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  • se29mse29m Perth
    Posts: 2,144Member, Moderator
    Joined: Sep 14, 2015
    @greysworld123
    1. it can be assessed as prof engr or eng tech based on the cdr that you will submit to ea. my suggestion is to submit a cdr for prof engr, usually, they will advise on the outcome if you can be a prof engr or an eng tech. enrure na tailor fit yung coe nyo sa duties and resp na nakalagay sa ea msa handbook
    2. yes, the cdr pathway. Download the ea msa booklet for more info
    3. read through the ea msa booklet
    4. i have no idea

    233211 Civil Engineer
    30/09/15 - VETASSESS Lodged - 133112 Project Builder
    09/10/15 - IELTS Results: L-7.5, R-7.0, W-6.0, S-7.5 OBS-7.0
    19/10/15 - PTE A Results: L-82, R-74, S-90, W-76 OAS-79
    26/11/15 - Obtained NBI Clearance
    09/12/15 - VETASSESS Results - NEGATIVE!!!
    12/01/16 - Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia
    22/01/16 - EA Positive Results - Bachelor's Degree with 4 years 8 months skilled employment
    22/01/16 - Lodged EOI 189 (60pts)
    03/02/16 - Received 189 ITA
    11/02/16 - Health Clearance Provided - No Action Required
    18/02/16 - Obtained SG CoC
    26/02/16 - Lodged 189 Visa
    15/03/16 - Direct Grant - IED 11/02/2017
    25/05/16 - Big Move Perth!
    16/06/16 - Started Casual Work
    11/07/16 - Permanent Full-time Work

    Now for the Citizenship Journey

    26/08/2019 - Applied and acknowledgement letter received
    27/09/2019 - Test Email Invite for 19/12/2019
    01/10/2019 - Actual Test/Interview Date
    01/10/2019 - Approval Date (received the approval letter from the post 11/10/2019)
    05/02/2020 - Ceremony Date (received the email 10/01/2020)

  • phil0711phil0711 Mandaluyong
    Posts: 2Member
    Joined: Apr 24, 2016
    Good day po.
    Ask ko lang po kung may same case as mine, I'm a registered Electronics Engineer in profession but my experience is in Instrumentation and Control Engineer. Pwede po parin kayang i-assess ng EA as Electronics Engineer? Thank You.
  • MrSolitaireMrSolitaire Singapore
    Posts: 5Member
    Joined: Jul 03, 2016
    Hello sa lhat.

    Manghingi po sana ako ng CDR samples mga fellow engrs. Mag susubmit dn po ako sa EA ng CDR right after ko mkakuha ng ielts.

    Anyone kind enough to send me a sample for reference. At pra malaman dn ang format. My email is [email protected]..

    Maraming Salamat po!
  • Captain_ACaptain_A AUSTRALIA
    Posts: 2,179Member, Moderator
    Joined: Jul 04, 2012
    @MrSolitaire sent bro

    18 Mar '16 IELTS Results
    06 Apr '16 EA CDR Skills Assessment submitted
    26 Apr '16 EA Skills Assessment Positive Outcome
    06 May '16 PTE-A Exam
    07 May '16 PTE- A Results & Submitted EOI
    11 May '16 Got ITA
    02 Jun '16 Lodge Visa
    04 Jul '16 Direct Grant

    Believe you can... and you're halfway there.... - Roosevelt

  • MrSolitaireMrSolitaire Singapore
    Posts: 5Member
    Joined: Jul 03, 2016
    @Captain_A thank you!
  • Captain_ACaptain_A AUSTRALIA
    Posts: 2,179Member, Moderator
    Joined: Jul 04, 2012
    @MrSolitaire welcome all the best

    18 Mar '16 IELTS Results
    06 Apr '16 EA CDR Skills Assessment submitted
    26 Apr '16 EA Skills Assessment Positive Outcome
    06 May '16 PTE-A Exam
    07 May '16 PTE- A Results & Submitted EOI
    11 May '16 Got ITA
    02 Jun '16 Lodge Visa
    04 Jul '16 Direct Grant

    Believe you can... and you're halfway there.... - Roosevelt

  • ronpaulronpaul Australia
    Posts: 63Member
    Joined: Feb 16, 2016
    @phil0711 Sir, mukhang same tayo ng case. BS ECE din ako pero working as DCS System engineer sa instrumentation and control. More on software ginagawa ko. Anong job responsibilities mo?
    I'm in the process of generating my CDR now. I think pwede naman na i-assess ng EA as Electronics Engineer depende din sa isusubmit na CDR at may PRC certificate naman tayo . Ang problem nga lang di ko alam kung ichecheck nila kung expired na ang PRC license. di ko na din narenew dahil sa CPD points na need from IECEP.

    ANZSCO 233411 ELECTRONICS ENGINEER (EOI - 75 PTS)

    16|07|2016 - IELTS Exam
    29|07|2016 - IELTS Exam Result (L-7.5, R-8.0, W-6.0, S-7.5)
    06|12|2016 - EA assessment
    11|01|2017 - EA Positive outcome (Electronics Engineer 233411)
    24|05|2017 - PTE-A Exam
    26|05|2017 - PTE-A Result (L-90, R-90, W-90, S-90)
    02|06|2017 - EOI lodged
    12|07|2017 - Received ITA (Visa 189)
    12|07|2017 - E-appeal for SG CoC
    05|08|2017 - Medical at SATA Chai Chee
    10|08|2017 - Medical Cleared - No action required
    11|08|2017 - SG CoC fingerprint and collection
    15|08|2017 - Visa Lodged
    15|09|2017 - Direct Grant
    15|04|2018 - IED
    22|04|2018 - Back to SG
    15|08|2019 - Resigned from work in SG
    06|09|2019 - Skype interview from PH and job offer after the interview
    09|09|2019 - Flight MNL to SYD
    14|09|2019 - Flight SYD to PERTH
    16|09|2019 - First day of work

  • se29mse29m Perth
    Posts: 2,144Member, Moderator
    Joined: Sep 14, 2015
    @ronpaul basta may cert okay na yun.. ako di naman board passer pero nakalusot..

    233211 Civil Engineer
    30/09/15 - VETASSESS Lodged - 133112 Project Builder
    09/10/15 - IELTS Results: L-7.5, R-7.0, W-6.0, S-7.5 OBS-7.0
    19/10/15 - PTE A Results: L-82, R-74, S-90, W-76 OAS-79
    26/11/15 - Obtained NBI Clearance
    09/12/15 - VETASSESS Results - NEGATIVE!!!
    12/01/16 - Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia
    22/01/16 - EA Positive Results - Bachelor's Degree with 4 years 8 months skilled employment
    22/01/16 - Lodged EOI 189 (60pts)
    03/02/16 - Received 189 ITA
    11/02/16 - Health Clearance Provided - No Action Required
    18/02/16 - Obtained SG CoC
    26/02/16 - Lodged 189 Visa
    15/03/16 - Direct Grant - IED 11/02/2017
    25/05/16 - Big Move Perth!
    16/06/16 - Started Casual Work
    11/07/16 - Permanent Full-time Work

    Now for the Citizenship Journey

    26/08/2019 - Applied and acknowledgement letter received
    27/09/2019 - Test Email Invite for 19/12/2019
    01/10/2019 - Actual Test/Interview Date
    01/10/2019 - Approval Date (received the approval letter from the post 11/10/2019)
    05/02/2020 - Ceremony Date (received the email 10/01/2020)

  • ronpaulronpaul Australia
    Posts: 63Member
    Joined: Feb 16, 2016
    @se29m ok.salamat.

    ANZSCO 233411 ELECTRONICS ENGINEER (EOI - 75 PTS)

    16|07|2016 - IELTS Exam
    29|07|2016 - IELTS Exam Result (L-7.5, R-8.0, W-6.0, S-7.5)
    06|12|2016 - EA assessment
    11|01|2017 - EA Positive outcome (Electronics Engineer 233411)
    24|05|2017 - PTE-A Exam
    26|05|2017 - PTE-A Result (L-90, R-90, W-90, S-90)
    02|06|2017 - EOI lodged
    12|07|2017 - Received ITA (Visa 189)
    12|07|2017 - E-appeal for SG CoC
    05|08|2017 - Medical at SATA Chai Chee
    10|08|2017 - Medical Cleared - No action required
    11|08|2017 - SG CoC fingerprint and collection
    15|08|2017 - Visa Lodged
    15|09|2017 - Direct Grant
    15|04|2018 - IED
    22|04|2018 - Back to SG
    15|08|2019 - Resigned from work in SG
    06|09|2019 - Skype interview from PH and job offer after the interview
    09|09|2019 - Flight MNL to SYD
    14|09|2019 - Flight SYD to PERTH
    16|09|2019 - First day of work

  • Leanne01Leanne01 Singapore
    Posts: 1Member
    Joined: Aug 16, 2016
    Hi tanong lang po. Pag nagpa assess ba sa EA, pwede ho ba e submit yung COE na nakuha ko sa company ko last September 2015 pa? ang hirap kasi kumuha ng bago dito sa company namin e. Any related case po? Please share so I can learn from you. Thank you po!
  • liamliam Riyadh
    Posts: 58Member
    Joined: Dec 12, 2015
    Hello fellow engineers, Kailangan parin ba kumuha ng license to work as an Engr in AU considering na na-assess na tau ng EA sa skills assesment?

    ANZSCO 233411: Electronics Engineer
    Aug, 2015 - IELTS GT L6.5 W6.5 R6.5 S6.5
    Mar, 2016 - Submitted EA Assessment fast track
    Apr, 2016 - EA Positive Assessment Result
    Aug, 2016 - IELTS GT L7 W7 R7 S7
    Sep, 2016 - Lodge EOI, 189-65
    Sep, 2016 - ITA Received
    Oct, 7, 2016 - Visa Application Lodged
    Oct, 18, 2016 - CO Contact, request for PCC and Medical
    Nov, 8, 2016 - Uploaded required documents
    Nov, 15 2016 - VISA Grant (the culmination of all the hard work and sacrifices... Thank you Lord....)

  • NinamonicaaaNinamonicaaa Sydney
    Posts: 13Member
    Joined: Feb 26, 2016
    Hi engineers, meron po ba sainyo na student visa ang kinuha? Can you share some of your experiences? Im an ECE grad with more than a year of expi palang kaya di pa option ang skilled sakin. Im planning to take MBA pero di pa makadecide which uni kasi factor din ang tuition. Sana po may makapagshare sainyo ng experiences niyo as a student. Thank you :)
  • JPMaxJPMax Singapore
    Posts: 2Member
    Joined: Apr 03, 2017
    Hi Guys,

    Newbie here. Pashare naman please ng career episode sample.

    ME - HVAC

    Salamat
  • kimpoykimpoy South Australia
    Posts: 202Member
    Joined: Oct 27, 2016
    Good day.

    Magtanong lang po sana ako kung magpapa assess po ako sa Engineers Australia for Education & Work experience. Graduate of BS Electrical Eng'g at electrical draftsman ang naging work ko po for the past 12 years+;

    1. Ano pong gagamitin ko pong CDR (Professional Engineer, Engineering Technologist or Engineering Associate) kung ang nominated occupation ko po is Electrical Engineering Draftsperson (312311). Hoping to claim 15points for Bachelor's Degree.

    2. Paano po kaya ang pag assess nila ng work experience, based po ba sa naging work ko for the last 10years or dapat makaabot ng minimum 8 working experience para sa nominated occupation ko po?

    ANZSCO 312311 | Electrical Engineering Draftsperson |

    29.04.2017 |IELTS GT |LRSWO|6.0/7.0/6.5/6.0|6.5
    05.04.2018 | PTE-A |LRSWO|62/75/64/68|68
    15.04.2018 | Lodged EA Assessment
    31.05.2018 | EA: POSITIVE
    06.07.2018 | Submitted 489 EOI 55+10=65 pts SA
    30.07.2018 | Lodged SA State Nomination Application
    26.10.2018 | ITA Received - 489 (SA)
    06.12.2018 | Lodged Visa 489 application (SA)
    04.06.2019 | Direct Grant
    16.08.2019 | 1st Entry in SA from SG (4 days then returned to work in Singapore)

    2020-2021 | Oz border closure/travel restrictions

    31.12.2021 | Arrived in VIC from the USA
    09.01.2022 | Moved to SA from VIC
    18.02.2022 | Visa489 validity extended by Oz Gov't (due to border closure)
    16.03.2022 | Started work as a hotel housekeeping cleaner
    03.05.2022 | Started work in my nominated occupation
    07.02.2024 | Submitted Application for Visa 887

  • Ric0618Ric0618 Singpore
    Posts: 15Member
    Joined: Apr 10, 2017
    Hi po.

    Good Day po to all. Newbie here.

    Hoping to get Skills Assestment - any idea if PTC(Phil Tech Center) is able to help via WA accord or kelangan CDR? and which path to choose, Eng Professional, Technician or Associate.

    Industrial Engineer with Supply Chain background.

    Thank you po :)
  • meanmulletmeanmullet Philippines
    Posts: 19Member
    Joined: Apr 13, 2017
    Hi all!

    Help, I badly need help with my CDR preparation. Baka may gusto po tumulong at may sample CDR pasend naman po. T_T
    [email protected]
  • girl11girl11 Philippines
    Posts: 3Member
    Joined: Apr 21, 2017
    Hi All,

    I am currently drafting my CDR. Please share samples for Industrial Engineering.

    Thank you!
  • girl11girl11 Philippines
    Posts: 3Member
    Joined: Apr 21, 2017
    Hello @IslanderndCity and @jkk32w I would really appreciate it if you could share sample CDRs for Industrial Engineers.

    My email address is [email protected]

    Thank you! :)
  • corrappyka_CEcorrappyka_CE Makati, Philippines
    Posts: 134Member
    Joined: Feb 06, 2017
    @girl11 I sent an email on sample CDRs I have compiled from some of the members here in the forum for your reference.

    233211 Civil Engineer | Age: 30 pts | English: 20 pts | Qualification: 15 pts | Work Experience: 10 pts | Total: 75 pts

    28 Feb 2017 : Registered for IELTS @ IDP
    24 Mar 2017 : IELTS (GT) S Exam
    25 Mar 2017 : IELTS (GT) LRW Exam
    07 Apr 2017 : IELTS Results - L7.5/R7.5/W6.5/S7.0
    24 Apr 2017 : Lodge EA Assessment (CDR+RSEA)
    29 Jun 2017 : Assessment in-Progress (EA)
    29 Jun 2017 : Awaiting Applicant Response
    29 Jun 2017 : Positive Outcome (233211 Civil Engineer)
    14 Dec 2017 : Change of Status (Single to Married)
    22 Aug 2018 : PTE-A Exam
    23 Aug 2018 : PTE-A Results - L90/R90/W90/S90
    25 Aug 2018 : EOI Lodged 70 pts
    06 Oct 2018 : EOI Auto-updated to 75 pts (Experience Milestone)
    10 Oct 2018 : ITA Received Visa 189
    14 Oct 2018 : Application for E-Appeal (Wife's SG COC)
    16 Oct 2018 : Approval of E-Appeal (Wife's SG COC)
    17 Oct 2018 : Medical Exam of Main Applicant @ Philippines
    22 Oct 2018 : Health Clearance Provided - No further actions Required (Main Applicant)
    07 Nov 2018 : Medical Exam of Dependent @ Singapore
    12 Nov 2018 : Examinations ready for assessment - No further actions required (Secondary Applicant)
    13 Nov 2018 : Additional 603 respiratory investigation for Wife (6 months Treatment)
    04 Dec 2018 : Visa 189 Lodged
    07 Dec 2018 : Passport Renewal
    27 Dec 2018 : SPA + CANA + DFA Authentication for Qatar PCC Application
    05 Jan 2019 : Passport Release
    13 Feb 2019 : End of Sputum Culture Exam for Dependent
    17 Feb 2019 : Qatar Police Clearance release and upload
    05 Mar 2019 : CO Contact requesting for Wife's Medical Exam / GSM Adelaide / Wilson
    07 Jun 2019 : Wife has completed 6-month Treatment
    07 Jun 2019 : Examinations ready for assessment - No further actions required (Secondary Applicant)
    11 Jun 2019 : Additional 601 Sputum culture and smear exam for Wife (6 to 8 Weeks incubation period)
    21 Jun 2019 : Sputum Culture and Smear Exam Sampling @ SATA Bedok SG
    02 Sep 2019 : Sputum Culture and Smear Exam completed
    03 Sep 2019 : Health Clearance Provided - No further actions Required (Secondary Applicant)
    03 Sep 2019 : Feedback (Suggestion) Sent + Emailed CO
    18 Sep 2019 : Feedback (Complain) Sent [Delayed Processing + Expiring Health Assessment]
    25 Sep 2019 : Feedback (Complain) Sent [Delayed Processing + Expiring Police Clearance]
    04 Oct 2019 : Emailed CO [Expired Police Clearance + Frontloaded Form 815]
    16 Dec 2019 : Visa Grant

    07 Jan 2020 : Pre-Departure Orientation Seminar @ CFO Manila
    09 Feb 2020 : Big Move - Melbourne, VIC

  • girl11girl11 Philippines
    Posts: 3Member
    Joined: Apr 21, 2017
  • IsentropicIsentropic Philippines
    Posts: 20Member
    Joined: Jun 03, 2017
    Hi Sir @lester_lugtu , I'm also a Mechanical Engineer and currently a Mall Engineer dito sa Pinas. Nakahanap po ba kayo ng work in line with our field?
  • emilyojemilyoj Pateros, Philippines
    Posts: 6Member
    Joined: Jul 06, 2017
    @corrappyka_CE Hi! can you also send me a copy of CDR for CEs? Thanks a lot!
  • corrappyka_CEcorrappyka_CE Makati, Philippines
    Posts: 134Member
    Joined: Feb 06, 2017
    @emilyoj can you provide your email where we can send the references? thanks!

    233211 Civil Engineer | Age: 30 pts | English: 20 pts | Qualification: 15 pts | Work Experience: 10 pts | Total: 75 pts

    28 Feb 2017 : Registered for IELTS @ IDP
    24 Mar 2017 : IELTS (GT) S Exam
    25 Mar 2017 : IELTS (GT) LRW Exam
    07 Apr 2017 : IELTS Results - L7.5/R7.5/W6.5/S7.0
    24 Apr 2017 : Lodge EA Assessment (CDR+RSEA)
    29 Jun 2017 : Assessment in-Progress (EA)
    29 Jun 2017 : Awaiting Applicant Response
    29 Jun 2017 : Positive Outcome (233211 Civil Engineer)
    14 Dec 2017 : Change of Status (Single to Married)
    22 Aug 2018 : PTE-A Exam
    23 Aug 2018 : PTE-A Results - L90/R90/W90/S90
    25 Aug 2018 : EOI Lodged 70 pts
    06 Oct 2018 : EOI Auto-updated to 75 pts (Experience Milestone)
    10 Oct 2018 : ITA Received Visa 189
    14 Oct 2018 : Application for E-Appeal (Wife's SG COC)
    16 Oct 2018 : Approval of E-Appeal (Wife's SG COC)
    17 Oct 2018 : Medical Exam of Main Applicant @ Philippines
    22 Oct 2018 : Health Clearance Provided - No further actions Required (Main Applicant)
    07 Nov 2018 : Medical Exam of Dependent @ Singapore
    12 Nov 2018 : Examinations ready for assessment - No further actions required (Secondary Applicant)
    13 Nov 2018 : Additional 603 respiratory investigation for Wife (6 months Treatment)
    04 Dec 2018 : Visa 189 Lodged
    07 Dec 2018 : Passport Renewal
    27 Dec 2018 : SPA + CANA + DFA Authentication for Qatar PCC Application
    05 Jan 2019 : Passport Release
    13 Feb 2019 : End of Sputum Culture Exam for Dependent
    17 Feb 2019 : Qatar Police Clearance release and upload
    05 Mar 2019 : CO Contact requesting for Wife's Medical Exam / GSM Adelaide / Wilson
    07 Jun 2019 : Wife has completed 6-month Treatment
    07 Jun 2019 : Examinations ready for assessment - No further actions required (Secondary Applicant)
    11 Jun 2019 : Additional 601 Sputum culture and smear exam for Wife (6 to 8 Weeks incubation period)
    21 Jun 2019 : Sputum Culture and Smear Exam Sampling @ SATA Bedok SG
    02 Sep 2019 : Sputum Culture and Smear Exam completed
    03 Sep 2019 : Health Clearance Provided - No further actions Required (Secondary Applicant)
    03 Sep 2019 : Feedback (Suggestion) Sent + Emailed CO
    18 Sep 2019 : Feedback (Complain) Sent [Delayed Processing + Expiring Health Assessment]
    25 Sep 2019 : Feedback (Complain) Sent [Delayed Processing + Expiring Police Clearance]
    04 Oct 2019 : Emailed CO [Expired Police Clearance + Frontloaded Form 815]
    16 Dec 2019 : Visa Grant

    07 Jan 2020 : Pre-Departure Orientation Seminar @ CFO Manila
    09 Feb 2020 : Big Move - Melbourne, VIC

  • emilyojemilyoj Pateros, Philippines
    Posts: 6Member
    Joined: Jul 06, 2017
  • emilyojemilyoj Pateros, Philippines
    Posts: 6Member
    Joined: Jul 06, 2017
    @corrappyka_CE such a great help, Thanks!☺️
  • tamblot3000tamblot3000 singapore
    Posts: 10Member
    Joined: Feb 06, 2017
    @corrappyka_CE meron ka din bang sample ng CPD report? pwede pa share dito or send sa email: [email protected]

    Salamat!
  • jeffry32jeffry32 Medina
    Posts: 11Member
    Joined: Jun 05, 2015
    Hello po.. pwede po ba makahingi Ng sample Ng cdr gawing ko lang pong guide. Cdr for electrical engineer po
  • engrmannengrmann Qatar
    Posts: 3Member
    Joined: Apr 29, 2017
    Newbie here about to submit my requirements in EA for 233211. Gaano po kalaki ang chance to get positive assessment nowadays? I need some more encouragement thanks po.
  • misisabatmisisabat Doha
    Posts: 72Member
    Joined: Jul 24, 2017
    Hello everyone. Bago lang po ako dito and I want to seek an advise po. Currently nagaayos na po ako ng documents needed for EA assessment. Ang problem ko po is yung sa current company ko po dito sa Doha.

    I am an engineer and my job is project coordinator. Pero ang visa ko po is cashier visa dahil di po makapagbigay ng female engineer visa ang company namin. So yun po yung nakaindicate sa RP ko. Although sa COE ko po and payslips, project coordinator po ang nakaindicate.

    Pano po kaya ang magandang gawin? Posible po ba na hindi ito iinclude ng assessor sa experience ko kasi po complicated/contradicting ang mga docs?

    Maraming salamat po sa sasagot! Godbless. :)

    1 Thessalonians 5:17

    08 July 2017 - IELTS Exam Doha
    20 July 2017 - Received IELTS Result (ok for EA)
    07 August 2017 - EA submission (fast track)
    25 August 2017 - EA result positive feedback
    24 September 2017 - Submitted EOI for NSW SS (60 points)
    24 September 2017 - Submitted EOI for QLD SS (60 points)

  • gpsgps Melbourne
    Posts: 26Member
    Joined: Aug 18, 2017
    @misisabat medyo late na itong response sa tanong mo bat in my case kahit di related sa position mo un visa title mo wala nman kaso. I worked as a project engineer sa UAE pero nakalagay sa visa ko is technician. Naging ok nman ang assessment sa akin as long as makapag produce ka ng employment certificate with duties and responsibilities on a company letter head. Mas acceptable na proof of experience mo un...

    233512 - Mechanical Engineer

    09/23/2016 - Submitted Fast Track EA Assessment
    10/06/2017 - EA Asked for Additional Requirements
    03/17/2017 - Submitted Additional Docs
    03/21/2017 - Received EA favorable letter
    04/24/2017 - PTE Exam L88 R74 S90 W87 - Proficient
    05/03/2017 - Submitted EOI (65pts)
    05/05/2017 - Submitted SS application to Victoria (Melbourne)
    05/28/2017 - PTE Re-exam L79 R77 S78 W84 - Proficient
    06/09/2017 - SS Approval (ITA received-Vic) (70 pts)
    06/22/2017 - Visa Application Lodged (Subclass 190)
    06/28/2017 - Medical Examination @ IMC Dammam
    07/04/2017 - Health Assessment submitted to DIBP
    07/05/2017 - Medical Cleared
    07/13/2017 - 1st CO (Adelaide) contact requested for Police Clearance
    07/26/2017 - Philippines NBI Clearance uploaded (No record on file)
    08/01/2017 - Saudi Police Clearance uploaded (No Criminal Record)
    08/10/2017 - UAE Police Clearance uploaded (No Criminal Antecedent)
    09/18/2017 - Visa Grant
    xx/xx/2018 - BM

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