Questions regarding Initial Entry Date

emboll33 · June 2013

We are contemplating on doing Initial entry to australia until we are ready to settle but we still have some things we're not sure about:
1. How long do we need to stay in australia to "satisfy" this Initial entry?
2. After we leave, how long can we stay outside of australia before going back again?
3. Is there a window or a deadline on when we should be back?
4. How many days or weeks needed to accomplish all the necessary stuff like centrelink, TFN etc.?

Btw, we have visa subclass 189.
Thanks.

lock_code2004 · June 2013

@emboll33

1.there is no minimum number of days required.. you can enter australia and fly out the same day...

2. you should return to AU before your visa expires (5 yrs from your visa grant date). but you should know the implications of this..

3. same as no. 2

4. opening a bank account and enrolling in medicare can be done in 1 hour .. TFN is online, you should provide an AU postal address, they will send the mail with the TFN after 2wks.

peach17 · June 2013

hi @lock_code2004, ano po yung TFN? sorry po, wala pa akong idea about this.

TasBurrfoot · June 2013

hi @lock_code2004, ano po yung TFN? sorry po, wala pa akong idea about this.

ito yung TIN natin sa Pinas...

peach17 · June 2013

hi @lock_code2004, ano po yung TFN? sorry po, wala pa akong idea about this.

ito yung TIN natin sa Pinas...

thanks @psychoboy, need po ba yan iapply before going to AU?
Or pwedeng pag andun na? May advantage po ba pag early nag apply?

TasBurrfoot · June 2013

hi @lock_code2004, ano po yung TFN? sorry po, wala pa akong idea about this.

ito yung TIN natin sa Pinas...

thanks @psychoboy, need po ba yan iapply before going to AU?
Or pwedeng pag andun na? May advantage po ba pag early nag apply?

Ganito kasi yun, kailangan nasa Australia ka when you apply; when you apply online, you will be required to place your passport number. The database sa ATO is connected sa DIAC so from the passport details mo malalaman if nasa Australia ka or not...

Apply with 2 days from entry here - as this will take a while, the sooner you do this, the better!

peach17 · June 2013

thanks @psychoboy for the explanation

after several weeks, may makukuha ka din po bang card?

TasBurrfoot · June 2013

thanks @psychoboy for the explanation
after several weeks, may makukuha ka din po bang card?

there is no card; bibigyan ka lang ng letter with your TFN...

peach17 · June 2013

thanks @psychoboy

emboll33 · June 2013

@lock_code2004
ano mga implications if matagal bago makabalik?

lock_code2004 · June 2013

@lock_code2004
ano mga implications if matagal bago makabalik?

this is applicable for PR Visa holders only.
your visa conditions are:
1. enter before the IED
2. valid to stay permanently in AU
3. cannot enter after the visa expiration date

for point 2, pwede ka mag stay sa AU kahit kelan,
but point 3 means, hindi kana pwede pumasok sa AU after mag expire ng visa mo (5 years from visa grant date).

So kung sasagarin mo ang pagbalik mo sa AU, meaning babalik ka lang sa AU pag malapit na ang 5-yr expiration date, pwede ka nmn mag stay sa AU, pero once na lumabas ka at expired na ang visa mo, hindi kana makakabalik... unless mag-apply ka na naman ng panibagong visa called RRV (return residence visa)... panibagong usapin na naman ito..

at isa pa, of course matatagalan ka bago masatisfy ang Citizenship residential requirement na 4 yrs..

amcasperforu · June 2013

thanks sa pag explain @lock_code2004 ang galing talaga

peach17 · June 2013

@lock_code2004
ano mga implications if matagal bago makabalik?
this is applicable for PR Visa holders only.
your visa conditions are:
1. enter before the IED
2. valid to stay permanently in AU
3. cannot enter after the visa expiration date

for point 2, pwede ka mag stay sa AU kahit kelan,
but point 3 means, hindi kana pwede pumasok sa AU after mag expire ng visa mo (5 years from visa grant date).

So kung sasagarin mo ang pagbalik mo sa AU, meaning babalik ka lang sa AU pag malapit na ang 5-yr expiration date, pwede ka nmn mag stay sa AU, pero once na lumabas ka at expired na ang visa mo, hindi kana makakabalik... unless mag-apply ka na naman ng panibagong visa called RRV (return residence visa)... panibagong usapin na naman ito..

at isa pa, of course matatagalan ka bago masatisfy ang Citizenship residential requirement na 4 yrs..

hi @lock_code2004, ibig po ba sabihin dadaan na nman sa mahabang proseso nang paapply para ma"renew" ang VISA?
So if magbakasyon kami sa Pinas after 5 years, hindi na kami agad agad makakabalik sa AU? Need muna mag apply ng RRV?

Saang office po pwede mag apply ng RRV if:
1. you are in Australia
2. you are outside Australia

lock_code2004 · June 2013

hi @lock_code2004, ibig po ba sabihin dadaan na nman sa mahabang proseso nang paapply para ma"renew" ang VISA?
So if magbakasyon kami sa Pinas after 5 years, hindi na kami agad agad makakabalik sa AU? Need muna mag apply ng RRV?

Saang office po pwede mag apply ng RRV if:
1. you are in Australia
2. you are outside Australia

hi.. if you stay in Australia in 4 years, then pwede kana mag apply ng citizenship..
so kung babalik ka sa pinas after 5 years, AU passport holder kana, that means you dont need to apply for RRV anymore...

Mag apply ka lang ng RRV kung nagexpire na ang PR visa mo, at hindi kapa nagiging AU citizen..

i don't know how long and how much is the RRV application...

TasBurrfoot · June 2013

@lock_code2004
ano mga implications if matagal bago makabalik?
this is applicable for PR Visa holders only.
your visa conditions are:
1. enter before the IED
2. valid to stay permanently in AU
3. cannot enter after the visa expiration date

for point 2, pwede ka mag stay sa AU kahit kelan,
but point 3 means, hindi kana pwede pumasok sa AU after mag expire ng visa mo (5 years from visa grant date).

So kung sasagarin mo ang pagbalik mo sa AU, meaning babalik ka lang sa AU pag malapit na ang 5-yr expiration date, pwede ka nmn mag stay sa AU, pero once na lumabas ka at expired na ang visa mo, hindi kana makakabalik... unless mag-apply ka na naman ng panibagong visa called RRV (return residence visa)... panibagong usapin na naman ito..

at isa pa, of course matatagalan ka bago masatisfy ang Citizenship residential requirement na 4 yrs..

hi @lock_code2004, ibig po ba sabihin dadaan na nman sa mahabang proseso nang paapply para ma"renew" ang VISA?
So if magbakasyon kami sa Pinas after 5 years, hindi na kami agad agad makakabalik sa AU? Need muna mag apply ng RRV?

Saang office po pwede mag apply ng RRV if:
1. you are in Australia
2. you are outside Australia

Getting an RRV requires some criteria like you need to stay for a period of how many months sa Australia, etc... This is all in the DIAC website but to be honest I have not read anyone getting this. Chances are nagpapa citizen ang mga Pinoy after 4 yrs so di na applicable ang RRV,.

peach17 · June 2013

hi @lock_code2004, yung namention nyo po na dapat magstay sa AU ng 4 years para makapag apply ng AU citizenship, ibig po ba sabihin nyan, as in 4 straight years na hindi uuwi ng Pinas?

lock_code2004 · June 2013

hi @lock_code2004, yung namention nyo po na dapat magstay sa AU ng 4 years para makapag apply ng AU citizenship, ibig po ba sabihin nyan, as in 4 straight years na hindi uuwi ng Pinas?

pwede nmn po umuwi:
- hindi dapat lumampas ng 12 months na wala sa AU sa loob ng 4 years,
- AT hindi din dapat lumagpas ng 90 days na wala sa AU ( 12 months prior to application date)
- eto pa, hindi dapat tumira ng more than 90 days sa bawat lugar overseas, para hindi kayo i-require ng Police Clearance overseas.

here is the thread about Citizenship and RRV:

http://www.pinoyau.info/discussion/708/permanent-residence-citizenship-resident-return-visa/p1

anastacia0228 · June 2013

Mejo OT po ito, hinde ko po kasi alam sang thread ito dapat..

May i-clarify lang po ako.. Kasi po, diba meron pa pong tayong PDOS from CFO before leaving sa PH.. e since yung husband ko po, he attended na po PDOS before leaving to other country, so ok na po un, tama po ba? nde na po applicable sa kanya yun when he enters AU, since nde na po siya galing sa PH? ala po bang hinihingi sa AU na slip na proof of PDOS? or PDOS is "exclusively" before leaving PH lang po talaga, ala na pong connection ito sa entry of the country?

TasBurrfoot · June 2013

Mejo OT po ito, hinde ko po kasi alam sang thread ito dapat..

May i-clarify lang po ako.. Kasi po, diba meron pa pong tayong PDOS from CFO before leaving sa PH.. e since yung husband ko po, he attended na po PDOS before leaving to other country, so ok na po un, tama po ba? nde na po applicable sa kanya yun when he enters AU, since nde na po siya galing sa PH? ala po bang hinihingi sa AU na slip na proof of PDOS? or PDOS is "exclusively" before leaving PH lang po talaga, ala na pong connection ito sa entry of the country?

Am speaking as per my experience on a PR Visa here in Australia; mayroon kasing sticker na nilalagay sa passport mo and naka-indicate dito ang country of destination, like in our case Australia. Ito yung hinahanap ng immigration officials in the Philippines...

Hope this helps!

lyte · June 2013

@anastacia0228 yes tama ka.if hubby e manggaling sa ibang bansa to Au, no need to attend PDOS or obtain CFO sticker.pero pag uuwi sya ng pnas at balik Au at ala sticker sa passport, kelngan nya kumuha pra walng hassle.yun ang alam ko.

lock_code2004 · June 2013

@anastacia0228 - tama sila.. iba po ang PDOS per country of destination..
of course iba iba nmn ang conditions ng bawat country, so yun ang objective ng PDOS, para malaman mo ang mga basic things you need to know per country of destination.

anastacia0228 · June 2013

Salamat po sa mga ngreply, very much appreciated po sa pagKlaro

Hehe, lubusin ko napo, ok lang po ba na nde po kme magksabay magIntial entry ni husband? Ako po ung main applicant, pro mauuna po sa aken ng pasok sa AU si husband. Ala po bang magiging problema sa ganong setup? Yung grant notification lang po ba ang kailangan po sa akin ni husband pagpasok nya po sa AU?

Thank you po ult in advance

lock_code2004 · June 2013

@anastacia0228 paki check po ang visa conditions nyo. Baka merong nakalagay na hndi pwdd mauna ang secondary applicant..

anastacia0228 · June 2013

@lock_code2004 salamat po sir sa pagsagot.. binasa kopo ulet ung notification, ala nmn pong nakaIndicate na condition(s). So, ok lang po na mauna siya sa akin?

peach17 · June 2013

hi @lock_code2004, yung namention nyo po na dapat magstay sa AU ng 4 years para makapag apply ng AU citizenship, ibig po ba sabihin nyan, as in 4 straight years na hindi uuwi ng Pinas?
pwede nmn po umuwi:
- hindi dapat lumampas ng 12 months na wala sa AU sa loob ng 4 years,
- AT hindi din dapat lumagpas ng 90 days na wala sa AU ( 12 months prior to application date)
- eto pa, hindi dapat tumira ng more than 90 days sa bawat lugar overseas, para hindi kayo i-require ng Police Clearance overseas.

here is the thread about Citizenship and RRV:

http://www.pinoyau.info/discussion/708/permanent-residence-citizenship-resident-return-visa/p1

thanks @lock_code2004, sorry for the late reply. galing kasi me bakasyon now lang ulit nakapag check.

ung item @ 2 po, you mean 1 year before the CItizenship application?

peach17 · June 2013

hi lock_code2004, sa amin din wala conditions na nakalagay. baka tinanggal na nila yun?

lock_code2004 · June 2013

@peach17 - i replied to you on the Citizenship/RRV thread:

http://www.pinoyau.info/discussion/708/permanent-residence-citizenship-resident-return-visa/p1

lock_code2004 · June 2013

@peach17 @astacia0228 - kung wala po nakalagay then pwede po mauna ang secondary..

eto po normally ang nakalagay sa secondary applicant:

Visa Conditions: 8502

8502 - Must not enter Australia before specified person
The holder of the visa must not enter Australia before the entry to Australia of a person specified
in the visa.

StickyNote · June 2013

if ever po ba mauna ang secondary applicant pumunta sa Oz, posible ba na una siyang mag-apply ng citizenship? o dapat po mauna mag-apply ng citizenship ang primary applicant? and if ever po ba mauna ang secondary applicant, pwede na din kaya siya mag-apply ng medicare?