Engineers Australia Skills Assessment

kuya.king · May 2017

@chuckiebhoi under fast track ba? Kelan 26th working day mo?

chuckiebhoi · May 2017

@kuya.king yes fast track. Based sa bilang ko (if tama,hehe) June 2 pa. nakakainip lang maghintay.

amoj · May 2017

Question po. I got a feedback (below) from the EA assessor. Question ko is, edit ko lang ba yung existing CDR ko or totally new?

"The career episodes do not provide sufficient detail of the telecommunications engineering work personally undertaken by you. The career episodes are satisfactory for demonstrating the application of engineering knowledge and skills attributable to an Engineering Technologist (ANZSCO 233914).

If you want to be assessed as Telecommunications Engineer please provide the following:
1. Please provide evidence of your projects.
2. It would be better if you can show some figures, images, softwares, calculations,tables and data on your career episodes. Please explain in detail in your career episode
3. Please provide 3 NEW Career Episode.

However if you decided to be assessed as Engineering Technologist, you do not need to provide 3 NEW career episodes.

Please confirm how you want to proceed."

MikeYanbu · May 2017

@amoj its up to you kung gusto mo magpa assess as telecom engineer talaga, wala naman weight yan pag andun ka na sa aussie, for migration assessment lang yan magamit, kung tatanggapin mo ang 233914, sa july wala pang prorata yan kayat open for invitation lahat ng may 60 pts min.

pero kung meron ka namang sufficient experience and projects to work on for yor CDR, pwede mo rin address hinihingi nila....

the point here is, telecom engr. man o engineering technologist, iisa lang ang endpoint nyan grant, para maka migrate ka.... its up to you kung papatagalin mo pa ang filing ng EOI habang inaayos mo ang assessment mo for Professional engineer assessment...

kuya.king · May 2017

@amoj, i think pwede mo iedit nlng, pero kung ieedit mo siyempre dapat makita ung significant change. If ieedit mo ung same employment mo na ginamit mo previously sa career episodes mo into more critical role or higher technical projects, baka maquestion ka bakit di un ang nilagay mo originally, but there will be no second correspondence na as per their new rules, di na nila siguro makukwestion. I suggest if you have other employments na hindi pa nagamit previously, dun ka kumuha ng bagong CEs. And eventhough hindi sila humihingi ng bagong summary statement, I think need mo iadjust kasi siyempre magbabago ng paragraph numbers and also somehow magbabago ung content nung summary.

Ganyan din case ko, though dalwa nlng na "completely" new career episodes ang hiningi sakin, hindi ko na pinush kasi wala nang mapupush, sinabi ko na lht ng ginawa ko sa work, hindi naman kasi ako nagDESIGN or nagPLAN kasi operations ako parati napupunta and basically operating na ung mga systems and hindi ako para magdesign ng mga bagong sistema kasi ibang dept na un.

Sa case mo, humihingi sila ng "detailed with images, figures, computation". Though sakin, wala namang hininging ganyan, wala din ung original na sinubmit ko, parang nabasa ko kasi sa booklet na ayaw din naman nila ng masyadong technical at baka di na makarelate ung assessor. Well I guess depende rin talaga sa assessor. Pansin ko, need mo ng overwhelming data para maintimidate siya.

As for me, I chose Engineering Technologist, di ko na pinush ung telco engr kasi wala narin ako mapupush sa CEs ko, alangan namang magimbento ako ng tasks or projects. Eh kelangan magreflect din sa COE ung CEs. Kaso nga lang, ceiling na ang 233914, so wait muna hanggang July.

amoj · May 2017

@kuya.king @MikeYanbu Thanks sa inputs!

Isa pa sa concern ko is, naka flagged yung Engineering Technologist ng 2016-2017. Hindi na ba siya ngayon? Lumabas na ba yung new list ng 2017-2018?

And @kuya.king , what do you mean by "there will be no second correspondence na as per their new rules". San ko makikita yan?

Thanks!

kuya.king · May 2017

@amoj yup flagged na siya pero we are hoping na sana hindi siya mawala. Pero as per the latest list, andun pa naman, ceiling na nga lang.

Regarding dun sa there will be no second correspondence, nabasa ko yun during application/submission mismo. Parang nakalagay na due to high volume of MSA application, there will be no second correspondence blah blah somewhere before the you finally submit, kaya nagworry narin ako, kasi it means pag di ko nameet ung hinihingi nila after ng first correspondence, baka i-reject mismo ung application.

inthenow · May 2017

@jiomariano Hi, I am fairly new here and most of the time just a comment reader to gather info. I believe when my wife's status change to Assessment in Progress after couple of days (2-3 days) she got her approval by the EA.

Hi @kuya.king Engineering Technologist din ang application ng wife ko with positive assessment na from EA and with 11 years of relevant experience. Ask ko lang when you say flagged na, does it mean it is in danger of being removed from the list? tanong ko din kung pwede I-claim yung 15 points sa experience to lodge EOI (TBD by DIBP) since we were quite surprised that our MARA agent did not give us any point with experience criteria. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Salamat.

amoj · May 2017

Hi @kuya.king, ask lang ako if let's say nag-GO ako ng Engineering Technologist and by July na-remove siya, can I submit again (and pay) for Telco Engineer naman?

Thanks!

kuya.king · May 2017

Hi @inthenow , there is this so-called "danger" or possibility na nawala siya sa list, pero there is no guarantee naman na nawawala na siya nxt FY. Even if flagged na, it doesnt necessarily mean na tatanggalin na siya sa next FY reset.

See here: https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/Work/Skills-assessment-and-assessing-authorities/skilled-occupations-lists

https://www.acacia-au.com/skillselect-update-april-2017.php

Eto about flagged pero last nov pa ung article: https://www.acacia-au.com/changes-to-Skilled-Occupations-List-Flagged.php

So far wala pa naman akong nabasa na pag flagged na, means "confirmed" na matatanggal na, but I think it should mean something, so it means there is a possibility. Let's hope and pray na wag ma-remove. [-O<

Regarding dun sa 15 points for 11years of work experience, im not sure why hindi kinount ng MARA agent nyo. Question, pag under agent ba, sino naglolodge ng EOI, kayo o ung agent? (So sorry not sure with this one)

Anyway, as long as clearly inistate ni EA ung relevant period of experience, i dont see any reason para hindi icount nung agent. Maybe you could clarify this also with your agent. Though actually kht nga hindi certified by EA na relevant(kung di ka nagRSEA), pwede mo parin iclaim, pero as you mentioned nga, TBD by DIBP.

@amoj , i think wala namang issue yun. Mejo flexible naman ung mga education natin. Lets say iconsider ka sa engineering technologist with 10 yrs experience, if magapply ka for telco engineer next time, maaring less years of experience nlng ang iaward sayo(unless mas related sa telco engineer ung majority ng experience mo, pero if ganun, inapprove na dapat nila itong assessment mo)

As long as related either ung work mo or ung education mo sa isang nominated occupation, I think pwede ka naman magchange ng nominated occupation from one to another, un nga lang, magkakatalo nlng sa iaaward sau sa assessment.

Halimbawa ECE grad ka with experience of 2 yrs as electronics engineer, let say sa semicon, then 8 years experience as network engineer sa telco, pwede ka magapply on either occupations, most likely you will be qualified for either Electronics Engineer or Telco Engineer or Telco Network engineer, magkakatalo nlng kung ilang years of relevant experience ang ikacount ni EA.... Yun ay kung magRSEA ka. Kung di ka magRSEA, then no issue naman siguro sa qualification as long as majustify mo in your CPD and it is upto you based from your judgement alin ang related sa nominated occupation mo which will later be subject to approval ng DIBP.

rosch · May 2017

@inthenow additional info lng based on my experience. EA credited my experience from 2004-2017 as relevant experience but my engineering experience from 2004-2007 is not similar for electronics engr job description. Generic job description lng ibinigay ko for this period.

wanderer · May 2017

@rosch you must have given a strong career episode for the year 2004-2007?

sanseb2016 · May 2017

rosch said:
@inthenow additional info lng based on my experience. EA credited my experience from 2004-2017 as relevant experience but my engineering experience from 2004-2007 is not similar for electronics engr job description. Generic job description lng ibinigay ko for this period.

Hi @inthenow ,

Same with @rosch walang nabawas sa working experience ko from 2004-2017. May isang job ako sa Singtel na hindi talaga pasok sa pagiging professional engineer. I was expecting na di credited yun (since sa ACS irrelevant cya) but good thing nacredit lahat. I submitted yung actual JD ng Product Development Manager. Hindi ko ito mabago kasi yung Director ang pipirma.

Then for my career episodes, I demonstrated yung entry level which is Engineer then sunod yung integration engineer tapos yung third ko naman as solution architect.

As engineer, nademonstrate ko yung pagiging independent and keen to details. How I collaborate with working teams to ensure na machieve yung project. Ang nakalagay sa akin dito yung network diagram lang. Simple lang yung diagram ko. Interconnection lang ng mga SMSC papunta sa Switches.

As integration engineer, ang highlight naman dito yung role ko as decision maker. Lalo kapag may issue yung project. Anong klaseng decision ginawa mo.. Paano mo pinaalam sa customer at internal stakeholders. May diagram ako dito medyo high-level lang din..

Then finally as Solution Architect, ang paghandle ng tao, paghandle ng client, pressure from timeline, pressure sa issue sa ground, issue ng mga test cases. Ano yung show stopper paano handle para meet timeline etc. Sa ganun tumatakbo yung story line ko. Mas madami yung mga pictures ko dito. Pero wala akong computation, wala akong mga graphs. High-level network diagrams lang talaga.

Sa conclusion ko, lesson learned ang drama. Anong natutunan at realization or reflection ko..

rosch · May 2017

@wanderer wala akong binigay na career episode for the year 2004-2007

Krisian · May 2017

hello po, ask ko lang, what po meaning ng below notif from engineers australia?
means after pa ng july 1 mapa-process po yung assessment ko, tama po ba?

Due to current demand, please be aware that your application is unlikely to be processed prior to the Skills Occupation List being reviewed on 1 July 2017 by the Australian Department of Education and Training which may lead to some occupational categories being removed from the list. This review is independent of Engineers Australia.

Grifter · May 2017

@Krisian parang ang intindi ko po ay same sa nyo. I aassess lang nila once marelease na un official 2017-2018 na occupation list.
Nakakaworry kase kasama sa flagged list un occupation ko..

chuckiebhoi · May 2017

@Krisian anong occupation mo? kelan ka naglodge at nagfast track ka ba? baka ganyan rin maging feedback sakin, wag naman sana 8-|

Krisian · May 2017

@chuckiebhoi , di pa ko sir naglodge, dapat po kanina, kaya lang s "start msa application" page palang nag-appear na yung notif, wala pa ko info nilalagay.. telecom network engineer po ako..

Krisian · May 2017

@Grifter , ano occupation mo? Paano nalaman na ksama s flagged list occup mo?

Xiaomau82 · May 2017

Krisian said:
hello po, ask ko lang, what po meaning ng below notif from engineers australia?
means after pa ng july 1 mapa-process po yung assessment ko, tama po ba?

Due to current demand, please be aware that your application is unlikely to be processed prior to the Skills Occupation List being reviewed on 1 July 2017 by the Australian Department of Education and Training which may lead to some occupational categories being removed from the list. This review is independent of Engineers Australia.

There may be another round by 1st of July whereby a list of occupations will be taken out of the skilled list. Not sure though.

glorified4man · May 2017

Hi pinoy au,

First, sorry for this long post.

May feedback na un assessor ko today.

Feedback from Assessor
"Please note that the provided documents are not sufficient as a proof of employment. Please provide:
1. A reference letter stating more specific duties (or duties on specific projects) related to Civil Engineering
2. Social security statements covering the whole period of employment

Assessor Comments
Please provide the requested information within a month. Please note that if some of the requested documents are not provided, the assessment may be finalised without any further request and therefore some or all the work experience may not be recognised.

I look forward to continuing with your assessment upon reciept of the requested information."

Tanong ko lang mga boss kung:

(1) Ok na itong mga balak kong ilistang duties para sa revised COE:

Design and analysis of concrete foundation and steel structures for various mining, oil and gas, and petrochemical plants.
Prepare calculation reports based on the designed steel structures and concrete foundations for documentation and/or permitting purposes.
Provide engineering sketches that will serve as basis for detailed engineering drawings to draftspersons; and review said detailed drawings before construction.
Perform specialized engineering duties like vibration analysis, blast design, and steel connection design whenever needed.
Assist the Lead engineer in planning work assignments, provide technical engineering support, develop cost-effective solutions to project problems, etc.

(2) Ano un pinaka maganda ipasa as social security statement? BIR Form 2316 for yrs 2012,2012,2015, & 2016 kasi pinasa ko. Nawala ko kasi un para sa 2014 & un sa 2017 eh syempre hindi pa available.

(3)Nabasa na kaya ng Assessor un career episodes ko? possible ba na me hingin pa siya iba?

Salamat sa mga nagtyagang magbasa ng post ko. Please help me... {:(

rosch · May 2017

@glorified4man as many specific duties na kaya mong ilagay. ung mga nandun sa CDR mo na duties, ilagay mo lahat dyan sa COE. pati equipments used ilagay mo na rin. wala naman wrong COE as long as yan talaga ang job mo. With regards sa SSS, puede kang kumuha ng SSS certificate from any SSS branch. Ang iba dito, they just get their SSS contribution from the internet.

glorified4man · May 2017

@rosch Thank po sa reply

Medyo hassle po kasi kumuha COE dito sa current employer ko. Iniinterview pa and very awkward kumuha ng COE. Parang candidate ka kagad sa tangalan kapag nalaman nila na pwede ka umalis.

Kung sakali po kaya na un na un nakalagay na duties ko? Specific enough na po ba un?

cliffhanger82 · May 2017

@glorified4man ano pala problma sa duties and responsibilities mo dati?

glorified4man · May 2017

@cliffhanger82 Sa company kasi namin me official document tungkol sa list of duties. Kumuha ako ng 5 dun:

Employ cost competitive engineering techniques to develop the most cost-effective total project solution for execution of the discipline engineering work
Incorporate health, safety, and environmental factors in design
Adhere to industry codes and standards as well as department practices and procedures
Analyze and make independent recommendations regarding solutions to problems with varying complexity in accordance with organization and/or project objectives and guidelines
Plan and organize own work assignments, as well as carry out tasks from management staff

Kanina ininterview ako ng department head namin. Gusto nya ipaverify ko pa sa mga previous supervisors ko un mga bago list of duties na nilagay ko.

Hay...

Para tuloy pinagkalat ko na sa buong department na nagaaply ako ng migration. Sana nabasa na ng assessor un career episodes ko and wala na siya comment pa... eto na lang sana tapos positive outcome na!

cliffhanger82 · May 2017

@glorified4man i see, sobrang generic talaga iyong una mong duties and responsibilities. Make it sure na iyong bagong duties ay mag match sa 3 career episode mo. Good luck

Grifter · May 2017

@glorified4man pwede din po check nyo un alignment ng duties and resp mo as per description sa anzsco para mas ok ang skills assessment. Goodluck

Grifter · May 2017

@Krisian nuon pa kase naka nanganganib occupation ko. Tas un changes nila last month e naka caveat na nga un occupation ko at d na din eligible for 190 unlike before

https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/Work/Skills-assessment-and-assessing-authorities/skilled-occupations-lists/mltssl

wanderer · May 2017

glorified4man said:
@cliffhanger82 Sa company kasi namin me official document tungkol sa list of duties. Kumuha ako ng 5 dun:

Employ cost competitive engineering techniques to develop the most cost-effective total project solution for execution of the discipline engineering work
Incorporate health, safety, and environmental factors in design
Adhere to industry codes and standards as well as department practices and procedures
Analyze and make independent recommendations regarding solutions to problems with varying complexity in accordance with organization and/or project objectives and guidelines
Plan and organize own work assignments, as well as carry out tasks from management staff

Kanina ininterview ako ng department head namin. Gusto nya ipaverify ko pa sa mga previous supervisors ko un mga bago list of duties na nilagay ko.

Hay...

Para tuloy pinagkalat ko na sa buong department na nagaaply ako ng migration. Sana nabasa na ng assessor un career episodes ko and wala na siya comment pa... eto na lang sana tapos positive outcome na!

Dagdagan mo lang po ng specific duties for civil which is in line with your career episodes like for example structural analysis, soil investigations, softwares used like etabs, etc. Kasi yang mga nakalagay ay pwede rin yan duties ng ibang engineering discipline

About sa social security, kuha ka lang sa SSS online, more than enough na yun in my experience with EA

glorified4man · May 2017

@wanderer Medyo generalized nga ung original list of duties na nilagay ko kaya pinaltan ko sya ng bago list kapareho nun sa orig post ko. Pinapaaprub ko pa sa manager and HR namin.

Pano po un sa online SSS? Snapshot lang ng table?