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  • KlarkSharkKlarkShark Pasig City
    Posts: 5Member
    Joined: Oct 02, 2017
    Hi question lang guys, finished 1 technology course and 2 engineering course already. Do i have to present the diploma's and TOR's of all that? or just the latest only? Thank you.

    Tsaka mas madali nga ba PTE compare to IELTS.
  • dreamer111114dreamer111114 Singapore
    Posts: 24Member
    Joined: May 13, 2015
    @KlarkShark Sorry di ko alam sagot sa unang question mo..Pero about sa PTE vs IELTS, para sa akin, mas ok ang pte. Mas mahirap ung mechanics kasi time pressured at maraming activities going on sa pte, pero in terms of score, mas generous ang pte. I got OBS band 7 sa ielts (with 6 weeks study), pero sa pte, I got 86-90 pts (10 days study). Lahat ng tips sa pte nakuha ko lang dito sa forum (under PTE discussion). Saka sa pte, 1 day lang may result na unlike sa ielts na 2 weeks waiting time hehe.
  • ramon_tuberoramon_tubero Dubai
    Posts: 54Member
    Joined: Oct 09, 2017
    my EA assessment experience:

    Licensed ECE ako by profession
    Applied for 233311 (electrical site/qc engr sa dubai sa construction)
    05/Sep/17: Submitted EA MSA (fast track no RSA)
    21/Sep/17: EA replied: Please provide evidence that will support your career episode 3.
    Notes:
    Evidence can be either of the following:
    1. Actual completion of your thesis or project ( scan of hard copy of publications with group member names signed by your professor).
    2. Appreciation from your superior, customers, professor through emails, awards, etc.
    for relevant skilled assessment: Please provide an UPDATED reference letter (primary evidence), stating the following:
    Company information (logo, address, tel. no, email, website)
    position held
    5 engineering working duties
    working hours
    pay rate/salary
    employment period
    with company stamp and endorsed by HR section (with email address)

    28/Sep/17: Received positive assessment (233311)

    message me if you want to see my narratives and PE statement.

    233311 - Electrical Engineer | Age: 25pts | Education: 15pts | Experience: 15pts | English: 20pts | Total: 75pts

    02-Sep-17 IELTS (GT) LRSW-8/7.5/6.5/6 (T_T)
    05-Sep-17 Submitted Engineers Australia (EA) assessment for 233311 PE Electrical Engr.
    28-Sep-17 EA assessment outcome (positive - 233311)
    08-Oct-17 PTE exam (take 1) (LRSW-88/81/90/79) Thank you Lord!
    09-Oct-17 Updated EOI (189-75 points)
    18-Oct-17 Received invitation (189)
    18-Oct-17 Medical started
    25-Oct-17 Lodged visa application
    09-Jan-18 CO Contact for (a.) transcript (b.) bank statement (c.) UAE PCC
    25-Jan-18 IP pressed
    05-Mar-18 Grant - IED 13/Oct/18 (Thank you po Lord!)
    31-May-18 Big move
    18-Jun-18 Got hired :)
    02-Jul-18 First day of work

  • MLBSMLBS Manila
    Posts: 972Member
    Joined: Sep 11, 2016
    @KlarkShark by course ba sir you mean a bachelor's degree? IMO not as easy ang PTE as you migh think, it's just that getting high scores is more achievable

    233411 Electronics Engineer (Age-30, Educ-15,English proficiency-20, NAATI - 5, Single, - 10 Relative sponsorship - 15)
    95 pts total


    2017


    June 3, 2017 = Graduated from College
    July 8, 2017 = Took IELTS GT
    July 21, 2017 = received IELTS results (LRWS = 8/9/7.5/7)
    August 11, 2017 = Lodged EA assessment (Fast track)
    September 6, 2017 = Received positive EA assessment, lodged EOI (489 Family sponsored - 60 pts)
    September 21, 2017 = Took PTE exam
    September 22, 2017 = Received PTE results (LRSW- 90/90/90/90), lodged 189 EOI (60 pts), updated 489 FS EOI (70 pts)
    September 26, 2017 = Lodged 190 EOI (NSW) 65 pts


    2018


    1 year wait... still no EOI invite. Decided to pursue student visa instead

    Course: Cert IV and Diploma - Work Health and Safety (DNA Kingston)

    October 15, 2018 = offer letter from school
    November 8, 2018 = Medical exam (St. Lukes)
    November 20, 2018 = Paid for tuition
    Novemeber 28, 2018 = Received COE
    December 2, 2018 = Lodged visa, after 1 min, granted!


    2019


    Feb 4 2019 = arrived to Perth


    2020


    Jan 2020 = Age increased to 30 pts
    Jan 20 2020 = Took NAATI
    Jan 26 2020 = Results for NAATI (passed) +5 pts
    Jan 27 2020 = lodged EOI 491 Family
    Feb 10 2020 = invited finally!
    Oct 8 2020 = 491 granted


    2023


    Oct 8 2023 = 191 Lodged
    Oct 30 2023 = 191 granted

  • MLBSMLBS Manila
    Posts: 972Member
    Joined: Sep 11, 2016
    @ramon_tubero pwede din pics sir, I just used pics na naka attach sa mga documents ng projects ko back in college as proof. Kunwari assembly ng antenna, PCB, etc.

    233411 Electronics Engineer (Age-30, Educ-15,English proficiency-20, NAATI - 5, Single, - 10 Relative sponsorship - 15)
    95 pts total


    2017


    June 3, 2017 = Graduated from College
    July 8, 2017 = Took IELTS GT
    July 21, 2017 = received IELTS results (LRWS = 8/9/7.5/7)
    August 11, 2017 = Lodged EA assessment (Fast track)
    September 6, 2017 = Received positive EA assessment, lodged EOI (489 Family sponsored - 60 pts)
    September 21, 2017 = Took PTE exam
    September 22, 2017 = Received PTE results (LRSW- 90/90/90/90), lodged 189 EOI (60 pts), updated 489 FS EOI (70 pts)
    September 26, 2017 = Lodged 190 EOI (NSW) 65 pts


    2018


    1 year wait... still no EOI invite. Decided to pursue student visa instead

    Course: Cert IV and Diploma - Work Health and Safety (DNA Kingston)

    October 15, 2018 = offer letter from school
    November 8, 2018 = Medical exam (St. Lukes)
    November 20, 2018 = Paid for tuition
    Novemeber 28, 2018 = Received COE
    December 2, 2018 = Lodged visa, after 1 min, granted!


    2019


    Feb 4 2019 = arrived to Perth


    2020


    Jan 2020 = Age increased to 30 pts
    Jan 20 2020 = Took NAATI
    Jan 26 2020 = Results for NAATI (passed) +5 pts
    Jan 27 2020 = lodged EOI 491 Family
    Feb 10 2020 = invited finally!
    Oct 8 2020 = 491 granted


    2023


    Oct 8 2023 = 191 Lodged
    Oct 30 2023 = 191 granted

  • gpdatuingpdatuin Mandaluyong
    Posts: 23Member
    Joined: Aug 29, 2014
    @jazmyne18 Thanks for reply. One question, incase na makuha ko eh 65pts, would that be enough to get an ITA within the span of 2 years?
  • KlarkSharkKlarkShark Pasig City
    Posts: 5Member
    Joined: Oct 02, 2017
    @MLBS yes, I got two bachelor's degree and one engineering technology diploma.
  • jazmyne18jazmyne18 Singapore
    Posts: 574Member
    Joined: Jul 04, 2017
    @gpdatuin hello. If hindi naman pro-rata ang occupation mo, you'll get an invite within 2 rounds sa trend ng invitation ngayon. :)

    MAIN APPLICANT: Husband

    2016 07 16 - IELTS Exam
    2016 07 26 - IELTS Result: PROFICIENT <3
    2017 09 11 - EA Assessment [Fast Track]
    2017 09 29 - EA Assessment Outcome: COMPETENT <3
    2017 09 30 - EOI
    2017 10 04 - ITA <3
    2017 11 03 - Lodged Visa 189
    2018 01 15 - Counting ends here, after 73 days: VISA GRANT <3

  • zballesteroszballesteros Japan
    Posts: 120Member
    Joined: Sep 15, 2017
    good day everyone, ask ko lang sana if enough n ung working permit or resident permit dun sa secondary documents na isusubmit meron din akong contract document kaso hndi sya galing sa ministry of labor, between the company and me lang ung contract, dito kasi ako sa japan nagwowork, contractual lang ako dito and yung company ko ay medyo ilag sa mga taxes kaya wala din kaming benefits at di ko alam kung nagbabayad sila ng tax so baka wala ding ITR, ang meron lang akong proof is the contract itself and also pwede naman akong humingi sa kanila ng COE. ano pong maadvice nyo?
  • jazmyne18jazmyne18 Singapore
    Posts: 574Member
    Joined: Jul 04, 2017
    @zballesteros hello! Overseas din kami, 3 lang pinasa namin sa EA pero hindi kasi kami nagpa-RSEA.

    1. Detailed CoE
    2. IRAS (tax certificate dito) - baka may payslip ka para in replacement dito kung sa tingin mo ay wala kayong ITR
    3. work pass

    MAIN APPLICANT: Husband

    2016 07 16 - IELTS Exam
    2016 07 26 - IELTS Result: PROFICIENT <3
    2017 09 11 - EA Assessment [Fast Track]
    2017 09 29 - EA Assessment Outcome: COMPETENT <3
    2017 09 30 - EOI
    2017 10 04 - ITA <3
    2017 11 03 - Lodged Visa 189
    2018 01 15 - Counting ends here, after 73 days: VISA GRANT <3

  • zballesteroszballesteros Japan
    Posts: 120Member
    Joined: Sep 15, 2017
    @jazmyne18 hi salamat sa response. papa RSEA kasi ako, 60 points lang kasi total ko including the 3 yrs experience if ever maka proficient sa english test. so pag di ako nag pa RSEA, 55 points lang. possible kaya na khit COE, work permit, payslip lang ang iprovide ko, ok lng?
  • jazmyne18jazmyne18 Singapore
    Posts: 574Member
    Joined: Jul 04, 2017
    @zballesteros kung magpapa-RSEA ka, suggest ko na ipasa mo lahat ng documents na pwede mo masubmit, including ung contract, salary increase and promotions if any.

    MAIN APPLICANT: Husband

    2016 07 16 - IELTS Exam
    2016 07 26 - IELTS Result: PROFICIENT <3
    2017 09 11 - EA Assessment [Fast Track]
    2017 09 29 - EA Assessment Outcome: COMPETENT <3
    2017 09 30 - EOI
    2017 10 04 - ITA <3
    2017 11 03 - Lodged Visa 189
    2018 01 15 - Counting ends here, after 73 days: VISA GRANT <3

  • zballesteroszballesteros Japan
    Posts: 120Member
    Joined: Sep 15, 2017
    @jazmyne18 thank you ulit sa reply, i just realized today na wala pala kaming Income Tax Return dahil hindi nagbabayad ng tax ang company ko.
    Yung payslip din namin ay ibang company ang naka lagay at Yung contract ko is parang within the company and me lang. Walang record ang
    government dito sa Japan. ang record lang ng government sken is ung working permit ko as an engineer dito sa Japan.
  • dreamer111114dreamer111114 Singapore
    Posts: 24Member
    Joined: May 13, 2015
    Question ko lang po about EA, nag-submit na kasi ako 2days ago and pina-fast track ko..Then chineck ko ulit status ngayon, "awaiting assessment"..Un po ba ang normal na status? And confirm ko lang if may limit sa attachment sa EA? Kasi parang may nabasa ako sa ibang thread na 5mb limit pero sa visa lodge attachment , applicable din ba un sa EA? Di ko kasi nabasa sa MSA booklet about limit , na check ko may mga na-attach akong 7mb na files :(
  • jazmyne18jazmyne18 Singapore
    Posts: 574Member
    Joined: Jul 04, 2017
    @zballesteros okay lang yung 3rd party ung payslip. Normal naman siya for working overseas, ganyan din samin pero sa visa lodgement pa namin ipapasa. Saka ang alam ko, dapat talaga is 3rd party document to prove na paid worker ka. I think sapat na naman ung work pass mo to know na legit employee ka.

    MAIN APPLICANT: Husband

    2016 07 16 - IELTS Exam
    2016 07 26 - IELTS Result: PROFICIENT <3
    2017 09 11 - EA Assessment [Fast Track]
    2017 09 29 - EA Assessment Outcome: COMPETENT <3
    2017 09 30 - EOI
    2017 10 04 - ITA <3
    2017 11 03 - Lodged Visa 189
    2018 01 15 - Counting ends here, after 73 days: VISA GRANT <3

  • jazmyne18jazmyne18 Singapore
    Posts: 574Member
    Joined: Jul 04, 2017
    @dreamer111114 hello! Normal yan, ibig sabihin, nakaqueue ka for assessment. I checked ours daily, minsan almost hourly pa (excited). I noticed the changed in status on the 14th working day (15 working days kasi before ka mabigyan ng case officer sabi sa EA website). Nagchange ung amin ng assessment in progress around 11:30am (Singapore time) tapos around 12:20pm, competent outcome na.

    Keep yourself busy lang para di mo mamalayan gano katagal ka nang naghihintay.

    MAIN APPLICANT: Husband

    2016 07 16 - IELTS Exam
    2016 07 26 - IELTS Result: PROFICIENT <3
    2017 09 11 - EA Assessment [Fast Track]
    2017 09 29 - EA Assessment Outcome: COMPETENT <3
    2017 09 30 - EOI
    2017 10 04 - ITA <3
    2017 11 03 - Lodged Visa 189
    2018 01 15 - Counting ends here, after 73 days: VISA GRANT <3

  • dreamer111114dreamer111114 Singapore
    Posts: 24Member
    Joined: May 13, 2015
    @jazmyne18 Haha true twice ko na chinechek since nag-submit ako, sige titigilan ko na muna bago ako ma-heart attack haha..I hope walang issue sa heavy files na ini-attach ko kasi wala naman akong na-encounter na issue nung nag upload..Thanks thanks :)
  • dekasp517dekasp517 Woodcroft, NSW
    Posts: 1Member
    Joined: May 27, 2017
    Hello po.
    Tungkol po sa English language competency na requirement ng EA, okay lang po ba gamitin yung IELTS result ko from 20 months ago pa or need ko po mag take ulit?
  • jazmyne18jazmyne18 Singapore
    Posts: 574Member
    Joined: Jul 04, 2017
    @dreamer111114 hindi ko pala napansin ung question mo regarding sa file size, parang wala namang ganung requirement si EA bukod sa 300 dpi (na may naipasa nga akong 200 lang kasi yung agency ang nagscan). :)

    MAIN APPLICANT: Husband

    2016 07 16 - IELTS Exam
    2016 07 26 - IELTS Result: PROFICIENT <3
    2017 09 11 - EA Assessment [Fast Track]
    2017 09 29 - EA Assessment Outcome: COMPETENT <3
    2017 09 30 - EOI
    2017 10 04 - ITA <3
    2017 11 03 - Lodged Visa 189
    2018 01 15 - Counting ends here, after 73 days: VISA GRANT <3

  • jazmyne18jazmyne18 Singapore
    Posts: 574Member
    Joined: Jul 04, 2017
    @dekasp517 pwede pa yan, 24 months ang alam kong validity ng IELTS results kung tama ako ng alala.

    MAIN APPLICANT: Husband

    2016 07 16 - IELTS Exam
    2016 07 26 - IELTS Result: PROFICIENT <3
    2017 09 11 - EA Assessment [Fast Track]
    2017 09 29 - EA Assessment Outcome: COMPETENT <3
    2017 09 30 - EOI
    2017 10 04 - ITA <3
    2017 11 03 - Lodged Visa 189
    2018 01 15 - Counting ends here, after 73 days: VISA GRANT <3

  • switpotatoswitpotato Philippines
    Posts: 36Member
    Joined: Jul 19, 2017
    Hi pwede kaya i-submit ko lang SSS at PAGIBIG contribution printouts? Nawala na kasi yong mga payslips ko at ang company di rin makabigay ng ITR kasi matagal na 2007 pa ako nag resign doon. Pumunta ako sa BIR di rin sila makabigay. Meron naman akong COE
  • zballesteroszballesteros Japan
    Posts: 120Member
    Joined: Sep 15, 2017
    @jazmyne18 noted, thank you so much!
  • jazmyne18jazmyne18 Singapore
    Posts: 574Member
    Joined: Jul 04, 2017
    @switpotato hello! Pwede yan, as long as nagreflect na paid employee ka. Hindi ka ba mag-RSEA?

    MAIN APPLICANT: Husband

    2016 07 16 - IELTS Exam
    2016 07 26 - IELTS Result: PROFICIENT <3
    2017 09 11 - EA Assessment [Fast Track]
    2017 09 29 - EA Assessment Outcome: COMPETENT <3
    2017 09 30 - EOI
    2017 10 04 - ITA <3
    2017 11 03 - Lodged Visa 189
    2018 01 15 - Counting ends here, after 73 days: VISA GRANT <3

  • jazmyne18jazmyne18 Singapore
    Posts: 574Member
    Joined: Jul 04, 2017
    @zballesteros walang anuman! Goodluck sa application mo.

    MAIN APPLICANT: Husband

    2016 07 16 - IELTS Exam
    2016 07 26 - IELTS Result: PROFICIENT <3
    2017 09 11 - EA Assessment [Fast Track]
    2017 09 29 - EA Assessment Outcome: COMPETENT <3
    2017 09 30 - EOI
    2017 10 04 - ITA <3
    2017 11 03 - Lodged Visa 189
    2018 01 15 - Counting ends here, after 73 days: VISA GRANT <3

  • switpotatoswitpotato Philippines
    Posts: 36Member
    Joined: Jul 19, 2017
    @jazmyne18 maraming salamat! At solve na problema ko eto nalang i-submit ko SSS at pag-ibig contributions
  • jazmyne18jazmyne18 Singapore
    Posts: 574Member
    Joined: Jul 04, 2017
    @switpotato Goodluck!

    MAIN APPLICANT: Husband

    2016 07 16 - IELTS Exam
    2016 07 26 - IELTS Result: PROFICIENT <3
    2017 09 11 - EA Assessment [Fast Track]
    2017 09 29 - EA Assessment Outcome: COMPETENT <3
    2017 09 30 - EOI
    2017 10 04 - ITA <3
    2017 11 03 - Lodged Visa 189
    2018 01 15 - Counting ends here, after 73 days: VISA GRANT <3

  • seekerAUseekerAU KSA
    Posts: 254Member
    Joined: Oct 18, 2017
    Hello! Good evening po Sir at Mam! Hihingi lang po Sana ng tulong sa paggawa po ng CPD AT CDR.
    Baka po may pedeng magshare ng sample CPD and CDR for Structural Engineer or Civil Engineer na nakapagpasa na sa EA. MARAMING SALAMAT PO! GOD BLESS!
  • ram071312ram071312 Perth, Western Australia
    Posts: 749Member
    Joined: Sep 21, 2015
    Pa advise naman po, ung kapatid ko po na IE din nagpe prepare ngaun for her Engrs Au assessment both for Standard CDR assessment and relevant skilled employment assessment. Base sa MSA booklet Aug 2017 pag mag papa assess ng relevant skilled employment kelangan ng secondary documents - sa case nya dahil puro local employment naman - 2.1 ITR or tax receipt + 2.2 SS Insurance / Superfund, etc. Ang problema nya ngaun wala syang ITR for 2007-2008 dahil hindi daw sila binigyan ng kopya dati. Tumawag sya sa dati nyang company para humingi ng kopya kaya lang wala na daw dahil nabaha ng ondoy ung files. Sa BIR RDO naman malabo kasi 10 years ago na..Pano kaya un? sayang din kasi ung 16 months of experience nya at sayang din ung nagawa nyang career episode. Ano po kayang puedeng ipalit? may naka experience na po ba dito na walang naipakitang ITR pero umokay sa Engrs Au assessment?

    Maraming salamat po sa lahat ng sasagot.

    RelevantSkilled Employment Assessment
    (Both Primary and Secondary documents are required)
    Employees
    Option 1 Option 2

    Primary Documents
    Reference letter on official company letterhead to:
    1.1 Indicate 5 main duties undertaken, job title or position;
    1.2 Indicate the exact period of employment (commencement and
    completion dates);
    1.3 Be endorsed by the manager/direct supervisor/HR Section (with
    official telephone & email address);
    1.4 Indicate full or part-time with number of work hours;
    1.5 Pay rate;
    1.6 Include the company’s stamp if applicable.

    Secondary Documents (either 2 OR 3)
    2.1 Income Tax Return Acknowledgement or Receipt;
    2.2 Social Security Insurance/ Superfund/ Provident Fund/ Retirement
    Contribution Statement Reports.
    OR
    3.1 Work Permit/ Residence Permit;
    3.2 Official Contract Document from the Ministry of Labour etc..
    (indicating your wage, title and employer’s name).
    Note: 2.1 and 2.2 OR 3.1 and 3.2 must cover the entire employment
    period and indicate your employer’s name
    Primary Documents
    Reference letter on official letterhead to:
    1.1 Indicate the exact period of employment (commencement and
    completion dates);
    1.2 Be endorsed by the manager/ direct supervisor/ HR Section (with
    official telephone & email address);
    Plus, either 1.3 or 1.4
    1.3 Job Offer Letter on employer’s official letterhead with main duties. OR
    1.4 Annual Performance Review on employer’s official letterhead with
    main duties.
    Secondary Documents (either 2 OR 3)
    2.1 Income Tax Return Acknowledgement or Receipt;
    2.2 Social Security Insurance/ Superfund/ Provident Fund/ Retirement
    Contribution Statement Reports.
    OR
    3.1 Work Permit/ Residence Permit;
    3.2 Official Contract Document from the Ministry of Labour etc..
    (indicating your wage, title and employer’s name).

    Note: 2.1 and 2.2 OR 3.1 and 3.2 must cover the entire employment
    period and indicate your employer’s name

    Chemical Engineer || ANZSCO 233111
    Aug.29.2015 - IELTS Schedule
    Sep.11.2015 - Received IELTS Result - [L8.5|R7.5|W6.5|S7]
    Sep.15.2015 - Submitted requirements to EA for assessment
    Sep.19.2015 - Applied for Remarking at IDP Makati
    Nov.04.2015 - Received Remarking Result - Successful: Writing Module changed to Band 7
    Nov.27.2015 - Applied for NBI with husband (with HIT)Dec.14.2015 - Received EA Positive Outcome Letter
    Dec.15.2015 - Submitted EOI Visa 189- 70 points
    Dec.18.2015 - Received ITA
    Dec.19.2015 - Medical at Nationwide Makati (with husband and daughter)
    Dec.22.2015 - Additional test required for daughter : X-ray due to positive PPD skin test
    Dec.22.2015 - Husband's Medical Status: Health Clearance Provided - No Action Required
    Dec.23.2015 - My Medical Status: Health Clearance Provided - No Action Required
    Jan.12.2016 - Lodged Visa Application
    Jan.12.2016 - Front loaded all documents (including Form 80)
    Jan.13.2016 - Daughter's Medical Status: Health Clearance Provided - No Action Required (Thank you Lord!)
    Jan.28.2016 - CO Allocated - GSM Adelaide, requesting for signed Form 815: Health Undertaking Form for my daughter [Day 16]
    Jan.28.2016 - Submitted signed Form 815 for my daughter [Day 16]
    Mar.18.2016 - Visa Grant, Thank you Lord! [Day 50, from Visa Lodgment] IED - Jul.13.2016
    Mar.18.2016 - Booked flight to Brisbane, QLD (via Qantas) for Initial Entry with family on May.29.2016
    Mar.29.2016 - PDOS at CFO
    May.29.2016 - Initial Entry in Brisbane, QLD fulfilled
    Jan.17, 2017 - Hired by an Au company while still in PH
    Jan. 19, 2017 - Resigned from work in PH
    Feb.10.2017 - Big move to Perth, WA with hubby and daughter
    Feb.13.2017 - 1st day of Full Time Work
    Aug 04.2017 - Start of husband's casual work
    Aug.16.2017 - End of Probationary Period, permanent full time employment confirmed
    Oct. 09.2017 - Start of husband's fulltime work (probationary)

  • SirLuisSirLuis Yokohama
    Posts: 14Member
    Joined: Oct 18, 2017
    sa mga Civil engineer and structural engineer dito sa forum, ask ko lang sana kung ano mas ok piliin sa 2 na mas mabilis maiinvite papuntang Au. i think possible naman ako for 70 points but i just want to confirm ano mas mataas ang ceiling sa 2? ang work ko talaga is structural engineer mainly EPC. thanks!
  • SirLuisSirLuis Yokohama
    Posts: 14Member
    Joined: Oct 18, 2017
    hello everyone! ask ko na din kasi ung structural engineer is STSOL while ung civil engineer is MLTSSL, ano b disadvantage? kaso ang work ko lang talaga is more on structural engineer, never ako nakapagsite, so medyo nalilito ako. salamat sa sasagot.
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