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  • jerm_au16jerm_au16 Singapore
    Posts: 197Member
    Joined: Oct 20, 2016
    edited April 2017
    :-S

    221111 Accountant (General)

    23.09.2016 - visited Sydney & Melbourne
    (decided to pursue migration plans)
    19.12.2016 - PTE-A Exam - Scores Cancelled
    14.03.2017 - PTE-A Exam - L87 R88 S87 W90
    13.04.2017 – CPAA Assessment (Positive, but deducted 2 yrs in experience)
    13.04.2017 – Submitted EOI (189 – 75 pts / 190 (NSW) – 80 pts)
    25.05.2017 - Received NSW ITA
    26.05.2017 - Lodged nomination
    31.05.2017 - Approved NSW SS
    03.06.2017 - Medical @ Point Medical Paragon
    24.06.2017 - Repeat Medical (3x found blood in urine)
    05.07.2017 - SG COC
    08.07.2017 - 190 Visa Lodged
    14.09.2017 - Direct Grant Visa 190

    xx.xx.2017 - excited for DG!!!!

  • jerm_au16jerm_au16 Singapore
    Posts: 197Member
    Joined: Oct 20, 2016
    @aisleandrow yup, sent them an email yesterday. kung walng reply by monday, i'll have o call them :)

    221111 Accountant (General)

    23.09.2016 - visited Sydney & Melbourne
    (decided to pursue migration plans)
    19.12.2016 - PTE-A Exam - Scores Cancelled
    14.03.2017 - PTE-A Exam - L87 R88 S87 W90
    13.04.2017 – CPAA Assessment (Positive, but deducted 2 yrs in experience)
    13.04.2017 – Submitted EOI (189 – 75 pts / 190 (NSW) – 80 pts)
    25.05.2017 - Received NSW ITA
    26.05.2017 - Lodged nomination
    31.05.2017 - Approved NSW SS
    03.06.2017 - Medical @ Point Medical Paragon
    24.06.2017 - Repeat Medical (3x found blood in urine)
    05.07.2017 - SG COC
    08.07.2017 - 190 Visa Lodged
    14.09.2017 - Direct Grant Visa 190

    xx.xx.2017 - excited for DG!!!!

  • aron1986aron1986 Philippines
    Posts: 26Member
    Joined: Mar 27, 2017
    @jerm_au16 yep call them. sa 13 pa ang day 15 ko pero last thursday i called them saying pls expedite before april 12 because of the invitations. hnd ko alam may mar29 invitation round pala kaya 8 invitations nalang pala... hahaha sana nakahabol ako

    09/03/17 PTE-Academic 1st take (L-79 S-90 R-90 W-84)
    23/03/17 Submitted CPAA Migration Assessment Accountant (General)
    08/04/17 Positive CPAA assessment (work>5 years)
    08/04/17 Submitted EOI 189 (Total points = 75)
    12/07/17 ITA received
    17/07/17 Medicals Completed
    18/07/17 VISA Application Lodged
    28/17/17 All requirements uploaded
    18/10/17 VISA Grant

  • jerm_au16jerm_au16 Singapore
    Posts: 197Member
    Joined: Oct 20, 2016
    @aron1986 hand rn aq aware s march 29 invitation round. Ang tinwagan mo b ung customer service hotline as per website?

    221111 Accountant (General)

    23.09.2016 - visited Sydney & Melbourne
    (decided to pursue migration plans)
    19.12.2016 - PTE-A Exam - Scores Cancelled
    14.03.2017 - PTE-A Exam - L87 R88 S87 W90
    13.04.2017 – CPAA Assessment (Positive, but deducted 2 yrs in experience)
    13.04.2017 – Submitted EOI (189 – 75 pts / 190 (NSW) – 80 pts)
    25.05.2017 - Received NSW ITA
    26.05.2017 - Lodged nomination
    31.05.2017 - Approved NSW SS
    03.06.2017 - Medical @ Point Medical Paragon
    24.06.2017 - Repeat Medical (3x found blood in urine)
    05.07.2017 - SG COC
    08.07.2017 - 190 Visa Lodged
    14.09.2017 - Direct Grant Visa 190

    xx.xx.2017 - excited for DG!!!!

  • aron1986aron1986 Philippines
    Posts: 26Member
    Joined: Mar 27, 2017
    @jerm_au16 opo yung nasa website.. :) actually may nabasa ako na canceled ang mar29 round. kung alam ko sana as soon as nagpasa ako sa cpaa 2 days palang tumawag na ako para nakahabol... mar23 ako nagsubmit...

    09/03/17 PTE-Academic 1st take (L-79 S-90 R-90 W-84)
    23/03/17 Submitted CPAA Migration Assessment Accountant (General)
    08/04/17 Positive CPAA assessment (work>5 years)
    08/04/17 Submitted EOI 189 (Total points = 75)
    12/07/17 ITA received
    17/07/17 Medicals Completed
    18/07/17 VISA Application Lodged
    28/17/17 All requirements uploaded
    18/10/17 VISA Grant

  • aron1986aron1986 Philippines
    Posts: 26Member
    Joined: Mar 27, 2017
    @aisleandrow did you receive confirmation e-mail nung nasubmit mo EOI? I did not receive any.

    09/03/17 PTE-Academic 1st take (L-79 S-90 R-90 W-84)
    23/03/17 Submitted CPAA Migration Assessment Accountant (General)
    08/04/17 Positive CPAA assessment (work>5 years)
    08/04/17 Submitted EOI 189 (Total points = 75)
    12/07/17 ITA received
    17/07/17 Medicals Completed
    18/07/17 VISA Application Lodged
    28/17/17 All requirements uploaded
    18/10/17 VISA Grant

  • aisleandrowaisleandrow singapore
    Posts: 422Member
    Joined: Sep 29, 2016
    @aron1986 wala namang confirmation e-mail sa eoi. gusto mo ba mgcheck kung tama nalagay mo na details?

    ANZCODE General Accountant
    May 23, 2016 - PTE Exam (L:85,R:81,S:76,W:86)
    Sept 1, 2016 - IPA Qualification Assessment
    Nov 22, 2016 - IPA Skills Assessment (9yrs work experience
    Nov 22, 2016 - EOI Lodge (189-70points)
    Dec 8, 2016 - EOI Lodge (190 NSW - 75points)
    Jan 24, 2016 - PTE Exam (L:84,R:78,S:77,W:76)
    Apr 5, 2017 - PTE Exam (the 8th time) L:85;R:84;S:80;W:79)
    Apr 7, 2017 EOI updated to 80points
    Invitation Date NSW 190: May 5, 2017
    SS NSW Approved: May 12, 2017
    Visa Lodge Date: June 5, 2017
    CO Contact: June 20, 2017
    Grant: September 13, 2017

    PTE Tips!
    http://pinoyau.info/discussion/comment/238268/#Comment_238268

  • JulieAnnConsolacionJulieAnnConsolacion Philippines
    Posts: 7Member
    Joined: Oct 04, 2016
    Hi guys! Who's from UST here and has a copy of the syllabus? Pwede pong makahingi? Nagsubmit kasi ako ng course description lang basing on previous comments from some people in this thread na positive assessment naman sila. But unfortunately, CPAA is asking for the syllabus.

    Please send me a copy at [email protected]. Thanks!
  • aron1986aron1986 Philippines
    Posts: 26Member
    Joined: Mar 27, 2017
    @aisleandrow aah hnd naman naninugurado lang sana na submitted tlaga

    09/03/17 PTE-Academic 1st take (L-79 S-90 R-90 W-84)
    23/03/17 Submitted CPAA Migration Assessment Accountant (General)
    08/04/17 Positive CPAA assessment (work>5 years)
    08/04/17 Submitted EOI 189 (Total points = 75)
    12/07/17 ITA received
    17/07/17 Medicals Completed
    18/07/17 VISA Application Lodged
    28/17/17 All requirements uploaded
    18/10/17 VISA Grant

  • jerm_au16jerm_au16 Singapore
    Posts: 197Member
    Joined: Oct 20, 2016
    may mga ininvite pa po ba ang NSW lately for 22111?

    221111 Accountant (General)

    23.09.2016 - visited Sydney & Melbourne
    (decided to pursue migration plans)
    19.12.2016 - PTE-A Exam - Scores Cancelled
    14.03.2017 - PTE-A Exam - L87 R88 S87 W90
    13.04.2017 – CPAA Assessment (Positive, but deducted 2 yrs in experience)
    13.04.2017 – Submitted EOI (189 – 75 pts / 190 (NSW) – 80 pts)
    25.05.2017 - Received NSW ITA
    26.05.2017 - Lodged nomination
    31.05.2017 - Approved NSW SS
    03.06.2017 - Medical @ Point Medical Paragon
    24.06.2017 - Repeat Medical (3x found blood in urine)
    05.07.2017 - SG COC
    08.07.2017 - 190 Visa Lodged
    14.09.2017 - Direct Grant Visa 190

    xx.xx.2017 - excited for DG!!!!

  • jhun2384jhun2384 Manila Philippines
    Posts: 155Member
    Joined: Sep 22, 2016
    bukas ba ung next invite?
  • jerm_au16jerm_au16 Singapore
    Posts: 197Member
    Joined: Oct 20, 2016
    @jhun2384 yes po, for visa 189

    221111 Accountant (General)

    23.09.2016 - visited Sydney & Melbourne
    (decided to pursue migration plans)
    19.12.2016 - PTE-A Exam - Scores Cancelled
    14.03.2017 - PTE-A Exam - L87 R88 S87 W90
    13.04.2017 – CPAA Assessment (Positive, but deducted 2 yrs in experience)
    13.04.2017 – Submitted EOI (189 – 75 pts / 190 (NSW) – 80 pts)
    25.05.2017 - Received NSW ITA
    26.05.2017 - Lodged nomination
    31.05.2017 - Approved NSW SS
    03.06.2017 - Medical @ Point Medical Paragon
    24.06.2017 - Repeat Medical (3x found blood in urine)
    05.07.2017 - SG COC
    08.07.2017 - 190 Visa Lodged
    14.09.2017 - Direct Grant Visa 190

    xx.xx.2017 - excited for DG!!!!

  • misterVmisterV Sydney, NSW
    Posts: 300Member
    Joined: Oct 03, 2016
    Hi guys, internal audit ako and vetassess yung nag assess sakin. Balak ko rin kasing magpamember sa CPAA and enroll dun sa CPA program nila. Ang concern ko lang e kung icoconsider pa rin ba nila yung experience ko sa internal audit para masatisfy yung 36 months work experience requirement? 20 months lang kasi yung experience ko sa external audit. Salamat!

    221214 Internal Auditor : 190 - 70 pts (Age:30/Educ:15/PTE:20/SS:5)

    04 Nov 2016 - Submitted documents for skill assessment
    21 Dec 2016 - Received result of assessment : Positive
    30 Jan 2017 - PTE A Exam : L90/R90/S90/W90
    31 Jan 2017 - Lodge EOI : Subclass 190 (NSW) - 70pts
    09 Feb 2017 - Received ITA from NSW / Submitted required documents
    14 Mar 2017 - NSW nomination approved /ITA 190 Received
    20 Mar 2017 - Medicals at Nationwide Makati
    22 Mar 2017 - Lodged Application / Frontloaded all documents
    11 Apr 2017 - Direct Grant / IED - Feb 2018
    03 Jun 2017 - Big Move

  • jhun2384jhun2384 Manila Philippines
    Posts: 155Member
    Joined: Sep 22, 2016
    may naka receive na ba ng invite?
  • jhun2384jhun2384 Manila Philippines
    Posts: 155Member
    Joined: Sep 22, 2016
    ceiling na ba ang Accountants?
  • batmanbatman Darwin Australia
    Posts: 3,520Member, Moderator
    Joined: Oct 04, 2011
    @aron1986 189 visa lang ang sa EOI mo?

    221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
    21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
    31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
    01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
    20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
    - collating requirements for NT SS application
    18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
    24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
    - was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
    - engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
    26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
    02|05|18 - PCC processing
    20|05|18 - Medical
    06|06|18 - Visa payment
    15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
    09|02|19 - Big move
    11|02|19 - First job interview
    12|02|19 - Received a job offer
    13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
    13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
    16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
    01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
    10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
    June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
    Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
    June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
    Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
    Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
    June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
    July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home

  • jhun2384jhun2384 Manila Philippines
    Posts: 155Member
    Joined: Sep 22, 2016
    edited April 2017
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  • batmanbatman Darwin Australia
    Posts: 3,520Member, Moderator
    Joined: Oct 04, 2011
    misterV said:

    Hi guys, internal audit ako and vetassess yung nag assess sakin. Balak ko rin kasing magpamember sa CPAA and enroll dun sa CPA program nila. Ang concern ko lang e kung icoconsider pa rin ba nila yung experience ko sa internal audit para masatisfy yung 36 months work experience requirement? 20 months lang kasi yung experience ko sa external audit. Salamat!

    @misterV pede ka nmn mag pa member kahit di pa enough ang work experience mo. at pede ka din mag exam. CPA ka ba sa pinas. meron sila pathways for membership.

    221213 External Auditor|489 - 70pts - SS NT
    21|07|16 - Applied CPAA membership assessment
    31|07|16 - PTE-A L|S|W|R (73|79|78|77)
    01|08|16 - Submitted CPAA migration assessment
    20|09|17 - EOI 190 - NT (delayed due to show money req.)
    - collating requirements for NT SS application
    18|10|17 - Submitted NT SS application (praying for + result)
    24|04|18 - 190 not successful,
    - was offered 489 instead and accepted the offer
    - engaged with visa consort agency for visa application submission.
    26|04|18 - Invited to apply for SS visa 489 - Northern Territory
    02|05|18 - PCC processing
    20|05|18 - Medical
    06|06|18 - Visa payment
    15|09|18 - happy na birthday pa, visa grant pa.. TYL
    09|02|19 - Big move
    11|02|19 - First job interview
    12|02|19 - Received a job offer
    13|02|19 - Accepted job offer
    13|08|19 - Accepted a new job offer - new employer
    16|10|20 - Started new job - a better opportunity
    01|01|21 - Started CPA Australia qualification
    10|02|21 - Lodged 887 visa application
    June 2021 - First CPA subject passed
    Nov 2021 - 2nd CPA Subject passed
    June 2022 - 3rd and 4th CPA subject passed
    Nov 2022 - 5th subject passed (failed the other one)
    Feb 2023 - PR visa granted
    June 2023 - Officially a CPA Australia member.
    July 2023 - Purchased a land where to build our home

  • misterVmisterV Sydney, NSW
    Posts: 300Member
    Joined: Oct 03, 2016
    @batman Yup, CPA ako dito sa pinas. Iniisip ko pa kung CA or CPA. Preferred daw ng firms na CA e so baka yun ipursue ko.

    221214 Internal Auditor : 190 - 70 pts (Age:30/Educ:15/PTE:20/SS:5)

    04 Nov 2016 - Submitted documents for skill assessment
    21 Dec 2016 - Received result of assessment : Positive
    30 Jan 2017 - PTE A Exam : L90/R90/S90/W90
    31 Jan 2017 - Lodge EOI : Subclass 190 (NSW) - 70pts
    09 Feb 2017 - Received ITA from NSW / Submitted required documents
    14 Mar 2017 - NSW nomination approved /ITA 190 Received
    20 Mar 2017 - Medicals at Nationwide Makati
    22 Mar 2017 - Lodged Application / Frontloaded all documents
    11 Apr 2017 - Direct Grant / IED - Feb 2018
    03 Jun 2017 - Big Move

  • aron1986aron1986 Philippines
    Posts: 26Member
    Joined: Mar 27, 2017
    @batman yes po 189 lang. ceiling na ata accountants sa july na ulit sila mag invite. intayin ko nalng invite ng 189 kesa mag 190, hnd kasi part ng ninonominate ng VIC ang accountant.

    09/03/17 PTE-Academic 1st take (L-79 S-90 R-90 W-84)
    23/03/17 Submitted CPAA Migration Assessment Accountant (General)
    08/04/17 Positive CPAA assessment (work>5 years)
    08/04/17 Submitted EOI 189 (Total points = 75)
    12/07/17 ITA received
    17/07/17 Medicals Completed
    18/07/17 VISA Application Lodged
    28/17/17 All requirements uploaded
    18/10/17 VISA Grant

  • jerm_au16jerm_au16 Singapore
    Posts: 197Member
    Joined: Oct 20, 2016
    Just received my cpaa assessment pero Sayang nalate xa ng isang araw.

    I hold a degree in financial management, hnd po aq CPA and didnt take any exam pero thank God positive assessment ng CPAA.
    So s mga hnd dn po CPA jn, u can try ur luck :)

    221111 Accountant (General)

    23.09.2016 - visited Sydney & Melbourne
    (decided to pursue migration plans)
    19.12.2016 - PTE-A Exam - Scores Cancelled
    14.03.2017 - PTE-A Exam - L87 R88 S87 W90
    13.04.2017 – CPAA Assessment (Positive, but deducted 2 yrs in experience)
    13.04.2017 – Submitted EOI (189 – 75 pts / 190 (NSW) – 80 pts)
    25.05.2017 - Received NSW ITA
    26.05.2017 - Lodged nomination
    31.05.2017 - Approved NSW SS
    03.06.2017 - Medical @ Point Medical Paragon
    24.06.2017 - Repeat Medical (3x found blood in urine)
    05.07.2017 - SG COC
    08.07.2017 - 190 Visa Lodged
    14.09.2017 - Direct Grant Visa 190

    xx.xx.2017 - excited for DG!!!!

  • budz_pinoybudz_pinoy Singapore
    Posts: 3Member
    Joined: Mar 26, 2012
    kelan po kaya labas ng SOL for 2017-18? :-? sana kasama pa rin ang 221111 :)
  • jhun2384jhun2384 Manila Philippines
    Posts: 155Member
    Joined: Sep 22, 2016
    @jerm_au16. 75 pts din ba 189 mo? Apr 2 ako nag update mg eoi ko 75 pts pero wala pa ako invitation. i think may naka una. na dun sa 8 remaining slots after mar 29.
  • jerm_au16jerm_au16 Singapore
    Posts: 197Member
    Joined: Oct 20, 2016
    edited April 2017
    @jhun2384 uu 75 dn ako. kaso kakasubmit ko lng ng eoi. hehehe... ngaung umaga ko lng narecv ung result. I think so too, pero meron dn ung times n nag oover invite cla. I'm eyeing now for 190. hopefully kahit dun makarecv ng ITA

    221111 Accountant (General)

    23.09.2016 - visited Sydney & Melbourne
    (decided to pursue migration plans)
    19.12.2016 - PTE-A Exam - Scores Cancelled
    14.03.2017 - PTE-A Exam - L87 R88 S87 W90
    13.04.2017 – CPAA Assessment (Positive, but deducted 2 yrs in experience)
    13.04.2017 – Submitted EOI (189 – 75 pts / 190 (NSW) – 80 pts)
    25.05.2017 - Received NSW ITA
    26.05.2017 - Lodged nomination
    31.05.2017 - Approved NSW SS
    03.06.2017 - Medical @ Point Medical Paragon
    24.06.2017 - Repeat Medical (3x found blood in urine)
    05.07.2017 - SG COC
    08.07.2017 - 190 Visa Lodged
    14.09.2017 - Direct Grant Visa 190

    xx.xx.2017 - excited for DG!!!!

  • Kris_NewKris_New Downtheroad
    Posts: 120Member
    Joined: Jul 07, 2016
    kamusta fellow accountants. Sana mkapasok kayo sa last 8 :) or was it filled na bha? goodluck sa lahat.

    Nominated Occupation: General Accountant 189

    22 July 2016 - PTE Take 1 (L-78, R-79, S-83, W-87)
    11 Aug 2016 - Associate Member CPAA
    09 Sept 2016 - CPAA positive assessment
    15 Sept 2016 - EOI submitted 189 - 65 pts; 190- 70 pts
    31 Dec 2016 - PTE Take 2 (L-90, R-84, S-88, W-90)
    31 Dec 2016 - EOI submitted 189 - 75 pts
    03 Jan 2017 - ITA received
    16 Jan 2017 - NBI Clearance and SG COC Done
    18 Jan 2017 - Medicals Cleared
    23 Jan 2017 - Visa Lodge
    14 Feb 2017 - Direct Grant :) (God is Good!)
    16 Mar 2017 - Permanent Job Accountant :)

  • jerm_au16jerm_au16 Singapore
    Posts: 197Member
    Joined: Oct 20, 2016
    @Diana__Jane hi po. nakarecv n po b kau ng invitation from NSW?

    221111 Accountant (General)

    23.09.2016 - visited Sydney & Melbourne
    (decided to pursue migration plans)
    19.12.2016 - PTE-A Exam - Scores Cancelled
    14.03.2017 - PTE-A Exam - L87 R88 S87 W90
    13.04.2017 – CPAA Assessment (Positive, but deducted 2 yrs in experience)
    13.04.2017 – Submitted EOI (189 – 75 pts / 190 (NSW) – 80 pts)
    25.05.2017 - Received NSW ITA
    26.05.2017 - Lodged nomination
    31.05.2017 - Approved NSW SS
    03.06.2017 - Medical @ Point Medical Paragon
    24.06.2017 - Repeat Medical (3x found blood in urine)
    05.07.2017 - SG COC
    08.07.2017 - 190 Visa Lodged
    14.09.2017 - Direct Grant Visa 190

    xx.xx.2017 - excited for DG!!!!

  • aron1986aron1986 Philippines
    Posts: 26Member
    Joined: Mar 27, 2017
    221111 is closed. Next invite is on July if it remains in SOL (80% chance of it remaining in SOL)

    09/03/17 PTE-Academic 1st take (L-79 S-90 R-90 W-84)
    23/03/17 Submitted CPAA Migration Assessment Accountant (General)
    08/04/17 Positive CPAA assessment (work>5 years)
    08/04/17 Submitted EOI 189 (Total points = 75)
    12/07/17 ITA received
    17/07/17 Medicals Completed
    18/07/17 VISA Application Lodged
    28/17/17 All requirements uploaded
    18/10/17 VISA Grant

  • jerm_au16jerm_au16 Singapore
    Posts: 197Member
    Joined: Oct 20, 2016
    @aron1986 hopefully. :)

    221111 Accountant (General)

    23.09.2016 - visited Sydney & Melbourne
    (decided to pursue migration plans)
    19.12.2016 - PTE-A Exam - Scores Cancelled
    14.03.2017 - PTE-A Exam - L87 R88 S87 W90
    13.04.2017 – CPAA Assessment (Positive, but deducted 2 yrs in experience)
    13.04.2017 – Submitted EOI (189 – 75 pts / 190 (NSW) – 80 pts)
    25.05.2017 - Received NSW ITA
    26.05.2017 - Lodged nomination
    31.05.2017 - Approved NSW SS
    03.06.2017 - Medical @ Point Medical Paragon
    24.06.2017 - Repeat Medical (3x found blood in urine)
    05.07.2017 - SG COC
    08.07.2017 - 190 Visa Lodged
    14.09.2017 - Direct Grant Visa 190

    xx.xx.2017 - excited for DG!!!!

  • jhun2384jhun2384 Manila Philippines
    Posts: 155Member
    Joined: Sep 22, 2016
    @aron san ko sya makikita na closed na?
  • evievaskevievask Manila PH
    Posts: 35Member
    Joined: Apr 02, 2017
    edited April 2017
    @jerm_au16 hello! was told also na kahit nonacctg/non cpa degree pwede iclassify role under Acctant grp. Fin planning analyst kasi husband ko and he will request for assessment next month. kaya lang looking at the core knowledge areas, it seems may mga lacking sya subjects because Econ ang course nya sa Section 1 univ. Do u think he will be assessed positively if he is asked to sit foundation exams? What happens to his extensive work experience after his Bachelors Degree then? thank u in advance sa insights.
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