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Posts: 5,037Member, De-activated
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1. It depends on your assessing authority.. for Engrs Australia, IELTS is a requirement.
2. please refer to the thread about secondary applicant's English language requirement:
http://www.pinoyau.info/discussion/828/adding-secondary-applicants-marriedde-factoengaged/p1
3. First check if you really need the Partner's skills (5pts), if you have more than 60pts (as primary), then you dont need Partner's skills assessment..
http://www.pinoyau.info/discussion/903/eoi-skillselect-point-test-table#Item_3
Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company..
Posts: 9Member
Joined: Jan 21, 2013
06 April 2013 - IELTS Written Exam (General Training)
08 April 2013 - IELTS Speaking Exam (General Training)
22 April 2013 - IELTS Result (L-9.0 R-7.0 W-7.0 S-8.0 OBS-8.0)
May 2013 - Preparing Assessment Docs / CDR
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
2. Dapat po ba mag-IELTS din ang wife ko? - pwede hindi as long as you can produce a document that states that the education of your partner was done in English
3. If ako yung main applicant, ako lng ba ang mgppa-assess ng skills or pati wife ko? - no need to have your partner do a skills assessment (ako secondary applicant and I did not get any skills assessment) - however if you want to claim points from your partner then kailangan ng skills assessment ng secondary applicant. Check Booklet 6 for more details on this.
Hope this helps!
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 1,684Member
Joined: Jan 13, 2013
9 January 2013 Received Favorable Response from EA
18 January 2013 Lodged EOI Application via SkillSelect
21 January 2013 Received Invitation to Apply for Visa Subclass 189
26 January 2013 Lodged Visa Application
18 March 2013 CO Allocated, Team 34 Brisbane
14 May 2013 Submitted Form 815
23 May 2013 Submitted updated Form 815 with new passport details
03 June 2013 VISA Grant! Thank you Jesus
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 1,684Member
Joined: Jan 13, 2013
No need ipaphotocopy and ipa CTC? All we need is to scan all documents in color and ito na po ang iaattach namin sa visa application?
9 January 2013 Received Favorable Response from EA
18 January 2013 Lodged EOI Application via SkillSelect
21 January 2013 Received Invitation to Apply for Visa Subclass 189
26 January 2013 Lodged Visa Application
18 March 2013 CO Allocated, Team 34 Brisbane
14 May 2013 Submitted Form 815
23 May 2013 Submitted updated Form 815 with new passport details
03 June 2013 VISA Grant! Thank you Jesus
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
If you can scan it in full color - no need to pay for CTC; if otherwise, no choice but to pay for CTC.
Okey?!
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 1,684Member
Joined: Jan 13, 2013
9 January 2013 Received Favorable Response from EA
18 January 2013 Lodged EOI Application via SkillSelect
21 January 2013 Received Invitation to Apply for Visa Subclass 189
26 January 2013 Lodged Visa Application
18 March 2013 CO Allocated, Team 34 Brisbane
14 May 2013 Submitted Form 815
23 May 2013 Submitted updated Form 815 with new passport details
03 June 2013 VISA Grant! Thank you Jesus
Posts: 9Member
Joined: Jan 21, 2013
06 April 2013 - IELTS Written Exam (General Training)
08 April 2013 - IELTS Speaking Exam (General Training)
22 April 2013 - IELTS Result (L-9.0 R-7.0 W-7.0 S-8.0 OBS-8.0)
May 2013 - Preparing Assessment Docs / CDR
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 1,684Member
Joined: Jan 13, 2013
nicheck ko po mga documents namin, yung mga ITR hindi po kasi sya colored eh. naka black and white lang. pano po yun? need ko pa ipa CTC?
9 January 2013 Received Favorable Response from EA
18 January 2013 Lodged EOI Application via SkillSelect
21 January 2013 Received Invitation to Apply for Visa Subclass 189
26 January 2013 Lodged Visa Application
18 March 2013 CO Allocated, Team 34 Brisbane
14 May 2013 Submitted Form 815
23 May 2013 Submitted updated Form 815 with new passport details
03 June 2013 VISA Grant! Thank you Jesus
Posts: 5,037Member, De-activated
Joined: Feb 23, 2012
please check/read or post relevant questions there..
goodluck..
Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company..
Posts: 5,037Member, De-activated
Joined: Feb 23, 2012
but my signature is original and may original stamp din ng company namin.. so that makes it an original page.. kaya hindi ko na rin pina CTC..
also, please keep in mind na ang ITR is not really a requirement.. normally hinihingi lang yan ng CO, to verify additional proof of employment lalo na kung wlang payslip.. so kung may COE w/ salary, tapos may payslip naman kayo.. okay na po yun..
pero kung pwede nyo na rin isama ang ITR nyo.. para wala ng question ang CO..
Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company..
Posts: 1,684Member
Joined: Jan 13, 2013
9 January 2013 Received Favorable Response from EA
18 January 2013 Lodged EOI Application via SkillSelect
21 January 2013 Received Invitation to Apply for Visa Subclass 189
26 January 2013 Lodged Visa Application
18 March 2013 CO Allocated, Team 34 Brisbane
14 May 2013 Submitted Form 815
23 May 2013 Submitted updated Form 815 with new passport details
03 June 2013 VISA Grant! Thank you Jesus
Posts: 27Member
Joined: Mar 28, 2012
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 1,684Member
Joined: Jan 13, 2013
nicheck ko ulit ang ITRs namin, wala syang colored stamp ng company ni hubby.
Although, yung signature ni hubby eh original nman po.
Pwede pa rin ba itong docs na hindi na namin ipa CTC? Kahit Black and White lang sya and signature lang ni hubby ang colored?
9 January 2013 Received Favorable Response from EA
18 January 2013 Lodged EOI Application via SkillSelect
21 January 2013 Received Invitation to Apply for Visa Subclass 189
26 January 2013 Lodged Visa Application
18 March 2013 CO Allocated, Team 34 Brisbane
14 May 2013 Submitted Form 815
23 May 2013 Submitted updated Form 815 with new passport details
03 June 2013 VISA Grant! Thank you Jesus
Posts: 73Member
Joined: Oct 11, 2012
June 17, 2010 - Applied for CPAA assessment
Sept. 30, 2010 - Favorable CPAA assessment
June 11, 2011 - IELTS exam
June 25, 2011 - IELTS result (L-7.5, R-7.5, W-6.5, S-7)
Nov. 20, 2012 - Submitted EOI
Nov. 22, 2012 - Applied WA State Sponsorship
Dec. 7, 2012 - Received WA SS approval
Dec 8, 2012 - Signed WA SS agreement
Dec. 11, 2012 - Received DIAC invitation to apply for visa 190
Dec. 18, 2012 - Lodged visa 190
Jan. 17, 2013 - Received email from CO
Feb. 08, 2013 - Visa grant
IED Jan. 03, 2014
Thank you Lord..
Posts: 1,684Member
Joined: Jan 13, 2013
9 January 2013 Received Favorable Response from EA
18 January 2013 Lodged EOI Application via SkillSelect
21 January 2013 Received Invitation to Apply for Visa Subclass 189
26 January 2013 Lodged Visa Application
18 March 2013 CO Allocated, Team 34 Brisbane
14 May 2013 Submitted Form 815
23 May 2013 Submitted updated Form 815 with new passport details
03 June 2013 VISA Grant! Thank you Jesus
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
My thoughts lang, lodging a visa cost a lot of money... Magka CTC will probably be Php150 at most - just invest on the Php150 for peace of mind I would say IF you are in doubts...
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 1,684Member
Joined: Jan 13, 2013
9 January 2013 Received Favorable Response from EA
18 January 2013 Lodged EOI Application via SkillSelect
21 January 2013 Received Invitation to Apply for Visa Subclass 189
26 January 2013 Lodged Visa Application
18 March 2013 CO Allocated, Team 34 Brisbane
14 May 2013 Submitted Form 815
23 May 2013 Submitted updated Form 815 with new passport details
03 June 2013 VISA Grant! Thank you Jesus
Posts: 451Member
Joined: Jul 05, 2011
Good luck and God bless sa mga nag-pprocess
ACS, IELTS and Visa 175 Timeline
28/07/2011 - Submitted ACS Online Application
28/09/2011 - ACS Result: Group A
08/10/2011 - IELTS Exam
21/10/2011 - IELTS Result: L&R-8.5; W&S-7; OB-8
22/11/2011 - Submitted Online Application
05/05/2012 - CO Requested Additional Documents
31/05/2012 - Submitted requested documents
02/06/2012 - Visa Grant! Thank you Lord.
05/2013 - Off to Sydney ^_^
For the detailed timeline, check it here: Journey to the Land Down Under
My personal blog: Kathleen's Daily Musings
Posts: 5,037Member, De-activated
Joined: Feb 23, 2012
For Visa 189/489: from the 3000 visa invitations last Dec 17 2012.. approx 1000 are with EOI 60 pts.
For Visa 190: we all know that, once approved with SS, you will receive an automatic visa invitation.
You can check the details of each invitation cycle in this SkillSelect report:
http://www.immi.gov.au/skills/skillselect/index/reports/report-2012-12-17/
Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company..
Posts: 4,336Member
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
Primary Applicant: Wife
Accountant (General): 221111
04 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module)
07 Aug 2012 - IELTS (Academic Module) Speaking Part
17 Aug 2012 - IELTS Results (L: 8.5 R: 8.5 W: 7.0 S: 7.5 OBS: 8.0)
24 Aug 2012 - CPAA Submitted (docs mailed same day via SG EMS)
25 Sep 2012 - Received +Skills Assessment from CPAA
25 Sep 2012 - Lodged EOI Application with 70pts
30 Sep 2012 - Invited by DIAC to apply for 189 Visa
01 Oct 2012 - Submitted 189 Visa Application
20 Oct 2012 - Medical Examinations
23 Oct 2012 - CO Assigned; Team 7 - SA
05 Nov 2012 - Submitted SG PCC and NBI Clearance
06 Nov 2012 - Visa Granted (IED: 23/10/2013)
03 Apr 2013 - Flight to MEL
03 Jun 2013 - started work
12 Jun 2013 - wife started work
15 Jun 2016 - applied for citizenship
29 Jul 2016 - citizenship examination
20 Oct 2016 - Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi Oi Oi!!
Posts: 451Member
Joined: Jul 05, 2011
ACS, IELTS and Visa 175 Timeline
28/07/2011 - Submitted ACS Online Application
28/09/2011 - ACS Result: Group A
08/10/2011 - IELTS Exam
21/10/2011 - IELTS Result: L&R-8.5; W&S-7; OB-8
22/11/2011 - Submitted Online Application
05/05/2012 - CO Requested Additional Documents
31/05/2012 - Submitted requested documents
02/06/2012 - Visa Grant! Thank you Lord.
05/2013 - Off to Sydney ^_^
For the detailed timeline, check it here: Journey to the Land Down Under
My personal blog: Kathleen's Daily Musings
Posts: 738Member
Joined: Aug 07, 2012
Skilled Migration (261112 Systems Analyst)
November 20, 2013 - Visa Grant (IED: July 22, 2014)
April 19, 2014 - Arrived in Melbourne
May 2, 2014 - Job offer
May 7, 2014 - First day of work
It is only through GOD that we can achieve success..
Posts: 10Member
Joined: Jan 28, 2013
Newbie here, ito ang pinakaunang post ko
I am currently in the process of preparing for my SkillSelect (Skilled Independent) application and balak ko na mag-take ng IELTS exam and magpa-assess sa Engineers Australia for Electronics Engineer.
BSECE ako from PLM, >10 years work experience as Product/Test Engineer sa semicon...
May tanong lang sana ako, nung nire-review ko yung SkillSelect Booklet6... yung section ng "Points for Educational Qualifications - bachelor qualification, awarded by an overseas educational institution of a recognised standard".
Covered ba sya ng assessment ng Engineers Australia? Kapag ba na-assess ng EA na equivalent to Professional Engineer yung qualifications ko, considered na rin na "recognised standard" yung Bachelors degree ko from PLM, and pwede kong i-claim yung Points for Educational Qualifications?
Salamat po sa sasagot and looking forward to meeting new friends here!
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1) standard assessment for your qualification (600AUD), they will provide the result whether your PLM degree is comparable to AU Degree (which you can claim 15pts), or if it is comparable to AU diploma (which you can claim only 10pts). Only your result can tell wether it is degree or diploma level.. but you can ask someone from the same school with the same degree, kung anung result sa kanila.. please check "Engineers Corner" thread.
2) Additional assessment for your work experience (250AUD) - they will provide opinion on how many years of your work experience are related to your nominated occupation.. which will also be the basis for claiming points for your work experience..
Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company..
Posts: 10Member
Joined: Jan 28, 2013
sige check ko yung "Engineers Corner"
Salamat!
Posts: 5,037Member, De-activated
Joined: Feb 23, 2012
download EA migration booklet.. nandun lahat ng information na kailangan mo..
goodluck!
Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company..