Can Marriage License be used as a proof for De Facto?

netzkeenet

@jenipet20 hello anong visa inapplyan mo po. KAILAN ka naglodge?

dapogi

@netzkeenet @jenipet20 hehe, kami nga mismo nag d-doubt na di namin kaya ma support ang de facto na status. siguro na "swertehan" lang talaga kami sa CO or plainly, not enough evidence to support such. Girlfriend ko sya nung college, and we started to live together 3 years ago, although sa apartment lang shared with college classmates din.

Hopefully may makapag comment dito na na approve yung de facto application.

grai172

Hi mga kababayan! Yong de facto ko, inaprove naman pero linagay ko lang sya as non-migrating. Naswertehan lang siguro ako sa CO na hindi humingi ng proof of de facto relationship namin. Isinabmit ko lang yong affidavit na signed ng Barangay Captain namin stating na they knew that we are living together.

Nagtaka nga ako kasi hiningan sya ng Form 80.

cholle

Na-post ko na ito sa ibang thread, pero mukhang mas relevant/helpful dito.

Approved ang de facto ko, and he is the secondary applicant. At the time of lodging, 22 months pa lang yung relationship, and 20 months na kami living together. We don't have kids, but we have a pet dog which we intend to bring with us to Australia as mentioned in our stat decs. He is a divorcee while I've never been married. We submitted the following documents:

- 2 statutory declarations (sg, fr) and 1 affidavit (ph) from his mom and two of our friends about our relationship, plus yung individual stat decs namin. I would have given one more from my mom in Ph pero hindi na hiningi. Of course all duly notarized. Di namin ginamit yung Form 888, but I don't think there's going to be a problem using it as long as it's notarized. We drafted all the stat decs ourselves except for one (from my best friend) to make sure all details are correct and consistent and that we cover all bases / possible questions.

- April 2014 and May 2014 monthly statements for our joint account. Note that we only opened the account in November 2013. No question from CO. All original, but we had notarized copies just in case.

- all travel itineraries together. Total of 5 trips from 2012-2014. All original pdfs from airlines, but we also had them printed out and notarized just in case CO wants them.

- certificate of health insurance showing we have a comprehensive health plan together

- bills and official government mails (tax-related) to our same address. The bills / letters show that they date back to when we claim to have started living together.

- christmas cards from his family addressed to us

- about 20-something photos in one pdf file, all labeled with dates and location and who we were with (holidays, with my family, with his mom, with our dog, with our friends). Nilagyan pa namin sa dulo ng "For more, please visit (instagram ko) and (instagram niya)" Not notarized.

- his divorce decree, original

Yan lang. I think yung strong proofs namin for the relationship were the bank statements, and maybe the official letters and bills to the same address plus the health insurance.

Stat decs / affidavits and photos are considered under social aspect of the relationship, which is just one part. Meron pang financial, household arrangements, etc. May list nito sa Au immi website.

Oh and one more thing: I've read somewhere that you have to be able to establish when exactly you made a life-long commitment. Medyo di ko alam how CO's check this, in our case nilagay lang namin sa stat dec na yung decision to migrate to Au is an offshoot of a discussion of our long term plans together. Others can demonstrate by their engagement, or kung yung iba may kids na strong proof rin yan.

jenipet20

@netzkeenet - visa 190 ako.. Secodary applicant ko sya. Claim din ako ng patner points para di lang din masayang yung skills assessment at ielts nya kahit 60pts n ko kahit ala un..

jenipet20

@grai172 - non migrating means di sya kasama s visa n inapplayan mo di b?

dapogi

great to hear dun sa mga na approve. actually yung one thing na lang na hiningi ng CO sa amin before sya nag decide is proof of joint ownership ng asset, which hindi namin nabigay. @jenipet20 non-migrating means, kasama sya sa application pero di sya mabibigayan ng visa if na approve, so walang bayad.

netzkeenet

@jenipet20 kailan ka po naglodge.anong docs ang pinasa mo for proof ng de facto?

jenipet20

@dapogi - wala pa hnd p nmin inaupload... Pero ito lang ang ready na na ipapasa nmin.. Statements from friends, tig isa s bawat family namin plus ung landlord namin..hnd kasi nakapangalan samin yun bahay... At eto pa.. Nasa uae kasi kami which is bawal maglive in..pero magksma tlg kmi s bhay..bwal din kumuha ng joint account kung di mag asawa so ala kami nun..minsan p lng kami sabay umuwi ng pinas so hnd pa namin naayos un joint account that time..financial proof namin ay yung statement nung landlord n si bf ngbbyad s rent nmin dalawa at yung hatian s kuryente..at ako naman s net bill.. Si bf din bayad s mobile bill ko.. At yung s address...hnd s bahay bumabagsak mga bills e..may sinesend ng mga banks s po box which is usually s company...

Tpos..travel together namin..passport stamps n sabay kami umuwi at byahe..mga photos.. Mga events at restau vouchers...

Yun lang e..:(

jenipet20

@netzkeenet - nung april 17 ako naglodge.

grai172

@netzkeenet..tama si dapogi..siya yong parang maraming hiningan ng CO ng docs..swerte lang talaga at di na nanghinhi ng maraming docs.

@dapogi..clarify ko lang sana, kung mag apply ako ng partner visa, hihingan pa kaya ako ng mga documents? Joint account, pictures at tickets lang pwd kong maibigay..pag nag apply din ng partner visa, attached sya sa application ko diba? Thanks

grai172

@dapogi..yong sa inyo Sir, di nakapasa si partner as non-migrating member dahil di nag qualify yong de facto relationship nyo?

grai172

@dapogi..sorry Sir nasagot nyo na po pala yong last question.

dapogi

@netzkeenet..tama si dapogi..siya yong parang maraming hiningan ng CO ng docs..swerte lang talaga at di na nanghinhi ng maraming docs.

@dapogi..clarify ko lang sana, kung mag apply ako ng partner visa, hihingan pa kaya ako ng mga documents? Joint account, pictures at tickets lang pwd kong maibigay..pag nag apply din ng partner visa, attached sya sa application ko diba? Thanks

hi @grail172, di ako sure kung what documents pa yung kailangan pero kung pag babasehan sa website, baka kaunting documents na lang hingin once nag apply ka ng 309 na visa.

dapogi

@dapogi - wala pa hnd p nmin inaupload... Pero ito lang ang ready na na ipapasa nmin.. Statements from friends, tig isa s bawat family namin plus ung landlord namin..hnd kasi nakapangalan samin yun bahay... At eto pa.. Nasa uae kasi kami which is bawal maglive in..pero magksma tlg kmi s bhay..bwal din kumuha ng joint account kung di mag asawa so ala kami nun..minsan p lng kami sabay umuwi ng pinas so hnd pa namin naayos un joint account that time..financial proof namin ay yung statement nung landlord n si bf ngbbyad s rent nmin dalawa at yung hatian s kuryente..at ako naman s net bill.. Si bf din bayad s mobile bill ko.. At yung s address...hnd s bahay bumabagsak mga bills e..may sinesend ng mga banks s po box which is usually s company...

Tpos..travel together namin..passport stamps n sabay kami umuwi at byahe..mga photos.. Mga events at restau vouchers...

Yun lang e..:(

hi @jenipet20, try to assess yung evidences nyo based dun sa required. kaya kami nag decide na non-migrating dependent sya is because we believe na kulang din kami ng is support sa claim namin. eto yung mga scenarios na tinitingnan natin:

1. if you include your partner at hindi niyo ma support claim niyo, you will lose your ~AUD1.5K (unless kasama sya sa pag claim ng points mo, which, based sa isang post na nabasa ko dito, pag na decline eh yung whole visa application ma d decline)
2. include her as a non-migrating dependent (no need to pay anything but you have to pay the full ~AUD3K later sa partner's visa)

angelray

kapag nagprovide ka ba ng joint account bank statements, kailangan din ba na 1 year na yung joint account nyo?

tiggeroo

Yung sa amin, yes, more than a year na ung joint account. Pero I think some bank certificates don't indicate when the account was opened, so baka pwede makalusot. Ung mahalaga sa 1 year ay ung living together evidence/correspondence to the same address.

OZwaldCobblepot

@angelray yung sa amin di nakalagay ung date sa statement. dinaan lang namin sa photos and travel tickets at hotel reservation emails. di naman na naghanap CO nmin ng additional proof

angelray

@tiggeroo, pano yung ibang proof of living together namin eh hindi pa abot ng 1 year eh?
like yung credit card bills and phone line, mga september last year nlng kasi ko nakapagpachange.


@OZwaldCobblepot, yun lang ba yung requirements na sinubmit nyo? pano yung proof na na merong same address?

OZwaldCobblepot

@angelray nope. we didn't live together. though, kinasal kami (civil) the day nainvite ako. So nung nagka-CO kami, were only 2 weeks married. haha. tinanggap naman ung marriage contract, photos at joint acct namin. we just proved that we're in a relationship for more than a year.

angelray

@OZwaldCobblepot, ahh kaya pala

angelray

meron pa bang ibang way?

tiggeroo

@angelray kung mahirapan ka to provide bills and documents sent to the same address, wag mo nalang siguro i-upload kung hindi cohesive sa rest of the story. Actually, wala sa list ung individual mails/bills of the couple sent to the same address --ang meron lang "Joint Mail" (so I had to put our bills under "Other Mail"). So I guess hindi ito masyadong matimbang

Focus on the other documents, like the statements from both partners and friends and family -- indicate when you started dating, and when the defacto relationship/living together began. Sa statements niyo nalang i-outline ang living and household arrangements. Ung bills kahit nakapangalan lang sa partner mo, as long as 1 year should be fine, lagyan niyo nalang ng konting description na sa kanya nakapangalan pero share naman kayo magbayad etc. Then of course, pictures and travels together.

tiggeroo

Ito ung mga binigay ko, mejo paulit ulit actually ung options, so mejo ini-spread out ko nalang ang evidences to make sure meron akong at least 1 evidence for the four categories (financial, household, commitment, social):
Financial aspects of the relationship, evidence of
-Financial Statements -> bank cert
Nature of the couple's household, Evidence of
-Utilities Notice -> bills, not under our names, nakapangalan sa unit owner, so explain explain nalang konti
Nature of the couple's mutual commitment to each other, Evidence of
-none!!! haha
Social aspects of the relationship, Evidence of
-Record of joint friends and social network ->pics with friends and family
-Travel Itinerary - Joint -> travel pics with friends and family
-Travel tickets -> airline tickets showing couple with friends and family
-Statutory declaration -> from friends and family

Addtl:
Couple are living together, evidence of
-Joint Mail -> mail addressed to the couple
-Other Mail -> individual bills sent to the same address
Relationship - Spouse, De facto Partner, Evidence of
-Photograph - Other ->pics of the couple
-Statutory declaration -> of the couple
-Travel Tickets -> of the couple

Sa DIBP website, ung highlighted naman ay ung 4 categories so basta strong evidences mo dun, you should be fine wala nga ako evidence maibigay sa commitment part hahaha!

OZwaldCobblepot

@angelray what could help you are statements. Statement on how you met, how the relationship started, statements ng common friends that they are aware of your relationship, statement ng parents that they recognize your relationship and a lot of photos together, with friends and with relatives. lagyan nyo ng caption telling the story about the photo.

ayyay

@cholle Hello po, nabasa ko yung comments nyo related sa de-facto relation. Pwede po ba makahingi ng actual copy nung mga declarations para magcheck at magkapattern din kami?

We are planning to submit as in defacto-relationship and ito yung mejo gusto ko na swak ang mga details. Salamat po ng marami in advance.

ayyay

@dapogi hello po, mayroon po ba kayong exact copies nung testimonials na nisend nyo? pwede po ba makita or makahingi ng kopya? salamat ng marami