Australian Computer Society Skills Application

itchan · January 2012

@heyits7me_mags

Kelan ka nagpaasses? I read sa ibang forums na some people were able to request for an updated skills assessment para masama yung equivalent to AQF.

I'm guessing this is a new thing July 2011 onwards dahil sa changes sa DIAC rules for 2011 so if narequest mo sya after July 2011, then I guess pwede pa ipabago. But there is no harm in trying. Email mo lang yung dating CO mo for ACS, who knows, baka palitan.

heyits7me_mags · January 2012

@heyits7me_mags

Kelan ka nagpaasses? I read sa ibang forums na some people were able to request for an updated skills assessment para masama yung equivalent to AQF.

I'm guessing this is a new thing July 2011 onwards dahil sa changes sa DIAC rules for 2011 so if narequest mo sya after July 2011, then I guess pwede pa ipabago. But there is no harm in trying. Email mo lang yung dating CO mo for ACS, who knows, baka palitan.

@itchan, May 2011 na release yung result namin, eh. Na try ko na email yung CO namin mga August 2011 pa pero walang reply, alam mo ba kung kanino pwede i-address yung request of AQF? baka kasi kaya walang reply dahil under contract lang mga CO sa ACS..wala na kasi sa ACS ang CO namin eh.

nono · January 2012

Hi Sir/Maam. Im drafting my COE Duties and responsibilities ngayon. Question lang about sa rewording nung sa ANZSCO to align with my work tasks. Pa check naman po if tama ginagawa ko. Few Samples lang. Sa Re-worded ko yan din talaga ginagawa ko sa trabaho.

ANZSCO WORDINGS for Systems Analyst:
Task:
1.creating user and training documentation, and conducting formal training classes
2.taking responsibility for deploying functional solutions, such as creating, adopting and implementing system test plans, which ensure acceptable quality and integrity of the system

Reworded for my Ref. Letter:
1. Creates user manual/documentation of client specific applications for training purposes and user references
2. Responsible in proposing, planning, testing and implementing systems solutions to ensure that the computing requirements of both the company and the client are met.

Hope to see your inputs soon.. Thanks Guys.. God Bless

heyits7me_mags · January 2012

Have tried once again to send email to ACS about claiming 5 points in Educational Qualification. I hope for this time they won't ignore our request considering we belong to those applicant who got the assessment of PIM 3, Grp. A having my husbands school in section 2. :-S

heyits7me_mags · January 2012

Meron ng reply ang ACS kaya lang sabi mag apply raw ulet kami ng new skills assessment application to review, parang re application eto at meron ulet fee para lang i-indicate yung kelangan naming 5pts. na PIM 3, Grp. A ay comparable to AQF-Australian Qualification Framework...haays!

katlin924 · January 2012

naku, ang hassle naman nyan @heyits7me_mags, nde pala pwedeng makuha ung 5pts kahit sinabi nyo yung reason.

hotshot · January 2012

sorry for being clueless about this pero ano po ba yung extra 5 points for qualifications? akala ko po kasi basta may bachelors degree ka e automatic 15 pts ka na. so pwede pa makakuha ng extra 5 points?

heyits7me_mags · January 2012

sorry for being clueless about this pero ano po ba yung extra 5 points for qualifications? akala ko po kasi basta may bachelors degree ka e automatic 15 pts ka na. so pwede pa makakuha ng extra 5 points?

Pag ang school mo ay nasa section 2 or 3 hindi malinaw na makuha mo ang 15pts. para sa Educ. Qualification ang sure lang na 15pts. ang makukuha nyan ay yung mga school na nasa section 1. Yung school kasi ng hubby ko ay section 2 kaya assumed na namin ang 10pts. unless sa skills assessment mo ay may nakalagay na comparable to AQF-Australian Qualification Framework mabibigyan ka ng 15pts. Eto yung sa ACS skills assessment ha, hindi ko lang alam sa ibang assessing body. Si ACS kasi kahit nakalagay na sa point system at nauna na ang DIAC na...

"To claim points for a qualification obtained overseas, the qualification will need to be recognised as being of a standard comparable to the relevant Australian level qualification. Generally, applicants will be able to request an opinion on their qualification claims from the relevant assessing authority when seeking their skills assessment. For further information about this process, applicants should contact the relevant assessing authority.

huli na sila nag indicate ng AQF comparable ka pala pag ang assessment ay PIM 3, Grp. A.

heyits7me_mags · January 2012

sorry for being clueless about this pero ano po ba yung extra 5 points for qualifications? akala ko po kasi basta may bachelors degree ka e automatic 15 pts ka na. so pwede pa makakuha ng extra 5 points?
Pag ang school mo ay nasa section 2 or 3 hindi malinaw na makuha mo ang 15pts. para sa Educ. Qualification ang sure lang na 15pts. ang makukuha nyan ay yung mga school na nasa section 1. Yung school kasi ng hubby ko ay section 2 kaya assumed na namin ang 10pts. unless sa skills assessment mo ay may nakalagay na comparable to AQF-Australian Qualification Framework mabibigyan ka ng 15pts. Eto yung sa ACS skills assessment ha, hindi ko lang alam sa ibang assessing body. Si ACS kasi kahit nakalagay na sa point system at nauna na ang DIAC na...

"To claim points for a qualification obtained overseas, the qualification will need to be recognised as being of a standard comparable to the relevant Australian level qualification. Generally, applicants will be able to request an opinion on their qualification claims from the relevant assessing authority when seeking their skills assessment. For further information about this process, applicants should contact the relevant assessing authority.

huli na sila nag indicate ng AQF comparable ka pala pag ang assessment ay PIM 3, Grp. A.

@katlin 924, dapat nga review na lang ang gawin nila hindi na new skills assessment, yun lang nman kelangan namin eh para makuha namin ang 15pts.

Bryann · January 2012

Whoa talaga pag nakalagay AQF comparable = 15pts sa DIAC? Akala ko AQF = Diploma, so 10pts. Wow, okay ito kung ganun. Meron nakalagay sakin AQF comparable eh. 1st week of Dec ako last year nagpa-assess.

itchan · January 2012

@Bryann

AQF is Australian Qualifications Framework. Eto yung hierarchy ng educational attainment sa australia. So dapat comparable ka sa bachelor's degree in australia which is a level 7 attainment (if im not mistaken) sa AQF.

itchan · January 2012

@Heyits7me: bummer naman yun at new application pa...

Anyhow, wala pa atang naprocess na July 2011 applications so hindi pa rin ata sure na maawardan ka ng 15 pts kahit sabihin ng ACS na comparable to Bachelors sa AQF yung school mo kung sa CEP e section 2 yung school.

Medyo ambiguous kasi yung disclaimer ng ACS saying DIAC reserves the right to validate and issue appropriate points sa application mo (since hindi ma-vouch ng ACS ung authenticity ng nisubmit na docs)kung work experience lang ba yun iavalidate ng DIAC or kasama pa yung educational attainment kahit sinabi na ng ACS na comparable ka..

Ang di ko lang alam (na baka issue a) is kung narrsearch mo ba kung okay lang sa DIAC na walang nakalagay na comparable to whatnot yung assessment mo? Kasi sabi nga sa DIAC website dapat naassess ng appropriate assessing body (ACS on our case) un educ qualifications mo d b? So baka kelangan mo pa din talaga magpa-certify ulet? (haka haka ko lang to)

nono · January 2012

Di yata napansin yung question ko .. Anyway Question na lang ulit.. Dapat ba pareho yung duties and responsibilities mo sa reference letter at Resume? I mean exact words or kailangan ko din i reword basta aligned? Thanks..

itchan · January 2012

@nono

not really. What I did was yung declaratuon of R&R whatnot ko e may headers perR&R that i did over te years. Eto yung pina affidavit ko... Yung reference letter naman, may standard letter lang ako na pinasign sa appropriate people saying 'i am aligned with what itchan is claiming on the follwing secrions of his declaration - then paste headers nung section na pinapa vouch mo sa pipirmahan na doc nung person na yun... Di ko na pinaaffidavit tong ganto ko

heyits7me_mags · January 2012

@itchan, @Bryann, baka kahit magpa new assessment pa eh ganun din 10pts. pa rin ang makuha dahil diploma nga lang ang equivalent. Hmmm, makapag isip isip nga muna.

kasi baka gumastos lang bale wala rin.

Bryann · January 2012

@heyits7me_mags
Yeah katakot yun gastos eh, malaking amount din un.

@nono
Not necessarily. Sa ACS ginawa ko yun reference letter since ako gumawa, in detail talaga siya. Like main duties and responsibilities, technologies and tools used, # of peeps sa team. And then yun CV ko is parang supplement lang, summarized na siya nilagay ko lang companies I've worked for, the duration of my employment, tapos position. Yun lang. Kaya 1 page lang CV ko.

sipareko · January 2012

mga kapatid... if ung skills assessment result contained the text:
".... has been assessed as comparable to an AQF Bachelor Degree with a major in computing"

does this guarantee you 15pts o hindi?

thanks!

Bryann · January 2012

I guess oo. Kasi sinasabi ng ACS comparable un kurso mo sa Australian degree. Ako naman baka 10pts lang, kasi nakasulat AQF Diploma with a major in computing.

sipareko · January 2012

^^ @Bryann
Thanks!

itchan · January 2012

Medyo nakakalito lang yung ending clause ng skills assessment that says (non-verbatim):

"Please note that the DIAC reserves the right to undertake further investigation regarding your skilled employment experience.

While ACS is authorised to assess ICT skills, the final decision of awarding points remains with DIAC.

This assessment is based on the documents provided and by issuing this letter, ACS makes no representation regarding:
1. authenticity of documents
2. suitability for migration of the applicant"

So sa part na yan ang question is

Final na ba ang educational qualification na binigay ng ACS, then ang ireview lang ng DIAC is yung skills assessment or both Educational Qualification ba and Skills Assessment e kelangang ireview pa ni DIAC?

If the latter is the case, then hindi pa rin sure siguro ang mga section 2-3 schools na inassess ng ACS to have a comparable bachelor's degree sa AQF (like me)...

Yun... Here's hoping na final na ang qualification decision ng ACS though, kasi nakapagsubmit na ako at sayang naman ang almost 3K AUD bwahahah!

sipareko · January 2012

@itchan keep the faith. kuha yan sa 65!

katlin924 · January 2012

yup, keep the faith. kaya nating lahat yan!

heyits7me_mags · January 2012

Medyo nakakalito lang yung ending clause ng skills assessment that says (non-verbatim):

"Please note that the DIAC reserves the right to undertake further investigation regarding your skilled employment experience.

While ACS is authorised to assess ICT skills, the final decision of awarding points remains with DIAC.

This assessment is based on the documents provided and by issuing this letter, ACS makes no representation regarding:
1. authenticity of documents
2. suitability for migration of the applicant"

So sa part na yan ang question is

Final na ba ang educational qualification na binigay ng ACS, then ang ireview lang ng DIAC is yung skills assessment or both Educational Qualification ba and Skills Assessment e kelangang ireview pa ni DIAC?

If the latter is the case, then hindi pa rin sure siguro ang mga section 2-3 schools na inassess ng ACS to have a comparable bachelor's degree sa AQF (like me)...

Yun... Here's hoping na final na ang qualification decision ng ACS though, kasi nakapagsubmit na ako at sayang naman ang almost 3K AUD bwahahah!

Naku! itchan, sana nga...labo nila no!? at pag na grant ka, damay na kami kasi gagaya kami sayo.

itchan · January 2012

waitiinnnggg.... :-w hahahah!

nono · February 2012

Thanks for the info @itchan and @Bryann. Eto pala Sample ko pwede na ba to?

ANZSCO Systems Analyst Task:
• acting as a central reference and information source, providing guidance and assistance in the system project decision making process

From My reference letter:
• Provide analysis, review, technical guidance and support to assist in the decision making process during project or change management implementation

From My Resume:
• Provide information and guidance to I.T team to assist in the development of solutions to system issues and projects.

Anong details ang kailangan ko? Ang pag kakaintindi ko kasi is aligned ang resume and reference letter sa task sa ANZSCO wording.

Bryann · February 2012

@nono
Yup ganun din ginawa ko. Medyo pinattern ko sa description ng ANZSCO nominated skill ko yun mga ginawa ko supporting docs, para makita nila na related yun mga work experiences ko dun.

nono · February 2012

@Bryann Thank Sir. Bakit kaya ganon ayaw padin tanggapin nang agent ko ang ginawa ko na reference letter. Aligned naman yung tatlo..ang hirap pala talaga nito.. Nakakatamad na..napagastos na tuloy ako nang malaki..

tootzkie · February 2012

Thanks for the info @itchan and @Bryann. Eto pala Sample ko pwede na ba to?

ANZSCO Systems Analyst Task:
• acting as a central reference and information source, providing guidance and assistance in the system project decision making process

From My reference letter:
• Provide analysis, review, technical guidance and support to assist in the decision making process during project or change management implementation

From My Resume:
• Provide information and guidance to I.T team to assist in the development of solutions to system issues and projects.

Anong details ang kailangan ko? Ang pag kakaintindi ko kasi is aligned ang resume and reference letter sa task sa ANZSCO wording.

Job duties and responsibilities should be specific.

What kind of assistance?
what kind of guidance?
what analysis?
what review?

Download ka ng sample duties ng Systems Analyst sa web baka sakaling makatulong, sayo. Cheers.

Bryann · February 2012

@nono
Maybe this can help.

http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/occupations/s/systems-analyst.htm

nono · February 2012

Thanks @tootzke. Ganon pala talaga dapat ka detailed. Kaso nga lang di naman pwede i disclose ang ibang details. Pero I'll try my best.

@Bryann medyo nabasa ko na yan kala ko nga align lang talaga pero kailangan pala detailed which is tama naman. kasi nga di naman ako nag aapply nang trabaho kundi nag papa assess.
Feb. 18 din pala ang retake mo.. Ako din sir BC din..

Thanks ulit mga Brod..