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  • kymmekymme Western Australia
    Posts: 1,284Member
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    @ishtar omg ang mahal n ng ahpra fee. grom what i remember from last year, nasa 300-400 pa lang.

    Registered Nurse Nec

    06/15 - touchdown Oz
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    07/16 - finished uni
    07/16 - received AHPRA Australian Registered Nurse rego
    08/16 - student visa 500 (Diploma)
    10/16 - started working as an RN

    07/09/17 - Submitted EOI for State Nom Vic with 60points

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  • fishball2017fishball2017 Posts: 13Member
    Joined: Sep 25, 2017
    660? trans tasman po ba yan? dati parang 180 lng po
  • nursesamnursesam Philippines
    Posts: 12Member
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    Hi! I'd like to know if I will be qualified on taking the conversion course with my 1 year work experience and with a gap of more than 5 years. Got licensed 2010 then worked 2011-2012 then worked on another field after until now although. I'm actually working now as a Medical English Teacher, I'm not sure if it is counted as an experience. Also, I took my IELTS and got 8.5 L, 7.5 R & S, and 6.5 W. what do I need to do next, AHPRA first or send application to schools? How long does it take to process everything including the visa? Another thing, would it be better to bring my family, a baby and a toddler and husband or wait for the PR(how long). Please help. Thank you very much!
  • jkk32wjkk32w Melbourne
    Posts: 682Member
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    hello nurses with a good heart!
    asking in behalf of my sister who is processing docs for aphra.

    anyone here submitted a syllabus na walng letterhead from school or logo? ung binigay kc ng school nia is soft copy lng kc around 70pages and wlang letter head so when we printed it normal doc lng sia from a word doc.

    pls advise. thanks a lot!

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  • CasseyCassey Melbourne, Australia
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    edited September 2017
    @nursesam Go to the websites of the schools offering the conversion course, they usually state there if you need an experience for the conversion course. Mostly sa mga nabasa ko, they require at least 3mos recent experience but there might be some schools that MIGHT not require work experience. With the English test, it also varies depending on the requirement of the Uni you’ll be enrolling in. Some schools require students to take an English program if they don’t meet the english requirement. If you want to do a conversion course, you can book an appointment with IDP or AECC, their services are free. Processing will depend on how complete your requirements are.. You can bring your hubby with you as your dependent but with the kids it might be difficult. I wouldn’t suggest that you bring your kids. You can just put them on your PR application later on. With the PR application, it would depend on AHPRA and ANMAC waiting time, waiting time for the invitation to apply for PR and waiting time for the grant itself. Have you estimated how many points you’ll have? You need to at least have 60 points to apply for 189 and 55 points + 5 points (state nomination) on Visa 190.

    June 16, 2013 Arrival in Melbourne (AGED CARE)
    Nov 12, 2014 Changed Visa Subclass (572->573) and Course
    Nov 13, 2014 573 Visa Approved
    Mar 2015 Nursing Conversion Course (Deakin Uni) started
    April 13, 2016 Lodged EOI thru Skill Select
    April 27, 2016 Received invitation to apply for Visa 189 (Nurse)
    May 2, 2016 Lodged application for 189 Visa (Onshore)
    May 11, 2016 CO contacted for Form 80/Medicals of daughter
    June 17, 2016 189 VISA GRANTED Thank you my amazing God :)

    Dec14, 2017 Citizenship application
    March 21, 2019 Citizenship Ceremony :)

    "Happy is the person who learns to wait as he prays and never loses his patience, for God's time is the best time."

  • MissAussieMissAussie Pasig
    Posts: 118Member
    Joined: Aug 21, 2017
    Hello, Im done with my PTE, currently gathering all my documents for AHPRA, ask ko lang if after bridging may work kayang mahahanap? 2 year onco nurse
  • CasseyCassey Melbourne, Australia
    Posts: 2,812Member, Moderator
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    @MissAussie With your specialization and work experience, you have a big chance.

    June 16, 2013 Arrival in Melbourne (AGED CARE)
    Nov 12, 2014 Changed Visa Subclass (572->573) and Course
    Nov 13, 2014 573 Visa Approved
    Mar 2015 Nursing Conversion Course (Deakin Uni) started
    April 13, 2016 Lodged EOI thru Skill Select
    April 27, 2016 Received invitation to apply for Visa 189 (Nurse)
    May 2, 2016 Lodged application for 189 Visa (Onshore)
    May 11, 2016 CO contacted for Form 80/Medicals of daughter
    June 17, 2016 189 VISA GRANTED Thank you my amazing God :)

    Dec14, 2017 Citizenship application
    March 21, 2019 Citizenship Ceremony :)

    "Happy is the person who learns to wait as he prays and never loses his patience, for God's time is the best time."

  • MissAussieMissAussie Pasig
    Posts: 118Member
    Joined: Aug 21, 2017
    @Cassey hi mam. thank you :) may sample ba kayo for statement of service? or manggaling yun sa HR mismo. kaso previous work ko as a surgery ward nurse volunteer lang, then currently onco nurse as staff nurse
  • nursesamnursesam Philippines
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    @Cassey thanks for the info. I only know about the AHPRA. I still have to check about the ANMAC. How long do you think does it take to finish AHPRA approval? Also, still have to check on my points.
  • CasseyCassey Melbourne, Australia
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    edited September 2017
    @MissAussie Hi, sorry wala eh. Ano yung statement of service? Do you mean Cert of Employment? Yung volunteer work hindi mo siya makiclaim sa ANMAC for experience, Yung paid work lang.

    June 16, 2013 Arrival in Melbourne (AGED CARE)
    Nov 12, 2014 Changed Visa Subclass (572->573) and Course
    Nov 13, 2014 573 Visa Approved
    Mar 2015 Nursing Conversion Course (Deakin Uni) started
    April 13, 2016 Lodged EOI thru Skill Select
    April 27, 2016 Received invitation to apply for Visa 189 (Nurse)
    May 2, 2016 Lodged application for 189 Visa (Onshore)
    May 11, 2016 CO contacted for Form 80/Medicals of daughter
    June 17, 2016 189 VISA GRANTED Thank you my amazing God :)

    Dec14, 2017 Citizenship application
    March 21, 2019 Citizenship Ceremony :)

    "Happy is the person who learns to wait as he prays and never loses his patience, for God's time is the best time."

  • CasseyCassey Melbourne, Australia
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    @nursesam If you will do Conversion Course, you don’t have to get an eligibility letter (LOE) from AHPRA. LOE is only needed for the bridging course. You just need to choose the Uni and submit the requirements and go through the student visa process.

    You’ll only have to apply for AHPRA after finishing your course for registration as a Nurse here in Au.

    We have a points calculator here on the forum. http://pinoyau.info/plugin/page/point-system

    June 16, 2013 Arrival in Melbourne (AGED CARE)
    Nov 12, 2014 Changed Visa Subclass (572->573) and Course
    Nov 13, 2014 573 Visa Approved
    Mar 2015 Nursing Conversion Course (Deakin Uni) started
    April 13, 2016 Lodged EOI thru Skill Select
    April 27, 2016 Received invitation to apply for Visa 189 (Nurse)
    May 2, 2016 Lodged application for 189 Visa (Onshore)
    May 11, 2016 CO contacted for Form 80/Medicals of daughter
    June 17, 2016 189 VISA GRANTED Thank you my amazing God :)

    Dec14, 2017 Citizenship application
    March 21, 2019 Citizenship Ceremony :)

    "Happy is the person who learns to wait as he prays and never loses his patience, for God's time is the best time."

  • MissAussieMissAussie Pasig
    Posts: 118Member
    Joined: Aug 21, 2017
    @Cassey i see. thank you :) madami pala tong paglodge ng docs sa ahpra. ang toxic
  • CasseyCassey Melbourne, Australia
    Posts: 2,812Member, Moderator
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    @MissAussie Just take it easy and do it one at a time until maaccomplish mo lahat. Make sure that you bring the original documents to Au as well because you’ll be needing almost the same set of documents for ANMAC and for PR application once you finish your course.

    June 16, 2013 Arrival in Melbourne (AGED CARE)
    Nov 12, 2014 Changed Visa Subclass (572->573) and Course
    Nov 13, 2014 573 Visa Approved
    Mar 2015 Nursing Conversion Course (Deakin Uni) started
    April 13, 2016 Lodged EOI thru Skill Select
    April 27, 2016 Received invitation to apply for Visa 189 (Nurse)
    May 2, 2016 Lodged application for 189 Visa (Onshore)
    May 11, 2016 CO contacted for Form 80/Medicals of daughter
    June 17, 2016 189 VISA GRANTED Thank you my amazing God :)

    Dec14, 2017 Citizenship application
    March 21, 2019 Citizenship Ceremony :)

    "Happy is the person who learns to wait as he prays and never loses his patience, for God's time is the best time."

  • MissAussieMissAussie Pasig
    Posts: 118Member
    Joined: Aug 21, 2017
    @Cassey yes thank you! one more thing, lahat ba ng requirements nasa agos-40 naman o lahat diba?
  • ishtarishtar Philippines
    Posts: 67Member
    Joined: Sep 21, 2017
    After fit2work ano po next step?
  • CasseyCassey Melbourne, Australia
    Posts: 2,812Member, Moderator
    Joined: Sep 07, 2015
    edited September 2017
    @MissAussie Have you checked the first page of this thread? The requirements are listed there. Yes, seems like the requirements are in AGOS-40 as well.

    June 16, 2013 Arrival in Melbourne (AGED CARE)
    Nov 12, 2014 Changed Visa Subclass (572->573) and Course
    Nov 13, 2014 573 Visa Approved
    Mar 2015 Nursing Conversion Course (Deakin Uni) started
    April 13, 2016 Lodged EOI thru Skill Select
    April 27, 2016 Received invitation to apply for Visa 189 (Nurse)
    May 2, 2016 Lodged application for 189 Visa (Onshore)
    May 11, 2016 CO contacted for Form 80/Medicals of daughter
    June 17, 2016 189 VISA GRANTED Thank you my amazing God :)

    Dec14, 2017 Citizenship application
    March 21, 2019 Citizenship Ceremony :)

    "Happy is the person who learns to wait as he prays and never loses his patience, for God's time is the best time."

  • nursesamnursesam Philippines
    Posts: 12Member
    Joined: Sep 25, 2017
    @Cassey thank you. An agency message me and aside from Bridging Course they are offering another pathway which is CREDIT FOR PRIOR LEARNING(CPL) which can be accomplished for 8 months. I wonder if this is the same with Conversion Course. Any thoughts please. Sorry I just started learning about these stuff and still on the search for better opportunity for me and at fhe same time making myself more informed to avoid being scammed.
  • nursesamnursesam Philippines
    Posts: 12Member
    Joined: Sep 25, 2017
    edited September 2017
    @Cassey i check the point assessment. I'm not so sure if i take the conversion course for 1 year be counted as "yes" on the australia educational qualification since
  • CasseyCassey Melbourne, Australia
    Posts: 2,812Member, Moderator
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    @nursesam With the conversion course, it’s actually a shortened Bachelor’s course because they consider the prior qualification gained but I’m not sure if it’s the same thing. Unfortunately, it wouldn’t count as an Australian education qualification if the course is just a year.

    June 16, 2013 Arrival in Melbourne (AGED CARE)
    Nov 12, 2014 Changed Visa Subclass (572->573) and Course
    Nov 13, 2014 573 Visa Approved
    Mar 2015 Nursing Conversion Course (Deakin Uni) started
    April 13, 2016 Lodged EOI thru Skill Select
    April 27, 2016 Received invitation to apply for Visa 189 (Nurse)
    May 2, 2016 Lodged application for 189 Visa (Onshore)
    May 11, 2016 CO contacted for Form 80/Medicals of daughter
    June 17, 2016 189 VISA GRANTED Thank you my amazing God :)

    Dec14, 2017 Citizenship application
    March 21, 2019 Citizenship Ceremony :)

    "Happy is the person who learns to wait as he prays and never loses his patience, for God's time is the best time."

  • CasseyCassey Melbourne, Australia
    Posts: 2,812Member, Moderator
    Joined: Sep 07, 2015
    @elaine_ Refer to the first page of this thread for the requirements and for the required format of CV and reference letter.

    June 16, 2013 Arrival in Melbourne (AGED CARE)
    Nov 12, 2014 Changed Visa Subclass (572->573) and Course
    Nov 13, 2014 573 Visa Approved
    Mar 2015 Nursing Conversion Course (Deakin Uni) started
    April 13, 2016 Lodged EOI thru Skill Select
    April 27, 2016 Received invitation to apply for Visa 189 (Nurse)
    May 2, 2016 Lodged application for 189 Visa (Onshore)
    May 11, 2016 CO contacted for Form 80/Medicals of daughter
    June 17, 2016 189 VISA GRANTED Thank you my amazing God :)

    Dec14, 2017 Citizenship application
    March 21, 2019 Citizenship Ceremony :)

    "Happy is the person who learns to wait as he prays and never loses his patience, for God's time is the best time."

  • MissAussieMissAussie Pasig
    Posts: 118Member
    Joined: Aug 21, 2017
    Guys, ask ko lang regarding
    Criterion 2: yung template from NMBA website yun isasubmit ko sa school para sila ang magprovide then sila na din mag send to AHPRA?

    Criterion 3: Sa CHED, template from AHPRA, then sila din magsisend ng docs to AHPRA?

    Or pwede naman po ako na ang magsisend ng docs from school na mismo?

    Criterion 8: ano po nirequest nyo directly sa school? With regard to pharma? Thank you sa mga makakasagot
  • nursesamnursesam Philippines
    Posts: 12Member
    Joined: Sep 25, 2017
    @Cassey thanks. By the way, I was checking the requirements for PR. One of them is the IELTS however it's not specified whether it is academic or general.would academic be just fine?
  • CasseyCassey Melbourne, Australia
    Posts: 2,812Member, Moderator
    Joined: Sep 07, 2015
    edited September 2017
    @nursesam Hi, I think immigration accepts both but I’m not sure how particular they are. Maybe email them and see what they say.

    June 16, 2013 Arrival in Melbourne (AGED CARE)
    Nov 12, 2014 Changed Visa Subclass (572->573) and Course
    Nov 13, 2014 573 Visa Approved
    Mar 2015 Nursing Conversion Course (Deakin Uni) started
    April 13, 2016 Lodged EOI thru Skill Select
    April 27, 2016 Received invitation to apply for Visa 189 (Nurse)
    May 2, 2016 Lodged application for 189 Visa (Onshore)
    May 11, 2016 CO contacted for Form 80/Medicals of daughter
    June 17, 2016 189 VISA GRANTED Thank you my amazing God :)

    Dec14, 2017 Citizenship application
    March 21, 2019 Citizenship Ceremony :)

    "Happy is the person who learns to wait as he prays and never loses his patience, for God's time is the best time."

  • nursesamnursesam Philippines
    Posts: 12Member
    Joined: Sep 25, 2017
    Ok, thanks cassey
  • ishtarishtar Philippines
    Posts: 67Member
    Joined: Sep 21, 2017
    Strict po ba sa vaccination record ang AU?
  • CasseyCassey Melbourne, Australia
    Posts: 2,812Member, Moderator
    Joined: Sep 07, 2015
    @ishtar What do you mean with “strict”?

    June 16, 2013 Arrival in Melbourne (AGED CARE)
    Nov 12, 2014 Changed Visa Subclass (572->573) and Course
    Nov 13, 2014 573 Visa Approved
    Mar 2015 Nursing Conversion Course (Deakin Uni) started
    April 13, 2016 Lodged EOI thru Skill Select
    April 27, 2016 Received invitation to apply for Visa 189 (Nurse)
    May 2, 2016 Lodged application for 189 Visa (Onshore)
    May 11, 2016 CO contacted for Form 80/Medicals of daughter
    June 17, 2016 189 VISA GRANTED Thank you my amazing God :)

    Dec14, 2017 Citizenship application
    March 21, 2019 Citizenship Ceremony :)

    "Happy is the person who learns to wait as he prays and never loses his patience, for God's time is the best time."

  • CasseyCassey Melbourne, Australia
    Posts: 2,812Member, Moderator
    Joined: Sep 07, 2015
    @Neydin Just look at the first page of this thread for the requirements so you can start collating your documents. All the best!

    June 16, 2013 Arrival in Melbourne (AGED CARE)
    Nov 12, 2014 Changed Visa Subclass (572->573) and Course
    Nov 13, 2014 573 Visa Approved
    Mar 2015 Nursing Conversion Course (Deakin Uni) started
    April 13, 2016 Lodged EOI thru Skill Select
    April 27, 2016 Received invitation to apply for Visa 189 (Nurse)
    May 2, 2016 Lodged application for 189 Visa (Onshore)
    May 11, 2016 CO contacted for Form 80/Medicals of daughter
    June 17, 2016 189 VISA GRANTED Thank you my amazing God :)

    Dec14, 2017 Citizenship application
    March 21, 2019 Citizenship Ceremony :)

    "Happy is the person who learns to wait as he prays and never loses his patience, for God's time is the best time."

  • CasseyCassey Melbourne, Australia
    Posts: 2,812Member, Moderator
    Joined: Sep 07, 2015
    @lott.online Check the first page of this thread for the requirements. Take note as well na may certain format na binbigay ang ANMAC at AHPRA for the CV and Reference Letter. All the best. :)

    June 16, 2013 Arrival in Melbourne (AGED CARE)
    Nov 12, 2014 Changed Visa Subclass (572->573) and Course
    Nov 13, 2014 573 Visa Approved
    Mar 2015 Nursing Conversion Course (Deakin Uni) started
    April 13, 2016 Lodged EOI thru Skill Select
    April 27, 2016 Received invitation to apply for Visa 189 (Nurse)
    May 2, 2016 Lodged application for 189 Visa (Onshore)
    May 11, 2016 CO contacted for Form 80/Medicals of daughter
    June 17, 2016 189 VISA GRANTED Thank you my amazing God :)

    Dec14, 2017 Citizenship application
    March 21, 2019 Citizenship Ceremony :)

    "Happy is the person who learns to wait as he prays and never loses his patience, for God's time is the best time."

  • KevinDavidsonKevinDavidson Philippines
    Posts: 67Member
    Joined: Jan 15, 2017
    Hi!
    I'm a registered nurse here in the Philippines with 2 years and 6mos(and counting) hospital experience as Emergency Room and Operating/Delivery Room Nurse. Prior to that I worked as a lecturer/clinical instructor in a Care giving school (with Certificate of Employment provided).

    August 21, 2017 Took PTE A
    August 22, 2017 Results came in L80 R84 W87 S86
    September 13, 2017 Completed All AHPRA documents
    September 19, 2017 Change AGOS 40 Form to updated one (September 6, 2017)
    September 21, 2017 Applied for Fit2Work Police Check
    September 22, 2017 Payment received by Fit2work
    September 27, 2017 Fit2work results in. CLEARED
    September 28, 2017 All APHRA DOCUMENTS sent to AHPRA PERTH via DHL Courrier
    October 2, 2017 Documents Received by AHPRA Perth tracked via DHL Tracking Website
    October 5, 2017 Received Email from AHPRA notifying me that they received my documents.

    So far, anjan palang ako.

    1.Gaano katagal kaya sila mag bigay ng LOE ngayon?
    2. If sa Perth ako nagsend ng Documents ko and AHPRA Perth also gave me the LOE, sa PERTH din ba dapat ako mag BP?
    3. how true yung 6 months na daw and BP starting next year?
    4. and kung sakaling dapat sa perth ako mag BP, anong school ang maganda? and kung kahit saan naman, anong school maganda sa Melby or Syndey?
    5. Meron po ba dito target is January or February 2018 Intake? please keep in touch.

    Registered Nurse Perioperative | Age: 30 | English: 20 | Experience: 5 | Bachelor's Degree: 15| Total points: 70 (189) 75 (190) 80 (489)

    August 22,2017- Passed PTE A Exam (L-80 W-84 R-82 S-87 1 sitting)
    September 29, 2017 - Submitted Documents to AHPRA via DHL
    October 2, 2017 - AHPRA Received Documents per DHL Tracking
    October 5, 2017 - Email Received from AHPRA stating that they received my documents.
    November 2, 2017 - Registration Officer 1st contact. Asked for my COGS and Academic Record
    November 14 and 16 - Sent COGS and Academic Record, respectively
    November 20, 2017 - Documents received and uploaded by AHPRA
    November 29, 2017 - Extension Letter received
    December 21, 2017- LOE for a NMBA approved bridging program received
    Feb 2, 2018 - Went for orientation at financing Company
    Feb 4, 2018 Sent application to Lonsdale and SCU
    Feb 22, 2018 Got an interview schedule at Lonsdale
    Feb 28, 2018 Interview done (Lonsdale)
    March 13, 2018 - Offer Letter from lonsdale for May 28, 2018 Intake
    May 24, 2018 - Flight to Melbourne, Australia
    May 28, 2018 - Travelled to Myrtleford, Victoria for the IRON Programme at Alpine Health Institute
    August 7, 2018- Documents for post- bridging AHPRA application submitted via Aupost
    August 15, 2018 - Graduation Day!
    August 16, 2018 - Submitted Bridging Certificate at AHPRA Melbourne Office
    August 22, 2018 - Flight back to the Philippines!
    September 11, 2018 - Flight back to Melbourne.
    September 19, 2018- Officially REGISTERED NURSE of AUSTRALIA!

    Permanent Residency Timeline

    24 September 2018- Applied for ANMAC Skills Assessment
    15 October 2018- positive LOD from ANMAC received! 3years and 1 month experience credited (PERIOPERATIVE)
    15 October 2018 - EOI lodge 189 (70 points) 190 (Vic and NSW - 70+5 points)

    5 November 2018- Invited to apply for Victoria State Nomination
    5 November 2018- Applied for Victoria State Nomination (awaiting for approval)

    11 November 2018- Invited for Visa 189
    13 November 2018- Visa Lodged Onshore (Received Bridging Visa A)
    14 November 2018 - Enrolled to medicare

  • sunshineee28sunshineee28 Philippines
    Posts: 71Member
    Joined: Dec 18, 2016
    edited October 2017
    1. Depende po, mine took 2 months kasi AHPRA told me that I have some documents that needed recertification. If wala namang prob sa documents mo, mas mabilis mong mkukuha, some said 1 month lng yung sa kanila, yung iba less than a month pa nga. Depende rin siguro sa ngpprocess ng papers mo.

    2. Ngpass din ako sa PERTH ng docs ko but sa NSW ang napili kong school. I've read it doesn't matter nmn kung san ka ngpass ng docs.

    3. Not really sure. Meron pa din namang 3 months. My scheduled intake is on FEB 2018. 3 months pa din nmn.

    4. Try researching na lang sa net and read some forum pra sa mga opinion ng iba.

    5. Im for feb 2018.
    @KevinDavidson
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