Dual Citizenship - Philippines and Australian

vhoythoy

kapag dual citizen ka ba dalawa hawak mong passport pinas/au or isa lang?

if afford mo dalawa passport go...

naconfused kasi ako di pa ako nakakita personal ng dual citizen passports. alam ko dati dalawa passports mo so pipili ka lang ano gusto mo pakita sa immigration. tapos sabi ng hausmates ko naman, isang passport lang daw allowed so kung dual citizen ka either pipili ka lang ng passport na hold mo au/pinas tapos lalagyan nalang ng sticker or tatakan nalang na citizen ka din ng pinas/au parang ganun

wizardofOz

@vhoythoy yun dinang alam ko, if you are a citizen of any country(ies), each country can independently issue you a passport.

Example you want to go to Brazil, Au passport holders need a visa to go there, but if you are a dual-citizen and you have the passport issued by Ph, you can go there anytime since Ph passport-holders are visa-free going to Brazil..

wizardofOz

Nabanggit ko pala yung Brazil dahil yun yung main reason why I would like to keep my Ph citizenship...

Because I wanna be able to go to Rio de Janeiro whenever I want to hehehehe joke

vhoythoy

ang pangarap kong dual citizen is american/australian or australian/canadian hahaha. unless yata natural born ka sa either bansa na un

manofsteel

Paano po ang SSS claim kung di Dual Citizen? And yun Life Insurance (Save and Protect) ng Sunlife, meron kasi nun si hubby. By the way, di ko pa na google ang question ko :-)
Time to google it. Pero kun may mai-share kayo.
Yun tita ko sa US, SSS pensionnaire sya, di ko lang na ask kun Dual Citizen sya. Time to ask her, good timing, andito sya sa Pinas, bakasyon til August.

Hi @johnvangie, curious ako sa sagot dito. if you choose not to become dual citizen, pano nga yun claim sa SSS? (considering tinutuloy mo pa yun voluntary hulog)

vhoythoy

Kapag retirement age mo na makukuha benefits sa sss kahit maging ibang citizen ka pa. Sa ngaun hindi makukuha mga naihulog

manofsteel

I'm not sure about this pero sa tuwing nauwi kami sa Pinas, nawawala/nababawasan sustento ng anak ko from centrelink... this could also be the case kung wala ka sa OZ at retired ka na, baka nawawala din benefits... but not sure.. sino na retired dyan? umamin kayo, ano experience nyo? hehehe

@icebreaker1928, like anong sustento, yun tax benefits ba?
sa pinas kase kahit wala ka pde ka magclaim nun sa SSS, like pag pregnant pde makaclaim ng extra 30k kahit living ka sa ibang bansa.

rareking

Salamat po sa mga inputs, very informative. Gusto ko lang malaman kung quantifiable ba yung "cost" and "hassle", kung oo, magkano at gaano kahirap? May nabsa akong AUD100.... not sure kung meron pang charges aside from the that?

Salamat. Kitakits.

Imagine the cost and the hassle of owning 2 passport ...

engr_boy

pangarap ko 3 passports. very attainable yung ( Ph, Au, NZ) haha. parang mala-Jason Bourne. kahit sa passport lang. lolz

vhoythoy

pangarap ko 3 passports. very attainable yung ( Ph, Au, NZ) haha. parang mala-Jason Bourne. kahit sa passport lang. lolz

Ako kahit US And Au lang hahaha

sydneysider

Pag dual citizen ka at umuwi ka ng Pinas, in case of emergency, di ka priority ng government of Australia na tulungan dahil citizen ka din dun. Trivia lang - Australian passport is the 6th most powerful passport in the world. Passport holders can travel to 167 countries without a visa.

IslanderndCity

Pag dual citizen ka at umuwi ka ng Pinas, in case of emergency, di ka priority ng government of Australia na tulungan dahil citizen ka din dun. Trivia lang - Australian passport is the 6th most powerful passport in the world. Passport holders can travel to 167 countries without a visa.

">Pag dual citizen ka at umuwi ka ng Pinas, in case of emergency, di ka priority ng government of Australia na tulungan dahil citizen ka din dun" <--------- is this true?

vhoythoy

i am not anymore interested with dual philippines and australia. Posible kaya dual citizen american/ australian or canadian/ australian? hehehe

Andoy31

Pag dual citizen ka at umuwi ka ng Pinas, in case of emergency, di ka priority ng government of Australia na tulungan dahil citizen ka din dun. Trivia lang - Australian passport is the 6th most powerful passport in the world. Passport holders can travel to 167 countries without a visa.

">Pag dual citizen ka at umuwi ka ng Pinas, in case of emergency, di ka priority ng government of Australia na tulungan dahil citizen ka din dun" <--------- is this true?</p>

medyo ibang version ang narinig ko -- if mawala ka in some other countries, di ka priority or di ka hahanapin ng australia at ang expectation ay uing original country mo ang may responsibilidad sa yo...

anyone can help to clarify?

vhoythoy

May mapupuntahan ba ung pinas passport na hindi visa free ang australian passport?

Ano-anong bansa ang visa free ang passport na gaya ng #1 best passport UK/ #3-4 Canada/US na hindi ang australian passport?

Curious ako sa mga to.

wizardofOz

@vhoythoy Brazil -- No Visa required for PH Passport-holders, on the other hand Aussie passport-holder needs a visa to enter Brazil..

pinoykiwi_inOZ

Australian and Kiwi kami. Ito lang ang nakikita kong advantage sa amin... Sa NZ wala capital gains tax so when we sell properties buong buo yung profit namin. Not sure about accessing double super after retirement because we have super here in OZ and kiwisaver in NZ. Ok rin kasi lagi akong pinadadala ng office sa EU and US any passport I present wala visa. In the airport we don't need to queue, just go straight to the biometric scanner and passport scanner.

vhoythoy

Australian and Kiwi kami. Ito lang ang nakikita kong advantage sa amin... Sa NZ wala capital gains tax so when we sell properties buong buo yung profit namin. Not sure about accessing double super after retirement because we have super here in OZ and kiwisaver in NZ. Ok rin kasi lagi akong pinadadala ng office sa EU and US any passport I present wala visa. In the airport we don't need to queue, just go straight to the biometric scanner and passport scanner.

Nalilito pa rin ako dito. Kapag dual citizen ka ba means dalawa hawak mong passport or isang passport lang (pipili ka lang) then may sticker lang ng isa mo pang citizenship? Sabi sa PDOS sa pinas, pwede daw triple citizenship kiwi, aussie at pinas.

Super lang ba ang pagkukunan ng benefits upon retirement sa Australia? Paano kung wife mo habang buhay housewife so walang benefits medicare lang? Dapat kunan ng separate insurance, or kung insurance mo dapat covered sya

sydneysider

@IslanderndCity

I had to google to ensure I posted the correct information. This is the closest I got...

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/02/28/protection-doubts-australian-dual-nationals

"In international law, first of all, each state, each nation, is entitled to regulate its nationality laws within its domestic law. The second point, however, is that once a person who has dual nationality, each country whose passport that person holds is entitled to exercise jurisdiction in respect of that person within and in accordance with their own laws. This raises a problem because once you travel to, let's say, your second country using that country's passport in a way you submit quite easily and quite critically to the country's jurisdiction. What this does is that you are for all practical purposes a citizen of that country."

IslanderndCity

@sydneysider thanks pero as of now, while kulang pa knowledge ko about its cons, and maybe because of kunting investments din sa Pinas na balak namin icontinue pa, I think dual ang path namin. Too early to say this 'though

wizardofOz

@vhoythoy bro as we know kapag citizen ka ng isang bansa (or dalawa kung dual-citizen ka), privilege mo to apply and be issued a passport in that country...

its up to you if you want to apply for both passports.. and enjoy the perks each of those passports offer, "independent" from each other

As far as I know, there's no such thing as a "Sticker" of Country A, stamp on a Country B passport which would indicate your Citizenship status.

Also as we know, when you're in another country, there's not one document you can show to prove your citizenship other than a valid passport issued by a country.

brixx89

Paano po ang SSS claim kung di Dual Citizen? And yun Life Insurance (Save and Protect) ng Sunlife, meron kasi nun si hubby. By the way, di ko pa na google ang question ko :-)
Time to google it. Pero kun may mai-share kayo.
Yun tita ko sa US, SSS pensionnaire sya, di ko lang na ask kun Dual Citizen sya. Time to ask her, good timing, andito sya sa Pinas, bakasyon til August.

Hi @johnvangie, curious ako sa sagot dito. if you choose not to become dual citizen, pano nga yun claim sa SSS? (considering tinutuloy mo pa yun voluntary hulog)

natanong ko na ito sa isang sss rep sa SG, she said kahit na iba na citizenship mo you can still avail the benefit..yung pension mo pwede mo pa din kunin either lumpsum /partial or yung monthly

brixx89

sa mga nag apply na for citizenship may nabanngit na need pa ng prrof ng good character ata yun..just curious lang kung may na hingan na ba nun sa mga nagapply like aside sa COC or NBI clearance uli sincec nasa Aus na naka stay from the residency to citizenship application period?

icebreaker1928

@brixx89 yung katropa ko nirequire ulit ng NBI nung nag apply sya ng citizenship, kasi nagpunta sya sa Oz a week before ng IED nya... so marami pwede nangyari bago sya pumasok sa Oz..

kung pumasok ka 90 days after ng visa grant mo nirerequire ng NBI... parang ganon sabi sa kanya.

pero kahit wala pa 90 days, pwede ka pa rin daw irequire ng NBI ulit, nasa discretion nila.

atchino

May naka pag apply na ba dito ng dual citizenship?


Requirements:
http://www.philembassy.org.au/dual-citizenship/19-requirements9.html

$90 fee / possible to apply via post or go to Canberra

di ba pwede sa Sydney phil embassy?


- May naka pag apply na ba ng dual citizenship?
- Gano katagal ang processing and kailangan ba intayin ang oath taking to get back the fpfilipino citizenship certificate?
- Required ba na pumunta sa Canberra to apply and for the oath taking?


Makaka pag open ba ako ng bank account or investment account like Mutual Fund sa pinas kahit Australian citizen (Not dual citizen) ?

- Required identification is phil passport / phil drivers license (what if expired na Phil passportand drivers license)


Option:
- renew phil passport and drivers license
BUT nationality is Austrlaian - i guess di mo ma rerenew drivers license at phil passport not unless magsisinungnaling ka sa pag fill up ng application form.

brixx89

salamat po sa info

chanchan2727

Its a shame that there are some foreigners that are more Filipino than most of the "Filipinos" here. Nakakalungkot for some, nakatuntong lang ng ibang bansa...Thats why hindi umaasenso ang Philippines because of Filipinos like you. Bato-bato sa langit, tamaan wag magalit.. ; )

Love letter to Filipinos
By David H. Harwell
Philippine Daily Inquirer

I am writing to thank Filipinos for the way you have treated me here, and to pass on a lesson I learned from observing the differences between your culture and mine over the years.

I am an expatriate worker. I refer to myself as an OAW, an overseas American worker, as a bad joke. The work I do involves a lot of traveling and changing locations, and I do it alone, without family. I have been in 21 countries now, not including my own. It was fun at first. Now, many years later, I am getting tired. The Philippines remains my favorite country of all, though, and I’d like to tell you why before I have to go away again.

I have lived for short periods here, traveled here, and have family and friends here. My own family of origin in the United States is like that of many Americans—not much of a family. Americans do not stay very close to their families, geographically or emotionally, and that is a major mistake. I have long been looking for a home and a family, and the Philippines is the only place I have lived where people honestly seem to understand how important their families are.

I am American and hard-headed. I am a teacher, but it takes me a long time to learn some things. But I’ve been trying, and your culture has been patient in trying to teach me.

In the countries where I’ve lived and worked, all over the Middle East and Asia, it is Filipinos who do all the work and make everything happen. When I am working in a new company abroad, I seek out the Filipino staff when I need help getting something done, and done right. Your international reputation as employees is that you work hard, don’t complain, and are very capable. If all the Filipinos were to go home from the Middle East, the world would stop. Oil is the lifeblood of the world, but without Filipinos, the oil will not come from the ground, it will not be loaded onto the ships, and the ships will not sail. The offices that make the deals and collect the payments will not even open in the morning. The schools will not have teachers, and, of course, the hospitals will have no staff.

What I have seen, that many of you have not seen, is how your family members, the ones who are overseas Filipino workers, do not tell you much about how hard their lives actually are. OFWs are very often mistreated in other countries, at work and in their personal lives. You probably have not heard much about how they do all the work but are severely underpaid, because they know that the money they are earning must be sent home to you, who depend on them. The OFWs are very strong people, perhaps the strongest I have ever seen. They have their pictures taken in front of nice shops and locations to post on Facebook so that you won’t worry about them. But every Pinoy I have ever met abroad misses his/her family very, very much.

I often pity those of you who go to America. You see pictures of their houses and cars, but not what it took to get those things. We have nice things, too many things, in America, but we take on an incredible debt to get them, and the debt is lifelong. America’s economy is based on debt. Very rarely is a house, car, nice piece of clothing, electronic appliance, and often even food, paid for. We get them with credit, and this debt will take all of our lifetime to pay. That burden is true for anyone in America—the OFWs, those who are married to Americans, and the Americans themselves.

Most of us allow the American Dream to become the American Trap. Some of you who go there make it back home, but you give up most of your lives before you do. Some of you who go there learn the very bad American habits of wanting too many things in your hands, and the result is that you live only to work, instead of working only to live. The things we own actually own us. That is the great mistake we Americans make in our lives. We live only to work, and we work only to buy more things that we don’t need. We lose our lives in the process.

I have sometimes tried to explain it like this: In America, our hands are full, but our hearts are empty.

You have many problems here, I understand that. Americans worry about having new cars, Filipinos worry about having enough food to eat. That’s an enormous difference. But do not envy us, because we should learn something from you. What I see is that even when your hands are empty, your hearts remain full.

I have many privileges in the countries where I work, because I am an expat. I do not deserve these things, but I have them. However, in every country I visit, I see that you are there also, taking care of your families, friends, bosses, and coworkers first, and yourselves last. And you have always taken care of me, in this country and in every other place where I have been.

These are places where I have been very alone, very tired, very hungry, and very worried, but there have always been Filipinos in my offices, in the shops, in the restaurants, in the hospitals, everywhere, who smile at and take good care of me. I always try to let you know that I have lived and traveled in the Philippines and how much I like your country. I know that behind those smiles of yours, here and abroad, are many worries and problems.

Please know that at least one of us expats has seen what you do for others and understands that you have a story behind your smiles. Know that at least one of us admires you, respects you, and thanks you for your sacrifices. Salamat po. Ingat lagi. Mahal ko kayong lahat.

------
David H. Harwell, PhD, is a former professor and assistant dean in the United States who now travels and works abroad designing language training programs. He is a published author and a son of a retired news editor.

Envy

Wow.

some pinoy doesn't bother getting dual citizenship just because it will be inconvenient for them to process the papers? or they were hesitant to pay for maybe $200 - $300?

tama ba?

sad thing.

TasBurrfoot

Wow.

some pinoy doesn't bother getting dual citizenship just because it will be inconvenient for them to process the papers? or they were hesitant to pay for maybe $200 - $300?

tama ba?

sad thing.

It doesn't matter, apart from owning properties in the Philippines I don't see any advantage to get dual citizen in due time...

Yup, inconvenient to process papers (i.e. pupunta ka pa Canberra or maghintay ng mobil mission) and the fees.

It varies from people to people but I don't see much to gain here.

rareking

Here's the process. Mukha nga syang mahaba pero kakayanin ganum dim sa fees. Saba maging simple pa proseso.

http://www.cfo.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=1362:dual-citizenship&amp;catid=145:integration-and-reintegration&amp;Itemid=833