Architect - Applying as Architectural Draftsperson

Capuccino_2017 · December 2020

@plasticeye said:
sad to say wala for year 2021... pero NSW pa lang naman yan... baka sa ibang state kasama

@plasticeye, thank you po.. sana nga sa ibang state mag open pa din.. SA di din open..

athelene · January 2021

@Capuccino_2017 With the pandemic still ongoing in Australia, I believe the priority is on the healthcare-related occupations, at least until July 2021. We can only wait and see on how things will change in the next few months.

Capuccino_2017 · February 2021

@athelene said:
@Capuccino_2017 With the pandemic still ongoing in Australia, I believe the priority is on the healthcare-related occupations, at least until July 2021. We can only wait and see on how things will change in the next few months.

Thank you @athelene, hopefully things get better in the coming months..

xiaoxue · February 2021

@Capuccino_2017 said:

Thank you @athelene, hopefully things get better in the coming months..

Hello, nakita ko po open ang arch draftsperson sa Tasmania. 491 nga lang for offshore...

Capuccino_2017 · February 2021

Hello, nakita ko po open ang arch draftsperson sa Tasmania. 491 nga lang for offshore...

Hello po, Thank you for sharing the info.. open po pala sang Tas for offshore.. kala ko for onshore lahat ng state.. mag offer lang sana ng 190.. hoping po kase kami tlaga sa 190. dahil sa age na din po namin. baka di na umabot pag nag expire ang 491.

Capuccino_2017 · February 2021

@Capuccino_2017 said:

Hello, nakita ko po open ang arch draftsperson sa Tasmania. 491 nga lang for offshore...

Hello po, Thank you for sharing the info.. open po pala sang Tas for offshore.. kala ko for onshore lahat ng state.. mag offer lang sana ng 190.. hoping po kase kami tlaga sa 190. dahil sa age na din po namin. baka di na umabot pag nag expire ang 491.

Sana malapit na malapit na.. hoping and praying tlaga.. but for now. hintay muna until things goes well for all of us... keep safe to everyone.. 😊🙏🏻

cccubic · March 2021

Hi mga ka archi~ hingi naman ako ng insights nyo with regards sa current job status ng mga nasa Tasmania at NT. base sa pagreresearch ko dun lang ata available ung 312111, tpos available lang sa 491 visa. Maraming salamat!

Capuccino_2017 · March 2021

@cccubic said:
Hi mga ka archi~ hingi naman ako ng insights nyo with regards sa current job status ng mga nasa Tasmania at NT. base sa pagreresearch ko dun lang ata available ung 312111, tpos available lang sa 491 visa. Maraming salamat!

@cccubic
same here po, still waiting for other states to open 312111, 190 visa. wala pa po update sa ngayon, sana malapit na 😊🙏🏻.

Capuccino_2017 · April 2021

Hi mga ka archi.. good day.. hope all is well.. ask ko lang po kung may idea po kayo kelan kaya ang next invitation round.. halos patapos na ang fiscal year wla pa din nilalabas about 312111.. meaning po ba next fiscal year 2021-2022 na mag aabang kung maisasama ang 312111 sa list.. 💔💔

plasticeye · April 2021

@Capuccino_2017 said:
Hi mga ka archi.. good day.. hope all is well.. ask ko lang po kung may idea po kayo kelan kaya ang next invitation round.. halos patapos na ang fiscal year wla pa din nilalabas about 312111.. meaning po ba next fiscal year 2021-2022 na mag aabang kung maisasama ang 312111 sa list.. 💔💔

alam ko Tasmania open for 312111

Capuccino_2017 · April 2021

@plasticeye said:

@Capuccino_2017 said:
Hi mga ka archi.. good day.. hope all is well.. ask ko lang po kung may idea po kayo kelan kaya ang next invitation round.. halos patapos na ang fiscal year wla pa din nilalabas about 312111.. meaning po ba next fiscal year 2021-2022 na mag aabang kung maisasama ang 312111 sa list.. 💔💔

alam ko Tasmania open for 312111

@plasticeye
Thank you for sharing the info, 😊

Capuccino_2017 · April 2021

@plasticeye said:

@Capuccino_2017 said:
Hi mga ka archi.. good day.. hope all is well.. ask ko lang po kung may idea po kayo kelan kaya ang next invitation round.. halos patapos na ang fiscal year wla pa din nilalabas about 312111.. meaning po ba next fiscal year 2021-2022 na mag aabang kung maisasama ang 312111 sa list.. 💔💔

alam ko Tasmania open for 312111

@plasticeye
Hopia kase ako sa NSW, last invitation round April 1.. tapos di kasama ang 312111.. andaming pasok din na nasa engineering.. umasa tuloy ako na baka sakali maisingit ang arki.. waley.. huhuhu..

plasticeye · April 2021

@Capuccino_2017 said:

@plasticeye said:

@Capuccino_2017 said:
Hi mga ka archi.. good day.. hope all is well.. ask ko lang po kung may idea po kayo kelan kaya ang next invitation round.. halos patapos na ang fiscal year wla pa din nilalabas about 312111.. meaning po ba next fiscal year 2021-2022 na mag aabang kung maisasama ang 312111 sa list.. 💔💔

alam ko Tasmania open for 312111

@plasticeye
Hopia kase ako sa NSW, last invitation round April 1.. tapos di kasama ang 312111.. andaming pasok din na nasa engineering.. umasa tuloy ako na baka sakali maisingit ang arki.. waley.. huhuhu..

ayun lang. antay ka na lang din sana magbago un list. unpredictable dahil sa covid... hayz

nutzagi26 · April 2021

Hello po sa lahat, ask ko lang po.. malaki po ba chance natenagkajob sa tasmania at NT as archi drafstman? sa ngayon po kasi tassie lang at NT ang open sa atin with 491 visa

athelene · April 2021

@nutzagi26 said:
Hello po sa lahat, ask ko lang po.. malaki po ba chance natenagkajob sa tasmania at NT as archi drafstman? sa ngayon po kasi tassie lang at NT ang open sa atin with 491 visa

I believe this highly depends on your skills, experience, and your ability to adapt to the building construction practices applicable to the state/territory. I'm not working in the industry (yet), but I did learn from a friend who has worked in WA and NSW that the building construction practices from the two states are vastly different, owing to the difference in climate. WA is pretty much a desert, so their design and construction practices would be specific to keeping the heat out of the building, whereas NSW has a milder climate.

Some of the things that may affect likelihood of scoring an interview would be knowledge of the NCC (National Construction Code, or the building code) and relevant Australian Standards. I've seen plenty of job postings for architectural draftsperson/technician/assistant roles to have this. Software knowledge and skills is another thing, but this varies depending on where you're applying. Big companies are looking for those who are proficient or experienced in Revit or ArchiCAD, whereas smaller firms may still be using 2D CAD softwares.

nutzagi26 · April 2021

@athelene said:

@nutzagi26 said:
Hello po sa lahat, ask ko lang po.. malaki po ba chance natenagkajob sa tasmania at NT as archi drafstman? sa ngayon po kasi tassie lang at NT ang open sa atin with 491 visa

I believe this highly depends on your skills, experience, and your ability to adapt to the building construction practices applicable to the state/territory. I'm not working in the industry (yet), but I did learn from a friend who has worked in WA and NSW that the building construction practices from the two states are vastly different, owing to the difference in climate. WA is pretty much a desert, so their design and construction practices would be specific to keeping the heat out of the building, whereas NSW has a milder climate.

Some of the things that may affect likelihood of scoring an interview would be knowledge of the NCC (National Construction Code, or the building code) and relevant Australian Standards. I've seen plenty of job postings for architectural draftsperson/technician/assistant roles to have this. Software knowledge and skills is another thing, but this varies depending on where you're applying. Big companies are looking for those who are proficient or experienced in Revit or ArchiCAD, whereas smaller firms may still be using 2D CAD softwares.

thank you @athelene
Praying na magopen na NSW for us 🙏🏻🙏🏻

Capuccino_2017 · April 2021

@athelene said:

@nutzagi26 said:
Hello po sa lahat, ask ko lang po.. malaki po ba chance natenagkajob sa tasmania at NT as archi drafstman? sa ngayon po kasi tassie lang at NT ang open sa atin with 491 visa

I believe this highly depends on your skills, experience, and your ability to adapt to the building construction practices applicable to the state/territory. I'm not working in the industry (yet), but I did learn from a friend who has worked in WA and NSW that the building construction practices from the two states are vastly different, owing to the difference in climate. WA is pretty much a desert, so their design and construction practices would be specific to keeping the heat out of the building, whereas NSW has a milder climate.

Some of the things that may affect likelihood of scoring an interview would be knowledge of the NCC (National Construction Code, or the building code) and relevant Australian Standards. I've seen plenty of job postings for architectural draftsperson/technician/assistant roles to have this. Software knowledge and skills is another thing, but this varies depending on where you're applying. Big companies are looking for those who are proficient or experienced in Revit or ArchiCAD, whereas smaller firms may still be using 2D CAD softwares.

@athelene
Hi Ms Athelene, about NSW po kaya baka may news kayo kung madaming job postings about Arki draftsperson? in demand kaya sa NSW at the moment? nagtataka lang ako bakit nakikita ko sa seek may mga job openings pero di pa din kasama sa sol ang arki, just wondering kung ano ang chance ng offshore.. nakita ko din sa news, andaming incoming na projects ng NSW. hoping soon na mag open na ang NSW..

cccubic · April 2021

@Capuccino_2017 said:

@athelene said:

@nutzagi26 said:
Hello po sa lahat, ask ko lang po.. malaki po ba chance natenagkajob sa tasmania at NT as archi drafstman? sa ngayon po kasi tassie lang at NT ang open sa atin with 491 visa

I believe this highly depends on your skills, experience, and your ability to adapt to the building construction practices applicable to the state/territory. I'm not working in the industry (yet), but I did learn from a friend who has worked in WA and NSW that the building construction practices from the two states are vastly different, owing to the difference in climate. WA is pretty much a desert, so their design and construction practices would be specific to keeping the heat out of the building, whereas NSW has a milder climate.

Some of the things that may affect likelihood of scoring an interview would be knowledge of the NCC (National Construction Code, or the building code) and relevant Australian Standards. I've seen plenty of job postings for architectural draftsperson/technician/assistant roles to have this. Software knowledge and skills is another thing, but this varies depending on where you're applying. Big companies are looking for those who are proficient or experienced in Revit or ArchiCAD, whereas smaller firms may still be using 2D CAD softwares.

@athelene
Hi Ms Athelene, about NSW po kaya baka may news kayo kung madaming job postings about Arki draftsperson? in demand kaya sa NSW at the moment? nagtataka lang ako bakit nakikita ko sa seek may mga job openings pero di pa din kasama sa sol ang arki, just wondering kung ano ang chance ng offshore.. nakita ko din sa news, andaming incoming na projects ng NSW. hoping soon na mag open na ang NSW..

nakakafrustrate po ano? linkedin lang po ako nagtitingin pero i can say na madaming opening for archi technicians. hoping padin kami ni partner kaya nagstart na kaming mag step 1, thinking na pag nacomplete na namin mga requirements ay maisama na ung code natin sa NSW

Capuccino_2017 · April 2021

@athelene
Hi Ms Athelene, about NSW po kaya baka may news kayo kung madaming job postings about Arki draftsperson? in demand kaya sa NSW at the moment? nagtataka lang ako bakit nakikita ko sa seek may mga job openings pero di pa din kasama sa sol ang arki, just wondering kung ano ang chance ng offshore.. nakita ko din sa news, andaming incoming na projects ng NSW. hoping soon na mag open na ang NSW..

nakakafrustrate po ano? linkedin lang po ako nagtitingin pero i can say na madaming opening for archi technicians. hoping padin kami ni partner kaya nagstart na kaming mag step 1, thinking na pag nacomplete na namin mga requirements ay maisama na ung code natin sa NSW

@cccubic
Oo nga po, medyo nakaka inip na din maghintay, pero hoping pa din 😄haha.. pag nakikita ko na madami job openings nakaka excite na naman tapos mag aantay kelan kaya mag iinvite.. maiinip na naman.. tapos nahold ba vaccination nila.. whaaaaa.. anu ba talaga.. kelan ba talga.. sana malapit na malapit naaaa..... 😫

athelene · April 2021

@Capuccino_2017 said:
@athelene
Hi Ms Athelene, about NSW po kaya baka may news kayo kung madaming job postings about Arki draftsperson? in demand kaya sa NSW at the moment? nagtataka lang ako bakit nakikita ko sa seek may mga job openings pero di pa din kasama sa sol ang arki, just wondering kung ano ang chance ng offshore.. nakita ko din sa news, andaming incoming na projects ng NSW. hoping soon na mag open na ang NSW..

The number of online job postings does not dictate the inclusion of a specific occupation code to the skill shortage list. Getting a PR visa does not guarantee you a job offer in the industry. I know someone who arrived as a migrant in 2019, but until now cannot secure a job even as a draftsperson (despite having years of experience overseas).

Yes, there are tons of job postings, but HR people are very picky on whom to hire, so they're more likely to hire onshore applicants with local experience. From what I've observed, the architecture industry is pretty small, and designers just jump from one place to another, so vacancies open up when they move companies or move interstate.

The upcoming projects for NSW (like the airport in the southwest) is mostly infrastructure (hence the neverending demand for engineers). I'm not quite sure how much architectural work would be involved in the development of the aerotropolis. But we'll just have to wait and see how things go, especially with the pandemic still ongoing, health-related occupations pa rin ang priority nila.

donutyuman · April 2021

Hello! I'm planning to apply for the 189 visa. To bump up our points, we're hoping to include my wife's skill as an architectural draftsperson. Gusto ko lang maclarify kung need din nya ng assessment from VETASSES? Salamat!

Capuccino_2017 · April 2021

The number of online job postings does not dictate the inclusion of a specific occupation code to the skill shortage list. Getting a PR visa does not guarantee you a job offer in the industry. I know someone who arrived as a migrant in 2019, but until now cannot secure a job even as a draftsperson (despite having years of experience overseas).

Yes, there are tons of job postings, but HR people are very picky on whom to hire, so they're more likely to hire onshore applicants with local experience. From what I've observed, the architecture industry is pretty small, and designers just jump from one place to another, so vacancies open up when they move companies or move interstate.

The upcoming projects for NSW (like the airport in the southwest) is mostly infrastructure (hence the neverending demand for engineers). I'm not quite sure how much architectural work would be involved in the development of the aerotropolis. But we'll just have to wait and see how things go, especially with the pandemic still ongoing, health-related occupations pa rin ang priority nila.

@athelene
Thank you so much for your reply, I highly appreciate.. thanks also for sharing your inputs as well about archi.. we get an idea and know more of what’s really going on there and what to expect.. hoping there’ll be also a need for archi not just for draftings, but we can be also involve in BIM Revit or Site Archi Coordination works.. supervisor on finishings, interior works.. etc..

athelene · April 2021

@donutyuman said:
Hello! I'm planning to apply for the 189 visa. To bump up our points, we're hoping to include my wife's skill as an architectural draftsperson. Gusto ko lang maclarify kung need din nya ng assessment from VETASSES? Salamat!

I believe to claim partner points, your partner has to have an occupation in the same category as you. For the 189, you both have to have occupations on the MLTSSL, but architectural draftsperson is only on the STSOL. If she can get a positive skills assessment from AACA, then you may be able to get the partner points. Sadly, it's inadvisable for PH archi grads to do AACA skills assessment because it will likely fail.

You can read more on the partner points for 189 visa here:
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/visa-listing/skilled-independent-189/points-table

Hope this helped you understand the scenario better.

donutyuman · April 2021

@athelene said:

@donutyuman said:
Hello! I'm planning to apply for the 189 visa. To bump up our points, we're hoping to include my wife's skill as an architectural draftsperson. Gusto ko lang maclarify kung need din nya ng assessment from VETASSES? Salamat!

I believe to claim partner points, your partner has to have an occupation in the same category as you. For the 189, you both have to have occupations on the MLTSSL, but architectural draftsperson is only on the STSOL. If she can get a positive skills assessment from AACA, then you may be able to get the partner points. Sadly, it's inadvisable for PH archi grads to do AACA skills assessment because it will likely fail.

You can read more on the partner points for 189 visa here:
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/visa-listing/skilled-independent-189/points-table

Hope this helped you understand the scenario better.

Thank you! Your comment helped a lot. Didn't realize that we're in different categories.

athelene · April 2021

@athelene
Thank you so much for your reply, I highly appreciate.. thanks also for sharing your inputs as well about archi.. we get an idea and know more of what’s really going on there and what to expect.. hoping there’ll be also a need for archi not just for draftings, but we can be also involve in BIM Revit or Site Archi Coordination works.. supervisor on finishings, interior works.. etc..

@Capuccino_2017

You're welcome. There's actually some demand for BIM Managers or architectural technicians with lots of BIM experience, but again the key issue that seems to arise is "local work experience."

The way I see things (just my opinion ha), migrants are more like "outsiders" because they have no knowledge of and experience in the Australian workplace. Knowledge of Australian building codes/regulations are key to practicing the profession, but it will take months or years to teach/train a new migrant about these stuff. I'm guessing that's why they prefer someone who's had years of local experience, instead of a new migrant. Not all companies have the time, resources, or an experienced employee willing to train a newbie, because training involves work hours that could be spent on billable tasks instead. Australia's minimum wages are one of the highest in the world, so living costs in Australia is quite high due to the fact that companies pay a lot for labour.

In case no one in this forum has mentioned it (or maybe no one really knew about this), it's quite common for Australians to start working part-time from age 15 or 16, even for just a retail or hospitality job (like McDo). Then when they go to for further education (whether VET or university), they would look for part-time work in design firms while they study, so they get exposed to the industry quite early. By the time they graduate from MArch (which is required if they're looking to register as an architect), they could easily have at least 3 years of industry experience, which is pretty much the minimum that employers are looking for.

Those young Australians with years of knowledge and experience is what we're competing against. Even though our architectural training is more technical (wala sila masyadong engineering sciences sa curriculum nila), sa palagay ko mas habol ng companies ang knowledge on local regulations and software skills (Adobe Creative Suite).

intdesigner_arki · April 2021

Hi po! Seeking for your advice..
Nasa stage na po kami na mag lo-lodge ng EOI since tapos na kami ng VETASSES and English test..

Architectural draftsperson
Visa 190 - 80pts
Visa 491 - 90pts
(Offshore)

Ako po yung main applicant & due to give birth po ako ng October.. concern ko lang po ok lang po kaya mag lodge na kami ng husband ko ng EOI? Sa ngayon po kase Tasmania lang open for visa 491.

Tama lang kaya yung timing? And madami ba job opportunities sa Tasmania for architectural draftsperson/designer/ID? Parang konte lang kase nakita ko sa seek

wallflower11 · April 2021

I got my 489 Visa

@intdesigner_arki said:
Hi po! Seeking for your advice..
Nasa stage na po kami na mag lo-lodge ng EOI since tapos na kami ng VETASSES and English test..

Architectural draftsperson
Visa 190 - 80pts
Visa 491 - 90pts
(Offshore)

Ako po yung main applicant & due to give birth po ako ng October.. concern ko lang po ok lang po kaya mag lodge na kami ng husband ko ng EOI? Sa ngayon po kase Tasmania lang open for visa 491.

Tama lang kaya yung timing? And madami ba job opportunities sa Tasmania for architectural draftsperson/designer/ID? Parang konte lang kase nakita ko sa seek

IMO, meron pero konti. I know some friends na tinuloy nila paglipat sa TAS at may job naman na sila though hindi archi related. I would advice na maghintay na lang ng ibang states na mag-open kung saan mas okay ang opportunities.

nutzagi26 · April 2021

@intdesigner_arki said:
Hi po! Seeking for your advice..
Nasa stage na po kami na mag lo-lodge ng EOI since tapos na kami ng VETASSES and English test..

Architectural draftsperson
Visa 190 - 80pts
Visa 491 - 90pts
(Offshore)

Ako po yung main applicant & due to give birth po ako ng October.. concern ko lang po ok lang po kaya mag lodge na kami ng husband ko ng EOI? Sa ngayon po kase Tasmania lang open for visa 491.

Tama lang kaya yung timing? And madami ba job opportunities sa Tasmania for architectural draftsperson/designer/ID? Parang konte lang kase nakita ko sa seek

Hello po @intdesigner_arki ... base po sa mga posting na nkikita ko, may jobs naman po sa tassie... yun nga lang ang hirap magresearch kung may job bang makukuha ang archi draftsperson duon... wala din ako nakikita mga nagblogs about sa life ng arki duon..

If may info.. ka po can you message me😬
i lodge my eoi to tassie.. cheers!!

athelene · April 2021

@intdesigner_arki said:
Hi po! Seeking for your advice..
Nasa stage na po kami na mag lo-lodge ng EOI since tapos na kami ng VETASSES and English test..

Architectural draftsperson
Visa 190 - 80pts
Visa 491 - 90pts
(Offshore)

Ako po yung main applicant & due to give birth po ako ng October.. concern ko lang po ok lang po kaya mag lodge na kami ng husband ko ng EOI? Sa ngayon po kase Tasmania lang open for visa 491.

Tama lang kaya yung timing? And madami ba job opportunities sa Tasmania for architectural draftsperson/designer/ID? Parang konte lang kase nakita ko sa seek

I don't think your pregnancy is an issue for lodging EOI. If you are okay with going to Tassie to migrate (like wala naman family ties in other states that would affect your decision to lodge for 491 in Tassie), then just go for it. It's just EOI anyway, not PR application. You still have the option to withdraw your EOI for Tassie should other states open up.

Most jobs in Australia aren't advertised; I've heard 15-20% lang ang advertised. People get jobs here based on networks (people you know), so not all companies will bother to create an advert for a job when they could just interview people recommended by their current employees. Also, there are many small design companies around Australia, so don't limit yourself to looking at Seek. I'm not saying that there are tons of archi jobs in Tassie, just that what you see online is not representative of the actual industry.

Besides, it's pretty common that new migrants don't instantly get a job in their nominated occupations upon arrival, so they take on any kind of job they could get just to pay the bills (as @wallflower11 has shared). In my opinion, working in other sectors isn't a bad thing---it actually opens you up to other ways of thinking/approaching things, and you can learn lots of transferable skills (which are what employers are looking for in Australia). Building design and architectural practice in Australia is also somewhat different, so it'll take you some time to get settled and get up to speed on the laws, codes, regulations (laging hinahanap nila ang knowledge on NCC, AS, DA/DC/CC).

nutzagi26 · April 2021

@athelene said:

@intdesigner_arki said:
Hi po! Seeking for your advice..
Nasa stage na po kami na mag lo-lodge ng EOI since tapos na kami ng VETASSES and English test..

Architectural draftsperson
Visa 190 - 80pts
Visa 491 - 90pts
(Offshore)

Ako po yung main applicant & due to give birth po ako ng October.. concern ko lang po ok lang po kaya mag lodge na kami ng husband ko ng EOI? Sa ngayon po kase Tasmania lang open for visa 491.

Tama lang kaya yung timing? And madami ba job opportunities sa Tasmania for architectural draftsperson/designer/ID? Parang konte lang kase nakita ko sa seek

I don't think your pregnancy is an issue for lodging EOI. If you are okay with going to Tassie to migrate (like wala naman family ties in other states that would affect your decision to lodge for 491 in Tassie), then just go for it. It's just EOI anyway, not PR application. You still have the option to withdraw your EOI for Tassie should other states open up.

Most jobs in Australia aren't advertised; I've heard 15-20% lang ang advertised. People get jobs here based on networks (people you know), so not all companies will bother to create an advert for a job when they could just interview people recommended by their current employees. Also, there are many small design companies around Australia, so don't limit yourself to looking at Seek. I'm not saying that there are tons of archi jobs in Tassie, just that what you see online is not representative of the actual industry.

Besides, it's pretty common that new migrants don't instantly get a job in their nominated occupations upon arrival, so they take on any kind of job they could get just to pay the bills (as @wallflower11 has shared). In my opinion, working in other sectors isn't a bad thing---it actually opens you up to other ways of thinking/approaching things, and you can learn lots of transferable skills (which are what employers are looking for in Australia). Building design and architectural practice in Australia is also somewhat different, so it'll take you some time to get settled and get up to speed on the laws, codes, regulations (laging hinahanap nila ang knowledge on NCC, AS, DA/DC/CC).