Singapore VS Australia VS Canada VS Pinas

TasBurrfoot · February 2014

Nakakalungkot isipin, most of my olds friends here in SG are either in OZ now or decided to go back home sa pinas. @TasBurrfoot oo nga yan din ang sigaw ng mga umalis na dito at kilala namin paalis na. "SG dont want us or doesnt need me".

Tough times kasi sa SG ngayon boss @Admin... Good if you've got a job there so let the good times roll however mahirap makahanap ng work (or even renew an existing pass).

Looks like the locals have finally manage to get the attention of the ruling party this time.

kookie420 · February 2014

@TasBurrfoot, korek.

cholle · February 2014

Ngayon lang ako nagka-time basahin 'tong thread na 'to pero super informative! Agree with most of the sentiments re Ph and Sg, looking forward to experiencing the good things (maybe a bit of the bad too, for learning lang) in Au.

Share ko lang: Me and my fiance (who is French) met in Sg, and we had different plans initially. Ako, tulad ng karamihan sa atin, was not planning to stay long here. Medyo late na ako lumipat dito eh (2011), after pa ng eleksyon kaya sobrang hirap nung umpisa. My job here is so-so, I had a better job in Pinas (title-wise and more fulfilling), pero yung perang kinikita ko rito sa Sg hinding-hindi ko kikitain sa Pinas. Si fiance naman, gusto sana mag-retire dito. Tulad ng maraming ang moh (hehe) he thought it would be a good place to retire kase malaki nga sweldo nya rito. Pero baka dahil na rin magkasama na kami, unti-unti niyang nakita yung ugly side of Sg. Plus EP lang rin naman din sya, so may chance na matapos na ang happy days nya soon.

We're sick and tired of Sg as well. So... we thought we need to get out of Sg soon. The sooner, the better.

We thought of Pinas, kaso mukhang hindi nga ganung ka-promising ang situation ng Pinas diba. Plus di rin makakahanap ng trabaho si fiance dun that will match what he's earning here in Sg.

We wanted Canada initially. Of course he's French, e di gusto nya doon! Pero ang tagal daw nung proseso. E di ba nagmamadali nga kami. Baka next time na lang siguro.

We also thought of NZ, pero job prospects nya doon mukhang malabo. Sa akin, may chance.

Eventually we decided to go for Au kase mukhang okay job prospects namin pareho, tsaka mabilis and straightforward ang proseso ng pag-apply.

byaergina · August 2014

Hello everyone! Newbie here and super duper thankful I found this site/forum. My husband and I are in the process of gathering all our requirements for skills assessment. Hoping we get a positive response from ACS and AIM. Anyway, will read through all topics muna - sobrang informative lang lahat!

rareking · August 2014

@cholle good choice! You can try out Oz first then later on kapag naayos na ang sistema ng Canada.. reevaluate your options then move again if needed.. but most na nagstay sa Oz ay hindi na umalis yata... hehehe.. thanks for sharing your story..

atchino · September 2014

To balance the perspective.

Same thing din naman dito sa Australia na nag rereklamo na ang mga Austrlaian about in-flow of migrants.

Ni rerequest nila na limitahan na ng government dahil nawawalan silang trbaho or bakit tumataas unemployment ng Australia.

Bkit nag stay sa Austrlaia for good?
- mosty becaue of the medical reason

Madalas ko na marining sa mga kababayan natin na gusto pa rin nila mg retire sa pinas.

Kahit ako, bago ako pumunta dito sa Aus, nasa isip ko na magreretire pa rin ako sa pinas at dadalin ko kayamanan ko sa pinas at dun ko gagastusin parmkatulong sa economiya.
Iba parin yung nasa sarili mong bansa.. kasama mo mga relatives mo at mga kababata at kaibigan.

Pero na obserbahan ko na or mga na kilala ko na nag reretire or malapit na mag retire dito... eh hindi pa rin sila makauwi ng pinas or sinubukan umuwi ng pinas pero bumalik pa rin ng australia.

Bakit?
- dahil sa medical expenses

Pag mag retire / medyo tumanda na / madali na mag kasakit or dun na lumalabas ang mga problema sa katawan.

May nakilala ako na nag retire na dito sa Austrlaia dahil gusto na nila bumalik sa pinas kahit may mga anak sila na migrant na rin dito sa Austrlaia. Kinuha ang SUPER at blak na lang invest sa pinas like mag patayo ng apertment na paupahan para source of income at hindina sial mag work... spend time s mga ka batchmate sa school.. reunion / travel-travel / bakasyaon since mas mababa ang cost of living.

Pero eventually mag kakasakit or mag kaka problem sa health....

Nagkasakit at kailangan ng manintenance checkup at gamot..... no choice kundi mag pa balik balik sila sa australia for treatment. Eventually, bumalik na ulit ng australia dahil napapadalas na yung medical treatment at mas mura or subsidize yung gamot.

FOR NOW, maganda pa medical system ng austrlaia. Pero who knows inthe future kung kaya pa ma sustain ng AUS and FREE medical check up at mga free or discounted na gamot.

- Starting next year, mag start na sila na co-payment s medical check up. Same in US, may co-payment ka babayaran kung nag papacheck up.

It is good and bad.... good kasi magdadalwang isip yung mga nag papa check up na hindi naman kailangan at nangaabuso sa sistema. Bad, kasi kahit yung mga hidi umaabuso sa systema - nadamay na magbayad ng co-payment.

Tinaas na rin ng Australia ang retirement age - nasa 67 na "yata"

Maging open lang tyo sa mga posibility.

lester_lugtu · September 2014

Nothing beats life in the Philippines!

Maka-ipon lang ako d2 sa OZ, maybe after 2yrs, uuwi nako ng Pinas.

Iba pa din kapag nasa sarili mo kang bansa, ang kailangan mo lang eh makuntento.

Maganda ang buhay d2 sa Australia, malinis, tahimik, mababait ang mga tao, relaxed.

Sa Pilipinas, lahat kabaligtaran. Panay struggles. Pain. Kahirapan.

But that what makes us human naman db,,,

Ngaun kung takot ka isang bansa na panay krimen, politika at kahirapan, d2 ka na nga lang sa OZ makipag-tsaa maghapon sa mga puti.

Ako? Uuwi pa din ako ng bansa natin. Kahit super tagilid na ang buhay dun. Simple lang, pilipino ako, hindi ako puti!

vhoythoy · September 2014

Nothing beats life in the Philippines!

Maka-ipon lang ako d2 sa OZ, maybe after 2yrs, uuwi nako ng Pinas.

Iba pa din kapag nasa sarili mo kang bansa, ang kailangan mo lang eh makuntento.

Maganda ang buhay d2 sa Australia, malinis, tahimik, mababait ang mga tao, relaxed.

Sa Pilipinas, lahat kabaligtaran. Panay struggles. Pain. Kahirapan.

But that what makes us human naman db,,,

Ngaun kung takot ka isang bansa na panay krimen, politika at kahirapan, d2 ka na nga lang sa OZ makipag-tsaa maghapon sa mga puti.

Ako? Uuwi pa din ako ng bansa natin. Kahit super tagilid na ang buhay dun. Simple lang, pilipino ako, hindi ako puti!

Goodluck sayo. Nasa tao naman yan kung saan sya magiging masaya wala yan sa lugar. Kaya hindi ako nagtataka kung may umuuwi ng pinas kahit ok na buhay sa abroad or nagaabord kahit maayos buhay sa Pinas. People can be perfectly happy whether sa pinas, sa US, Australia, Canada, etc.

I have same sentiments several years ago when i first came here sa Singapore. Two years lang uwi na makaipon lang ng konti kasi mas masarap sa pinas. I don't even consider changing citizenship. Sobra akong makabayan at sentimental.

Pero eto ako ngaun, going 6 years na and no plans to go back and spend my productive years in Pinas. Bakasyon, oo pwede, pwedeng pwede. Iba pa rin kasi talaga sa Pinas. And i'm looking forward to get that Australian passport 4 years from now. Its my decision, not necessarily because i hate pinas or being pinoy. I believe It will be best for me and my family.

There are a lot of things na natutunan ko being an OFW for 6 years. Bukod sa dapat eh matatag ang loob mo (malabanan ang homesick/ lungkot), pagiging madiskarte at pakikisama, natutunan ko din na makaka adjust ka at masasanay sa isang di pamilyar na lugar in time. Nasanay na ako sa maayos na sistema/ pamamalakad, maayos na sweldo, maayos na buhay. So hindi na ako babalik, sa dating gawi/ dating buhay. Lalo na may anak na ako. Para sa akin maganda may options tayo sa buhay. Kung pagdating ng araw gusto nya sa pinas, then its his choice, which i don't have before.

Another thing that makes me want to migrate and live outside Pinas is the feeling of unknown/ uncertainty. Life is an adventure , an exciting a journey and i am looking forward to it. Ayoko na may mga regrets ako pagdating ng araw, and have more "what ifs".

Goodluck again.

pmzinoz · September 2014

ang drama mates! i respect all your opinions and sentiments, i also have mine.. wherever you are, being happy is a state of mind.. life is too short, make the most of it.

icebreaker1928 · October 2014

Oz pa rin, isipin ko lang na magiging next president e si Binay olats na.

vhoythoy · October 2014

Oz pa rin, isipin ko lang na magiging next president e si Binay olats na.

hoping sana si Grace Poe or Miriam nalang. Other than that, malamang si Binay na nga hahaha!

TasBurrfoot · October 2014

Oz pa rin, isipin ko lang na magiging next president e si Binay olats na.
hoping sana si Grace Poe or Miriam nalang. Other than that, malamang si Binay na nga hahaha!

No president can rescue that downward spiral that the Philippines is in currently...

Unfortunate truth as far as I can see.

wizardofOz · October 2014

I started gathering my stuffs for applying to canada.. then biglang nagbago yung criteria ng saskatchewan, 1 week when I was about to lodged my application.. so I think hindi talaga sya para sakin..

2009 pa lang i was already looking at applying for PR in Australia, but I lack points don't have the funds back then... this time sana magtuloy-tuloy na.

i like Oz better, although mas geographically isolated sya, i don't know pero may pakiramdam ako na mas remote physically and socially ang canada, though kapitbahay lang nya ang US.

vhoythoy · October 2014

I started gathering my stuffs for applying to canada.. then biglang nagbago yung criteria ng saskatchewan, 1 week when I was about to lodged my application.. so I think hindi talaga sya para sakin..

2009 pa lang i was already looking at applying for PR in Australia, but I lack points don't have the funds back then... this time sana magtuloy-tuloy na.

i like Oz better, although mas geographically isolated sya, i don't know pero may pakiramdam ako na mas remote physically and socially ang canada, though kapitbahay lang nya ang US.

Immigration system in Canada for FSW is improving na. Yung roommate ko meron na passport request and last May lang sya nagpasa. Most likely processing now is less than a year na rin. Kung last year open ang accountants most likely nag Canada ako, pero destiny ko na yata mag Australia. Well best choice na rin last year. Solid din mga pinoy groups sa Canada. Yep, geographically isolation isa as problem sa Australia. Pero we have a big continent naman to explore hahaha. Hoping na sana may extra savings to travel to other continents/ countries.

vhoythoy · October 2014

Oz pa rin, isipin ko lang na magiging next president e si Binay olats na.
hoping sana si Grace Poe or Miriam nalang. Other than that, malamang si Binay na nga hahaha!

No president can rescue that downward spiral that the Philippines is in currently...

Unfortunate truth as far as I can see.

Yep, its more of the corruption culture, political system, weak laws and implementation plus poverty and paglaki ng population. Kung ako lang masusunod, bitay agad sa rapist, corrupt officials, drug lords, criminals.

Well unless mag gyera siguro at masakop for fresh start or kaya outsource nalang gov't natin hahaha. O kaya gawing independent state nlang bawat lugar (i.e. Davao, Zambo).

wizardofOz · October 2014

Dagdag ko lang din... dati I used to eye Singapore.

First time ko pa lang pumunta doon, back in 2002, I found the place too expensive, sterile and artificial, with all the man-made attractions and all. Although napaka-unlad and napakalinis.

Pero ngayon, parang wala na kong naririnig na masyadong maganda from anyone i know who is working and living there.

vhoythoy · October 2014

Dagdag ko lang din... dati I used to eye Singapore.

First time ko pa lang pumunta doon, back in 2002, I found the place too expensive, sterile and artificial, with all the man-made attractions and all. Although napaka-unlad and napakalinis.

Pero ngayon, parang wala na kong naririnig na masyadong maganda from anyone i know who is working and living there.

Actually Singapore is a very nice place, lalo na sa mga "single". Hindi na lang maganda ngaun kasi naghihigpit ung gov't in favor of locals. So yung policies ngaun hindi na favorable sa mga work pass holders, even to some existing PR's. Pero patuloy pagunlad nila, 5 years ago wala pa yan mga gardens of the bay, MBS, yellow/blue mrt lines, etc. I have been to Jakarta, Melbourne, Kuala Lumpur and Bangkok, and i would say kakaiba talaga SG. Malinis, maayos, organised and well planned) . Parang naka landscape talaga ung buong tiny country na ito and halos brand new makikita mo sa paligid (hdbs/cars/ walang sira sirang kalye/kalsada well except maybe some areas in Geylang).

And also, after several years in SG you get bored na rin. If you have family, you might think na better to move somewhere else na din. May priorities changes na rin kasi after several years kaya i need to move out na and besides i am not PR here. But still lots of people enjoy the convenience and modern living in Singapore. I can also state lots of things na better ang Singapore as compared to Canada/Australia like crime rate (almost zero kahit petty crime dito is very rare), food (lots of choices), disposable income (low tax rate/ buo sweldo, cheaper cost of living as compared to salary, madaming ways to save), shopping (madaming malls/hindi nagpapahuli sa bago/branded items), night life, technology, maybe weather (weather quite similar to pinas less typhoons and earthquakes), convenience to travel, just to name a few. You can even actually go to pinas everymonth if you like sa lapit at daming budget airlines.

bookworm · October 2014

Naisip ko din lang, dati, ayaw ng mga tao sa AU kasi marami daw racist. But if you think about it, andami na din racist sa SG.

wizardofOz · October 2014

Totoo bang maraming racist sa AU?

Contradicting kasi yung mga nababasa ko at napapanood.. Sabi in AU daw, everyone is friendly, tapos andaming mga videos sa Youtube showing racist slur, hindi lang towards people of color, kundi pati sa mga puti na ibang lahi...

Admin · October 2014

kahit san may racist talaga. My friend in AU visited us yesterday here in SG, she did confirm there's racism but it's up to you how to react. like for her case, she managed to prove her self in the company and gained the respect of her local colleagues.

atchino · October 2014

Naisip ko din lang, dati, ayaw ng mga tao sa AU kasi marami daw racist. But if you think about it, andami na din racist sa SG.

Actually, marami din racist sa pinas.

Sa pag apply nga lang ng work, kailangan Ateneo or LAsalle or UP grad ka para makapasok sa malalaking company or dahil yung mga Top executive or nag hire ay galing ng same school.

Malakas lang tolerance ng pinoy sa mga biruan/joke or dahil nakalakihan na natin at hindi enforce ang racism sa pinas.

Dito kasi sensitive sila sa mga ganung klaseng joke or treatment.

Admin · October 2014

speaking of racist, i just found this in facebook while scrolling the feeds.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=979771752039318&fref=nf

disclaimer: please read the comments of other people. This person doesnt represent the whole Australia. still varies from people to people.

JCsantos · October 2014

I would not like Singapore for sure no pun intended on the other people here

we went there for a week

scenario sa hotel ... kakarating lang namin

Receptionist: --- deadma
Me: Hello! ( para sa receptionist )
Receptionist: --- deadma

?? ganito ba ang customer service sa singapore ...

i post ko bukas yung scene sa immigration

vhoythoy · October 2014

Racist are everywhere naman. In may almost 6 years in Sg i never encountered any direct racism here. Sa internet marami racist pero ganun din nman kahit pinoy marami keyboard warriors. Discriminations maybe to some extent sa jobs/pr approvals.

Sa personal impressions /observations naman sa tao here is my ranking.
1. Jakarta - people in indonesia are generally nice and have high regards to pinoy. They really like our brothers/ sisters. Karamihan lang sa knila di makaintindi ng english. 2. Melbournians - i saw lots of happy people in cbd in our 6 days stay there singing/dancing for no reasons. People seems friendlier lalo na mga puti. 3. Thailanders - they like pinoys din. Masayahin and good sense of humor. Though katulad din ng some pinoys tatagain ka sa presyo kapag alam nila baguhan ka/foreigner (i.e. Tuktuk/ night bazaar). Street smart din dapat. 4. KL - malaysians are nice people in general. 5. SG - in general mababait naman mga local/ kind hearted and disciplined, though may mga ilan pasaway din and some maybe think they are more superior race. Problems lang is in general they seem very serious/ less smiles in their face/ less emotions. Small things they might complain din. Wag ka din masyado magingay/party kapag gabi na at dadalawin ka ng pulis kasi sinumbong ka na. One time sinumbong din kami sa hdb ng kapitbahay namin kasi daw may mga ibang di kilala. One time pinagsabihan ung kasama ko sa bahay kasi medyo nakaharang payong sa dadaanan hahahaha. Sorry wala Canada kasi di pa ako nakapunta pero mababait din daw mga tao dun.

Admin · October 2014

@JCsantos hahaha, yes unfortuntely may mga ganyan. pwede reklamo yan sa management

wizardofOz · October 2014

I think the best way to eradicate racism, is to not tolerate it in the first place.

Sa observation ko lang naman, tayo kasing mga Pilipino, again opinion ko lang, lumaki sa society na generally passive pagdating sa racism..

Sasabihan ka "english-carabao" - to think na halos buong mundo may high regards sa english ability nating pinoy

Sasabihan ka ng Baluga, Pango, Unggoy - samantalang may mga kamukha pala tayo sa southeast asia.

Sinasabihan ang kapwa-Pilipino ng “promdi” at “taga-bundok”

Lumaki tayong ang tingin sa puti ay "life-saver" - sasagipin tayo nang mga yan sa giyera, sasagipin tayo sa bagyo, bibigyan tayo ng dollars at chocolates...

Naobserve ko kasi like for a certain nationality that i know with very strong pride with their own heritage...

1. Hindi kabawasan sa kanila na hindi sila matatas mag-English, ikaw ang dapat matuto na intindihin ang language nila.

2. Ayaw nilang umaasa sa tulong ng iba hanggat kaya nila, sila ang gagawa.

3. Proud sila sa mga sarili nilang produkto, at pinagyayaman nila.. like rice farming, etc...

Kaya kapag nakarinig sila ng kahit anong lahi na umi-insulto sa wika or bansa nila, nagagalit sila talaga.

With that nakukuha nila respeto nung mga Puti at wala kang maririnig na magkokomento ng mga racist slurs, kundi palalayasin sila agad.

Sa Pinas naman, yung ibang Pinoy, hagalpakan pa sa katatawa sa TV kapag may iniisulto.

Pero kapag sila na ang ininsulto.. sasabihin “Racist”.

jantox · October 2014

sabi ng kaibigan ko jan. dedma mo nlnag racism. kahit dito sa sg meron rin. mapapansin mo. gaya ng

1. karga2x ko anak ko sa tren, di ka papaupuin ng isang lahi. tapos biglang may papasok na kaparehong lahi niya na may bitbit ring bata, aba ioffer ang seat sa kanya!
2. pansin lang rin sa taxi, minsan iniiwasan ka lalo na pag nag flaflag ka sa highway tapos biglang magsstop sa unahan dahil kakulay niya.

well the point is, kahit sang lugar meron. wag na lang pansinin para di la lumaki. kasi no matter what you do tayo lugi kasi nasa lupa nila tayo. of course ibang usapan na kung citizen ka na

lester_lugtu · October 2014

Back to topic - Philippines pa din ako.

TasBurrfoot · October 2014

Pero ngayon, parang wala na kong naririnig na masyadong maganda from anyone i know who is working and living there.

Mate Singapore is a very nice place... WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY better than the Philippines!

Food is great, very covenient, very safe (lumalabas ako at maglakad ng 1km to a McDonald's at 2 in the morning kasi nagugutom) - what more can you ask for?

Oh yeah, did I mention a very low tax regime and a salary that is at the least double sa kinikita sa Pinas?

TasBurrfoot · October 2014

Totoo bang maraming racist sa AU?

Contradicting kasi yung mga nababasa ko at napapanood.. Sabi in AU daw, everyone is friendly, tapos andaming mga videos sa Youtube showing racist slur, hindi lang towards people of color, kundi pati sa mga puti na ibang lahi...

Mas maraming racist sa Philippines...