Australian Computer Society Skills Application

Sid Lim · January 2017

@Heprex hehehe wala naman sir, siguro wait ko nalang yung labas ng passport ko bago ako mag pa re-assess ulit. thanks bro

iska03 · January 2017

Hi po!
Need ko po sana suggestion or opinion nyo.
Almost complete ko na po yung COE ko from previous employment ko. Gusto ko sana magsubmit na sa acs kahit wala pa yung COE ko from current employment. Sa june ko pa kasi balak magresign nahihiya ako kumuha ngayon kasi malalaman nila na balak ko umalis.
Pwede ko naman pa update yung acs ko diba?

auitdreamer · January 2017

@iska03 Best na icomplete mo muna lahat ng documents mo bago ka magsubmit sa ACS. Mabilis lang kasi ang assessment ng ACS. Baka mapagastos ka pa kasi may reassessment fee pag nagdagdag o may papapalitan ka.

Huwag kang mahihiyang humingi ng COE. Naka ilang hingi na ako ng COE for travel. Pwede mo namang sabihin for work assessement/certification yung purpose ng COE mo.

iska03 · January 2017

@auitdreamer ah ok po. Try ko humingi COE for certification. Bully kasi boss ko.ahaha. nahiya tuloy ako. magkano po kaya fee sa re-assessment?

einra2k2 · January 2017

Hello. Down po ba site ni ACS as of this moment?

charmeleon · January 2017

Mukhang down po, di ako makalogin dun sa site nila

einra2k2 · January 2017

@charmeleon

up na ulit site nila. naka send na ko ng application

imnats · January 2017

Hello,

I am about to submit my docs for ACS Assessment. My few questions lang po. Hope someone can help me.

Do i need to fill out all my experience? I am asking this because for my first two companies in the Philippines dina ako nakakuha ng Employment Letters with the format and content prescribed by ACS. I only have generic format for certificate of employments from these 2 companies. Anyway, even without these two companies, my years of experience would still be more than 10 years. Should i include this company when filling the ACS form and attached my generic COE or just don't include this detail at all. Worry ko lang if i don't include this detail they might be asking what I did after my Bachelor Degree.

Please advise specially those with similar experience. Thank you.

rich88 · January 2017

@imnats not required if you don't plan on claiming work experience for those. Take note that you need to declare those work experiences if Form80 and Form1221 are requested by your case officer once you lodge your visa application..

YoungJebediah · February 2017

Edited: I asked a question and got answers. Thanks!

By the way, are there any users who went through the ICT Business Analyst route here?

fedsquare · February 2017

Hello guys,

It's my 1st time to post a question here and hoping to get your advice on my situation. I recently got my results from ACS and i'd like to ask whether it's best to apply for Review or to have my skills and qualification re-assessed from scratch.

I got 10 points for qualification. Took up a bachelor's degree in Computer Science from UP in the Visayas (which falls under Section 2) but acs only had it assessed as Associate Degree.

As for work exp, i got 10 pts only. My 12 yrs of experience were all deemed suitable but only 6 years were credited for skilled employment.

I have 2 more years of undeclared work experience so im planning to request for Review. Is this possible? Or would you suggest that i suggest start again with the assessment as they might consider my qualification as bachelors degree the 2nd time?

Here's the result for your reference:

Your skills have been assessed to be suitable for migration under 261111 (ICT Business Analyst) of the ANZSCO Code.

Your qualification has been assessed as follows:
Your Bachelor of Science in Computer Science from University of the Philippines completed April 2000 has been assessed as comparable to an AQF Associate Degree with a major in computing.

The following employment after October 2010 is considered to equate to work at an appropriately skilled level and relevant to 261111 (ICT Business Analyst) of the ANZSCO Code.

10/04 - 05/12 (7yrs 7mths)
Manager, Reporting Accounts
Company ABC
PHILIPPINES

07/12 - 06/13 (0yrs 11mths)
IT Business Analyst
Company DEF
Singapore

06/13 - 12/16 (3yrs 6mths) Business Analyst 4 Company HIG
SINGAPORE

Thanks in advance!

I.T.guy · February 2017

Hello to all,

Need some advise po for ACS requirement. If the CoE does not contains details about '"Hours Worked (i.e. Full time)", will the ACS not considered it for assessment? Do I need to get Statutory Declaration for this? I've got all other required details in CoE except for this requirement. Also, it would take some time (i.e. months) if I will go again to my employer to seek amended CoE.

Appreciate if someone can advise especially those who have submitted with similar case. Thanks in advance.

rich88 · February 2017

@fedsquare Most probably, applying for re-assessment won't change the outcome from AQF diploma to AQF bachelor even if you add 2 more years of work experience as your degree was already assessed as "major in computing."

AFAIK, if you're nominated occupation is ICT Business Analyst, the most closely related course is Information Systems. I believe that's the reason why 6 years were deducted from your work experience.

My advise: get sufficient documentation for the undeclared 2 year work experience and send a new application. If successful, you can now claim 8 years instead of 6 which amounts to 15 points.

fedsquare · February 2017

@rich88 thanks for the prompt response, appreciate it. Just some additional questions - if i lodge a new skill assessment application, do i have to link it to my earlier application? I was just worried that i might get a lower result result if i go by this route as opposed to lodging a "review application".

Thanks again!

auitdreamer · February 2017

iska03 said:
@auitdreamer ah ok po. Try ko humingi COE for certification. Bully kasi boss ko.ahaha. nahiya tuloy ako. magkano po kaya fee sa re-assessment?

$395 din para magpareview. Halos same cost ng original assessment.

rich88 · February 2017

@fedsquare Yes, you have to. They specifically stated that if you wish to apply for a new assessment, you have to link it to your old one if any. Don't worry, you won't get a worse result.

Even if you don't, they already have your records in their database so linking it will actually make it easier and faster for them to provide a new assessment.

fedsquare · February 2017

@rich88 thanks a lot bro!

YoungJebediah · February 2017

@fedsquare hey man, let us know what will happen to your re-assessment. I also want to go the ICT Business Analyst route, and from what I've read from others here, it looks like BS Computer Science is "not closely related" to that occupation. Thankfully I'm on a section 1 school so they're going to ask for 4 years lang if ever it is deemed "not closely related". If it is closely related, then swerte, 2 years deduction lang.

@rich88 is ACS that strict when it comes to job titles? My job description is the same as ICT Business Analyst according to the ANZSCO definition but my official title is "Operations Supervisor". I could always ask my direct manager for an affidavit for proof of job description, but I have to supply it with payslips daw. Are they going to talk to my manager or the company's HR? HR won't give a detailed CoE because of confidentiality reasons.

Heprex · February 2017

@YoungJebediah I think I can relate sa situation mo. Yung isang employer ko kase, generic yung name ng position or job title. My kanya kaya pang capability under that generic position like wintel engineer or unix engineer or storage/backup. Yung sa generic coe ko from HR, is yung normal na job title, pero yung affidavit ko from my colleague is yung aking capability mismo. Yung nilagay ko din sa ACS is yung Capability ko which is storage/backup, hindi yung nasa generic COE na delivery consultant. Okay naman ang naging assesment.

rich88 · February 2017

@YoungJebediah No, they're not strict with job titles; they are with roles and responsibilities though. Usually ACS doesn't call managers/HRs but DIBP case officers sometimes do if they aren't satisified with the documents you submitted.

Take note that DIBP case officers have the final say if your work experience claims are legit even if they're already assessed by ACS.

YoungJebediah · February 2017

@rich88 @Heprex That's good to know, because I'm planning to use my manager's affidavit detailing my specific job roles and then use HR's generic CoE as supporting docs, proof of my employment there.

My other concern is, what if DIBP calls HR and then asks about specific job roles? In our handbooks, my job description is still pretty generic. I'm worried that HR might say something like "oh these are his job roles, generic X, generic Y" and DIBP would side with HR over my manager, who's the best guy to talk to regarding my specifics. Has something like that happened before, where DIBP sided with HR over the statutory declaration from a superior?

(btw, I'm not going to claim points for experience since I won't meet the 3 years bracket, just the experience required to validate education)

Thanks for the awesome help guys!

rich88 · February 2017

@YoungJebediah Best course of action is to inform your HR about your application. Show them your manager's affidavit so that they'll have an idea on what to tell DIBP.

YoungJebediah · February 2017

@rich88 good idea man, that way both of them are aligned. Thanks!

pinayinmelb · February 2017

Hello po. May tanong po ako regarding skills assessment. Alam niyo po ba kung considered ICT course po ang BS Information Systems from DLSU? Thank you po in advance.

rich88 · February 2017

@pinayinmelb Yes it's considered as an ICT course. College of Computer Studies yan eh

YoungJebediah · February 2017

@rich88 sir, you seem well-versed in the application process so I hope you don't mind if I ask another question.

On this statement:

Please Note: If obtaining a Statutory Declaration or Affidavit outside Australia, please refer to an Australian Embassy or the legal standard of the country in which you are applying.

Can I have my affidavit notarized by ANY public attorney, or does it have to be someone from the Australian Embassy? Or do they have a list of Authorized Witnesses here?

rich88 · February 2017

@YoungJebediah Don't call me sir, brad/pare na lang. Yes, any public attorney will do (I'm assuming it's legit). There's a list of things that they want to see in a notarized document or statutory declarations.

Things to note in your COE:
The following information is required on each page of your certified copy:
 The words Certified True Copy of the Original
 The signature of the certifying person
 The name of the certifying person
 Registration number or title of the certifying person (e.g.: Police Officer, Doctor)
 Certification details must be legible on the copy and the certification should be dated

Guidelines for statutory declarations/affidavits:
The following Statutory Declarations or Affidavits are NOT suitable:
 Does NOT contain words to the effect Sworn Before or Signed Before or Witnessed Before.
 From a junior colleague
 Stating the referee agrees with what the applicant has written in another document
 Stamp and signature of Notary Public doesn’t state that the referee’s signature is witnessed
 Signature of Notary Public only states Attested Copy.

You can refer to the guidelines published by ACS here: https://more.acs.org.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/7319/Skills-Assessment-Guidelines-for-Applicants.pdf

YoungJebediah · February 2017

@rich88 ayos, your help is great man, thanks!

yasarella · February 2017

Just want to share that I've been assessed as equivalent to AU Bachelor's Degree Major in Computing, 2 years deduction. My school is De La Salle Lipa, BS ECE, which is section 3. Next step is to target superior English in PTE para makapag pasa na sa EOI this year.