa and nabayaran na niya,eh ngayon lang namin nakita na pwede pala iinclude ako as defacto dependent. akala namen kasi un Partner Visa un only approach, eh pwede rin pala isama na ngayon palang. as of today, wala pa namang Case Officer assigned.

1. Nilagay pala niya is never married hindi de facto sa application..plan naming fill up yung form form 1022 to correct this information and additionally, form 1436 to add me as secondary applicant, ganito rin ba un ginawa nyo?

2. Magkano un visa fee mo para sa dependent partner mo?

3. Medical Health and Police Clearance lang ba ung kailangan for me (same kami ng dependent mo na ndi natapos un college...)?

for number 1, im not sure

for number 2, $1800 per additional applicant
https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa/Fees
see work - general migration

for number 3, proof of relationship, proof of english, medical, police clearance
https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/189-/Skilled-Independent-visa-(subclass-189)-document-checklist
see spouse-defacto partner, character requirements & family members english language ability

fyi_12 · October 2015

@amazingval

1. Sure ako hindi pa ko nagbayad nun binago ko yun application ko from single-never married to de facto. Kase isang beses lang kami nag bayad nun eh.

2. if I remember correctly, nasa 1,800 AUD yun additional payment for my partner.

3. Tama si red, in addition to the usual requirements na medical, police clearance (NBI lang sa partner ko kase hindi naman sya nag stay sa ibang bansa for more than 12 months), nag pasa din kami diploma nya Grade School and High School saka certificate from the university na nag attend sya ng school there for the a specified dates. TOR nya nun College, saka certificates from all schools na English yun medium of instruction. Nun una, college lang yun sinama namin sa application pero hiningan kami more evidences, kaya ayun kumuha kami sa grade school and high school nya.

tapos need din ng evidences ng partnership nyo..statutory declarations nyong 2 about your relationship, etc.

@dmnsantos
almost 3 years nun nag lodge ng application.

amazingval · October 2015

@fyi_12 thanks sa reply! Nag take n lang ako ng pte in lieu of english certificate hehe

mona_05302002 · October 2015

@amazingval , tanong ko lang po
1) kung may standard format po ang Statutory declaration baka pwede pong ishare...
2) Ano pong document kailangan i-aattach sa Stat Dec --> passport lang po ba ng nagsulat and pumirma ng stat dec?
3) Pwede po ba dito kahit ung standard na notarization ng lawyer?

salamat po in advance!

amazingval · October 2015

@mona_05302002
1 wala namang standard format yung pinagawa namin pinasulat lang namin is yung statement kung pano nya nakilala si partner,kelan kami naging friend,what can she say about our relationship.
2 passport and signature email and phone number ang inaatach namin
3 yup standard notarize lang sa statement kasi ang ang pagkakaalam ko abot stat dec is kung may kakilala kayo sa australia na mag vouch sa relationship nyo eh wala naman kami kakilala sa aus so standard notarized statement lang pinasa namin.
hope this helps..:)

mona_05302002 · October 2015

amazingval ,salamat po sa advise

elord · October 2015

Hi All, tanong po kung meron sa inyo in a Long Distance Relationship and was able to have visa grant for de facto...13 years na po kami ng partner ko pero nasa manila sya and sa Kuala Lumpur ako..pero every 3-4 months po ang visit nya dito sa KL to stay with me for a week or two...wala din po kaming joint account so worry po ako sa financial aspects ng relationship..Hope to hear inputs from you guys..I really want to start a life together with my partner in AU after years of LDR

mhej · October 2015

Hi All, tanong po kung meron sa inyo in a Long Distance Relationship and was able to have visa grant for de facto...13 years na po kami ng partner ko pero nasa manila sya and sa Kuala Lumpur ako..pero every 3-4 months po ang visit nya dito sa KL to stay with me for a week or two...wala din po kaming joint account so worry po ako sa financial aspects ng relationship..Hope to hear inputs from you guys..I really want to start a life together with my partner in AU after years of LDR

Hi elord. I'm not sure if the rules have changed, but when my partner and I applied for de facto partner status, we needed to provide stamped documents to prove that we have been co-habiting for a minimum of 1 year continuous by the time the visa application starts.

So based on your situation, I would say that would be the biggest roadblock given that you have been in an LDR relationship.

Also, by definition, de facto is a couple living together. I think that is critical, because, when you think about it, if any relationship can be considered a de facto relationship, kahit yung mga magbf-gf lang ng isang taon (not co-habiting) pwede na mag apply for visa as de facto partners. This makes it a risk na people will just partner up for the sake of a visa and go their separate ways once naka land na sila sa AU.

That said, it won't hurt to try and see how far your application will go, so I would still say go and try to apply especially if funding the visa application processing is not an issue.

Good luck!

elord · October 2015

@mhej , thanks po . I decided not to include po muna partner ko baka madeny po both applications naming...mag apply na lang po muna sya ng student visa then while studying sa AU don na lang po kami magsama to meet the min 12 months.

Stidleyfied · October 2015

hi all, tanong lang po sa mga nasa OZ na... any benefits/allowance ba sa defacto partnerships? sa centrelink and medicare? or considered single parin yung status?

thanks in advance.

markier87 · October 2015

@Stidleyfied Hi! It depends on the state where you plane to stay. Some states recognize de facto partnerships once registered with the Dept of Births, Deaths and Marriages (or what ever counter part other states have) and once recognized, benefits are also made available.

lester_lugtu · November 2015

@amazingval , tanong ko lang po
1) kung may standard format po ang Statutory declaration baka pwede pong ishare...
2) Ano pong document kailangan i-aattach sa Stat Dec --> passport lang po ba ng nagsulat and pumirma ng stat dec?
3) Pwede po ba dito kahit ung standard na notarization ng lawyer?

salamat po in advance!

If the statement is made in PH, it should be notarised affidavit not stat dec. Dahil hindi naman legal ang stat dec satin. Unless otherwise AU-made statement sya eh stat dec tlga.

Passport lang.

And if u need any sample ng PH affidavit or stat dec marami sa internet. As in madami.

Hope this help.

lester_lugtu · November 2015

Hi All, tanong po kung meron sa inyo in a Long Distance Relationship and was able to have visa grant for de facto...13 years na po kami ng partner ko pero nasa manila sya and sa Kuala Lumpur ako..pero every 3-4 months po ang visit nya dito sa KL to stay with me for a week or two...wala din po kaming joint account so worry po ako sa financial aspects ng relationship..Hope to hear inputs from you guys..I really want to start a life together with my partner in AU after years of LDR

Sa pagkakatanda ko ung evidence ng co-existence eh minimum of 1yr. Na dapat magkasama kau sa iisang bahay. At ang proof neto eh ang rental receipt at leasing agreement na indicated ang both names nyo. Though nagsama kami for more than a year, wala kaming ganitong proof so immediately gumawa kami at pinasign namin sa landlord. Even the monthly rental receipt kami gumawa. In short, alam mo na ang gagawin... Ehehe

In terms of financial evidence, wala din kmi sinubmit na joint account. Instead, ung mga resibo ng padala o remittances nya pinakita namin. Nung time na nagwowork na sya d2 sa aus at nasa pinas pako.

Hope these help.

lester_lugtu · November 2015

@mhej , thanks po . I decided not to include po muna partner ko baka madeny po both applications naming...mag apply na lang po muna sya ng student visa then while studying sa AU don na lang po kami magsama to meet the min 12 months.

Hi. Tingin ko ung magiging problem nyo is ung 1yr continued living in. Nevertheless, suggestion ko pa din na isama mo na sya sa application. U just have to tell the C.O kung anung uri ng relationdship nyo. Naniniwala kc aq na even though very standard sila sa rules, ookay pa din sila sa LDR nyo. 13yrs of LDR isnt a joke. Ipakita nyo lang lahat ng travel proof nya ppntang KL. At ikwento nyo thru affidavit/statement ng maayos. Cgrdo ppyag pa din sila.

elord · November 2015

@lester_lugtu thanks po for the very positive advise...this gives me a 2nd thought of including my partner in my application...anyway, i think worst case is kahit ma-deny sya, wala naman po sa tingin kong valid reason na pati ako madedeny for my 189 visa

bikwinibottom · February 2016

Anyone here who has a student visa and tried getting their partner while studying? Or tinapos nyo muna yung school nyo and applied for your 190/189visa then tsaka nyo pinasunod partner nyo?