Australian Computer Society Skills Application

rich88 · February 2016

@rich88 I would think that would be enough, ung akin less than that 6 bullets lang. For one company 2 pages? Mostly sakin 1 page lang like the ACS sample, except dun sa isang company na sa 2nd page nakalagay ung bullets for JD kasi bawal daw galawin ung standard format ng coe nila.

@tiggeroo umabot lang ng 2 pages kasi pinasulat ko rin sa manager ko ung start, end, designation ko. pero ung actual JD, half page lang.. mga 7 bullets lang.

SAPinoy · February 2016

@guenb, @tiggeroo, thanks sa answers! 2009 pa pala yung TOR ko...hehe...
anyways, follow up question po sana:
Example:
1) Company 1 - Role is QA but Position is Associate Software Engineer - different team and manager
2) Company 1 - Role is Functional Analyst but Position is Software Engineer, Senior Software Enginer and Systems Analysts (3 positions before ako umalis ng company) - different team and manager

Question: Pwede bang isang Manager lang yung pumirma sa Stat Dec since isang company lang naman lahat ng role na to? TIA!

rich88 · February 2016

@tiggeroo nasubmit ko na ung requirements sa ACS.. hoping for the best...

rich88 · February 2016

@guenb, @tiggeroo, thanks sa answers! 2009 pa pala yung TOR ko...hehe...
anyways, follow up question po sana:
Example:
1) Company 1 - Role is QA but Position is Associate Software Engineer - different team and manager
2) Company 1 - Role is Functional Analyst but Position is Software Engineer, Senior Software Enginer and Systems Analysts (3 positions before ako umalis ng company) - different team and manager

Question: Pwede bang isang Manager lang yung pumirma sa Stat Dec since isang company lang naman lahat ng role na to? TIA!

@SAPinoy bro yung sa akin, isang manager lang ang nag sign kasi same company lang din ako. Kumbaga sya yung head ng buong QA department namin. hope that helps.

SAPinoy · February 2016

@rich88, ako po ay isang sis..lol!
anyways, kaso yung akin kasi is ibang department talaga? Siguro mas maganda kung yung pinaka recent manager na lang para safe..

btw, yung manager pala na pipirma is godfather ng anak ko ang kakapromote nya lang last year.. my bearing po ba yun? dapat po ba Manager level na sya nung nandun ako?

rich88 · February 2016

@SAPinoy sis ang intindi ko kasi, kung sino yung manager/direct superior mo during your tenure, sya dpat ang pipirma. kung sya ung pinaka recent na direct superior mo bago ka umalis, i guess pwede yun.

in my case naman, dati hindi ako directly reporting sa kanya. meron pang isang lead before yung manager na pumirma nung reference ko. nung 2014, napromote ako to lead position so directly reporting na ako sa kanya ngayon, so sya na lang yung pumirma nung reference ko.

make sure na lang na nabasa nya yung mga dineclare mo sa reference kasi nasa acs guidelines kasi na ilalagay yung contact number nung pumirma, baka tawagan sya to verify if lahat ng dineclare mong task ay totoo.

rich88 · February 2016

Hi!

I'm planning to pursue my AU dream this June so I've been reading posts here for several weeks na. I have idea about the process but hopefully someone can advise regarding my case.

Current Work: Technology Consultant, 5 years going 6 this June
Job that I Aim for Skilled Visa: System Analyst

Questions:
1) My bf has pretty much the same work experience. We're in the same company. Our plan is to both get the assessment and English Test then kung sino mas mataas sa IELTS, yun mag submit ng EOI. Tama ba to? Kaya lang we're not living together but in a relationship for 3 yrs. Papasa ba as de facto partner? What I can share to prove is credit card statement, since supplementary ko sya and kasama na yung mga photos, conversation, etc.

2) Paano po ma-determine if nominated by state? Or based sa points ko?

3) If nag-lodge na ng VISA, may chance pa ba yun na ma-deny? I think health is one factor pero other than that ano pa po?

4) If ako yung primary applicant ng visa then bf ko yung sub, can he also apply for his mother ng sabay na samin

@ichi_pestano hello, baka makatulong tong mga sagot ko sa mga tanong mo.

1. Tama naman yun, kung sino mas mataas IELTS, mas ok. pero i suggest na mag pa assess muna kayo sa ACS at icheck kung sino sa inyong dalawa ang mas maraming na-credit na years of experience.

Yung sa de-facto partner query, yes papasa yan kasi 12 months ang minimum requirement ng DIBP. Pwede rin na proof yung credit card bill. Mas ok sana if meron kayong joint account. in my case, my fiance and I have a joint account and we live together. so ang proof namin is yung leasing contract and yung joint account statement. nasa DIBP site rin yun..

excerpt from the DIBP site:

Spouse or de facto partner

If you are married or in a de facto relationship, provide evidence of a genuine and continuing relationship with your partner at the exclusion of all others.
If you are married provide a scanned colour copy of marriage certificate or relationship registration for you and your partner
For de facto relationships this should include evidence that you have been in the relationship for at least 12 months at time of application. Evidence can include, but is not limited to, joint bank account statements, billing accounts in joint names, other evidence of cohabitation etc).
If you or anyone included in the application has been widowed, divorced or is permanently separated: a certified scanned colour copy of the relevant death certificate, divorce decree absolute, or statutory declaration/separation certificate.

2. for the state nomination, check mo dito sa site na to if andito yung occupation na gusto mong i-nominate: https://www.anzscosearch.com/. Andyan na rin kung anong state ang nagso-sponsor nun.

3. yes, may chance pa rin. based dun sa agent na natanungan ko before, usually health and police clearance ang nagiging issue kung bakit narereject ang visa.

4. if ikaw yung main, bf mo is your dependent, tapos mother ng bf mo ang isa pang dependent, i don't think pwede kasi you don't have a direct relationship with her.. i'm not sure about this though, you can read this excerpt from the DIBP site about "other dependents."

Other dependent relatives

For all other dependent relatives included in your application:
A completed Form 47A
evidence of the relationship between this applicant and you or your spouse (birth & marriage certificates, etc)
evidence that this relative lives in your household
evidence your relative has been financially dependent on you for at least the 12 months immediately before you lodge your application
if your relative has been widowed, divorced or is permanently separated a copy of any relevant death certificate, divorce decree absolute, or statutory declaration/separation certificate.

Sorry haba ng sagot.. hehe, hope i was able to enlighten you somehow.

guenb · February 2016

@ichi_pestano one factor why na-reject is over-claiming of points sa EOI

tiggeroo · February 2016

@rich88 goodluck mate! review na for english exam while waiting

tiggeroo · February 2016

@ichi_pestano hello, I'll try to answer some of your Qs too since similar din to my case:
1. That's what me and my partner did too, both got assessed and took the english exams. In the strict sense defacto means living together, and the date you started the defacto relationship will be the date you started living together. So make sure lang ung proof of billing and such that you will use as paper proof of your relationship will extend way back to the date when you will claim to have started the defacto relationship.

4. Is your bf's mother living with you (the couple)? This will probably be the biggest question you will have to answer and prove. Based on what you mentioned on #1, you will be using your credit card bills na naka secondary si bf, so I'm guessing address un ng house mo, and not your bf's house? So if you will use that for defacto proof, you will also have to prove that your MIL lives in that same house.
My take on this last one is that, if long long long term you really plan on getting your MIL to AU, and since both kayo ni bf skilled. Apply kayo separately with your bf putting in his mom as his dependent. This will still turn out way cheaper and faster than going through the parent visa path which will cost you more than a million in pesos and take 30 years to apply.
You can also check this case:
http://pinoyau.info/discussion/6022/rejected-dependent-parent-can-still-re-appeal#latest

rich88 · February 2016

@tiggeroo yeah, review review na for IELTS while waiting. as of now Stage 1 pa rin. D ata sila nag wowork pag weekend haha. thanks!

Once submitted na yung status sa ACS, hindi mo na ba talaga makikita kung ano yung occupation na ni-nominate mo? ang nakasulat na lang kasi is "in progress" eh.

is there a way para makita yun?

gmont · February 2016

Pwede ka ba magsubmit ng eoi kahit wala kang makuha na points sa experience pero sinabi naman ni acs na suitable ka (pero 2 years lang)? Bale visa 190 yung applyan dahil dun kukuha ng 5 pts para maka 60. Ok lang ba yun?

tiggeroo · February 2016

@gmont yup bale ung acs assessment magagamit mo padin sa qualification points kung bachelor or diploma

gmont · February 2016

@tiggeroo ok thanks sa info!

coachella9 · February 2016

Hello Forumers,

Meron po ba sa inyo ang nag go through ng VETASSES dahil nag RPL route sa ACS (especially yung mga nag ANZSCO Code: 261112 - System Analyst)?. I hope you can share your experiences po and kung may helpful link po kayo ng separate forum discussion for ACS and VETASSES Points Test Advice. Thanks and more power.

chrisa · February 2016

Hello po,

Pahelp po please. Gusto ko sama mag apply under skilled- 190. Work ko po is business analyst.

Ito po ang qualification ko:
Graduate- 2008, BS. Industrial engineering- PUP sta mesa

Work/ position: total of 8 years
2008- 2011- sap consultant
2011- 2013- business solutions manager
2013- present- business analyst

Lahat po yan is SAP functional, ng iiba lang ung job title kasi ung ibang company iba iba tawag.

Based po sa pagkaintindi ko, ibabawas po nila is 6 years as working experience kasi hindi naman ako IT course, so bale 8 years less 6 years = 2 years skilled experience.

Hindi po ako papasok sa minimum criteria na 3 years skilled experience.

Is there a way na ma credit po nila ung iba kong years na skilled experience?

Sayang naman po kasi, last time pwede na sana ako, kaso kulang pa ng years, so nghintay ako.. tapos handa na ako, nagbago naman sila. Palagi ako ng hihintay at umaasa. Nakakatakot baka next year bigla nanaman magtaas

Samalat po.

prcand · February 2016

not necessarily... IT Biz Analyst din ako, pero 4 years ang bawas nila kahit CompSci ako from UP. pero may kilala ako from ateneo na walang bawas, compSci din, developer ang NOC. eto rin tanong ko, kasi nabasa ko depende ata sa officer na nag assess ng case mo.

Hello po,

Pahelp po please. Gusto ko sama mag apply under skilled- 190. Work ko po is business analyst.

Ito po ang qualification ko:
Graduate- 2008, BS. Industrial engineering- PUP sta mesa

Work/ position: total of 8 years
2008- 2011- sap consultant
2011- 2013- business solutions manager
2013- present- business analyst

Lahat po yan is SAP functional, ng iiba lang ung job title kasi ung ibang company iba iba tawag.

Based po sa pagkaintindi ko, ibabawas po nila is 6 years as working experience kasi hindi naman ako IT course, so bale 8 years less 6 years = 2 years skilled experience.

Hindi po ako papasok sa minimum criteria na 3 years skilled experience.

Is there a way na ma credit po nila ung iba kong years na skilled experience?

Sayang naman po kasi, last time pwede na sana ako, kaso kulang pa ng years, so nghintay ako.. tapos handa na ako, nagbago naman sila. Palagi ako ng hihintay at umaasa. Nakakatakot baka next year bigla nanaman magtaas

Samalat po.

chrisa · February 2016

@prcand so depende po talga? hay sana naman maayos at maganda assessment

nakakaiyak

prcand · March 2016

yeah... ung JD ko sa lahat ng companies (from reputable MNCs) since i started working contained key phrases ng IT biz analyst (ie, gathering business requirements, translating to IT systems). tapos decent naman grades ko for my BS CS degree.

maliban nalang siguro if either, they only consider CS for programmers / developers, at hindi IT Biz Analyst. or that ung IT Biz Analyst ay masyado maraming nag-apply kaya medyo strikto sila na may bawas talaga.

so, it really doesn't make sense na 4 years ang bawas. natempt nga akong i challenge ung results (reassessment), pero since pasok parin sa 3 years, binawi ko nalang sa IELTS.

@prcand so depende po talga? hay sana naman maayos at maganda assessment nakakaiyak

ichi_pestano · March 2016

@rich88 Thank you! All clear!

Most de facto cases na nababasa ko dito, engaged na or live-in. Sana pasok pa rin kahit in a relationship lang given na more than 1 year na kami. Will work on getting a joint account na rin to prepare. Thanks for the advice!

Siguro dun sa mom nya, pwede kayang mauna kaming dalawa tapos sya yung mag sponsor pag andon na kami?

ichi_pestano · March 2016

@guenb Thanks! Good luck sa exam! Yan din kinakatakot kong part.

rich88 · March 2016

4. Is your bf's mother living with you (the couple)? This will probably be the biggest question you will have to answer and prove. Based on what you mentioned on #1, you will be using your credit card bills na naka secondary si bf, so I'm guessing address un ng house mo, and not your bf's house? So if you will use that for defacto proof, you will also have to prove that your MIL lives in that same house.
My take on this last one is that, if long long long term you really plan on getting your MIL to AU, and since both kayo ni bf skilled. Apply kayo separately with your bf putting in his mom as his dependent. This will still turn out way cheaper and faster than going through the parent visa path which will cost you more than a million in pesos and take 30 years to apply.
You can also check this case:
http://pinoyau.info/discussion/6022/rejected-dependent-parent-can-still-re-appeal#latest

@ichi_pestano hi, in my case, yes tama ka, engaged na kami and we're planning to get married by the end of the year..

regarding your partner's mom, quote ko lang yung sinabi ni @tiggeroo na mas makakamura pa daw kayo if nag separate application kayo. bale primary kayo ni partner mo, tapos dependent ng partner mo yung mom nya.

ichi_pestano · March 2016

@tiggeroo

I thought about it din nga. Kaya lang, Plus half of the regular VISA kapag sub-applicant na si bf. Kaya naisip ko na cheaper than both of us going through the same process. So, thanks for providing this option.

From what I've been reading, mukhang mahirap ma-prove yung de facto relationship since we're not living in the same house.

ichi_pestano · March 2016

@rich88 Yep! Noted. Thanks!

tiggeroo · March 2016

@prcand looking at the acs anzsco descriptions, parang MIS ang course na hanap nila for business analyst based on the core ICT units, then nasa additional closely related lang ung most cs subjects. Meron actually ako kilala na iska din bscs applied for system analyst, 4 years binawas sa kanya, then meron siyang colleague na bs information systems pero 2 years lang ang bawas. Since same occupation group ang ICT Business and System Analysts, mukhang sa course nagkatalo.

@chrisa hindi naman po minimum requirement ang 3 years, so even without this basta maabot mo ung 60points and get suitable for migration in the result letter, you can still apply.

prcand · March 2016

makes sense... sana nga eto ung reason, else, kakalungkot

@prcand looking at the acs anzsco descriptions, parang MIS ang course na hanap nila for business analyst based on the core ICT units, then nasa additional closely related lang ung most cs subjects. Meron actually ako kilala na iska din bscs applied for system analyst, 4 years binawas sa kanya, then meron siyang colleague na bs information systems pero 2 years lang ang bawas. Since same occupation group ang ICT Business and System Analysts, mukhang sa course nagkatalo.

ichi_pestano · March 2016

Random IT-Professional-related question:

Yung average monthly sweldo ba ng mga non-programmers IT Professionals sa AU, enough kaya to survive? Kaya ba i-cover yung basic expenses like rent, food, etc.? Or medyo mahihirapan?

May separate thread po ba dito discussing cost of living sa AU?

coachella9 · March 2016

Hi Forumers, I just received the good news.My result came out. "Suitable". Yaaayy! Thank you Lord and sa lahat ng help dito sa forum. Sobrang bilis, i took only 3 days yung assessment. ang bilis. Well next is IELTS, prepping for IELTS.

se29m · March 2016

@coachella9 baka abot ka na 60 points.. Lodge na for march invitation round.. Congrats!

se29m · March 2016

@ichi_pestano yes there is, i cannot provide you the link now kasi ipad gamit ko, but you can search on the google custom search sa upper right portion ng page...