2014 Students dito tayo! ^_^

danyan2001us · March 2014

@musolini ....hi marce....welcome to forum in behalf of all the members here....anyway ang masasabi ko sa share mo though honestly i'm not that familiar with elv prospects dito sa melby...pero yong kasama namin sa bahay ang kinukuha nya ay locksmith at isa yan sa mga malakas na field dito ngayon.....konti pa lang ang kumukuha ng locksmith dito...i am thingking kasi na locksmith is related to what you mentioned na security matters.....pero if magmasters ka just like my wife is doing, mahal ang masters dito at if kasama mo wife/partner mo ok lang dahil unlimited naman work time niya as long as mag umpisa na ang classes mo.....good luck bro.....

danyan2001us · March 2014

@musolini ....hi marce....welcome to forum in behalf of all the members here....anyway ang masasabi ko sa share mo though honestly i'm not that familiar with elv prospects dito sa melby...pero yong kasama namin sa bahay ang kinukuha nya ay locksmith at isa yan sa mga malakas na field dito ngayon.....konti pa lang ang kumukuha ng locksmith dito...i am thingking kasi na locksmith is related to what you mentioned na security matters.....pero if magmasters ka just like my wife is doing, mahal ang masters dito at if kasama mo wife/partner mo ok lang dahil unlimited naman work time niya as long as mag umpisa na ang classes mo.....good luck bro.....

musolini · March 2014

@danyan2001us
hi and thanks for the reply. actually to be more precise my work is related to electronic security systems such as cctv, access control and intruder alarms.

are there good companies there providing these solutions and services? i mean is it easy to get a job on that field in melbourne?
thanks.

danyan2001us · March 2014

@musolini ...sori bro not really that familiar with that field's job market here yet going back to the field of my friend (locksmith), he is presently connected with one of the big companies in Melby and in fact, I hope it will materialize but his employer told him that maybe, after his school, his company will sponsor his 457 visa.....he has plenty of extra jobs aside from his main job....consequently he is able to finance his tuition and that of his 2 girls (9,000/ year for each kid) ..of course he is helped by his wife who is also working as an aged care worker.....

mma1714 · March 2014

Hi! bago lang po ko dito pero matagal ko ng sinusundan ang thread na to.. ask ko lang po, kapag ba yung IELTS OBS is 6.0, malabo na matanggap for postgrad degree in any uni? Target ko po sana yung July intake sa UWS or UNISA kaso sabi sakin ng agent, hindi daw kaya yung score ko. Nagapply po ko sa UOW kasi 6.0 lang yung need na ielts pero hindi rin daw sure yun. Any advice? Sana po may sumagot, ang lungkot kasi kung magreretake ule. Sayang yung effort at money

nicekckyle · March 2014

Hi! bago lang po ko dito pero matagal ko ng sinusundan ang thread na to.. ask ko lang po, kapag ba yung IELTS OBS is 6.0, malabo na matanggap for postgrad degree in any uni? Target ko po sana yung July intake sa UWS or UNISA kaso sabi sakin ng agent, hindi daw kaya yung score ko. Nagapply po ko sa UOW kasi 6.0 lang yung need na ielts pero hindi rin daw sure yun. Any advice? Sana po may sumagot, ang lungkot kasi kung magreretake ule. Sayang yung effort at money

Hi, ang alam ko is dapat not less than 6.0 in every band to qualify for masters.

danyan2001us · March 2014

@mma1714 ...try to enquire sa school ng wifey ko sa Federation University Melbourne CBD Campus....ang needed IELTS nila sa Masters Degree is 6.0 may bago kami friend na darating dito sa Melbourne kasama ang hubby nya...Masters kuha niya pero ino offer sa kanya ng school is 2.5 years (1 semester is graduate certificate sa accounting then next semester is masters in commerce: Professional accounting).....maybe that could be an option for you....good luck

appledeuce · March 2014

Hi! bago lang po ko dito pero matagal ko ng sinusundan ang thread na to.. ask ko lang po, kapag ba yung IELTS OBS is 6.0, malabo na matanggap for postgrad degree in any uni? Target ko po sana yung July intake sa UWS or UNISA kaso sabi sakin ng agent, hindi daw kaya yung score ko. Nagapply po ko sa UOW kasi 6.0 lang yung need na ielts pero hindi rin daw sure yun. Any advice? Sana po may sumagot, ang lungkot kasi kung magreretake ule. Sayang yung effort at money

Hi @mma1714,
Anong postgrad course po ba ang kukunin nyo if you don't mind my asking?
The minimum IELTS score usually depends on the course you are looking to take. I've checked some postgrad courses from UOW and the min. OBS is 6.5.

What you can do is to inquire online directly with your school if such courses are offered, or if they can make exceptions. Good luck po.

Newleaf2014 · March 2014

@appledeuce - good luck sa job hunting mo! Pray lots!

Newleaf2014 · March 2014

@danyan2001us - anong kaguluhan meron sa ABDC? paki re post ng link. Di ko mabuksan :-*

danyan2001us · March 2014

@Newleaf2014 ...bro copy paste ko na lang for you and for others yong communication ng ABDC.....sori at medyo mahaba haba ito hehe pero its a good source of information....
ill make it into 3 parts para hindi masyado mahaba in one entry

1st ENTRY:

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Submission to Skilled Occupation List 2014
December 2013

Australian Universities Centre, 1 Geils Court, Deakin ACT 2600 |  T: 02 6162 2970 |  E: [email protected]| W: www.abdc.edu.au

‐ 1 ‐
Mr Robin Shreeve
Chief Executive Officer
Australian Workplace and Productivity Agency (AWPA)
E: [email protected]

Dear Robin

Re: Retention of accountants on Skilled Occupation List (SOL) and development of a longer‐term
approach to reviewing occupations for independent skilled migration

The Australian Business Deans Council (ABDC) is the authoritative and collective voice of pro vice-chancellors, executive deans and heads of business faculties and schools in Australian universities.
ABDC promotes and advances excellence in business education and research as well as engagement
with industry, the government and the community.  ABDC represents a significant proportion of
higher education delivery with over one‐third of domestic university students and over one half of all
international students graduating from Australian business schools.1
  ABDC welcomes the
opportunity to provide input into the 2014 Skilled Occupation List (SOL).

Our position
ABDC supports quality skilled migration initiatives and policies as these are of vital importance to
Australia’s labour market, increased productivity, long‐term economic growth and prosperity.  In this
context our submission argues that the Australian government would gain significant benefit from:
1) retaining accountants on the 2014 SOL; and 2) developing a more flexible and longer‐term
approach to retention and review of occupations on the SOL.

ABDC has consistently supported the inclusion of accountants on the SOL and our membership has
developed a range of educational offerings and support services, and worked with the professional
accounting bodies, to facilitate quality learning outcomes for accounting students, including
international graduates.  Therefore, our position is that any decision to remove accounting from the
SOL would need to be based on accurate market data and sophisticated contextual analysis.
Department of Education, Employment and Workforce Relations (DEEWR) analysis indicates that the
number of job openings for accountants is expected to be high (greater than 50,000) for the 2012‐
2017 period.  This analysis indicates that labour market growth will place accountants as the third
ranked occupation by projected growth.2

We would however caution that certain data sources previously used to assess labour market
demand for the SOL— e.g. the Australian Graduate Survey (AGS) and recruitment advertisements
— are unreliable for assessing market labour demand for accountants.  International student
response rates to the AGS are typically very low, which is compounded in the case of accounting
students, where three quarters are international.3
  In the accounting profession, a significant volume

danyan2001us · March 2014

@Newleaf2014 ...

bro here's the 2nd entry:
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of recruitment activity for both graduates and qualified accountants is via direct means rather than
through advertisements.  For example, the ‘Big 4’ and mid‐tier accounting firms work closely with
our member business schools (mainly on‐campus) to recruit directly into their graduate trainee
programs.  These same organisations also partner with the professional accounting bodies to recruit
qualified accountants through their member networks.  Therefore, the use of recruitment
advertisements would underestimate the actual labour market demand for accountants.

It is therefore very important to gauge labour market demand based on recommendations from the
relevant professional accounting bodies and their industry partners.  ABDC strongly supports the
points made on this matter within the joint submission to the 2014 SOL made by the professional
bodies — CPA Australia and the Institute of Chartered Accountants Australia (ICAA).  In particular,
we would like to make the following recommendations with respect to the 2014 Skilled Occupation
List and ongoing review process:

Recommendations from the Australian Business Deans Council (ABDC)
ABDC urges the Australian Workforce Productivity Agency and the Department of Immigration and
Border Protection (DIBP) to ensure any future independent skilled migration occupation list, review
system or policies consider the following recommendations:
1. Retain accounting and finance occupations on the 2014 Skilled Occupation List (SOL) including
221111 Accountants (general), 22112 Management Accountant, 221113 Taxation Accountant,
221212 Corporate Treasurer, 221213 External Auditor, and 132211 Finance Manager.
2. Move to a minimum three‐year cycle of reviews of skilled occupations.  This longer term
review cycle would provide greater certainty for labour market planning, potential and existing
international students and to university planning.
3. Transition to a more flexible system, such as the one adopted by SkillSelect to support better
quality skilled migration.  Applying a flexible threshold would allow for a more strategic
response to changes in the labour market for accountants, and would enable a more nuanced
management of quality immigration.  The reactionary annual ‘on or off’ decision making process
could be replaced by a longer term planning vision.
The continual uncertainty of an annual SOL review system and retaining accountants on the SOL has
significant unintended consequences across many sectors, as outlined in the following sections.
The impact on the accounting profession
According to CPA Australia and ICAA, there is an under supply of accountants, and the labour market
conditions are getting tighter with accountants projected to rank amongst the most highly sought
after occupations in the short, medium and longer term.4
  Economic conditions and significant
regulatory changes are contributing to the growing demand for accountants, especially in areas such
as taxation, audit, compliance and risk management, business analysis and processes, cost
management, environmental accounting, asset valuation and investment advisory roles.

Skilled migrants and international student graduates play a vital role in ensuring there is an
adequate talent pool to meet this increasing demand.  Domestic student enrolments in accounting

danyan2001us · March 2014

@Newleaf2014 .....

bro, the third entry:
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have declined, but, of more concern is the decline in international student enrolments post 20095

(who, as previously mentioned, represented three in four accounting students in 2012).  This decline
of international student enrolments is evidence of the sensitivity to changed migration policies. ABDC, along with the professional accounting bodies, is very concerned that the uncertainty of annual reviews of the SOL has negatively impacted on current demand and will do so on future international enrolments.  Any future decline will have a significant flow on effect on providing a
pipeline of much needed future accountants.

The impact on businesses, the economy and government
The removal of accountants from the SOL would also be in direct opposition to other government policies that aim to increase productivity, reduce red tape, grow international education and
facilitate the desire to forge important links with our Asian neighbours.

The impact of not meeting accounting and finance labour demand shortages in businesses,
particularly in small accounting firms, SMEs and firms in remote or rural areas would be substantial.
For example, in the Northern Territory current supply does not meet the growing demand for
accountants.6 Skilled migration is therefore particularly important in the Northern Territory due to:
firstly, the ageing accounting workforce in general (e.g. 55% of registered tax agents and 30% of BAS
Agents are aged 50 and over;7; and secondly, due to the challenges facing local employers in
attracting and retaining suitable candidates from interstate8
.

SMEs have been described as ‘the engine room for new ideas, new business activity and
employment growth’ of Australia’s post mining future.9
  Therefore it is important to ensure
accountants be retained on the SOL to assist the nation to drive improved productivity—a critical
and necessary factor in boosting long‐term economic growth, prosperity and competitive advantage
especially in SMEs and regional Australia.

International education is the fourth largest export industry in Australia (largest in Victoria) and the
only non‐resource export in the top 10 export industries.  The international students at Australian
universities graduating from business schools generate an estimated $4.8 billion in export earnings
to the Australian economy.10  The current federal government has stated its intention to rebuild the
international higher education as a significant export industry for Australia. However, the prospect
of permanent migration to Australia is a key motivation for international students pursuing higher
education here, evidenced that one in four business students are enrolled in accounting degrees.

A quality skilled migration policy supports Australia as a knowledge economy and the Government’s
‘Future Unlimited’ concept for promoting Australian education.  Given that most accounting
students are from the increasingly dominant Asian region, removing accounting from the list will
negatively impact on developing these necessary links and on improving cultural understanding

danyan2001us · March 2014

@Newleaf2014 ....

bro last entry na ito:
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The impact on universities
The uncertainty of an annual review of the SOL affects not only businesses and the accounting
profession, but it also has an immense impact on universities.  Fee revenue from international
accounting student fees provides a significant support to university funding — much needed in a
climate of considerable funding pressure.  The continual insecurity of the SOL status of accountants
has played a role in the decline in international student enrolments in recent years.

It is of course acknowledged that labour market demand should be the primary focus for assessing
SOL occupations.  However, the present annual SOL review cycle is too short‐term, consumes
unnecessarily large amount of resources and provides uncertainty for accounting student applicants,
university funding and planning.  It takes a minimum of six years to educate a skilled accountant
(three years study, three years professional study program and experience).  As a consequence
attracting high quality international applicants to invest in Australian undergraduate or postgraduate
accounting and finance degrees requires longer term certainty in our skilled migration programs.

Over recent years accounting graduates have consistently been in high demand, and, given current
trends, this demand is unlikely to dramatically diminish within a one year timeframe.  To minimise
unnecessary frequency and improve productivity, planning and recruitment of high quality students,
we recommend a minimum three‐year review cycle of skilled migration occupations, is adopted.

Summary
In summary, ABDC recommends that the Department of Immigration and Border Protection retain
accountants on the 2014 skilled occupation list and that a longer‐term and more flexible approach to
reviewing skilled occupations for independent migration purposes is adopted.  In particular, we
propose that a minimum three‐year‐cycle review of SOL occupations or a more flexible system, such
as the one developed by SkillSelect is implemented.

These recommendations would lead to greater certainty in: 1) meeting projected labour market
needs for accountants; 2) growing a more sustainable international education market and pipeline
for future accountants; and 3) minimising the associated negative flow‐on effect on SME
productivity, university planning and funding.

Ensuring there is sufficient supply to meet Australia’s future accounting and finance workforce needs
is important for developing a thriving, highly productive, competitive and knowledge‐based
workforce in a post‐mining Australian economy.

Yours sincerely
Professor Michael Powell
President
and Pro Vice‐Chancellor (Business) Griffith University
5 December 2013

danyan2001us · March 2014

@Newleaf2014 ....
pray lang tau bro na sana pakikinggan ng AWPA (Australian Workplace and Productivity Agency) and recommendation ng ABDC.....for the benefit of all those who are in the accounting field like us.......

DeleteRequest · March 2014

@janinlee Hi Janine dito sa may George St.

danyan2001us · March 2014

share ko lang sa inyo ang success stories of a few students who just arrievd here in Melbourne at nakapag work na sila. Yong isang couple dumating last month at ngayon nagwork na ung hubby as a chef sa Footscray...then ung isa naman ay single at nagwowork na siya ngayon as a cleaner ...may car na siya courtesy of his company at free fuel din siya....yong isang couple naman nakaka inspire dahil ung girl ang nakapag work part time then maybe after 6 months pa ung hubby nakawork....muntik na sila mawalan ng pag asa but i told them to hold on to their faith and be strong...plus unceasing prayers to HIM above...ayon naka pag work na ang hubby recently....si wife naman alhtough not related to her field (accounting) pero nakapagwork na rin sa isang company at magkalapit pa kami ng company dito sa settlement road, Thomastown....im sharing you these success stories guys to enlighten and perhaps to inspire you as well that with strong faith in God coupled with determination, you could also get and secure your own job.....

appledeuce · March 2014

@appledeuce - good luck sa job hunting mo! Pray lots!

Thank you! I'm on my second week na still no signs of a potential job pa but God will provide.

ozdreamer0323 · March 2014

@appledeuce be strong lang po. #puso lang po, kaya yan.

mma1714 · March 2014

@nicekckyle yup. not less than 6.0 yung scores ko. kaso naging obs 6.0.. alangan tuloy

mma1714 · March 2014

@danyan2001us sige po. inquire ako. ask ko lang po, kapag halimbawa graduate certificate muna, macecredits din ba yung mga subjects kapag nag continue to post grad na? Sorry wala kasi akong idea pa talaga.. iniisip ko lang kasi kung ano yung mas less ang gastos din sana.. una ko po talaga dapat target is bachelors degree lang, eh ang sabi po ng agent pwede na po ko for postgrad since may work experience tapos 1.5 years lang daw yun.

mma1714 · March 2014

@appledeuce Master in Information Technology po sana. or Information technology management. anything related dun.. since yun yung natapos ko din and dun din ako may work experience.

tin1289 · March 2014

Hello po! I would like to ask po kung pwede na po magenroll khit d pa nagtake ielts. But i'll be aking my ielts po sa april 12

janinlee · March 2014

@appledeuce - good luck sa job hunting mo! Pray lots!
Thank you! I'm on my second week na still no signs of a potential job pa but God will provide.

hi.. nurse ka rin ba?? ang hirap mag hanap ng work ngayon lalo na sa suburb kami nakatira ni hubby... start na ba class mo?

danyan2001us · March 2014

@mma1714 ...i think so dahil yong makakasama ni wifey sa Federation University ay yon ang starting nya then 2nd semester na siya start ng masters niya....at saka parang preparatory stage yong graduate certificate leading to masters degree so related yong subjects doon....at saka may tatlo na IT masters sa kanila...master of information technology (8,650$ per semester), Master of Information Technology Management Studies (8,650$ per semster) then Master of Information Technology Studies (8.650$ per semester)...maganda pa sa kanila dahil after 1st semster like 2nd sem and up pwede mo na installment ang tuition mo....so hindi gaano mabigat

danyan2001us · March 2014

@tin1289 ....just my 2 cents....hindi yata dahil requirement ng school ang ielts score mo.....

tin1289 · March 2014

Any suggestions po @danyan2001us kung saan po mganda place po australia na magstudent visa.. Since wala po akong kamag anak sa australia

danyan2001us · March 2014

@tin1289 ...hi tin....ang masasabi ko lang na place ay melbourne since dito na kami mula july 2010 until now...at matatapos na si wifey by june this year...thanks be to God....wala ako ma i comment sa ibang place like sydney kasi no experience ako with those places....pero dito naman sa melbourne marami ka mameet na mga pinoy students...marami na rin kami nameet dito na mga students na wala ring kamag anak dito...importante lang na tibay ang loob mo na humarap sa mga challenges like malayo ka sa pamilya mo at sa pag survive in a foreign country....

appledeuce · March 2014

@janinlee hindi po ako nurse. IT po ang background ko but hindi naman ako namimili for part-time hehe basta hindi magbubuhat ng mabibigat or kailangan ng car.

appledeuce · March 2014

Hello po! I would like to ask po kung pwede na po magenroll khit d pa nagtake ielts. But i'll be aking my ielts po sa april 12

you can process your application for admission as early as now but I think you won't be able to get an unconditional offer letter from your university/school provider until you provide satisfactory ielts results.