Engineers Australia Skills Assessment

haringkingking · March 2020

@katzou99 said:

So sa 75 points, wala pang na-consider na points dun from work experience???

Same tayo, ME ako na may experience sa Power Plant industry. Nominated occupation ko eh ME pero dahil di nila na-feel na akma sa ME 'yung experience ko (which is weird), pinapili ako between Engineering Technologist or Production/Plant Engineer.

Anyway, all the best! Good luck!

Nice bro small world. Kung ganon, anong pinili mo? Kung engineering technologist ba eh macoconsider pa din education natin which is bachelor degree? Tapos kung Production/Plant Engineer naman, macoconsider na ba ang work experience natin? Kahit saan na ako bro basta makakataas ng point hehe although sobra weird satin as ME na di marecognize ang power plant exp.😅

Just refer to my responses in the message box. Production or Plant Engineer ang pinili ko and na-credit naman ang work experience ko. Good luck sayo!

katzou99 · March 2020

@haringkingking ayos hehe salamat boss!🙌🏼

donyx · March 2020

@haringkingking said:

@katzou99 said:
Maraming salamat mga sir sa replies. Ayun bale 75 max na po yun superior na ang english. hehe. Medyo nakakalungkot lang po kasi medyo bias ang definition ng Mechanical Engineer sa Australia kasi more on HVAC, building and design lang yung match. Pano naman yung power plant operator exp katulad ko.😅 One of the major subject pa naman ang power plant sa ME. Sabi po kasi ng agent ko consider ko na lang daw na 0 yung sa exp for now. So ayun, ipursue ko nalang po yung NAATI exam pagdating ko ng sydney. Di rin kasi ako makakakuha ng points from fam kasi di naman pede magsponsor pag Sydney naka-base.😅

So sa 75 points, wala pang na-consider na points dun from work experience???

Same tayo, ME ako na may experience sa Power Plant industry. Nominated occupation ko eh ME pero dahil di nila na-feel na akma sa ME 'yung experience ko (which is weird), pinapili ako between Engineering Technologist or Production/Plant Engineer.

Anyway, all the best! Good luck!

hi @katzou99 Na-try mo na ba iexplore yung details ng production or plant engineer? baka kasi mas akma sayo yung description nun. share ko lang yung experience ko, ECE ako pero working in an oil refinery. Based sa skillcode ng Electronics Engineer, hindi ako makakalusot sa requirement nila dahil ang background ko ay Instrumentation and Control (maintenance and engineering). Pero under production/plant engineer, mas madali ko maipapaliwanag yung mga projects at accomplishments ko sa CDR under this skillcode. Check mo maigi yung details ng bawat skillcode na sa tingin mo ay pwede sayo then evaluate mo yung projects mo before kung pasok sa criteria nila. During the assessment, malaking factor ang CDR para makita ni assessor yung competency mo under your chosen skill kaya doon mo kailangan maipakita sa kanila na yung skill na napili mo ay nararapat based on their criteria. Good luck!

RheaMARN1171933 · March 2020

@katzou99 said:

So sa 75 points, wala pang na-consider na points dun from work experience???

Same tayo, ME ako na may experience sa Power Plant industry. Nominated occupation ko eh ME pero dahil di nila na-feel na akma sa ME 'yung experience ko (which is weird), pinapili ako between Engineering Technologist or Production/Plant Engineer.

Anyway, all the best! Good luck!

Nice bro small world. Kung ganon, anong pinili mo? Kung engineering technologist ba eh macoconsider pa din education natin which is bachelor degree? Tapos kung Production/Plant Engineer naman, macoconsider na ba ang work experience natin? Kahit saan na ako bro basta makakataas ng point hehe although sobra weird satin as ME na di marecognize ang power plant exp.😅

@katzou99 said:

So sa 75 points, wala pang na-consider na points dun from work experience???

Same tayo, ME ako na may experience sa Power Plant industry. Nominated occupation ko eh ME pero dahil di nila na-feel na akma sa ME 'yung experience ko (which is weird), pinapili ako between Engineering Technologist or Production/Plant Engineer.

Anyway, all the best! Good luck!

Nice bro small world. Kung ganon, anong pinili mo? Kung engineering technologist ba eh macoconsider pa din education natin which is bachelor degree? Tapos kung Production/Plant Engineer naman, macoconsider na ba ang work experience natin? Kahit saan na ako bro basta makakataas ng point hehe although sobra weird satin as ME na di marecognize ang power plant exp.😅

I don’t see why your bachelor degree will not be considered for engineering technologist 🤔

katzou99 · March 2020

@donyx Nice sir hehe nag-agent po ba kayo? Edi sabihin ko nalang po sa agent ko ay as Production or Plant engineer nalang po? Wala naman pong kaso sakin yun as long as may maccredit na work experience. Makakatulong pa para makataas ng points hehe.

katzou99 · March 2020

@RheaMARN1171933 Noted po mam. As of now katatapos ko lang po tapusin requirement nung agent ko dito sa Dubai. Isubmit ko na lang po para makapagset ulit ng bagong appointment. Actually tatlo po kasi kaming magaapply with the same exp.

MikeYanbu · March 2020

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RheaMARN1171933 said:

@katzou99 said:

So sa 75 points, wala pang na-consider na points dun from work experience???

Same tayo, ME ako na may experience sa Power Plant industry. Nominated occupation ko eh ME pero dahil di nila na-feel na akma sa ME 'yung experience ko (which is weird), pinapili ako between Engineering Technologist or Production/Plant Engineer.

Anyway, all the best! Good luck!

Nice bro small world. Kung ganon, anong pinili mo? Kung engineering technologist ba eh macoconsider pa din education natin which is bachelor degree? Tapos kung Production/Plant Engineer naman, macoconsider na ba ang work experience natin? Kahit saan na ako bro basta makakataas ng point hehe although sobra weird satin as ME na di marecognize ang power plant exp.😅

@katzou99 said:

So sa 75 points, wala pang na-consider na points dun from work experience???

Same tayo, ME ako na may experience sa Power Plant industry. Nominated occupation ko eh ME pero dahil di nila na-feel na akma sa ME 'yung experience ko (which is weird), pinapili ako between Engineering Technologist or Production/Plant Engineer.

Anyway, all the best! Good luck!

Nice bro small world. Kung ganon, anong pinili mo? Kung engineering technologist ba eh macoconsider pa din education natin which is bachelor degree? Tapos kung Production/Plant Engineer naman, macoconsider na ba ang work experience natin? Kahit saan na ako bro basta makakataas ng point hehe although sobra weird satin as ME na di marecognize ang power plant exp.😅

I don’t see why your bachelor degree will not be considered for engineering technologist 🤔

mas piliin nyo na production/ plant engineer, non quota occupation, ME at engineering technologits falls on quota occupation ibig sabihin mataas ang points kailangan at pahirapan ma invite pag non quota occupation mas malki chance nyo ma invite.....

katzou99 · March 2020

@MikeYanbu sige po sir noted po. Thanks din po sa advice!🙌🏼

joysee · March 2020

Question po: wala po ako work now since July 2019. Makakaaffect po kaya sa decision ng EA and Immigration ang pagiging unemployed ko during the process? Meron po ba sa inyo same case ko? Thank you in advance

RheaMARN1171933 · March 2020

@joysee said:
Question po: wala po ako work now since July 2019. Makakaaffect po kaya sa decision ng EA and Immigration ang pagiging unemployed ko during the process? Meron po ba sa inyo same case ko? Thank you in advance

Your employment status isn’t an issue as long as you’re claiming the accurate points

Robbie · March 2020

Hello po!

baka pedeng makahingi ng sample CDR, bale structural engineer ang work experience mostly sa analysis and calculations. Nagpaplano po kami ni misis na magpa assess sa EA. kung sino man po ang makakapagshare ng CDR, paki-send sa email ko.

[email protected]

Maraming salamat po!

mayih · April 2020

@Robbie said:
Hello po!

baka pedeng makahingi ng sample CDR, bale structural engineer ang work experience mostly sa analysis and calculations. Nagpaplano po kami ni misis na magpa assess sa EA. kung sino man po ang makakapagshare ng CDR, paki-send sa email ko.

[email protected]

Maraming salamat po!

Ako din po. Pahingi din po nang sample career episode for Civil Engineer. Please send me a PM para mabigay ko email address. Salamat po.

Enhinyero19 · April 2020

Hi to all,
Nakatanggap na po ako ng result sa CDR skill assessment and it was successful and as a professional engineer. sa lahat po ng tumulong, marame pong salamat lalo na kay @ms_ane .

Ngayon nag submit na po ako ng aking EOI. ask ko lang po sana kung ilang points ang minimum reqd sa Subclasses 189, 190 at 491? Malaki po ba chance na maka receive ako ng invitation?

Again thanks to the group.

RA28 · April 2020

Hi! Newbie here. Seeking advice for which occupation to nominate.
I'm a Mechanical Engineering graduate with experience in facilities management. The role included operation and maintenance of building systems such as centralised air-conditioning, fire protection, domestic water, emergency power (generator), lift, etc. Medyo confused lang ako which one to choose between

233512 MECHANICAL ENGINEER

Plans, designs, organises and oversees the assembly, erection, commissioning, operation and maintenance of mechanical and process plant and installations. Registration or licensing may be required.
Skill Level: 1

Specialisations:

Airconditioning Engineer
Building Services Engineer
Heating and Ventilation Engineer

and

149913 FACILITIES MANAGER

Alternative Title:
Building Manager

Organises, controls and coordinates the strategic and operational management of buildings and facilities in a public and private organisations to ensure the proper and efficient operation of all physical aspects of a facility, to create and sustain safe and productive environments for occupants.
Skill Level: 2

Specialisation:

Shopping Centre Manager

I'm currently more of an FM since I control the operational management of the buildings and facilities that we manage.

I'm looking for any advantage if I choose one over the other aside from the fact that if I want 189, I'd have to go with Mechanical Engineer. Any advice would be appreciated

haringkingking · April 2020

@RA28 said:
Hi! Newbie here. Seeking advice for which occupation to nominate.
I'm a Mechanical Engineering graduate with experience in facilities management. The role included operation and maintenance of building systems such as centralised air-conditioning, fire protection, domestic water, emergency power (generator), lift, etc. Medyo confused lang ako which one to choose between

233512 MECHANICAL ENGINEER

Plans, designs, organises and oversees the assembly, erection, commissioning, operation and maintenance of mechanical and process plant and installations. Registration or licensing may be required.
Skill Level: 1

Specialisations:

Airconditioning Engineer
Building Services Engineer
Heating and Ventilation Engineer

and

149913 FACILITIES MANAGER

Alternative Title:
Building Manager

Organises, controls and coordinates the strategic and operational management of buildings and facilities in a public and private organisations to ensure the proper and efficient operation of all physical aspects of a facility, to create and sustain safe and productive environments for occupants.
Skill Level: 2

Specialisation:

Shopping Centre Manager

I'm currently more of an FM since I control the operational management of the buildings and facilities that we manage.

I'm looking for any advantage if I choose one over the other aside from the fact that if I want 189, I'd have to go with Mechanical Engineer. Any advice would be appreciated

My advice to you is to seek for the occupation that you can easily justify for assessment.

RheaMARN1171933 · April 2020

@haringkingking said:

@RA28 said:
Hi! Newbie here. Seeking advice for which occupation to nominate.
I'm a Mechanical Engineering graduate with experience in facilities management. The role included operation and maintenance of building systems such as centralised air-conditioning, fire protection, domestic water, emergency power (generator), lift, etc. Medyo confused lang ako which one to choose between

233512 MECHANICAL ENGINEER

Plans, designs, organises and oversees the assembly, erection, commissioning, operation and maintenance of mechanical and process plant and installations. Registration or licensing may be required.
Skill Level: 1

Specialisations:

Airconditioning Engineer
Building Services Engineer
Heating and Ventilation Engineer

and

149913 FACILITIES MANAGER

Alternative Title:
Building Manager

Organises, controls and coordinates the strategic and operational management of buildings and facilities in a public and private organisations to ensure the proper and efficient operation of all physical aspects of a facility, to create and sustain safe and productive environments for occupants.
Skill Level: 2

Specialisation:

Shopping Centre Manager

I'm currently more of an FM since I control the operational management of the buildings and facilities that we manage.

I'm looking for any advantage if I choose one over the other aside from the fact that if I want 189, I'd have to go with Mechanical Engineer. Any advice would be appreciated

My advice to you is to seek for the occupation that you can easily justify for assessment.

That’s correct. Always stick with facts, meaning base everything on the evidences that you can provide rather the ideal outcome you would hope for. You might find that application for facilities manager is less competitive than mechanical engineer which would be to your advantage.

RA28 · April 2020

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@haringkingking said:

@RA28 said:
Hi! Newbie here. Seeking advice for which occupation to nominate.
I'm a Mechanical Engineering graduate with experience in facilities management. The role included operation and maintenance of building systems such as centralised air-conditioning, fire protection, domestic water, emergency power (generator), lift, etc. Medyo confused lang ako which one to choose between

233512 MECHANICAL ENGINEER

Plans, designs, organises and oversees the assembly, erection, commissioning, operation and maintenance of mechanical and process plant and installations. Registration or licensing may be required.
Skill Level: 1

Specialisations:

Airconditioning Engineer
Building Services Engineer
Heating and Ventilation Engineer

and

149913 FACILITIES MANAGER

Alternative Title:
Building Manager

Organises, controls and coordinates the strategic and operational management of buildings and facilities in a public and private organisations to ensure the proper and efficient operation of all physical aspects of a facility, to create and sustain safe and productive environments for occupants.
Skill Level: 2

Specialisation:

Shopping Centre Manager

I'm currently more of an FM since I control the operational management of the buildings and facilities that we manage.

I'm looking for any advantage if I choose one over the other aside from the fact that if I want 189, I'd have to go with Mechanical Engineer. Any advice would be appreciated

My advice to you is to seek for the occupation that you can easily justify for assessment.

That’s correct. Always stick with facts, meaning base everything on the evidences that you can provide rather the ideal outcome you would hope for. You might find that application for facilities manager is less competitive than mechanical engineer which would be to your advantage.

Thanks for the replies! Is it because ME has an occupation ceiling that FM is deemed less competitive?

RheaMARN1171933 · April 2020

@RA28 said:

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@haringkingking said:

@RA28 said:
Hi! Newbie here. Seeking advice for which occupation to nominate.
I'm a Mechanical Engineering graduate with experience in facilities management. The role included operation and maintenance of building systems such as centralised air-conditioning, fire protection, domestic water, emergency power (generator), lift, etc. Medyo confused lang ako which one to choose between

233512 MECHANICAL ENGINEER

Plans, designs, organises and oversees the assembly, erection, commissioning, operation and maintenance of mechanical and process plant and installations. Registration or licensing may be required.
Skill Level: 1

Specialisations:

Airconditioning Engineer
Building Services Engineer
Heating and Ventilation Engineer

and

149913 FACILITIES MANAGER

Alternative Title:
Building Manager

Organises, controls and coordinates the strategic and operational management of buildings and facilities in a public and private organisations to ensure the proper and efficient operation of all physical aspects of a facility, to create and sustain safe and productive environments for occupants.
Skill Level: 2

Specialisation:

Shopping Centre Manager

I'm currently more of an FM since I control the operational management of the buildings and facilities that we manage.

I'm looking for any advantage if I choose one over the other aside from the fact that if I want 189, I'd have to go with Mechanical Engineer. Any advice would be appreciated

My advice to you is to seek for the occupation that you can easily justify for assessment.

That’s correct. Always stick with facts, meaning base everything on the evidences that you can provide rather the ideal outcome you would hope for. You might find that application for facilities manager is less competitive than mechanical engineer which would be to your advantage.

Thanks for the replies! Is it because ME has an occupation ceiling that FM is deemed less competitive?

All occupations are subject to ceilings. One thing to note, FM won’t be eligible fir 189.

antemarm · May 2020

Hi po! I graduated as Electronics Engineer po. Worked in the Philippines as Design Engineer on HVAC (mostly related sa Mechanical Engineering). Then I worked abroad as Design Engineer pa din (Fire & Gas Systems. Then I got my current job - Electromechanical Technician in oil and gas.

Paano ko po kaya maipa assess ung experience ko sa EA? Anu po ANZSCO Code ang applicable?

Please help po.. Thank you po..

Pinoy2028 · May 2020

Good day po, ask ko lang po kung yung ipprovide lang na primary and secondary documents(COE/BIR) ay yung experience or company na included sa career episode?.. magkaiba po ksi yung field ko at yung latest lang yung ipapaassess ko, kso di ko sure kung kylangan ko pa balikan ung mga dating company pra dun sa documents. Thanks po.

michtery_aus · May 2020

@Pinoy2028 said:
Good day po, ask ko lang po kung yung ipprovide lang na primary and secondary documents(COE/BIR) ay yung experience or company na included sa career episode?.. magkaiba po ksi yung field ko at yung latest lang yung ipapaassess ko, kso di ko sure kung kylangan ko pa balikan ung mga dating company pra dun sa documents. Thanks

Hello, basta po lahat ng employment na gusto nyong I-claim Ang yrs of experience included man or not in the career episodes, dapat po ay magprovide Ng employment evidences as detailed in MSA. And then for employment na hindi kayo magclaim Ng yrs of experience, then it’s ok to just include it in your CV but no need to provide employment evidences. Once magsusubmit na kayo Sa EA website meron dun under employment history ung box to tick if will claim points or will not claim points. Hope this helps. All the best!

Pinoy2028 · May 2020

Hello, basta po lahat ng employment na gusto nyong I-claim Ang yrs of experience included man or not in the career episodes, dapat po ay magprovide Ng employment evidences as detailed in MSA. And then for employment na hindi kayo magclaim Ng yrs of experience, then it’s ok to just include it in your CV but no need to provide employment evidences. Once magsusubmit na kayo Sa EA website meron dun under employment history ung box to tick if will claim points or will not claim points. Hope this helps. All the best!

Thank you po sa info. Plan ko kasi ung current experience na lng isama ko total 5yrs nmn.. mhirap kasi mgbalik sa mga dating company pra manghingi ng documents..

michtery_aus · May 2020

@Pinoy2028 said:

Hello, basta po lahat ng employment na gusto nyong I-claim Ang yrs of experience included man or not in the career episodes, dapat po ay magprovide Ng employment evidences as detailed in MSA. And then for employment na hindi kayo magclaim Ng yrs of experience, then it’s ok to just include it in your CV but no need to provide employment evidences. Once magsusubmit na kayo Sa EA website meron dun under employment history ung box to tick if will claim points or will not claim points. Hope this helps. All the best!

Thank you po sa info. Plan ko kasi ung current experience na lng isama ko total 5yrs nmn.. mhirap kasi mgbalik sa mga dating company pra manghingi ng documents..

sa panahon po ngayon pataasan po ng points para makakuha ng invite. kung sa palagay nyo po ay it wont add to your points even if you include your past employment, then its ok na wag na habulin. pero kung makakatulong ung past employment to increase your total points, then try to ask them. sayang din kasi ung points. you decide nalang po. all the best!

stocksfaded · May 2020

Hello po,

Ask ko lang po kung pwede po ba magpa-share ng sample CDR for reference, para ma-assess po sa EA.
ECE graduate po ako and nasa Electronics Industry nagtatrabaho.

Kung sino po magshare, pakisend nalang po sa email ko, [email protected]

Thank you and more power po!

Vandan · May 2020

Please help po.

Ask ko lang po kung pano po magrequest ng income tax return satin sa pinas. Employment period po is May 2011 to May 2013.

Pano po ang process at ano po ang mga requirements?
Sa employer po ba or sa BIR?

Maraming salamat po sa makakatulong.

zara · May 2020

Hello po, ask ko lng po if need ko pa rin magpa-assess sa CPA Australia if nkpagpa-assess na ako with 2 yrs. of work experience? As of now ksi meron na akong 3 years of work experience not sure if need ko pa ipa-assess ung 1 yr. work experience ko na with the same job and Company nung una akong nagpa-assess. Thanks po in advance

JamesHall · May 2020

@RA28 said:
Hi! Newbie here. Seeking advice for which occupation to nominate.
I'm a Mechanical Engineering graduate with experience in facilities management. The role included operation and maintenance of building systems such as centralised air-conditioning, fire protection, domestic water, emergency power (generator), lift, etc. Medyo confused lang ako which one to choose between

233512 MECHANICAL ENGINEER

Plans, designs, organises and oversees the assembly, erection, commissioning, operation and maintenance of mechanical and process plant and installations. Registration or licensing may be required.
Skill Level: 1

Specialisations:

Airconditioning Engineer
Building Services Engineer
Heating and Ventilation Engineer

and

149913 FACILITIES MANAGER

Alternative Title:
Building Manager

Organises, controls and coordinates the strategic and operational management of buildings and facilities in a public and private organisations to ensure the proper and efficient operation of all physical aspects of a facility, to create and sustain safe and productive environments for occupants.
Skill Level: 2

Specialisation:

Shopping Centre Manager

I'm currently more of an FM since I control the operational management of the buildings and facilities that we manage.

I'm looking for any advantage if I choose one over the other aside from the fact that if I want 189, I'd have to go with Mechanical Engineer. Any advice would be appreciated

Based upon what you've described you wouldn't get a positive result from Vetassess as a Facilities Manager. This is assuming you're doing the maintenance work. A facilities manager must manage these services, not perform the services. You would need to show that you're NOT reporting to someone who is actually a facilities manager as well (since you're meant to be in that role).

For an engineering outcome the scope would fit Mechanical Engineer provided you're actually doing engineering work - complex problem solving, planning etc. In this particular role I would also expect you to be managing technicians doing the work. If you're doing the hands on work yourself you will face issues with the EA assessment. If you can't show sufficiently complex responsibilities you may end up with an Engineering Technologist outcome instead. Do look into everything carefully.

James Alan Hall
Registered Migration Agent 0428740

JamesHall · May 2020

@zara said:
Hello po, ask ko lng po if need ko pa rin magpa-assess sa CPA Australia if nkpagpa-assess na ako with 2 yrs. of work experience? As of now ksi meron na akong 3 years of work experience not sure if need ko pa ipa-assess ung 1 yr. work experience ko na with the same job and Company nung una akong nagpa-assess. Thanks po in advance

No, in fact you don't need to get work experience assessed by any skill assessing authority (for visa purposes).

The employment points claims are not determined by the assessing authority, even though it may look that way by the results the authorities issue.

This has been re-enforced by a policy change in 2019 that says you can count work experience based upon the ANZSCO skill level requirements if its more favourable than what the authorities say.

Short summary, you can claim relevant skilled work experience after your relevant degree whether it's on the assessment outcome or not.

James Alan Hall
Registered Migration Agent 0428740

zara · May 2020

@JamesHall said:

@zara said:
Hello po, ask ko lng po if need ko pa rin magpa-assess sa CPA Australia if nkpagpa-assess na ako with 2 yrs. of work experience? As of now ksi meron na akong 3 years of work experience not sure if need ko pa ipa-assess ung 1 yr. work experience ko na with the same job and Company nung una akong nagpa-assess. Thanks po in advance

No, in fact you don't need to get work experience assessed by any skill assessing authority (for visa purposes).

The employment points claims are not determined by the assessing authority, even though it may look that way by the results the authorities issue.

This has been re-enforced by a policy change in 2019 that says you can count work experience based upon the ANZSCO skill level requirements if its more favourable than what the authorities say.

Short summary, you can claim relevant skilled work experience after your relevant degree whether it's on the assessment outcome or not.

James Alan Hall
Registered Migration Agent 0428740

@JamesHall This is duly noted. Thank you Sir

JamesHall · May 2020

@zara said:

@JamesHall said:

@zara said:

Short summary, you can claim relevant skilled work experience after your relevant degree whether it's on the assessment outcome or not.

James Alan Hall
Registered Migration Agent 0428740

@JamesHall This is duly noted. Thank you Sir

There is one exception. Some states/territories want to see the experience on the skill assessment. This is mainly for ACS and mainly NSW and Qld. So just be aware of what the state/territory expects!

James Alan Hall
Registered Migration Agent 0428740