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  • kindredkindred Sydney
    Posts: 537Member
    Joined: Jul 15, 2013
    @aiayosef hi! Worrying will impede your communication ability. Just relax and keep your eyes on the ball-- communicate and enjoy!
    Sa speaking kasi importante ang fluency and less hesitation. I remember the examiner and I laughing at the 3rd stage of the speaking test coz I was just being me and honest and spontaneous. Nung writing part, habang gigil na gigil sumagot agad mga katabi ko pag abot ng booklet, I took a moment to understand the question and slowly wrote in outline prior to writing. It turns out I managed two tasks on time coz I had a plan beforehand while the others were panicking midway to erase or add.
    Relax, be honest, and enjoy!
    That's the key!

    IELTS - 5/ 06/13-- L-8.5; S-8.5;W-8.5;R-8.5
    ANZSCO CODE:241411
    Assessment (AITSL) - 18/07/13
    Assessment Positive Result-11/09/13
    EOI lodged-11/09/13
    Invitation SI(Subclass 189)-16/09/13
    Visa lodgement-05/10/13
    PCC and All docs upload- 10/10/13
    Form 80 upload- 24/10/13
    Medicals Done/ Uploaded ( SLEC )- 31/10/13
    Uploaded Docs Received (DIBP screen )- 31/10/13
    CO allocated- 20/11/13- GSM Brisbane Team 34
    Visa Granted: 25/11/13
    Date first hired: Jan 2014
    Registered and accredited BOSTES- April 2014
    Second Job- April 2014 Language College Sydney- Part time
    Third Job- July 2015 to present ESL Full time high school teacher in a Grammar School in Sydney
    --In Him alone is our strength--- in God's grace!!

  • kindredkindred Sydney
    Posts: 537Member
    Joined: Jul 15, 2013
    @be20 Good on you!! That's rgd spirit. Pero kelngan b mag leave if you can study at night? Online exercises abound and free! Anyway, it helps that you watch and listen to Questiion Hour Oz parliament youtube where you'll learn expressions including idioms you can use in writing and speaking. Listening is also developed. 3-in-1!

    Well it depends on your learning style if taking a leave will be more beneficial to you!

    However you decide, goodluck!!

    IELTS - 5/ 06/13-- L-8.5; S-8.5;W-8.5;R-8.5
    ANZSCO CODE:241411
    Assessment (AITSL) - 18/07/13
    Assessment Positive Result-11/09/13
    EOI lodged-11/09/13
    Invitation SI(Subclass 189)-16/09/13
    Visa lodgement-05/10/13
    PCC and All docs upload- 10/10/13
    Form 80 upload- 24/10/13
    Medicals Done/ Uploaded ( SLEC )- 31/10/13
    Uploaded Docs Received (DIBP screen )- 31/10/13
    CO allocated- 20/11/13- GSM Brisbane Team 34
    Visa Granted: 25/11/13
    Date first hired: Jan 2014
    Registered and accredited BOSTES- April 2014
    Second Job- April 2014 Language College Sydney- Part time
    Third Job- July 2015 to present ESL Full time high school teacher in a Grammar School in Sydney
    --In Him alone is our strength--- in God's grace!!

  • be20be20 Mandaluyong
    Posts: 6Member
    Joined: Sep 07, 2015
    @kindred hello po mam hingi po aq ng opinion nyo....balak ko po kumuha ng unit ng early childhood...para un nalang po aplyan q...kc po un ab history q n course
    na may unit n rin nman ng educ ay sa high school ako ng ojt....ngaun po kung kukuha po aq ng unit ng early childhood kelangan q p po b mag ojt sa kinder khit now naman po ay regular teacher n aq s grade two( na under p rin ng ece)? bk po kc masayang un experience q n 8 years( s grade two)
    kpg high school inaplyan q...
  • jimwelljimwell Dinalupihan
    Posts: 2Member
    Joined: Sep 28, 2015
    @wynx mahirap po bang magturo sa australia?
  • kindredkindred Sydney
    Posts: 537Member
    Joined: Jul 15, 2013
    @be20 hi sorry just got back from 1 week vacay in Manila. Anyway, if you read the AITSL and Immi guidelines, the points you'll be credited for would be the sum of bachelor, experience, age, and IELTS. If you just intend to take some units for early childhood, then it wouldn't be credited any points because only the completed degrees count. I'm just not sure if that's what you meant with your question. So in the end, you have to decide in which pathway would you get here higher points for credit

    IELTS - 5/ 06/13-- L-8.5; S-8.5;W-8.5;R-8.5
    ANZSCO CODE:241411
    Assessment (AITSL) - 18/07/13
    Assessment Positive Result-11/09/13
    EOI lodged-11/09/13
    Invitation SI(Subclass 189)-16/09/13
    Visa lodgement-05/10/13
    PCC and All docs upload- 10/10/13
    Form 80 upload- 24/10/13
    Medicals Done/ Uploaded ( SLEC )- 31/10/13
    Uploaded Docs Received (DIBP screen )- 31/10/13
    CO allocated- 20/11/13- GSM Brisbane Team 34
    Visa Granted: 25/11/13
    Date first hired: Jan 2014
    Registered and accredited BOSTES- April 2014
    Second Job- April 2014 Language College Sydney- Part time
    Third Job- July 2015 to present ESL Full time high school teacher in a Grammar School in Sydney
    --In Him alone is our strength--- in God's grace!!

  • keziahsiscarkeziahsiscar Sydney
    Posts: 79Member
    Joined: Oct 04, 2015
    Hi.

    I recently submitted my docs for assessment to aitsl (pre-primary) and im quite worried with the requirement of 45 days of supervised teaching. I had my 150 hours OJT for toddlers class and another 150 hours for 4's and 5's class. The aitsl requires the age group 3-8 for pre primary assessment, so, do you think my 150 hours for 4's and 5's class will suffice?

    Is there an equivalent hours for the 45 days teaching?

    Help please... Thank you so much.

    ANZSCO 241111: Early Childhood Teacher

    25 Jul 2015- IELTS (r-8.5, l-8.5, s-8.5, w-7.5)
    6 Oct 2015- Submitted documents for AITSL assessment
    2 Dec 2015- Received AITSL suitable result
    3 Dec 2015- Submitted EOI (65pts)
    4 Dec 2016- Received ITA
    9 Jan 2016- Lodged VISA 189
    13 Jan 2016- Medical (SLEC)
    22 Jan 2016- CO requested for PCC and marriage certificate (both front loaded) and Form 80
    03 Feb 2016- VISA GRANT


  • SaiSai Posts: 27Member
    Joined: Jan 14, 2016
    edited January 2016
    Hi. Good evening. I'm new to this forum. I am a preschool teacher and I already have teaching experiences handling pupils from Toddlers to Gr. 4. May I just ask if it is possible if I can directly get myself qualified by ACECQA even if I'm still in the Philippines? And then just look for employer sponsored jobs through the different job websites online?

    I am hoping you can answer my queries. Thank you.
  • sunflowersunflower Brisbane
    Posts: 438Member
    Joined: May 10, 2015
    @Sai
    To be honest, I don't know any teacher who have gone this route. Anyway, ACECQA is very strict with their qualifications when it comes to Early Childhood Teaching. You'd have to check first if your degree and school are listed in ACECQA's approved qualifications. Search for it in this page: http://www.acecqa.gov.au/Qualifications.aspx

    If it's not there, then you'll have to go through a different route -- through Visa 189 or 190 or student visa. Good luck!

    EARLY CHILDHOOD (PRE-PRIMARY SCHOOL) TEACHER (ANZSCO 241111)

    11/Apr/15: IELTS-IDP AU (L: 8.5, R: 8.5, W: 7.5, S: 8.0)
    14/May/15: Lodged AITSL Application
    14/Jul/15: Positive Assessment from AITSL
    24/Jul/15: Submitted EOI (60 pts.)
    6/Sep/15: Received ITA
    19/Sep/15: Lodged Visa 189
    16/Oct/15: Lodged documents for Teacher Registration
    27/Oct/15: CO Allocated (Team Adelaide)
    10/Dec/15: Visa Grant :)
    12/Feb/16: Became a Registered Teacher in QLD
    5/Jun/16: Big Move to Oz!
    11/Jun/16: Hired as a Kindergarten Teacher

    "Keep your face to the sunshine and you cannot see the shadows. It's what the sunflowers do." -Helen Keller

  • SaiSai Posts: 27Member
    Joined: Jan 14, 2016
    edited January 2016
    @sunflower Oh that's too bad. I was already compiling my requirements pa naman. I also have a prospective center that offers sponsorships for their employees. Hehe. I already checked my school, unfortunately, it's not on the list. Well, student visa has always been my plan B. Might as well take that route. Thanks for your reply. Are you an ACECQA qualified educator po?
  • sunflowersunflower Brisbane
    Posts: 438Member
    Joined: May 10, 2015
    @Sai
    I'm a qualified Pre-Primary School teacher according to AITSL, a migrant assessment body, but I'm not qualified by ACECQA standards. It's because I didn't have a teaching practicum load for children within the 0-3 years range.

    Why don't you do the Visa 189 route? (Read more here: https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/189-)

    EARLY CHILDHOOD (PRE-PRIMARY SCHOOL) TEACHER (ANZSCO 241111)

    11/Apr/15: IELTS-IDP AU (L: 8.5, R: 8.5, W: 7.5, S: 8.0)
    14/May/15: Lodged AITSL Application
    14/Jul/15: Positive Assessment from AITSL
    24/Jul/15: Submitted EOI (60 pts.)
    6/Sep/15: Received ITA
    19/Sep/15: Lodged Visa 189
    16/Oct/15: Lodged documents for Teacher Registration
    27/Oct/15: CO Allocated (Team Adelaide)
    10/Dec/15: Visa Grant :)
    12/Feb/16: Became a Registered Teacher in QLD
    5/Jun/16: Big Move to Oz!
    11/Jun/16: Hired as a Kindergarten Teacher

    "Keep your face to the sunshine and you cannot see the shadows. It's what the sunflowers do." -Helen Keller

  • SaiSai Posts: 27Member
    Joined: Jan 14, 2016
    @sunflower From my understanding, you can not teach preschool in Australia if you're not qualified by ACECQA even if you're AITSL qualified. Is that correct or you can still teach with only your AITSL qualification? I'm also planning to study Masters in Special Education that's why student visa is my Plan B. However, I don't know if I can support myself there if that's the case.

    Sorry I have a lot of questions. I don't have a migration agent kasi, that's why I'm only relying on the different posts here. So far, they have been very helpful. :-)
  • sunflowersunflower Brisbane
    Posts: 438Member
    Joined: May 10, 2015
    @Sai
    That's right, I cannot teach in a preschool in Australia since I'm not qualified by ACECQA. However, ACECQA has a special circumstance for teachers with Primary School Teacher qualifications. In my case, as soon as I enrol in a diploma/other approved degree for Early Childhood Teaching, I can be considered as a Pre-Primary School Teacher. (Source: http://www.acecqa.gov.au/actively-working-towards-an-approved-qualification)

    No worries! Feel free to ask away. I myself did not seek the help of an agent. :)

    EARLY CHILDHOOD (PRE-PRIMARY SCHOOL) TEACHER (ANZSCO 241111)

    11/Apr/15: IELTS-IDP AU (L: 8.5, R: 8.5, W: 7.5, S: 8.0)
    14/May/15: Lodged AITSL Application
    14/Jul/15: Positive Assessment from AITSL
    24/Jul/15: Submitted EOI (60 pts.)
    6/Sep/15: Received ITA
    19/Sep/15: Lodged Visa 189
    16/Oct/15: Lodged documents for Teacher Registration
    27/Oct/15: CO Allocated (Team Adelaide)
    10/Dec/15: Visa Grant :)
    12/Feb/16: Became a Registered Teacher in QLD
    5/Jun/16: Big Move to Oz!
    11/Jun/16: Hired as a Kindergarten Teacher

    "Keep your face to the sunshine and you cannot see the shadows. It's what the sunflowers do." -Helen Keller

  • SaiSai Posts: 27Member
    Joined: Jan 14, 2016
    edited January 2016
    @sunflower I hope you don't mind, may I ask how much did you spend for all your applications as well as starting your life there? Kahit approximation lang. You can direct message me if you want. But if you do mind, it's okay if you don't answer the question.
  • ljustljust Sydney
    Posts: 148Member
    Joined: Jun 18, 2012
    @Sai If your school is not on the qualified list of ACECQA, then you can always have them assess it. I've done this and I am currently working here now as a diploma assistant, I am on student visa applying for 189/190. In your case, you can go through the ACECQA route and find an employer willing to sponsor. However, your qualifications should at least be equivalent to a Diploma as per ACECQA standards in order to be sponsored by an employer
  • SaiSai Posts: 27Member
    Joined: Jan 14, 2016
    @beaj Did you have your qualifications assessed when you were still in the Philippines? Aside from the requirements listed on their page, did they ask you for other requirements like course descriptions or aei noosr? Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post.
  • sunflowersunflower Brisbane
    Posts: 438Member
    Joined: May 10, 2015
    edited January 2016
    @Sai
    So far, the things I've paid for are the following:

    AITSL Assessment for Migration - AUD 600.00
    IELTS - Approx. AUD 790.00 (since I took it 3x)
    Visa 189 - AUD 3600.00
    NBI Clearance - AUD 3.00
    Medical - AUD 121.00
    Teacher Registration - AUD 241.65 (needed for Primary School teaching, not Early Childhood teaching)

    TOTAL: AUD 5, 597.30 (approx. PHP 195, 905.50)

    The price is pretty steep, but I really think it'll be worth it in the long run. :)
    I haven't made the big move to Australia yet, so I can't tell you about the price of living yet for sure. You can read more about it in these threads:

    http://pinoyau.info/discussion/3514/cost-of-living-comparison
    http://pinoyau.info/discussion/3500/cost-of-living-in-sydney
    http://pinoyau.info/discussion/963/cost-of-living-brisbane
    http://pinoyau.info/discussion/2452/how-much-should-i-bring-to-australia

    EARLY CHILDHOOD (PRE-PRIMARY SCHOOL) TEACHER (ANZSCO 241111)

    11/Apr/15: IELTS-IDP AU (L: 8.5, R: 8.5, W: 7.5, S: 8.0)
    14/May/15: Lodged AITSL Application
    14/Jul/15: Positive Assessment from AITSL
    24/Jul/15: Submitted EOI (60 pts.)
    6/Sep/15: Received ITA
    19/Sep/15: Lodged Visa 189
    16/Oct/15: Lodged documents for Teacher Registration
    27/Oct/15: CO Allocated (Team Adelaide)
    10/Dec/15: Visa Grant :)
    12/Feb/16: Became a Registered Teacher in QLD
    5/Jun/16: Big Move to Oz!
    11/Jun/16: Hired as a Kindergarten Teacher

    "Keep your face to the sunshine and you cannot see the shadows. It's what the sunflowers do." -Helen Keller

  • ljustljust Sydney
    Posts: 148Member
    Joined: Jun 18, 2012
    @Sai I had it assessed here. Can't remember if I needed to submit my course description before but I am quite sure I had my degree assessed by AEI-NOOSR first as that is also a requirement of ACECQA.
  • SaiSai Posts: 27Member
    Joined: Jan 14, 2016
    @sunflower Oh. God bless on your move! Thanks for answering my questions.
  • SaiSai Posts: 27Member
    Joined: Jan 14, 2016
    @beaj I can't seem to find the website for aei noosr. Do you still know the site? And what are the requirements?
  • ljustljust Sydney
    Posts: 148Member
    Joined: Jun 18, 2012
    @Sai there might be changes to it already as I can't find it as well. You might want to check ACECQA if they still require it. Here's the new website for aei noosr though https://internationaleducation.gov.au/Pages/default.aspx
  • SaiSai Posts: 27Member
    Joined: Jan 14, 2016
    @beaj Hi. I emailed ACECQA and they aren't asking for an AEI equivalence anymore. I'm quite nervous to have my degree qualified. I hope it will go well. Thank you for your assistance. Do you know any UST graduates who have been qualified by ACECQA?
  • keziahsiscarkeziahsiscar Sydney
    Posts: 79Member
    Joined: Oct 04, 2015
    Hi. I hope somebody can help me with this question.

    -Which should i do first as an early childhood teacher, register with the state where i intend to work or register with Acecqa?

    Thank you.

    ANZSCO 241111: Early Childhood Teacher

    25 Jul 2015- IELTS (r-8.5, l-8.5, s-8.5, w-7.5)
    6 Oct 2015- Submitted documents for AITSL assessment
    2 Dec 2015- Received AITSL suitable result
    3 Dec 2015- Submitted EOI (65pts)
    4 Dec 2016- Received ITA
    9 Jan 2016- Lodged VISA 189
    13 Jan 2016- Medical (SLEC)
    22 Jan 2016- CO requested for PCC and marriage certificate (both front loaded) and Form 80
    03 Feb 2016- VISA GRANT


  • keziahsiscarkeziahsiscar Sydney
    Posts: 79Member
    Joined: Oct 04, 2015
    @sunflower hi i hope you can advise me with my concern. Should i register with the state first or acecqa? What should be my first step to be considered as an early childhood teacher?

    We will make the big move on may and hopefully register by june because my ielts will expire (*12months) by july.

    Thank you so much.

    ANZSCO 241111: Early Childhood Teacher

    25 Jul 2015- IELTS (r-8.5, l-8.5, s-8.5, w-7.5)
    6 Oct 2015- Submitted documents for AITSL assessment
    2 Dec 2015- Received AITSL suitable result
    3 Dec 2015- Submitted EOI (65pts)
    4 Dec 2016- Received ITA
    9 Jan 2016- Lodged VISA 189
    13 Jan 2016- Medical (SLEC)
    22 Jan 2016- CO requested for PCC and marriage certificate (both front loaded) and Form 80
    03 Feb 2016- VISA GRANT


  • rdagulanrdagulan Davao City
    Posts: 51Member
    Joined: Feb 09, 2016
    Hello po, BS COMP SCI po ako pero nag 18 untis po ako sa PCU ng BS ED... clarify ko lng muna sa school kung ito po ay equivalent ng BSED in Gen. Ed or Secondary kc wala pong nakalagay sa TOR ko pero ung PRC license ko po is Secondary... currently graduating po ako ng MA Ed this april... working po sa elementry public school.. eto po mga tanong ko..(sana po may pumansin)
    A) sa skill po ano po ang mas dapat na inominate ko? 1) SECONDARY TEACHER ...wala po akong work experience dyan, 2) Pre-primary.. may experience but i dont know kung pde edectl bckgrnd ko, 3) may 2 yrs volunteer work xprnc po ako sa public at may mga trainings and seminar ako.. at mas in demand po siya.. for further proof kya ko po humingi ng certificates na iswitch n lng ung 4 yrs experience ko sa kindergarten kc with in school nmn... or dis coming SY kinder nlng handle ko.. ang isa pa pong opts ko is mag aral ng earlychldhdcre 3 mos lng po at certi po iyon dto sa lassale dasma which is rank2 po ... alin po sa mga opts ko ang mkakatulong ng malaki sakin sa assessment?

    ***pls help po... to God be the glory***
  • sunflowersunflower Brisbane
    Posts: 438Member
    Joined: May 10, 2015
    edited February 2016
    @keziahsiscar
    Hi there! Ikaw yung FLCD, right? With regards to ACECQA, it is not really a "registration body" so as long as your qualification AND school appears in their approved qualifications list (http://www.acecqa.gov.au/Qualifications.aspx), then you don't need to apply for "registration" for them. You'll only apply to have your qualifications checked from them (http://www.acecqa.gov.au/Assessment-of-equivalent-early-childhood-educator-qualifications) if your qualification is NOT listed.

    What is your target state? There are some states wherein you will need to be registered as ECT (usually teacher registration is for Primary or Secondary teachers). However, in Queensland, there is no need to be registered to become an Early Childhood Teacher. Usually, all you need are the following: your ECT qualifications, working with children check, and first aid, anaphylaxis and asthma certificates.

    It's not as complicated as taking a licensure exam for teachers here in the Philippines, huh? :)


    @rdagulan
    Hi! Just like I mentioned before, the migration assessment body will take your educational background into consideration more than your actual job experience, so if your degree is more related to Secondary Education than Early Childhood, then I suggest you have your assessment done for Secondary Education. :)

    EARLY CHILDHOOD (PRE-PRIMARY SCHOOL) TEACHER (ANZSCO 241111)

    11/Apr/15: IELTS-IDP AU (L: 8.5, R: 8.5, W: 7.5, S: 8.0)
    14/May/15: Lodged AITSL Application
    14/Jul/15: Positive Assessment from AITSL
    24/Jul/15: Submitted EOI (60 pts.)
    6/Sep/15: Received ITA
    19/Sep/15: Lodged Visa 189
    16/Oct/15: Lodged documents for Teacher Registration
    27/Oct/15: CO Allocated (Team Adelaide)
    10/Dec/15: Visa Grant :)
    12/Feb/16: Became a Registered Teacher in QLD
    5/Jun/16: Big Move to Oz!
    11/Jun/16: Hired as a Kindergarten Teacher

    "Keep your face to the sunshine and you cannot see the shadows. It's what the sunflowers do." -Helen Keller

  • rdagulanrdagulan Davao City
    Posts: 51Member
    Joined: Feb 09, 2016
    @rdagulan pahabol ung number 3 po ay pre-primary or early childhood.. certificates po pala ang ginagranted ng de la salle pag ntpos ung course advantage po ba un pra ma link ko po ung work experiences ko sa educ..? Tnx po
  • rdagulanrdagulan Davao City
    Posts: 51Member
    Joined: Feb 09, 2016
    ... im hoping for asap response mga sis hehehe.. ilang days na po ako nalilito.. naguguluhan at nalilinawan sa forum dto.. di npo ako halos mkatulog kc ang bagal ng net ko pag nag switch to next page.. but im very thankful sana noon ko pa nlaman ito time flies by.. not getting younger huhuh.. im turning 39 nxt year kya sna mka lodge din kmi ni hubby huhuhu :((
  • sunflowersunflower Brisbane
    Posts: 438Member
    Joined: May 10, 2015
    edited February 2016
    @rdagulan
    I replied to your concern, two posts up there. Anyway, in addition to what I mentioned: If your PRC license indicates Secondary Education, then probably your educational background is equivalent to Secondary Education. For teacher assessment, you'll have to sit the IELTS Academic first and get a score of at least 8.0 in Speaking and Listening and at least 7.0 in Writing and Reading. Then the next step would be to lodge your documents, along with your IELTS results, to AITSL for migration purposes. :)

    EARLY CHILDHOOD (PRE-PRIMARY SCHOOL) TEACHER (ANZSCO 241111)

    11/Apr/15: IELTS-IDP AU (L: 8.5, R: 8.5, W: 7.5, S: 8.0)
    14/May/15: Lodged AITSL Application
    14/Jul/15: Positive Assessment from AITSL
    24/Jul/15: Submitted EOI (60 pts.)
    6/Sep/15: Received ITA
    19/Sep/15: Lodged Visa 189
    16/Oct/15: Lodged documents for Teacher Registration
    27/Oct/15: CO Allocated (Team Adelaide)
    10/Dec/15: Visa Grant :)
    12/Feb/16: Became a Registered Teacher in QLD
    5/Jun/16: Big Move to Oz!
    11/Jun/16: Hired as a Kindergarten Teacher

    "Keep your face to the sunshine and you cannot see the shadows. It's what the sunflowers do." -Helen Keller

  • keziahsiscarkeziahsiscar Sydney
    Posts: 79Member
    Joined: Oct 04, 2015
    @sunflower thank you for the reply. I recently checked acecqa, i didnt find FLCD in the list.

    We will be staying with my MIL in NSW (border ng NSW and QLD yung suburb nya). So if ever i find work in QLD, no need to register anywhere? I can apply as soon as i get there?

    How about in NSW? Do i need to register with BOSTES?

    Thank you so much.

    ANZSCO 241111: Early Childhood Teacher

    25 Jul 2015- IELTS (r-8.5, l-8.5, s-8.5, w-7.5)
    6 Oct 2015- Submitted documents for AITSL assessment
    2 Dec 2015- Received AITSL suitable result
    3 Dec 2015- Submitted EOI (65pts)
    4 Dec 2016- Received ITA
    9 Jan 2016- Lodged VISA 189
    13 Jan 2016- Medical (SLEC)
    22 Jan 2016- CO requested for PCC and marriage certificate (both front loaded) and Form 80
    03 Feb 2016- VISA GRANT


  • rdagulanrdagulan Davao City
    Posts: 51Member
    Joined: Feb 09, 2016
    @sunflower mam got it po! Mas concern po ung assessing body sa degree ko rather than my experience sa work ..cguro po ask n lng po ako ng practicum sa school ko pero sa secondary level po tma po ba? 2nd question po pag halimbawa po naging suitable result kaso pag nag pa skill ponts po ako ma zezero po ba ako job related experience? Kc po primary ang xp ko? Bababa po ba points ko?
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