Australian Computer Society Skills Application

chewychewbacca · July 2016

@greatsoul Kaya yan! Just prepare and review!

chewychewbacca · July 2016

Guys, napakahaba ng backlog ng ICT jobs. Nag research ako kanina eh. May 19 ako nagpasa tapos 1 month pa ang natitira na backlog for 2613 occupations. Sharing lang. Ang hirap rin pala mag antay ng ITA.

guenb · July 2016

@chewychewbacca tiwala lang, ung NSW last week pa ng July din mg lalabas ng invites

vylette · July 2016

@chewychewbacca oo nga ako rin nagbasa basa, parang mga april batch ng ICT plng yung mga nainvite yata nung July 6. tapos mga 70 at konting 65 pa lang. naku pano pa kaya yung june lang nagsubmit ng eoi and 60 points

mga sept pa siguro?

vbarry25 · July 2016

Hi All,

I'm new to this forum and I needed some advices from those who submitted skills assessment to ACS. I'm planning to submit an application kasi for skills assessment (ICT Project Manager) however I am not sure if I am qualified since yung work experience is only 3 years from a multinational company here in Cebu but it is closely related to the ANZSCO Descriptions for ICT Project Manager. With this, anyone can confirm if my belief is really correct? hehe. na closely related ang job description ko the ANZSCO description? And my 3 years experience, makaka kuha kaya ako ng "Suitable" assessment nito? saying kasi yung $500 f babagsak.

Here are the ANZSCO Description for "ICT Project Manager":
Plans, organises, directs, controls and coordinates quality accredited ICT projects. Accountable for day-to-day operations of resourcing, scheduling, prioritization and task coordination, and meeting project milestones, objectives and deliverables within agreed timeframes and budgets.
Description of Employment Duties:
 analyzing information needs and specifying technology to meet those needs
 formulating and directing information and communication technology (ICT) strategies, policies and plans
 directing the selection and installation of ICT resources and the provision of user training
 directing ICT operations and setting priorities between system developments, maintenance and operations
 overseeing the security of ICT systems

And this is my job Description and responsibilities:

These professionals enable more effective program management at lower cost that increases the overall quality of Delivery. They support projects in the Delivery Centers by tracking and managing project management office activities. They proactively monitor, manage and report on execution of deliverables. They recognize and solve issues. Master communicators, they manage across multiple stakeholders to align priorities and direction.

Thank you po sa sasagot.

guenb · July 2016

@vbarry25 give po kayo further info like what was your course in college & from what school? Yung current role niyo po ba as project manager is in the IT industry?

Noodles12 · July 2016

@vbarry25 try niyo po compare sa link yung sa work experience niyo and pati nadin sa curriculum niyo kung related.

https://www.acs.org.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/7641/ANZSCO-Descriptions-2015.pdf

Kung 3 yrs palang talaga work experience mo baka hindi ka makakuha ng points since usually nag babawas pa sila ng experience. May factor din kung anong section ng school mo.

chewychewbacca · July 2016

@guenb Sana mainvite tayong lahat soon. Ako kasi papasok na ng 2 months ang waiting for ITA. Yung pila talaga mahaba.

chewychewbacca · July 2016

vylette said:
@chewychewbacca oo nga ako rin nagbasa basa, parang mga april batch ng ICT plng yung mga nainvite yata nung July 6. tapos mga 70 at konting 65 pa lang. naku pano pa kaya yung june lang nagsubmit ng eoi and 60 points mga sept pa siguro?

Lumabas na results nung July 6 invite rounds. For 2613 April 20 with 65points yung last na nainvite so 1 month backlog pa nga talaga for 65pointers. Nag check ako ng immitracker last nainvite ng 60points was February 17. Hintayan lang talaga or pataas pa ng points.

vbarry25 · July 2016

@guenb @Noodles12 Salamat po sa reply. I graduated with BSIT in Iligan Medical Center College po I think section 2 lang xa. My current role po is a Project Management Officer, but I'm just an Analyst di pa po Manager, hehe but yes I am in IT Industry.

My plan kasi is to go with Subclass 500 (Student Visa) pero if possible kasi ma pasok yung experience as suitable, subclass 489 ang ita try ko, since my sponsor ako na kuya. And currently kaya ko maka kuha ng 50 points (Age + english), pero pag subclass 489 I think kailangan padin e assess ang experience mo ng ACS.

guenb · July 2016

@vbarry25 yes you really need the assessment from ACS plus the english exam, regarding the sponsorship by family your brother needs to live in a designated area for him to be a sponsor & for you to have that extra 10pts. On a side note, for visa 489 via family sponsorship, occupation must be in SOL
https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/489-
Designated areas of Australia

State or territory
Australian Capital Territory (ACT) - Entire territory
New South Wales (NSW) - (except Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong)
2311 to 2312, 2328 to 2333, 2336 to 2490, 2535 to 2551, 2575 to 2739, 2787 to 2898
Northern Territory - Entire territory
Queensland - (anywhere outside the Brisbane metropolitan area)
4019 to 4028, 4037 to 4050, 4079 to 4100, 4114, 4118, 4124 to 4150, 4158 to 4168, 4180 to 4899
South Australia - Entire state
Tasmania - Entire state
Victoria - Entire state
Western Australia - Entire state

Regarding naman sa deductible years it will depend on the units/subjects you've taken in college if it's closely related to your nominated work, if closely related then 2years lang e require from you if your degree will be equal to AQF Bachelor:

135112 - ICT Project Manager
Description of Closely Related Core ICT Units:
 Business Information Systems
 Business Intelligence
 Business Process Reengineering
 Business System planning
 Critical Path Method
 Enterprise Architecture - (Enterprise Resource Management, Emerging Technologies)
 ICT Management
 ICT Strategy
 Information System Risk Management
 Information System Security
 Information Systems Management
 Management Information Systems
 Project Management
 Project Planning
 System Integration
 Systems Acquisition – (eg: Resource Management)
Description of Additional Closely Related ICT Units:
 Algorithm design (Algorithm development)
 Artificial intelligence
 Automata theory
 Computer Science
 Database design
 Database implementation
 Database Management Systems - (Relational Database, Object Oriented Database)
 Expert Systems
 File Processing
 Human Computer Interaction
 Information Systems
 Introduction to ICT - (Introduction to Computer Science, Computer Theory, Introduction to Business Computing, Computer Science I)
 Introduction to Information Systems
 Programming - (C, C++, Objective C, Visual C, Basic, Visual Basic, Java, Assembler, Cobol, Pascal, PL/1, Fortran, PHP, Pearl, AS3, FoxPro, and similar)
 Quality management - (Quality Assurance, Software Quality)
 Software Engineering
 Software validation - (Software Testing, Testing strategies and methods)
 Web Engineering - (Web Design, Internet Engineering)

I can say with your 3years of experience it's a bit of a risk, kasi it's possible they will require you 4years, pero sabi nga nila it's a leap of faith, you'll never know unless you have your credentials assessed. Good Luck!

@chewychewbacca unting antay na lang yun bro, ako nga sa October pa pwede mag EOI, chill na lang muna

chewychewbacca · July 2016

@pinoycoder Hi, kamusta na EOI mo?

pinoycoder · July 2016

hey @chewychewbacca still waiting pa din. eh sakto naghanap din ako ng new job dito SG, so hindi mainip sa pag hihintay. check mo to
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Wpxz_YSkxwGIDU4jaok7MkApZRJbyB8BdETAJG3eboA/htmlview

shielalables · July 2016

@chewychewbacca @pinoycoder good luck sa inyo guys!

sana mainvite na kayo soon

tiwala lang!

chewychewbacca · July 2016

@pinoycoder Waiting game ka na rin for ITA. Kapit lang. Mahaba ang pila talaga for 2613. Mag 2 months na ako nagaantay.

Uy, thank you dun sa Google Docs! Nag check rin ako sa immitracker eh. So far wala pa ako nakikita don nagpapasa na 70pointers ulit so hoping na wala magpasa para more chances sa'tin mga 70 below. Haha

chewychewbacca · July 2016

@shielalables Thank you!

Sana mag dilang anghel ka!

tomangelo · July 2016

May tanong po ako. I'm planning to send my details to ASC para ma assess ako. Currently I have 4 years of total work experience and a bachelor's degree. Sana ma assess ako as major ICT tapos with a deduction yun of 2 working years. So, it means I have 2 years remaining for points to be claimed for the immigration. But we all know di counted yung 2 years diba? 3 years and above ang minimum for 5 points. Okay lang ba yun na mag send ako ng application sa ACS and next year na ako mg submit sa Immigration ng details ko para ma claim ko yung 5 points for 3 years experience and above?

There is another option for me though, I don't have to wait for next year pero Skilled Nominated Subclass 190 yung kunin ko to reach 60 points.

But my main question is yun nga, pde ba mag apply sa ACS now, then I'll have the updated working experience next year to be submitted sa immigration?

Thanks sa mga mag answer. I'll prepare my docs tomorrow for ACS kasi, sana papalarin.

guenb · July 2016

@tomangelo sure pwede ka talaga magpa-assess now, your result naman is good for two years so in case you'll use it next year pa, no need na umulit. Then have the updated working experience next year to be submitted sa immigration.

tomangelo · July 2016

How about po if mag fail ang assessment ko like not suitable, are there any additional fees if gusto ko magpa reassess?

guenb · July 2016

@tomangelo if unsuitable meron option for review/appeal basta within 60days I think, check mu na lang sa ACS website. Fee is AU$395 you can add supporting docs w/c can help with the review. After 60 days it's already considered as new application & new payment na

greatsoul · July 2016

tomangelo said:
May tanong po ako. I'm planning to send my details to ASC para ma assess ako. Currently I have 4 years of total work experience and a bachelor's degree. Sana ma assess ako as major ICT tapos with a deduction yun of 2 working years. So, it means I have 2 years remaining for points to be claimed for the immigration. But we all know di counted yung 2 years diba? 3 years and above ang minimum for 5 points. Okay lang ba yun na mag send ako ng application sa ACS and next year na ako mg submit sa Immigration ng details ko para ma claim ko yung 5 points for 3 years experience and above?

There is another option for me though, I don't have to wait for next year pero Skilled Nominated Subclass 190 yung kunin ko to reach 60 points.

But my main question is yun nga, pde ba mag apply sa ACS now, then I'll have the updated working experience next year to be submitted sa immigration?

Thanks sa mga mag answer. I'll prepare my docs tomorrow for ACS kasi, sana papalarin.

yung sa years of deduction, d mo masasabi na 2yrs lang ang idededuct sau... unless maganda school mo at grades mo... hehe

tomangelo · July 2016

guenb said:
@tomangelo if unsuitable meron option for review/appeal basta within 60days I think, check mu na lang sa ACS website. Fee is AU$395 you can add supporting docs w/c can help with the review. After 60 days it's already considered as new application & new payment na

Thanks for this po! Sana di masayang investment natin dito.

greatsoul said:

tomangelo said:
May tanong po ako. I'm planning to send my details to ASC para ma assess ako. Currently I have 4 years of total work experience and a bachelor's degree. Sana ma assess ako as major ICT tapos with a deduction yun of 2 working years. So, it means I have 2 years remaining for points to be claimed for the immigration. But we all know di counted yung 2 years diba? 3 years and above ang minimum for 5 points. Okay lang ba yun na mag send ako ng application sa ACS and next year na ako mg submit sa Immigration ng details ko para ma claim ko yung 5 points for 3 years experience and above?

There is another option for me though, I don't have to wait for next year pero Skilled Nominated Subclass 190 yung kunin ko to reach 60 points.

But my main question is yun nga, pde ba mag apply sa ACS now, then I'll have the updated working experience next year to be submitted sa immigration?

Thanks sa mga mag answer. I'll prepare my docs tomorrow for ACS kasi, sana papalarin.
yung sa years of deduction, d mo masasabi na 2yrs lang ang idededuct sau... unless maganda school mo at grades mo... hehe

Yun nga eh, hopeful lang ako. I checked the list of schools and luckily section 1 naman siya, ewan ko nalang sa grades ko. Hahaha

What I'm worried is yung Course ko is BS Computer Engineering pero may major kasi kami sa school, so major in Computer Networks ako. Yung gusto ko i-nomiate sa ANZSCO is Software Engineer kasi yun yung work experience ko for my two companies. Sana ma assess as Closely related to the nominated occupation at di lang sila mag focus dun sa computer networks na major ko kasi basically konting subjects lang yung mga difference nun sa ibang majors namin sa CompE. Tska mostly, kaming mga CompE graduates parang software engineer lang din yung work. Natatakot ako ma deduct ng 4 years sa work experience ko kasi need ko yung points for 3 years and up.

Nabalitaan ko yung pagbabago na 70 points for South Australia. Kasama ba dun yung victoria? Which is south east? Anong mga lugar affected nun? Like adelaide?

tomangelo · July 2016

greatsoul said:

ajboy said:
Sirs/Ma'am,

On uploading documents for Skills Assessment of ACS, (Relevant Experience) "Your PDF file name must match the "Attachment Type" name. Please consolidate all multipage files into one PDF for each attachment type. Maximum PDF file size is 3MB". "

I have several position titles on different companies. I think I have 5 work references on hand. Should the 5 notarized work references be scanned into 1 file and filename should be "Reference" as it is the attachment type? Or it should be 5 PDF files? If that's the case I wonder if I can use Reference, Reference1, Reference2.. etc as their filenames.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Hello all,

Im about to submit na sana yung sa ACS, ganto din po ba ginawa nyo sa references?

Reference1.pdf
Reference2.pdf
Reference3.pdf

On the ACS document it says

Consolidate all pages into one PDF document for each qualification and each employment entry.

Could anyone explain this? Intindi ko dito ay lahat ng docs sa isang pdf file lang. Ano ibig sbihin ng each qualification AND each employment entry?

Noodles12 · July 2016

@tomangelo

For each work experience mo isang entry. 1 PDF file pedeng multiple pages.

sakin ang ginawa ko since multiple position per company ako. (if na promote or nag iba ng position title) per position may entry ako.

e.g.

Company 1, junior staff = 1 PDF file
Company 1, Senior staff = 1 PDF file (same as the first one)
Company 2 = 1 PDF file

greatsoul · July 2016

tomangelo said:

guenb said:
@tomangelo if unsuitable meron option for review/appeal basta within 60days I think, check mu na lang sa ACS website. Fee is AU$395 you can add supporting docs w/c can help with the review. After 60 days it's already considered as new application & new payment na
Thanks for this po! Sana di masayang investment natin dito.
greatsoul said:

tomangelo said:
May tanong po ako. I'm planning to send my details to ASC para ma assess ako. Currently I have 4 years of total work experience and a bachelor's degree. Sana ma assess ako as major ICT tapos with a deduction yun of 2 working years. So, it means I have 2 years remaining for points to be claimed for the immigration. But we all know di counted yung 2 years diba? 3 years and above ang minimum for 5 points. Okay lang ba yun na mag send ako ng application sa ACS and next year na ako mg submit sa Immigration ng details ko para ma claim ko yung 5 points for 3 years experience and above?

There is another option for me though, I don't have to wait for next year pero Skilled Nominated Subclass 190 yung kunin ko to reach 60 points.

But my main question is yun nga, pde ba mag apply sa ACS now, then I'll have the updated working experience next year to be submitted sa immigration?

Thanks sa mga mag answer. I'll prepare my docs tomorrow for ACS kasi, sana papalarin.
yung sa years of deduction, d mo masasabi na 2yrs lang ang idededuct sau... unless maganda school mo at grades mo... hehe
Yun nga eh, hopeful lang ako. I checked the list of schools and luckily section 1 naman siya, ewan ko nalang sa grades ko. Hahaha

What I'm worried is yung Course ko is BS Computer Engineering pero may major kasi kami sa school, so major in Computer Networks ako. Yung gusto ko i-nomiate sa ANZSCO is Software Engineer kasi yun yung work experience ko for my two companies. Sana ma assess as Closely related to the nominated occupation at di lang sila mag focus dun sa computer networks na major ko kasi basically konting subjects lang yung mga difference nun sa ibang majors namin sa CompE. Tska mostly, kaming mga CompE graduates parang software engineer lang din yung work. Natatakot ako ma deduct ng 4 years sa work experience ko kasi need ko yung points for 3 years and up.

Nabalitaan ko yung pagbabago na 70 points for South Australia. Kasama ba dun yung victoria? Which is south east? Anong mga lugar affected nun? Like adelaide?

actually kahit nasa section 1 school mo sir, pwede ka parin madeduct ng 4 or 6 yrs, depends kung hinde talaga sya related sa nominated occupation mo... expect the worst case nalang sir... medyo masama kasi sa pakiramdam yung mali yung output ng expectations mo... hehe!

pero hopefully maging ok lahat.. lahat naman tayo dito ganon ang gusto...

recently lumabas din sakin, AQF Bachelor , 4 yrs deduction... Mapua, BSIT, Analyst Programmer.

All the best sir!

tomangelo · July 2016

Noodles12 said:
@tomangelo

For each work experience mo isang entry. 1 PDF file pedeng multiple pages.

sakin ang ginawa ko since multiple position per company ako. (if na promote or nag iba ng position title) per position may entry ako.

e.g.

Company 1, junior staff = 1 PDF file
Company 1, Senior staff = 1 PDF file (same as the first one)
Company 2 = 1 PDF file

How about yung other requirements? Like yung TOR, Diploma, Passport ko? yung COE (Reference) ko is two companies, tapos two positions each pero one page per company yung ginawa ko, may inclusive dates lang yung positions. Same sa sample na binigay ng ACS.

So with my example:
Company 1-> position1, position2 = 1PDF file
Company 2-> position1, position2 = 1 PDF file

The remaining docs I have?
TOR & Diploma = 1 PDF file?
Passport = Another 1 PDF file?

So in total I will be sending 4 PDF files? please correct me if I'm wrong.

greatsoul said:

tomangelo said:

guenb said:
@tomangelo if unsuitable meron option for review/appeal basta within 60days I think, check mu na lang sa ACS website. Fee is AU$395 you can add supporting docs w/c can help with the review. After 60 days it's already considered as new application & new payment na
Thanks for this po! Sana di masayang investment natin dito.
greatsoul said:

tomangelo said:
May tanong po ako. I'm planning to send my details to ASC para ma assess ako. Currently I have 4 years of total work experience and a bachelor's degree. Sana ma assess ako as major ICT tapos with a deduction yun of 2 working years. So, it means I have 2 years remaining for points to be claimed for the immigration. But we all know di counted yung 2 years diba? 3 years and above ang minimum for 5 points. Okay lang ba yun na mag send ako ng application sa ACS and next year na ako mg submit sa Immigration ng details ko para ma claim ko yung 5 points for 3 years experience and above?

There is another option for me though, I don't have to wait for next year pero Skilled Nominated Subclass 190 yung kunin ko to reach 60 points.

But my main question is yun nga, pde ba mag apply sa ACS now, then I'll have the updated working experience next year to be submitted sa immigration?

Thanks sa mga mag answer. I'll prepare my docs tomorrow for ACS kasi, sana papalarin.
yung sa years of deduction, d mo masasabi na 2yrs lang ang idededuct sau... unless maganda school mo at grades mo... hehe
Yun nga eh, hopeful lang ako. I checked the list of schools and luckily section 1 naman siya, ewan ko nalang sa grades ko. Hahaha

What I'm worried is yung Course ko is BS Computer Engineering pero may major kasi kami sa school, so major in Computer Networks ako. Yung gusto ko i-nomiate sa ANZSCO is Software Engineer kasi yun yung work experience ko for my two companies. Sana ma assess as Closely related to the nominated occupation at di lang sila mag focus dun sa computer networks na major ko kasi basically konting subjects lang yung mga difference nun sa ibang majors namin sa CompE. Tska mostly, kaming mga CompE graduates parang software engineer lang din yung work. Natatakot ako ma deduct ng 4 years sa work experience ko kasi need ko yung points for 3 years and up.

Nabalitaan ko yung pagbabago na 70 points for South Australia. Kasama ba dun yung victoria? Which is south east? Anong mga lugar affected nun? Like adelaide?
actually kahit nasa section 1 school mo sir, pwede ka parin madeduct ng 4 or 6 yrs, depends kung hinde talaga sya related sa nominated occupation mo... expect the worst case nalang sir... medyo masama kasi sa pakiramdam yung mali yung output ng expectations mo... hehe!

pero hopefully maging ok lahat.. lahat naman tayo dito ganon ang gusto...

recently lumabas din sakin, AQF Bachelor , 4 yrs deduction... Mapua, BSIT, Analyst Programmer.

All the best sir!

Good point, yun naman tlaga mantra ko in life. Expect less.

This brings me to my next question, sa mga Computer Engineer jan, ano yung mga nominated occupation niyo na considered kayo as bachelor's degree ACT major tapos 2 years deduction? I'm planning software engineer kasi, mas gusto ko yung path na yun.

guenb · July 2016

@tomangelo ok naman na yung pag list mu ng pdf file. Actually yung entry kasi sa ACS parang per work episode so khit nka include sa iisang pdf file okay lang nman yun na ma i-upload uli. May case naman kasi sympre na sa isang company multiple positions. Don't worry so much about it, parang tulad sa case ko yung 2 working episodes ko e same pdf file lang naman inupload ko.
Yung TOR & Diploma pala e separate mu na lang.
With your course kasi as CoE yung hunch ko is 4years yung deduction, as per the ANZCO description eto yung subject na closely related sa SE, and naalala ko pa last year nagkaroon ng discussion sa thread kung anu yung mga closely related na NOCs with respective courses

Description of Closely Related Core ICT Units:
• Algorithm design and development
• Compilers - (Compiler Construction, Compiler Theory)
• Data structures
• Formal languages - (Formal Methods, Functional Programming)
• Human Computer Interaction
• Object Oriented Programming
• Operating systems - (Unix, Linux, Xenix, Network OS)
• Programming - (C, C++, Objective C, Visual C, Basic, Visual Basic, Java, Assembler, Cobol, Pascal, PL/1, Fortran, PHP, Pearl, AS3, FoxPro, and similar)
• Software Engineering
• Systems Programming
• Testing strategies and methods - (Software Testing)

With CoE kasi napansin ko lang mas closely related tayo sa 263111 - Computer Network and Systems Engineer

chewychewbacca · July 2016

@tomangelo Parang wala naman masyado basis yung grades more on the subjects ata. Bagsak nga ako sa isang programming subjects ko non eh.

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tomangelo · July 2016

Mag sesend na ako documents sa ACS today or tomorrow after ko ma scan at maayos as pdf files. By the way, yung balitang 70 points na yung for South Australia, kasama ba yung melbourne dun? yun kasi balak kong puntahan sana for state sponsorship (to get higher points)

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Another question.
For Skills application type, there are four options.
Yung option 3 pipiliin for visa 189/190 noh?
3. Skills (Qualifications and details of Experience must be supplied)

Other options are 1. Temporary Graduate, 2. Post Australian Study skills assessment, 4. RPL

Just clarifying on this baka magkamali ako hehe

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Nakakatakot mag file na sa ACS site.