Can Marriage License be used as a proof for De Facto?

RED · July 2014

I am currently in a long distance relationship and I want to know if a marriage license would be a good proof to be in a de facto relationship? Thanks.

penski516 · July 2014

hi @RED, just my thoughts, if you're already married i think you should go with the Partner visa route - 309 instead of the De Facto (300).

RED · July 2014

i don't have any australian visa yet and I'm about to lodge an EOI but I'm not sure if the marriage license would be good enough to include her in my application. We are not married yet and will be this coming december.

DMAU2012 · July 2014

Hi. may kaibigan ako na same case sayu. Ang proof of de facto nya ay love letters, facebook relationship status,pictures together in different occasions, testimonies from friends. kaya sa tingin ko tatangapin ang marriage license. samahan mo na rin joint account, remittance at properties. Samahan mo na din ng wedding invitation para pruweba na ikakasal nga kayo. Hindi mahigpit ang case officer, any proof na magpapatibay sa claim ng applicant ,tinatanggap nila.

cholle · July 2014

Yung friend ko ganyan din. Ang nangyari napaaga sila ng kasal hehe. But yeah you can use the license as proof. Pero check mo lang yung validity ng license kung hanggang kailan.

RED · July 2014

@DMAU2012 yung friend mo long distance din sila? its nice to hear na meron akong ka same case.tinanggap ba yung proof nila? wala kami joint account and properties pa e.

@cholle naku di na pwede mapaaga ang kasal. december na talaga. gusto ko na din talaga itry maglodge kaso baka kasi magkapangit na record pag hindi tinanggap yung proof namin.

thanks to both of you

DMAU2012 · July 2014

yep, Japan at Cayman. Tinanggap ang proofs nila. Proof ng payment sa weddings is tingin ko pwede like booking ng venue, food, photovideo, lahat yan may contract na merng pangalan nyo, enough proof na may magaganap na wedding sa December. maglodge ka muna ng Eoi then wait for invitation, kakain din yan ng time. pag Visa lodgement pa naman hihingi ng proof of defacto.

RED · July 2014

@DMAU2012 Maraming salamat po

netzkeenet · July 2014

Hi. may kaibigan ako na same case sayu. Ang proof of de facto nya ay love letters, facebook relationship status,pictures together in different occasions, testimonies from friends. kaya sa tingin ko tatangapin ang marriage license. samahan mo na rin joint account, remittance at properties. Samahan mo na din ng wedding invitation para pruweba na ikakasal nga kayo. Hindi mahigpit ang case officer, any proof na magpapatibay sa claim ng applicant ,tinatanggap nila.

Talaga? Di sila gaanong strict sa proof ng de facto? What are other strong proofs pa for de facto? Thanks

DMAU2012 · July 2014

Hi @netzkeenet,

Hindi naman sa hindi mahigpit, tingin ko considerate sila sa lahat ng visa applicants.

Sa mga nababasa ko dito sa forum , strong proof ang joint account and properties at yung marriage license tingin ko tatanggapin din.

Yung mga evidence na simple like love letters etc, supporting lang naman yun. Kaparehas pag wala kang payslips sa proof paid employment, pinapayagan ang SSS contributions, ITR at Employment contracts.

Cheers..

Hi. may kaibigan ako na same case sayu. Ang proof of de facto nya ay love letters, facebook relationship status,pictures together in different occasions, testimonies from friends. kaya sa tingin ko tatangapin ang marriage license. samahan mo na rin joint account, remittance at properties. Samahan mo na din ng wedding invitation para pruweba na ikakasal nga kayo. Hindi mahigpit ang case officer, any proof na magpapatibay sa claim ng applicant ,tinatanggap nila.

Talaga? Di sila gaanong strict sa proof ng de facto? What are other strong proofs pa for de facto? Thanks

netzkeenet · July 2014

Hi @netzkeenet,

Hindi naman sa hindi mahigpit, tingin ko considerate sila sa lahat ng visa applicants.

Sa mga nababasa ko dito sa forum , strong proof ang joint account and properties at yung marriage license tingin ko tatanggapin din.

Yung mga evidence na simple like love letters etc, supporting lang naman yun. Kaparehas pag wala kang payslips sa proof paid employment, pinapayagan ang SSS contributions, ITR at Employment contracts.

Cheers..
Hi. may kaibigan ako na same case sayu. Ang proof of de facto nya ay love letters, facebook relationship status,pictures together in different occasions, testimonies from friends. kaya sa tingin ko tatangapin ang marriage license. samahan mo na rin joint account, remittance at properties. Samahan mo na din ng wedding invitation para pruweba na ikakasal nga kayo. Hindi mahigpit ang case officer, any proof na magpapatibay sa claim ng applicant ,tinatanggap nila.

Talaga? Di sila gaanong strict sa proof ng de facto? What are other strong proofs pa for de facto? Thanks

What will happen if di mag qualify yung partner mo as de facto? Ma dedeny ba yung buong visa app?

dapogi · July 2014

@netzkeenet matatanggal sya sa visa application, but main applicant will proceed. in my case, since we were not confident of our de facto status (back then), we decided to include her as a non-migrating dependent so we did not pay the visa fee. when the decision was made, the visa was still approved but did not include her. kung nasama sya, sayang ang Php75K.

netzkeenet · July 2014

@dapogi
Thank you sa reply. Ay ganon d na nila babalik ung fees for your partner?pero since you included her as non migrating ng pa medicAl din siya at police clearance? Nagpasa din kayo ng papers as de facto? So pano mo po siya isama sa australia niyan?

netzkeenet · July 2014

I thought kasi na pag nde ng qualify ung partner mo ma deny din yung sa main applicant.

DMAU2012 · July 2014

@netzkeenet May possibility na ma deny or marefuse ang main applicant if kumuha to ng points sa partner skills galing sa ka de facto.

At any refusal ng visa ay forfeited ang bayad.

I thought kasi na pag nde ng qualify ung partner mo ma deny din yung sa main applicant.

netzkeenet · July 2014

@DMAU2012 pero kung hindi naman po mag claim ng partner points, if ever d sya mag qualify proceed parin ang main applicant?

DMAU2012 · July 2014

@netzkeenet, yes proceed si main applicant, once mayroon ng marriage certificate, madali na lang iadd yung wife/husband pag may PR visa na.

@DMAU2012 pero kung hindi naman po mag claim ng partner points, if ever d sya mag qualify proceed parin ang main applicant?

netzkeenet · July 2014

@netzkeenet, yes proceed si main applicant, once mayroon ng marriage certificate, madali na lang iadd yung wife/husband pag may PR visa na.
@DMAU2012 pero kung hindi naman po mag claim ng partner points, if ever d sya mag qualify proceed parin ang main applicant?

So pano po yung under parnter visa na siya yung 309? diba matagal processing non

dapogi · July 2014

@netzkeenet yes mag 309 na lang. ang SLA ata is 12 months.

netzkeenet · July 2014

@dapogi sorry what's SLA? since non migrating siya nag pass pa kayo nung proof for de facto like affidavits, pictures etc?

dapogi · July 2014

@netzkeenet sorry, hehe. service level agreement or kung gaano katagal nila I p process yung visa. yes we did submit all of the evidences required na as if kasama sya sa visa application. ang difference lang is walang bayad.

netzkeenet · July 2014

@dapogi na qualify ung partner mo sa non migrating.? Sorry dami tanong

dapogi · July 2014

hi @netzkeenet ok lang. eto naman yung purpose ng forum na to.

unfortunately, hindi. pero ok lang. sa 309 na lang. di pa kami kasi kasal nung na grant ang visa.

RED · July 2014

hi @dapogi . sorry medyo confused lang ako. does it mean na at first kasama yung future bride mo that time then hindi siya naaccept as de facto? kaya di nalang siya kinonsider sa application? then ngayon kasal na kayo mag partner visa nalang?

sorry dami din tanong kasi parang medyo same case tayo. parang gusto din namin magrisk itry yung defacto.

dapogi · July 2014

hi @RED. yes on your first question, but as non-migrating dependent (kaya walang bayad). yes din on your 2nd and 3rd questions.

feeling ko lang, based sa questions na binato ng CO, ang pinaka relevant na evidences are: 1. joint ownership of assets/liabilities like bank accounts; and 2. evidence that you are living together. wala kami nung number 1 kaya siguro di na approve.

what im not sure is, if na approve sya as non-migrating dependent, anong visa path yung dadaanan nya. though ive read somewhere na if later mag apply sya, mas madali na yung process.

go go lang sa questions. utang ko din sa forum na to yung lahat ng kasagutan sa mga tanong ko dati.

RED · July 2014

thanks @dapogi, in my case kasi yung ilodge ko is migrating dependent ang future wife ko meaning kasama ko na siya sa subclass 189 na ilodge ko. we also don't have those documents and at the same time we are in a long distance relationship. hoping na pag nainvite is maging succesful naman.

netzkeenet · July 2014

@dapogi thank you po for answering at least now I know pag di ng qualify ung partner hindi marefuse ung buong visa application

hopefully sana ma qualify kami

jenipet20 · July 2014

@dapogi - hi po! Ano ano b mga sinubmit nyo bakit hnd enough yung pinakita nyo? Kinabahan naman ako..kasi de facto din kami ng bf ko.. Ala kami joint account...

dapogi · July 2014

@jenipet20 @RED hi guys, im speaking based on my experience and my case may be different to yours. also, baka iba-iba rin yung decision based on COs. im pretty sure meron dito na nag apply na de facto na na approve. but just to share, eto yung mga documents na sinubmit namin:
1. Testimonials from friends as well as personal testimonial on how our relationship "evolved"
2. Billing statements showing the same address
3. Pictures (a lot of them)
4. Birthday cards and love letters
5. Plane Tickets of our travels together
6. Deposit slips with reference to our account numbers

jenipet20 · July 2014

@dapogi - bakit di kau sure as de facto? Di ba kau magkasama? Kinakabahan tuloy ako..

netzkeenet · July 2014

@dapogi di naman nila ni specify kng ano reason why hindi n approve? Kabado tuloy ako. Anyway buti nalang dmo na siya naisama as migrating sayang din ung 1760aud. Bale 12months plus po kayo same house?