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Joined: Sep 22, 2012
1. Dapat po ba 489 visa but Nominated by State na lang o 190 visa? Ano pong masusugest nyo?
2. Confuse lang po ako sa CSOL for visa 190 at 489 (nominated by state) at SNOL kasi nung icheck ko ung state nomination for South Australia may SNOL pa which is my job is not included. Paclarify naman po.
Maraming salamat!
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- first you have to check if your skill is in the SOL/CSOL (eto po ang master list, so kung wala dito.. hindi talga pwede.. you have to look for other options)
- then if you require state sponsorship, kailangan nandun din sa listahan ng state ang skill mo
so you have to satisfy these two requirements kung mag aaply ka ng 190..
Visa 190 requires sponsorship from the state.. so kung wala sa state na un ang skill mo, they will not be able to sponsor you... you have to check other states..
Visa 489 is sponsored by relative, who is living in a designated area...
Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company..
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Joined: Sep 22, 2012
I'm an undergraduate of Tourism and currently a call center agent. I'm really interested to work in Australia but i don't know where and how to start. I checked the SOL and Call Center Manager is on the list, however, im only an agent. Would my position as an agent still falls under Call Center Manager? Should the IELTS exam comes from AU?
Thank You
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Joined: Jul 31, 2012
I will try to answer your questions, first, dapat po alamin nyo muna yung mag-assess ng skills nyo. Sa Case nyo "Call Center Manager", under vetassess so eto yung link to help you understand kung ano yung dapat mo gawin:
http://www.vetassess.com.au/migrate_to_australia/qa2_nominating_occupation.cfm
Dito nyo po malalaman kung suitable ang qualification dun sa nominated skills na gusto nyo.
Agent po eh iba sa Call Center Manager not unless very similar po yung ipapakita nyo na work experiences nyo as an agent to a Call Center Manager.
IELTS exam puede po sa pinas manggaling kung nasa pinas ka, kung nasa labas naman po ng pinas at available ang ielts puede po doon manggaling, kung wala naman po center na puede pagkuhanan ng ielts exam, puede po lumabas ng bansa to take the exam.
Systems Administrator (ANZSCO: 262113)
01Aug2012: Docs Preparation
11Sep2012: ACS Assessment Submission
15Oct2012: ACS Assessment Positive Result
17Nov2012: IELTS Exam
30Nov2012: IELTS Results L:6.5 WRS:7.0 OB:7.0, EOI Creation and NSW SS Submission
19Mar2013: NSW SS Acknowledgement Letter Received
01May2013: NSW SS Approval Email Received, SkillSelect Invite Received
29May2013: Visa 190 Lodgement (LORD MARAMING SALAMAT Po, wag nyo po muna ako kukunin sa dami ng Blessings nyo! ;-))
01June2013: NBI Clearance Application
03June2013: Mailed NBI Clearance Application Received by Ms. JM
06June2013: Medical Examination
12June2013: CO allocated Adelaide GSM Team 6
13June2013: SG PCC Applied
14June2013: Evidence of Income Submitted
17June2013: Medical Results Uploaded
19June2013: Form 80 and 1221 Uploaded
25June2013: NBI Clearance received from Mother Land ;-)
Uploaded
03July2013: SG PCC Released and Uploaded
05July2013: VISA Grant (with de facto)!!! SALAMAT LORD!!!!
Oct2013: EID Completed.
Oct2013: Job Offer received; SALAMAT LORD!!!!
Jan2014: Starting a life in Down Under, Corporate Slave doing the rat race!!!
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Joined: Jul 20, 2012
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then kung nasa CSOL sya and nasa SA-SNOL sya, that means SA can sponsor her...
Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company..
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Joined: Jul 20, 2012
Posts: 123Member
Joined: Sep 29, 2012
Is it possible if i apply my spouse visa later on while my visa is on processing stage as my secondary applicant?
Jan 2014 - IED
Thank you Lord
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
You can include your fiancee in your application as a partner - just double check specifics on this as I am not too familiar with this.
CHEERS!!
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 5,037Member, De-activated
Joined: Feb 23, 2012
yes possible naman po yun... regarding changes of information/details including additional dependents while the the visa application is on process, meron pong form na kailangan fill-up and submit sa kanila..
malalaman mo yung form number, pag nagsubmit kana ng application...
ksama yan sa information i-send sa inyo pag nagka Case Officer na..
one thing to note though, ang processing ngaun from EOI-Visa application is < 3 months (guesstimate)..
so kung magpapakasal ka in the next 3 months, bkt di mo na lang hintayin at isabay agad ang secondary application.... para walang hassle...
goodluck..
Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company..
Posts: 87Member
Joined: Mar 24, 2012
TELECOMMUNICATIONS ENGINEER (263311)
03.10.2012 - IELTS exam (IDP)
03.23.2012 - IELTS Results (L:7.5 R:7.5 W: 7.5 S: 7.5)
04.17.2012 - Lodged CDR
09.07.2012 - Received successful assessment EA
09.09.2012 - Submitted EOI - 190
09.13.2012 - Submitted SS (SA)
10.08.2012 - Submitted EOI - 189
10.14.2012 - Received invite (189)
10.15.2012 - Lodged 189 Visa
10.16.2012 - DIAC Acknowledgment
10.22.2012 - PCC
10.24.2012 - Medical
11.03.2012 - CO Allocation; Adelaide Team 6 CC
11.13.2012 - Visa Granted! (God is good all the time!)
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 78Member
Joined: Apr 03, 2012
Primary Applicant Wife:
262113 Systems Administrator
Secondary Applicant Me:
312211 Civil Engineering Draftsperson
Oct 31 2012 - Visa 190 Granted (IED March 27, 2013)
Feb 20 2013 - Flight to Sydney
Mar 04 2013 - Flight to Adelaide
Thank You Lord!
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
I know there is an obligation to fulfill your state sponsorship requirements but I am not sure if it was spelled our in writing yung consequence if you choose not to follow it...
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 78Member
Joined: Apr 03, 2012
and pagdating mo sa AU kailangan mong inform yun State na nagsponsor sayo na dumating ka na sa AU dahil may survey na sasagutan every 6 months yata for 2 years.
Primary Applicant Wife:
262113 Systems Administrator
Secondary Applicant Me:
312211 Civil Engineering Draftsperson
Oct 31 2012 - Visa 190 Granted (IED March 27, 2013)
Feb 20 2013 - Flight to Sydney
Mar 04 2013 - Flight to Adelaide
Thank You Lord!
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 78Member
Joined: Apr 03, 2012
Primary Applicant Wife:
262113 Systems Administrator
Secondary Applicant Me:
312211 Civil Engineering Draftsperson
Oct 31 2012 - Visa 190 Granted (IED March 27, 2013)
Feb 20 2013 - Flight to Sydney
Mar 04 2013 - Flight to Adelaide
Thank You Lord!
Posts: 1,643Member
Joined: Nov 10, 2011
Occupation: Analyst Programmer (ANZSCO Code 261311)
May 21 2012 - lodged visa 176 (NSW) online application
May 30 2012 - CO allocation
Jul 16 2012 - Visa Granted! (IED Deadline: May 16, 2013)
Jan 19 2013 - Arrived in Sydney
Jan 20 2013 - Started our job hunt
Mar 11 2013 - Officially became a "HOUSE-BAND"
Apr 22 2013 - End of my "HOUSE-BAND" career
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 87Member
Joined: Mar 24, 2012
TELECOMMUNICATIONS ENGINEER (263311)
03.10.2012 - IELTS exam (IDP)
03.23.2012 - IELTS Results (L:7.5 R:7.5 W: 7.5 S: 7.5)
04.17.2012 - Lodged CDR
09.07.2012 - Received successful assessment EA
09.09.2012 - Submitted EOI - 190
09.13.2012 - Submitted SS (SA)
10.08.2012 - Submitted EOI - 189
10.14.2012 - Received invite (189)
10.15.2012 - Lodged 189 Visa
10.16.2012 - DIAC Acknowledgment
10.22.2012 - PCC
10.24.2012 - Medical
11.03.2012 - CO Allocation; Adelaide Team 6 CC
11.13.2012 - Visa Granted! (God is good all the time!)
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
I mean I don't see the point in applying to a different state only to really live in either Melbourne or Sydney... Clearly it is not right, when you look at it as it is.
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
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example: Initial entry first in sydney (because you want to visit relatives)...
then move to your state sponsor...
Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company..
Posts: 314Member
Joined: Mar 22, 2012
Occupation: Industrial Engineer
11/05/2011 - IELTS exam at BC (L-6.5,R-6,W-6.5,S-6.5)
02/06/2012 - EA received my CDR
04/17/2012 - Received Favorable Letter from EA
04/21/2012 - IELTS exam retake at IDP (L-8, R-6, W-6.5, S-6)
07/03/2012 - Applied online for SA Statesponsorship
08/13/2012 - SA SS approved
08/16/2012 - Received an invitation in skill select
09/11/2012 - Lodge a visa subclass 190
09/13/2012 - Acknowledgement Receipt & Medicals Requested
09/19/2012 - Medicals Done
12/11/2012 - Medicals Finalised
12/14/2012 - Visa Grant
03/18/2013 - Flight to Adelaide
04/22/2013 - Got my first Job
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but reading the obligation stated in the website.. it does not say, that you have to be there for the FIRST two years... in fact it just say.. stay for at least two years..
Reference DIAC: you are nominated by a State or Territory government, you need to agree to:
- remain in the State or Territory for a period of at least two years
- keep the State or Territory government informed of changes in address details before and after arrival
- be prepared to complete surveys and provide information as required.
Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company..
Posts: 314Member
Joined: Mar 22, 2012
Occupation: Industrial Engineer
11/05/2011 - IELTS exam at BC (L-6.5,R-6,W-6.5,S-6.5)
02/06/2012 - EA received my CDR
04/17/2012 - Received Favorable Letter from EA
04/21/2012 - IELTS exam retake at IDP (L-8, R-6, W-6.5, S-6)
07/03/2012 - Applied online for SA Statesponsorship
08/13/2012 - SA SS approved
08/16/2012 - Received an invitation in skill select
09/11/2012 - Lodge a visa subclass 190
09/13/2012 - Acknowledgement Receipt & Medicals Requested
09/19/2012 - Medicals Done
12/11/2012 - Medicals Finalised
12/14/2012 - Visa Grant
03/18/2013 - Flight to Adelaide
04/22/2013 - Got my first Job
Posts: 87Member
Joined: Mar 24, 2012
TELECOMMUNICATIONS ENGINEER (263311)
03.10.2012 - IELTS exam (IDP)
03.23.2012 - IELTS Results (L:7.5 R:7.5 W: 7.5 S: 7.5)
04.17.2012 - Lodged CDR
09.07.2012 - Received successful assessment EA
09.09.2012 - Submitted EOI - 190
09.13.2012 - Submitted SS (SA)
10.08.2012 - Submitted EOI - 189
10.14.2012 - Received invite (189)
10.15.2012 - Lodged 189 Visa
10.16.2012 - DIAC Acknowledgment
10.22.2012 - PCC
10.24.2012 - Medical
11.03.2012 - CO Allocation; Adelaide Team 6 CC
11.13.2012 - Visa Granted! (God is good all the time!)
Posts: 692Member
Joined: Jul 18, 2012
the thing is, september 2013 pa kame balak magpakasal...ano ba ang maganda namin gawin?! e
October 6, 2012 - Passed IELTS - Academic (W 6 S 6 L 8 R 7 OBS 7.0) pwde na yan!
October 16, 2012 - Submitted CDR to EA
February 27, 2013 - Received Favorable letter from EA (Mechanical Engineer - ANZSCO 233512) Thank you Lord!
March 8, 2013 - Applied WA SS
March 25, 2013 - Received Letter for WA SS (delaying/maximising 28 days; waiting for civil wedding)
May 31, 2013 - Submitted Visa Application (with everything; PCC Saudi, NBI, Marriage certificate, etc)
July 11, 2013 - CO Assigned / Team 7 Adelaide
August 17, 2013 - Done with the Medicals
September 4, 2013 - Visa Grant (Subclass 190 / ANZCO233515 - Mechanical Engineer) Thank you Lord! / IED August 23, 2014
August 8, 2014 - Flight to Oz, No turning Back, This is it!
May 2015 - End of relationship
June 2015 - Wife found new partner (aussie)
October 2015 - Wife filed for divorce (That cunt)
January 2016 - Divorced
August 2018 - Lodged Citizenship
March 2019 - Sit in Citizenship Exam/Interview
May 2019 - Citizenship Ceremony
June 2019 - Au Passport received
Posts: 123Member
Joined: Sep 29, 2012
Jan 2014 - IED
Thank you Lord
Posts: 293Member
Joined: Jan 08, 2012
Occupation: Surveyor (ANZSCO 232212)
07.01.12 - IELTS - British Council - L8.5 R7.0 W9.0 S7.5 OBS 8.0
15.12.13 - Invited for 189 (Skilled Independent) Visa
25.12.13 - Lodged 189 Visa
02.02.14 - CO Allocated Adelaide GSM Team 07
15.05.14 - Visa Grant - Change of Team (Adelaide Team 6)
27.10.14 - Initial Entry (Perth)
16.03.19 - RRV (Return Resident Visa) Subclass 155 - applied and granted automatically!
25.09.19 - Applied 309/100 Partner Visa for wife
08.12.20 - Wife 309 Visa Approved!
Food is a weapon. And there nothing better than danggit. Ask my Aussie housemates.