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vhoythoyMelbourne Posts: 1,550Member, Moderator Joined: Oct 31, 2012
@vhoythoy Hi! I'm new in this thread and I find it very useful
For the employment supporting docs, do we need to submit the original or certified true copies as well?
Thanks a lot!
ctc lang. keep mo original for future purposes. scanned mo na rin para may soft copy ka bago mo submit. colored scan will do sa DIBP or kaya ctc if black and white copy. pero sa assessor CTC need nila mostly
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07 Feb 14 - Visa Granted
04 Aug 14 - Initial Entry Date requirement
26 July 14 - Actual IED to Melbourne
May 2015 - Big Move
June 2015 - Got a permanent role in Melbourne
Apr 2016 - Got a contract consultancy role in Melbourne
May 2016 - Got permanent role and moved to Toowooba, Queensland
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vamdcpaMakati Posts: 83Member Joined: Dec 11, 2014
12.2014 Started collecting documents
01.2015 IELTS Review
03.21.2015 IELTS Exam
04.03.2015 IELTS Passed (L 8.5 R 7.5 W 7.5 S 7 OBS 7.5)
04.08.2015 Documents submitted to CPAA
05.11.2015 Received positive skills assessment from CPAA
05.11.2015 EOI submitted with 65 points
07.06.2015 Invitation received
08.07.2015 Lodged and paid VISA subclass 189 (Day 1)
08.11.2015 Uploaded documents (Day 4)
08.28.2015 Medicals done (Day 21)
09.03.2015 Medicals finalized
09.04.2015 NBI clearance application - with hit
09.11.2015 NBI clearance release (Day 35)
10.02.2015 CO requested for additional documents (Day 56)
10.08.2015 VISA GRANT! (Day 62)
11.18.2015 Initial Entry Date: Sydney
06.01.2016 BIG MOVE
06.30.2016 Received verbal job offer
07.04.2016 Started work
07.25.2016 Husband started work
vhoythoyMelbourne Posts: 1,550Member, Moderator Joined: Oct 31, 2012
ANZSCO 221214 - Internal Auditor
19 Jan 13 - Academic IELTS Results - passed
12 July 13 - Vetassess Assessment + Point Test Advice: Positive
03 Nov 13 - Invitation Accepted 70 points
19 Dec 13 - Lodged Visa 189
07 Feb 14 - Visa Granted
04 Aug 14 - Initial Entry Date requirement
26 July 14 - Actual IED to Melbourne
May 2015 - Big Move
June 2015 - Got a permanent role in Melbourne
Apr 2016 - Got a contract consultancy role in Melbourne
May 2016 - Got permanent role and moved to Toowooba, Queensland
And now...... living the life that i have imagined
"A great photograph is one that fully expresses what one feels, in the deepest sense, about what is being photographed" - Ansel Adams
adelaide8Melbourne Posts: 44Member Joined: Oct 19, 2014
@psychoboy hello po, mangungulit ulit sa inyo. meron po ba kayong sample reference letter? pwd po pashare? salamat.
It is the basic COE which goes something like:
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
THIS IS TO CERTIFY THAT MRS PSYCHOBOY WAS A STAFF MEMBER OF OUR FIRM FROM XX XXX 20XX TO XX XXX 20XX. SHE HELD THE POSITION OF XXXX XXXX IN OUR AUSSURANCE GROUP WITH BASIC SALARY OF 500PHP AT THE TIME OF HER RESIGNATION.
ATTACHED IN THE FOLLOWING PAGES WERE HER DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
THIS CERTIFICATION IS BEING ISSUED UPON THE REQUEST OF MRS PSYCHOBOY IN RELATION TO HER APPLICATION FOR MIGRATION TO AUSTRALIA.
XX HR PARTNER
Hope this helps!
Hi @TasBurrfoot. I heard that you also need to include the working hours in the COE? How do you think that can be presented? Also, will ITRs (BIR form 2316) alone do in proving compensation (I don't have payslips)? Thanks.
vhoythoyMelbourne Posts: 1,550Member, Moderator Joined: Oct 31, 2012
@psychoboy hello po, mangungulit ulit sa inyo. meron po ba kayong sample reference letter? pwd po pashare? salamat.
It is the basic COE which goes something like:
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
THIS IS TO CERTIFY THAT MRS PSYCHOBOY WAS A STAFF MEMBER OF OUR FIRM FROM XX XXX 20XX TO XX XXX 20XX. SHE HELD THE POSITION OF XXXX XXXX IN OUR AUSSURANCE GROUP WITH BASIC SALARY OF 500PHP AT THE TIME OF HER RESIGNATION.
ATTACHED IN THE FOLLOWING PAGES WERE HER DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
THIS CERTIFICATION IS BEING ISSUED UPON THE REQUEST OF MRS PSYCHOBOY IN RELATION TO HER APPLICATION FOR MIGRATION TO AUSTRALIA.
XX HR PARTNER
Hope this helps!
Hi @TasBurrfoot. I heard that you also need to include the working hours in the COE? How do you think that can be presented? Also, will ITRs (BIR form 2316) alone do in proving compensation (I don't have payslips)? Thanks.
Ok nman ung bir form 2316. evidence of paid employment nman ang needed nila
ANZSCO 221214 - Internal Auditor
19 Jan 13 - Academic IELTS Results - passed
12 July 13 - Vetassess Assessment + Point Test Advice: Positive
03 Nov 13 - Invitation Accepted 70 points
19 Dec 13 - Lodged Visa 189
07 Feb 14 - Visa Granted
04 Aug 14 - Initial Entry Date requirement
26 July 14 - Actual IED to Melbourne
May 2015 - Big Move
June 2015 - Got a permanent role in Melbourne
Apr 2016 - Got a contract consultancy role in Melbourne
May 2016 - Got permanent role and moved to Toowooba, Queensland
And now...... living the life that i have imagined
"A great photograph is one that fully expresses what one feels, in the deepest sense, about what is being photographed" - Ansel Adams
vamdcpaMakati Posts: 83Member Joined: Dec 11, 2014
Hi everyone, I hope you can help me with my query.
I'm currently in the process of collecting documents for the CPAA assessment and all files related to my profession are named after my maiden name. However, in a few months, I will be getting married, and so my legal name will also change. Will it in any way affect my application?
I'm also curious as to which name I will use when I submit my EOI and lodge my visa application (once invited). Will it be okay if my documents show my maiden name while my EOI and application forms show my married name?
Thanks a lot!!!
12.2014 Started collecting documents
01.2015 IELTS Review
03.21.2015 IELTS Exam
04.03.2015 IELTS Passed (L 8.5 R 7.5 W 7.5 S 7 OBS 7.5)
04.08.2015 Documents submitted to CPAA
05.11.2015 Received positive skills assessment from CPAA
05.11.2015 EOI submitted with 65 points
07.06.2015 Invitation received
08.07.2015 Lodged and paid VISA subclass 189 (Day 1)
08.11.2015 Uploaded documents (Day 4)
08.28.2015 Medicals done (Day 21)
09.03.2015 Medicals finalized
09.04.2015 NBI clearance application - with hit
09.11.2015 NBI clearance release (Day 35)
10.02.2015 CO requested for additional documents (Day 56)
10.08.2015 VISA GRANT! (Day 62)
11.18.2015 Initial Entry Date: Sydney
06.01.2016 BIG MOVE
06.30.2016 Received verbal job offer
07.04.2016 Started work
07.25.2016 Husband started work
Hello po. I just want to ask re: Syllabus. I asked d university 3 months ago for a copy of it but they cant provide me for the reason na matagal na dw nawala since 2006 p dw ako grduate. D only doc they can provide is a course description. Pwde na ba ito maconsider or kelangan ko tlaga yung syllabus? Meron sla ngayong maiprovide sa akin pero yung bago at revised na. Tsaka super kapal din dw ng syllabus and it will take them time to photocopy isa2 dw. Ask ko lang po kang syllabus ba tlaga ang sinubmit niyo or course dscription lang? Thanx po.
@erikathy kapag course description kase ang sinubmit mo they would not know kung ano ang mga topics covered by the subjects taken up. Syllabus ang kinukuha nila kase machecheck nila kung covered ba ng education mo yung mga kelangan na natake up mo na. I'm not sure kung meron nakapag apply na course description pang ang binigay nila. Syllabus din ang binigay ko nung nagpaassess ako
pinanayQuezon City Posts: 33Member Joined: Jan 26, 2015
@boy_negro_24@sticky_note pm me your email add I will search for my revised syllabus na sinubmit ko sa CPAA...
sir baka pwede rin po ako makahingi copy please. badly needed. sent you pm...
pinanayQuezon City Posts: 33Member Joined: Jan 26, 2015
@erikathy feeling ko same school tayo. ganyan na ganyan din ang sinabi sakin. namomroblema tuloy ako pano mags-start
vamdcpaMakati Posts: 83Member Joined: Dec 11, 2014
Just viewed the immi.gov.au website and based on this, the ceiling value for accountants is 5478 and the results to date is 378. I'm just wondering because when I checked a few weeks ago, I'm positive that the results to date were much higher (around 1800ish). Do you think there was just a mistake when I checked previously?
Occupation ID Description Ceiling Value Results to date 2211 Accountants 5478 378
12.2014 Started collecting documents
01.2015 IELTS Review
03.21.2015 IELTS Exam
04.03.2015 IELTS Passed (L 8.5 R 7.5 W 7.5 S 7 OBS 7.5)
04.08.2015 Documents submitted to CPAA
05.11.2015 Received positive skills assessment from CPAA
05.11.2015 EOI submitted with 65 points
07.06.2015 Invitation received
08.07.2015 Lodged and paid VISA subclass 189 (Day 1)
08.11.2015 Uploaded documents (Day 4)
08.28.2015 Medicals done (Day 21)
09.03.2015 Medicals finalized
09.04.2015 NBI clearance application - with hit
09.11.2015 NBI clearance release (Day 35)
10.02.2015 CO requested for additional documents (Day 56)
10.08.2015 VISA GRANT! (Day 62)
11.18.2015 Initial Entry Date: Sydney
06.01.2016 BIG MOVE
06.30.2016 Received verbal job offer
07.04.2016 Started work
07.25.2016 Husband started work
TasBurrfootOsaka Posts: 4,336Member Joined: Feb 24, 2011
Just viewed the immi.gov.au website and based on this, the ceiling value for accountants is 5478 and the results to date is 378. I'm just wondering because when I checked a few weeks ago, I'm positive that the results to date were much higher (around 1800ish). Do you think there was just a mistake when I checked previously?
Occupation ID Description Ceiling Value Results to date 2211 Accountants 5478 378
I saw this as well and it should really be a typo... No way it can be that low!
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
vamdcpaMakati Posts: 83Member Joined: Dec 11, 2014
12.2014 Started collecting documents
01.2015 IELTS Review
03.21.2015 IELTS Exam
04.03.2015 IELTS Passed (L 8.5 R 7.5 W 7.5 S 7 OBS 7.5)
04.08.2015 Documents submitted to CPAA
05.11.2015 Received positive skills assessment from CPAA
05.11.2015 EOI submitted with 65 points
07.06.2015 Invitation received
08.07.2015 Lodged and paid VISA subclass 189 (Day 1)
08.11.2015 Uploaded documents (Day 4)
08.28.2015 Medicals done (Day 21)
09.03.2015 Medicals finalized
09.04.2015 NBI clearance application - with hit
09.11.2015 NBI clearance release (Day 35)
10.02.2015 CO requested for additional documents (Day 56)
10.08.2015 VISA GRANT! (Day 62)
11.18.2015 Initial Entry Date: Sydney
06.01.2016 BIG MOVE
06.30.2016 Received verbal job offer
07.04.2016 Started work
07.25.2016 Husband started work
cpa_oct2011Mandaluyong Posts: 324Member Joined: Oct 24, 2014
Sa mga CPAs na nagwork sa auditing firm... Yung work experience nyo po ba sa auditor then ay full acknowledge/credit when you had your work experience assessment? Thanks
TasBurrfootOsaka Posts: 4,336Member Joined: Feb 24, 2011
Sa mga CPAs na nagwork sa auditing firm... Yung work experience nyo po ba sa auditor then ay full acknowledge/credit when you had your work experience assessment? Thanks
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
cpa_oct2011Mandaluyong Posts: 324Member Joined: Oct 24, 2014
Thank you Sir sa reply. And may I know po kung ilang years yung experience nyo at saan audit firm?
I-bench mark ko lang po yung akin. Hehe.. So far po kasi ay 1.10 mos ang audit ko from a big firm. Tpos mag 1 yr na ako dito sa big bank.. Though, ndi pa po ako nag-IELTS, am making sure po na papasok ako sa points, especially sa pagclaum ng work experience, para once nag start na po ako mgprocess e hindi po masayang ang efforts at pera. Hehe. (55 points kasi ako kung ok laht at wala pang work experience).
TasBurrfootOsaka Posts: 4,336Member Joined: Feb 24, 2011
Thank you Sir sa reply. And may I know po kung ilang years yung experience nyo at saan audit firm?
I-bench mark ko lang po yung akin. Hehe.. So far po kasi ay 1.10 mos ang audit ko from a big firm. Tpos mag 1 yr na ako dito sa big bank.. Though, ndi pa po ako nag-IELTS, am making sure po na papasok ako sa points, especially sa pagclaum ng work experience, para once nag start na po ako mgprocess e hindi po masayang ang efforts at pera. Hehe. (55 points kasi ako kung ok laht at wala pang work experience).
am not an auditor... my wife is... PWC Manila and Deloitte Singapore
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
cpa_oct2011Mandaluyong Posts: 324Member Joined: Oct 24, 2014
Ahh.. I see.. Thanks po:).. Grant thornton po ako e.
bernaabadKuala Lumpur Posts: 57Member Joined: Sep 09, 2014
Just viewed the immi.gov.au website and based on this, the ceiling value for accountants is 5478 and the results to date is 378. I'm just wondering because when I checked a few weeks ago, I'm positive that the results to date were much higher (around 1800ish). Do you think there was just a mistake when I checked previously?
Occupation ID Description Ceiling Value Results to date 2211 Accountants 5478 378
@vamdcpa I'm also regularly checking the site. nagulat din ako nung bumaba ung number ng results to date. may nakapag sabi sakin na nagrerefresh tlaga ang results kaso every June yata. I'm not sure if geniune ang results to date na yan... sana may makapag advise...
ANZSCO 221111 Accountant (General)
12 Aug 14 - Register with online British Council review
15 Dec 14 - Speaking Exam at BC KL
20 Dec 14 - Written Exam at BC KL
02 Jan 14 - IELTS Acad Result (L:7.5, R:8.5, W:6.5, S:8.0, OBS=7.5)
reyesmark2015Mandaluyong Posts: 5Member Joined: Feb 11, 2015
Hello everyone.
I am planning to start my application. Can you help me assess my current points?
Age - 25 Work Experience as an accountant - 4years IELTS - all 7 on speaking, writing, reading and speaking
for education, i am not sure about the points that will be awarded. How to know that?
Thanks.
reyesmark2015Mandaluyong Posts: 5Member Joined: Feb 11, 2015
Hello po?
TasBurrfootOsaka Posts: 4,336Member Joined: Feb 24, 2011
Hello everyone.
I am planning to start my application. Can you help me assess my current points?
Age - 25 Work Experience as an accountant - 4years IELTS - all 7 on speaking, writing, reading and speaking
for education, i am not sure about the points that will be awarded. How to know that?
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
adelaide8Melbourne Posts: 44Member Joined: Oct 19, 2014
edited February 2015
Hi - seeking for opinions to what skilled occupation I will qualify for. I have a varied work experience. I am unsure of the Accountant General occupation. Thnks!
Job Title - Short Description - Employment Period Fund Accounting Analyst - Fund administration - almost 4 years Audit Supervisor - External audit - 2 years HR Accounting Account Owner - Balance sheet reconciliation - 1.5 years
ImBMelbourne Posts: 284Member Joined: Nov 10, 2013
@TasBurrfoot at sa mga nakakaalam...eto hindi para sakin hehehe, para sa friend ko.
Yung friend ko kasi eh nag external audit ng 4 yrs tapos internal audit ng 4 yrs. Itatanong ko sana kung puede nyang inominate ang Accountant as profession para counted pareho so total nya eh 8 years.
External Auditor
October 2013 - IELTS review started
November 2013 - Acad IELTS exam (Failed)
February 2014 - Acad IELTS exam (Passed)
1 September 2014 - Sent docs to CPA Australia
15 September 2014 - CPAA requested other information
18 September 2014 - Sent additional information to CPAA
1 October 2014 - Received positive skills assessment from CPAA
1 October 2014 - CPAA requested additional documents for employment assessment
12 January 2015 - Received employment assessment from CPAA
12 January 2015 - Requested a review of employment assessment made by CPAA
1 February 2015 - EOI filed, 60 points
5 February 2015 - Received amended employment assessment from CPAA (increased work experience)
5 February 2015 - EOI updated, 65 points
13 February 2015 - Received invitation to lodge visa
17 February 2015 - Lodge and paid visa 189
9 April 2015 - CO allocated (Team Adelaide)
................... - Waited for baby to come
17 June 2015 - Sent baby's documents
1 July 2015 - Uploaded form 80, NBI, Medicals
8 July 2015 - Visa Grant!!
x January 2016 - Arrived in AU
x July 2016 - Accepted a Contractor Job
x October 2016 - Made Permanent
TasBurrfootOsaka Posts: 4,336Member Joined: Feb 24, 2011
@TasBurrfoot at sa mga nakakaalam...eto hindi para sakin hehehe, para sa friend ko.
Yung friend ko kasi eh nag external audit ng 4 yrs tapos internal audit ng 4 yrs. Itatanong ko sana kung puede nyang inominate ang Accountant as profession para counted pareho so total nya eh 8 years.
should be ok I guess...
my wife got most of her experience as external audit and she got it credited as work experience for general accountant.
the key probably is to make your COE in line with the work done by that belonging to the classification general accountant.
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
ImBMelbourne Posts: 284Member Joined: Nov 10, 2013
External Auditor
October 2013 - IELTS review started
November 2013 - Acad IELTS exam (Failed)
February 2014 - Acad IELTS exam (Passed)
1 September 2014 - Sent docs to CPA Australia
15 September 2014 - CPAA requested other information
18 September 2014 - Sent additional information to CPAA
1 October 2014 - Received positive skills assessment from CPAA
1 October 2014 - CPAA requested additional documents for employment assessment
12 January 2015 - Received employment assessment from CPAA
12 January 2015 - Requested a review of employment assessment made by CPAA
1 February 2015 - EOI filed, 60 points
5 February 2015 - Received amended employment assessment from CPAA (increased work experience)
5 February 2015 - EOI updated, 65 points
13 February 2015 - Received invitation to lodge visa
17 February 2015 - Lodge and paid visa 189
9 April 2015 - CO allocated (Team Adelaide)
................... - Waited for baby to come
17 June 2015 - Sent baby's documents
1 July 2015 - Uploaded form 80, NBI, Medicals
8 July 2015 - Visa Grant!!
x January 2016 - Arrived in AU
x July 2016 - Accepted a Contractor Job
x October 2016 - Made Permanent
Yes!! I finally finished backreading 69 pages of this thread
I hope somebody can help me with the following - I'm concerned about by skill assessment. I've worked as a Taxation Accountant for almost 10 years (no other work experience aside from this) so I initially thought that my nominated occupation should be 221113 TAXATION ACCOUNTANT. But per the CPAA website, Australian Taxation Law is part of the mandatory core knowledge area which of course is not part of our BSA degree in the Philippines.
I think I have a better chance of passing the migration/education assessment by using 221111 Accountant (General) but I'm worried that I will fail the skilled employment assessment which in turn will cause my future CO not to grant me a visa..
Any thoughts on how I should proceed? TIA
vhoythoyMelbourne Posts: 1,550Member, Moderator Joined: Oct 31, 2012
Hello everyone
Yes!! I finally finished backreading 69 pages of this thread
I hope somebody can help me with the following - I'm concerned about by skill assessment. I've worked as a Taxation Accountant for almost 10 years (no other work experience aside from this) so I initially thought that my nominated occupation should be 221113 TAXATION ACCOUNTANT. But per the CPAA website, Australian Taxation Law is part of the mandatory core knowledge area which of course is not part of our BSA degree in the Philippines.
I think I have a better chance of passing the migration/education assessment by using 221111 Accountant (General) but I'm worried that I will fail the skilled employment assessment which in turn will cause my future CO not to grant me a visa..
Any thoughts on how I should proceed? TIA
Sa private company ka nman nagwork diba? And you also performing accountant functions? Taxation acct ba job title mo tlaga sa lahat ng docs (payslip/ job contract/ bir docs)? Anyway if i were you, kung matagal ka na sa company (10yrs kamo) discuss your plans with your boss and HR na gawan ka ng coe with job descriptions and responsibilities similar to acct as mentioned sa skill assesment if tlagang part ng job scope mo. Medyo ilapit mo sa gen accountant with tax functions kesa sa tax kung medyo alanganin ka pero dont make falsified job scope nman. Just my cents
ANZSCO 221214 - Internal Auditor
19 Jan 13 - Academic IELTS Results - passed
12 July 13 - Vetassess Assessment + Point Test Advice: Positive
03 Nov 13 - Invitation Accepted 70 points
19 Dec 13 - Lodged Visa 189
07 Feb 14 - Visa Granted
04 Aug 14 - Initial Entry Date requirement
26 July 14 - Actual IED to Melbourne
May 2015 - Big Move
June 2015 - Got a permanent role in Melbourne
Apr 2016 - Got a contract consultancy role in Melbourne
May 2016 - Got permanent role and moved to Toowooba, Queensland
And now...... living the life that i have imagined
"A great photograph is one that fully expresses what one feels, in the deepest sense, about what is being photographed" - Ansel Adams
Hi Vhoythoy, thanks sa reply. Naka-apat na ako na private companies pero ang nakalagay sa lahat ng COEs and contracts na role ko with them is either tax acccountant or tax analyst.
Sige I will do that. Ang pwede kong i-highlight na accountant function siguro is tax reconciliations and preparation of tax provision and tax notes in the FS.. Pero aside from this tax function talaga ako i.e preparation of returns, advise, audit etc..
Thank you!
vhoythoyMelbourne Posts: 1,550Member, Moderator Joined: Oct 31, 2012
edited February 2015
^^ medyo special ang case mo. If you can seek professional advise from agent or someone with similar case much much better. Mahirap din kasi lalo na kung may sariling skill set code yung mga tax analyst/ tax advisor and if hindi classified as related to accountant may possibility na ma deny un. Research further din
ANZSCO 221214 - Internal Auditor
19 Jan 13 - Academic IELTS Results - passed
12 July 13 - Vetassess Assessment + Point Test Advice: Positive
03 Nov 13 - Invitation Accepted 70 points
19 Dec 13 - Lodged Visa 189
07 Feb 14 - Visa Granted
04 Aug 14 - Initial Entry Date requirement
26 July 14 - Actual IED to Melbourne
May 2015 - Big Move
June 2015 - Got a permanent role in Melbourne
Apr 2016 - Got a contract consultancy role in Melbourne
May 2016 - Got permanent role and moved to Toowooba, Queensland
And now...... living the life that i have imagined
"A great photograph is one that fully expresses what one feels, in the deepest sense, about what is being photographed" - Ansel Adams
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ANZSCO 221214 - Internal Auditor
19 Jan 13 - Academic IELTS Results - passed
12 July 13 - Vetassess Assessment + Point Test Advice: Positive
03 Nov 13 - Invitation Accepted 70 points
19 Dec 13 - Lodged Visa 189
07 Feb 14 - Visa Granted
04 Aug 14 - Initial Entry Date requirement
26 July 14 - Actual IED to Melbourne
May 2015 - Big Move
June 2015 - Got a permanent role in Melbourne
Apr 2016 - Got a contract consultancy role in Melbourne
May 2016 - Got permanent role and moved to Toowooba, Queensland
And now...... living the life that i have imagined
"A great photograph is one that fully expresses what one feels, in the deepest sense, about what is being photographed" - Ansel Adams
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12.2014 Started collecting documents
01.2015 IELTS Review
03.21.2015 IELTS Exam
04.03.2015 IELTS Passed (L 8.5 R 7.5 W 7.5 S 7 OBS 7.5)
04.08.2015 Documents submitted to CPAA
05.11.2015 Received positive skills assessment from CPAA
05.11.2015 EOI submitted with 65 points
07.06.2015 Invitation received
08.07.2015 Lodged and paid VISA subclass 189 (Day 1)
08.11.2015 Uploaded documents (Day 4)
08.28.2015 Medicals done (Day 21)
09.03.2015 Medicals finalized
09.04.2015 NBI clearance application - with hit
09.11.2015 NBI clearance release (Day 35)
10.02.2015 CO requested for additional documents (Day 56)
10.08.2015 VISA GRANT! (Day 62)
11.18.2015 Initial Entry Date: Sydney
06.01.2016 BIG MOVE
06.30.2016 Received verbal job offer
07.04.2016 Started work
07.25.2016 Husband started work
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ANZSCO 221214 - Internal Auditor
19 Jan 13 - Academic IELTS Results - passed
12 July 13 - Vetassess Assessment + Point Test Advice: Positive
03 Nov 13 - Invitation Accepted 70 points
19 Dec 13 - Lodged Visa 189
07 Feb 14 - Visa Granted
04 Aug 14 - Initial Entry Date requirement
26 July 14 - Actual IED to Melbourne
May 2015 - Big Move
June 2015 - Got a permanent role in Melbourne
Apr 2016 - Got a contract consultancy role in Melbourne
May 2016 - Got permanent role and moved to Toowooba, Queensland
And now...... living the life that i have imagined
"A great photograph is one that fully expresses what one feels, in the deepest sense, about what is being photographed" - Ansel Adams
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Posts: 1,550Member, Moderator
Joined: Oct 31, 2012
ANZSCO 221214 - Internal Auditor
19 Jan 13 - Academic IELTS Results - passed
12 July 13 - Vetassess Assessment + Point Test Advice: Positive
03 Nov 13 - Invitation Accepted 70 points
19 Dec 13 - Lodged Visa 189
07 Feb 14 - Visa Granted
04 Aug 14 - Initial Entry Date requirement
26 July 14 - Actual IED to Melbourne
May 2015 - Big Move
June 2015 - Got a permanent role in Melbourne
Apr 2016 - Got a contract consultancy role in Melbourne
May 2016 - Got permanent role and moved to Toowooba, Queensland
And now...... living the life that i have imagined
"A great photograph is one that fully expresses what one feels, in the deepest sense, about what is being photographed" - Ansel Adams
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Joined: Dec 11, 2014
I'm currently in the process of collecting documents for the CPAA assessment and all files related to my profession are named after my maiden name. However, in a few months, I will be getting married, and so my legal name will also change. Will it in any way affect my application?
I'm also curious as to which name I will use when I submit my EOI and lodge my visa application (once invited). Will it be okay if my documents show my maiden name while my EOI and application forms show my married name?
Thanks a lot!!!
12.2014 Started collecting documents
01.2015 IELTS Review
03.21.2015 IELTS Exam
04.03.2015 IELTS Passed (L 8.5 R 7.5 W 7.5 S 7 OBS 7.5)
04.08.2015 Documents submitted to CPAA
05.11.2015 Received positive skills assessment from CPAA
05.11.2015 EOI submitted with 65 points
07.06.2015 Invitation received
08.07.2015 Lodged and paid VISA subclass 189 (Day 1)
08.11.2015 Uploaded documents (Day 4)
08.28.2015 Medicals done (Day 21)
09.03.2015 Medicals finalized
09.04.2015 NBI clearance application - with hit
09.11.2015 NBI clearance release (Day 35)
10.02.2015 CO requested for additional documents (Day 56)
10.08.2015 VISA GRANT! (Day 62)
11.18.2015 Initial Entry Date: Sydney
06.01.2016 BIG MOVE
06.30.2016 Received verbal job offer
07.04.2016 Started work
07.25.2016 Husband started work
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Joined: Sep 03, 2014
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Occupation ID Description Ceiling Value Results to date
2211 Accountants 5478 378
12.2014 Started collecting documents
01.2015 IELTS Review
03.21.2015 IELTS Exam
04.03.2015 IELTS Passed (L 8.5 R 7.5 W 7.5 S 7 OBS 7.5)
04.08.2015 Documents submitted to CPAA
05.11.2015 Received positive skills assessment from CPAA
05.11.2015 EOI submitted with 65 points
07.06.2015 Invitation received
08.07.2015 Lodged and paid VISA subclass 189 (Day 1)
08.11.2015 Uploaded documents (Day 4)
08.28.2015 Medicals done (Day 21)
09.03.2015 Medicals finalized
09.04.2015 NBI clearance application - with hit
09.11.2015 NBI clearance release (Day 35)
10.02.2015 CO requested for additional documents (Day 56)
10.08.2015 VISA GRANT! (Day 62)
11.18.2015 Initial Entry Date: Sydney
06.01.2016 BIG MOVE
06.30.2016 Received verbal job offer
07.04.2016 Started work
07.25.2016 Husband started work
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 83Member
Joined: Dec 11, 2014
12.2014 Started collecting documents
01.2015 IELTS Review
03.21.2015 IELTS Exam
04.03.2015 IELTS Passed (L 8.5 R 7.5 W 7.5 S 7 OBS 7.5)
04.08.2015 Documents submitted to CPAA
05.11.2015 Received positive skills assessment from CPAA
05.11.2015 EOI submitted with 65 points
07.06.2015 Invitation received
08.07.2015 Lodged and paid VISA subclass 189 (Day 1)
08.11.2015 Uploaded documents (Day 4)
08.28.2015 Medicals done (Day 21)
09.03.2015 Medicals finalized
09.04.2015 NBI clearance application - with hit
09.11.2015 NBI clearance release (Day 35)
10.02.2015 CO requested for additional documents (Day 56)
10.08.2015 VISA GRANT! (Day 62)
11.18.2015 Initial Entry Date: Sydney
06.01.2016 BIG MOVE
06.30.2016 Received verbal job offer
07.04.2016 Started work
07.25.2016 Husband started work
Posts: 324Member
Joined: Oct 24, 2014
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 324Member
Joined: Oct 24, 2014
I-bench mark ko lang po yung akin. Hehe.. So far po kasi ay 1.10 mos ang audit ko from a big firm. Tpos mag 1 yr na ako dito sa big bank.. Though, ndi pa po ako nag-IELTS, am making sure po na papasok ako sa points, especially sa pagclaum ng work experience, para once nag start na po ako mgprocess e hindi po masayang ang efforts at pera. Hehe. (55 points kasi ako kung ok laht at wala pang work experience).
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 324Member
Joined: Oct 24, 2014
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Joined: Sep 09, 2014
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Joined: Feb 11, 2015
I am planning to start my application. Can you help me assess my current points?
Age - 25
Work Experience as an accountant - 4years
IELTS - all 7 on speaking, writing, reading and speaking
for education, i am not sure about the points that will be awarded. How to know that?
Thanks.
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http://pinoyau.info/discussion/101/general-skilled-immigration-visa-step-by-step-process#latest
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 44Member
Joined: Oct 19, 2014
Job Title - Short Description - Employment Period
Fund Accounting Analyst - Fund administration - almost 4 years
Audit Supervisor - External audit - 2 years
HR Accounting Account Owner - Balance sheet reconciliation - 1.5 years
Posts: 284Member
Joined: Nov 10, 2013
Yung friend ko kasi eh nag external audit ng 4 yrs tapos internal audit ng 4 yrs. Itatanong ko sana kung puede nyang inominate ang Accountant as profession para counted pareho so total nya eh 8 years.
External Auditor
October 2013 - IELTS review started
November 2013 - Acad IELTS exam (Failed)
February 2014 - Acad IELTS exam (Passed)
1 September 2014 - Sent docs to CPA Australia
15 September 2014 - CPAA requested other information
18 September 2014 - Sent additional information to CPAA
1 October 2014 - Received positive skills assessment from CPAA
1 October 2014 - CPAA requested additional documents for employment assessment
12 January 2015 - Received employment assessment from CPAA
12 January 2015 - Requested a review of employment assessment made by CPAA
1 February 2015 - EOI filed, 60 points
5 February 2015 - Received amended employment assessment from CPAA (increased work experience)
5 February 2015 - EOI updated, 65 points
13 February 2015 - Received invitation to lodge visa
17 February 2015 - Lodge and paid visa 189
9 April 2015 - CO allocated (Team Adelaide)
................... - Waited for baby to come
17 June 2015 - Sent baby's documents
1 July 2015 - Uploaded form 80, NBI, Medicals
8 July 2015 - Visa Grant!!
x January 2016 - Arrived in AU
x July 2016 - Accepted a Contractor Job
x October 2016 - Made Permanent
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
my wife got most of her experience as external audit and she got it credited as work experience for general accountant.
the key probably is to make your COE in line with the work done by that belonging to the classification general accountant.
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 284Member
Joined: Nov 10, 2013
External Auditor
October 2013 - IELTS review started
November 2013 - Acad IELTS exam (Failed)
February 2014 - Acad IELTS exam (Passed)
1 September 2014 - Sent docs to CPA Australia
15 September 2014 - CPAA requested other information
18 September 2014 - Sent additional information to CPAA
1 October 2014 - Received positive skills assessment from CPAA
1 October 2014 - CPAA requested additional documents for employment assessment
12 January 2015 - Received employment assessment from CPAA
12 January 2015 - Requested a review of employment assessment made by CPAA
1 February 2015 - EOI filed, 60 points
5 February 2015 - Received amended employment assessment from CPAA (increased work experience)
5 February 2015 - EOI updated, 65 points
13 February 2015 - Received invitation to lodge visa
17 February 2015 - Lodge and paid visa 189
9 April 2015 - CO allocated (Team Adelaide)
................... - Waited for baby to come
17 June 2015 - Sent baby's documents
1 July 2015 - Uploaded form 80, NBI, Medicals
8 July 2015 - Visa Grant!!
x January 2016 - Arrived in AU
x July 2016 - Accepted a Contractor Job
x October 2016 - Made Permanent
Posts: 7Member
Joined: Feb 16, 2015
Yes!! I finally finished backreading 69 pages of this thread
I hope somebody can help me with the following - I'm concerned about by skill assessment. I've worked as a Taxation Accountant for almost 10 years (no other work experience aside from this) so I initially thought that my nominated occupation should be 221113 TAXATION ACCOUNTANT. But per the CPAA website, Australian Taxation Law is part of the mandatory core knowledge area which of course is not part of our BSA degree in the Philippines.
I think I have a better chance of passing the migration/education assessment by using 221111 Accountant (General) but I'm worried that I will fail the skilled employment assessment which in turn will cause my future CO not to grant me a visa..
Any thoughts on how I should proceed? TIA
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ANZSCO 221214 - Internal Auditor
19 Jan 13 - Academic IELTS Results - passed
12 July 13 - Vetassess Assessment + Point Test Advice: Positive
03 Nov 13 - Invitation Accepted 70 points
19 Dec 13 - Lodged Visa 189
07 Feb 14 - Visa Granted
04 Aug 14 - Initial Entry Date requirement
26 July 14 - Actual IED to Melbourne
May 2015 - Big Move
June 2015 - Got a permanent role in Melbourne
Apr 2016 - Got a contract consultancy role in Melbourne
May 2016 - Got permanent role and moved to Toowooba, Queensland
And now...... living the life that i have imagined
"A great photograph is one that fully expresses what one feels, in the deepest sense, about what is being photographed" - Ansel Adams
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Sige I will do that. Ang pwede kong i-highlight na accountant function siguro is tax reconciliations and preparation of tax provision and tax notes in the FS.. Pero aside from this tax function talaga ako i.e preparation of returns, advise, audit etc..
Thank you!
Posts: 1,550Member, Moderator
Joined: Oct 31, 2012
ANZSCO 221214 - Internal Auditor
19 Jan 13 - Academic IELTS Results - passed
12 July 13 - Vetassess Assessment + Point Test Advice: Positive
03 Nov 13 - Invitation Accepted 70 points
19 Dec 13 - Lodged Visa 189
07 Feb 14 - Visa Granted
04 Aug 14 - Initial Entry Date requirement
26 July 14 - Actual IED to Melbourne
May 2015 - Big Move
June 2015 - Got a permanent role in Melbourne
Apr 2016 - Got a contract consultancy role in Melbourne
May 2016 - Got permanent role and moved to Toowooba, Queensland
And now...... living the life that i have imagined
"A great photograph is one that fully expresses what one feels, in the deepest sense, about what is being photographed" - Ansel Adams